Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

ugh “submit a post” not “submit a list”

Regardless someone who really appreciates conciseness as one of the finer skills in writing a want to gouge my eyes out.

violence aimed at my community belittled and handwaved

wait ... so, it actually doesn't matter to you that over 100 people a year get shot in my community? Some on purpose, some because they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Hmmm... sounds belittling and handwavey to me.

sigh. this is how it's gonna go down, huh? ok. this is how it's gonna go down.

this is how it always fucking happens. somebody is shitty and inappropriate to me and other people say, kate, no, you're not wrong, that other person is being shitty and inappropriate to you, and i don't accept it. i apologize, i conciliate, i exculpate. and i think, you know, maybe if i do that, maybe if i'm _kind_ and _respectful_ and display _empathy_ instead of behaving like the angry, cruel, sarcastic _man_ i was raised to be, you know, people can learn, people can grow.

gyac, you've learned nothing. no, no. worse than that. you've learned the _wrong thing_. you were shitty to me and i fell on my fucking sword and you apparently felt like that was some kind of vindication and now you're doing that shit to someone else. and as usual, _that_ and only _that_ is where i draw the line.

the way you talked to me was inappropriate and wrong. the way you are talking to sarahell is inappropriate and wrong. i'm saying this for the record, i don't know of any way to say it that you'll fucking _listen_ to. that's up to you, and you're not, no matter how much i hoped you would, no matter how much i wanted you to, you won't. fine. you're being shitty, and i'm not apologizing at all, but i was wrong to not call you out on it more directly earlier. it wouldn't have made a difference as far as you're concerned either way, but maybe i might actually start to respect myself if i practiced holding people accountable when they're shitty to me.

anyway, whatever else is gonna go down is gonna go down, i'm gonna head over to the trans march and try to not get heat stroke or anything.

Take water! Seriously. Be careful. Heat stroke is scary so be safe but enjoy.

The shooting was in an affluent suburb of Chicago and the person lives in LA, so ... idk, is that "their community"? I wasn't tone policing said poster. I was saying "stop shit-talking about another poster" and then you of course got involved.

― sarahell, Saturday, 15 July 2023
21:36 (twenty-one minutes ago) link

I think you're talking about me. My parents live 10 minutes from the shooting and one of my mother's friends had a child shot that day so yes it is my community. That said, I had a conversation with table offline that resolved it. And I offered to do the same with you. So if you don't want to discuss, fine, but for the record I do have ties to Highland Park.

Thank you felicity for clarifying that. I am glad you and table resolved the conflict. That was actually the only thing I wanted tbh.

The reason why you aren't repeatedly called out on your shitty behavior is because people are legit intimated and afraid of you, gyac. They don't want to be targeted by you. They want to have a pleasant experience discussing things on a message board ... as a respite from the bullshit of life.

― sarahell, Saturday, July 15, 2023

completely agree with this

same

it doesn’t matter whether u love prisons or not, because the true prison is ur online persona — bob marley

Pretty bummed Foucault never got to enjoy the internet.

How had we got this far with a take no prisoners joke

no one has changed their dn to "Prison-Lover Keyes" yet ...

though tbh that just makes me want to listen the 3rd Big Star album ... this is ilx, I can say that, yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTQeKESR_AA

I can be rude. I can be aggressive.

You can also be interesting, funny and charming when talking about, e.g., baseball. We all contain multitudes.

I am always surprised (although at this point in my life I shouldn't be) how relatively small communities of relatively like-minded people can get into these contretemps that end up being meaningless in the long run.

everything is meaningless in the long run -- albert einstein

With a powerful enough telescope.

Can't we just despair?

already doing that 24/7

It was a good post. And yes, I think what is a bit rude from erm Northern Euros is taken as often worse by Americans. Not sure why that is

I found the same thing when I was living in Latin America. Things that we Americans think are innocuous are sometimes taken quite amiss by others. We were often viewed as far too direct.

issue goes beyond any perceived rudeness.

it's also kinda awkward to be written about / analyzed in the way that people do with fictional characters and music when I am a person who posts here?

mods: idk what you should do exactly but ... help? imo that discussion happened on 77 for a reason, and the thread in which it happened was locked for a reason...

― sarahell, Tuesday, July 18, 2023 10:35 AM bookmarkflaglink

I would prefer not to have where I live and whether I am part of this or that "community" debated on here as well. But you know, nobody's perfect.

Noted

unapologetically

issue goes beyond any perceived rudeness.

True, it often results in cultural bafflement/misunderstanding.

in addition to cultural differences, I think there are "I have hung with this person irl" differences in the way posts are read

If you, felicity, would prefer to have those posts deleted or redacted, that is eminently reasonable. Would you like to make the request of the mods, or shall I?

Perhaps gyac could make the request as she was the one who specifically referred to you first?

Apparently sarahell and I were both at the same wedding of another ILXor, which is part of what made this sort of baffling to me in the first place.

Anyway, no need to bother mods. I think this is a good one to let go, or whatever the kids are saying these days.

"Heroes" indeed

Pantera suck.

Tbh you could say that itt and might not meet resistance

haha, i didn't want to bum anyone out on there!

but apparently i still needed to get the thought out somewhere...

because yeah kid creole is no joke, but you clarified and i think u all correct.

jk no idea what u refer to here. the mysteries of the PYHSTAADNTP thread continue

i was listening to kid creole earlier today on the hi-fi! I, Too, Have Seen The Woods from 1987. on vinyl. sounded nice. very dense.

these “anti city” country songs seem to express jealousy of city people.. like “we do things a little different round here”, uh no you dumbass you’re doing the same stupid white people shit you’ve been doing forever.

no no no YOU'RE the one who is insecure ya city-slicker! Why don't you just relax a bit and leave your big city job, return to your home town for christmas, reconnect with an old fling that never left, put on a matching sweater and fall in love and leave all that city business behind!

Try that in a small public toilet

you couldn't release Bob Roberts now because it's milder than the real stuff it's supposed to be satirising.

Camaraderie, one of the central features of our current cultural moment is that reality surpassed satire in approximately 1999.

Satirists cannot conjure up absurdity as fast as the world produces it. You can't do satire in a world where actual events are more absurd than a satirist can think of.

Then reality (not content with its victory over satire) decided to press the accelerator in 2015, and hasn't looked back.

This is part of why everyone loves to say SNL isn't funny anymore (kids, offa my lawn; old man yells at cloud, etc.)

These murderers should be in jail. Those other ones should be released.

Complain and complain and complain and complain and complain

the next bob roberts would probably be someone more like tom macdonald (the alt right rapper) though presumably much more talented and better groomed

hopefully not ye

i took that personally for a minute but blame booze

maybe when trump is in jail and desantis has given up, the gop will settle for lil dicky in 2024

probably big dick energy is required for success tho

sometimes reading this and other threads i get the feeling that there's an enormous class gulf on ilx that some posters are not even remotely aware of