It's So Noisy at the Fair: The Diabetic Thread

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Hm the hospital specialist mentioned nothing aside from gastro issues same as metformin? :/

I read some claim about suicidal ideation but it was literally one case, which could be anything really.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 08:47 (seven months ago) link

Three-month reading of 5.7, exactly the same as my last one in March. I was hoping to creep down a bit more, but that's okay. I'll continue with Metformin--I was going to ask about some of the drugs mentioned here, but with no problems, I can't see any reason to.

clemenza, Thursday, 20 July 2023 05:32 (seven months ago) link

And with my doctor, the faster I can get in and out, the better.

clemenza, Thursday, 20 July 2023 05:33 (seven months ago) link

If you're at 5.7 on metformin only, that's the dream.

I had a lazy 6 months and mine went back up to 6.5, even with the Jardiance, so there's apparently a threshold to how careless you can be with your diet. I have to be a little more mindful than I've been lately.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 20 July 2023 15:07 (seven months ago) link

i’m the same as clemenza, metformin only & holding at 5.7

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 July 2023 15:20 (seven months ago) link

Just did my first Ozempic injection. I'm not even sure I did it right , I carefully did all the steps as the clinic showed me. Was a bit more painful than I thought - I've never had to jab myself before.

Now I am just hoping I dont get the hideous pukearama that many ppl apparently do. Fingers crossed!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 31 July 2023 11:26 (seven months ago) link

good luck trayce! crossing fingers for u

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 31 July 2023 14:52 (seven months ago) link

Actual injections? I'd be terrible at that. As I posted above--one of the reasons I only do home-testing every other week now--it routinely takes me three tries to get the finger-prick right. "Sample too small" comes back all the time, even though, to my mind, the sample is clearly not too small.

clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2023 15:41 (seven months ago) link

Yeah actual injections, though at least its a pen all ready-dosed so you're not using a syringe, but still owwie.

this morning I definitely feel completely unhungry, but thankfuly no nausea.

Speaking of finger prick testing, damn the accuchek is shit. I get an error inserting almost every strip and have to retry multiple times. I also bought another brand tester, but I've got used to the Accuchek's nice app.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 31 July 2023 22:38 (seven months ago) link

i haven’t had any problems w my fingerprick setup, except remembering to adjust the needle depth to get better blood flow depending on which finger i stick, since thumb & index have thicker skin

i do it most mornings except sometimes i skip weekends because i get tired of doing it lol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 31 July 2023 23:15 (seven months ago) link

Getting pushed into taking a semaglutide (esp because I’m fat, and weight loss always seems like any doctor’s #1 concern) is what’s putting me off going and getting tested for diabetes. Some of the side effects sound brutal (and chronic, even after you stop taking it). As soon as I heard gastroparesis was a potential side effect, I was like HELL no. I’d rather be fat.

― just1n3, Tuesday, July 18, 2023 3:26 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hm the hospital specialist mentioned nothing aside from gastro issues same as metformin? :/

I read some claim about suicidal ideation but it was literally one case, which could be anything really.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, July 18, 2023 4:47 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

if this is helpful… gastroparesis is not quite a side effect as much as an intended effect. hopefully any doctor who recommends trying this would explain that nausea and early satiety should be expected, particularly with larger meals. suicidal ideation I have not heard of and per quick review does not seem to be something that has been widely reported

k3vin k., Monday, 31 July 2023 23:43 (seven months ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/27/will-the-ozempic-era-change-how-we-think-about-being-fat-and-being-thin

I’m sure you all have read this, but if not…I thought this was a pretty good lay perspective on ozempic and related drugs (though this is more focused on treatment of obesity, or “obesity”)

k3vin k., Monday, 31 July 2023 23:46 (seven months ago) link

Yeah Ive done a lot of reading and I mean I'm not taking this thing for weight loss (I only need to lose about 10kg anyway). It seems ppl who overeat/eat v large meals might be the ones who suffer, and thats def not me - esp since I started having GERD issues. I just cant eat that much food!

The big one for me is gonna be forcing myself to exercise more and by more, I mean AT ALL. Since WFH, Ive become utterly sedentary and a real shut in. I'm lucky if I leave the house at all twice a week let alone walk anywhere much and I have to change that. I was never an active person, but I always walked everywhere.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 01:17 (six months ago) link

I have started exercising — I walk around a little bit every day, but now I'm also working with resistance bands (basically a giant rubber band with handgrips on each end) and periodically glancing in the direction of a kettlebell that sits accusingly in the closet.

I'm going to be switching from Toujeo to Lantus this week, because that's what my insurance will pay for, and my doctor wants me to increase my dose of Metformin from 1000 mg in the morning to 1000 in the morning and 1000 in the evening, which is what he says most of his patients take. Gonna be interesting to see how that goes.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 01:30 (six months ago) link

1000 x 2/day has been my dosage since I started it, no problems.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 01:32 (six months ago) link

If the ozempic doesnt shift me from stubbornly staying around 6-7, I might have to do the same. Well with my GP's say so of course.

After my earlier post I did a post prandial 10 min fast lunch walk, which Ive read is a great way to use the body to chew up the excess glucose. I'm going to start doing that after every lunch if I can manage it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 03:44 (six months ago) link

Weird side effect from ozempic I wasnt expecting - alcohol does not agree with me AT ALL. I was only able to manage 3 stadard drinks and then I felt really off/nauseous. And apparently its A Thing!

It might be temporary who knows, and I'm thankful Ive had no nausea aside from that. I spose its a good thing, anyway.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:35 (six months ago) link

only 3 lol <3

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:38 (six months ago) link

hahah shaddup :) My average drinking sesh is 5-6 :P

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:39 (six months ago) link

My friend has a similar reaction from metformin, so he stops taking it a day or two before drinking.

nickn, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 23:33 (six months ago) link

That...does not seem wise. Luckily metfo doesnt do that to me. And I mean I need to drink way less anyways. But I'd like to be able to go ham at least one day on the weekend with 5 or 6 drinks yeesh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 03:09 (six months ago) link

I basically quite drinking at 30, when I got into teachers college, so happily that hasn't been an issue for me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 03:36 (six months ago) link

Ugh, having what I assume is a pseudohypo episode today. Hands are shaking and feel irrationally crabby and quite confused, and I'm used to this feeling - Ive had low blood sugar episodes all my life (without being diabetic before, how that works ive no idea).

Checked my glucose - 5.0 not low at all? lol. I guess maybe the ozempic is fully kicking in?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 3 August 2023 02:55 (six months ago) link

This is a story up here...not trying to be alarmist, just informational; I'm sure stories like this appear regularly. (The CBC is a good news source, for what that's worth.)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/health-canada-review-diabetes-weight-loss-1.6921759

clemenza, Thursday, 3 August 2023 06:13 (six months ago) link

I wonder how many of those are due to people who were using it for weight loss and not getting results or had other terrible issues with dysmorphia. I mean I'm not a doctor so who knows.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 3 August 2023 06:22 (six months ago) link

Don't know, and ditto. I've got the news on in the background, looked it up after that.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 August 2023 06:48 (six months ago) link

Have not yet doubled my metformin dose but started the new insulin last night and my morning number was significantly lower than the previous day, almost in worrisome territory. We'll see if this holds.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 3 August 2023 13:04 (six months ago) link

My numbers are staying down too, 3 tests in lst 24 hours all around 5! But I havent pushed it by eating anything bad yet so we'll see.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 4 August 2023 01:06 (six months ago) link

I finally went to the dr today to get the initial testing done. The driving force for finally going was a symptom that only trayce and veg will understand iykyk :/

I looked up my last tests from 2020
A1c 5.8
EAG 120
Fasting glucose 130

just1n3, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 05:21 (six months ago) link

Those results are good - fingers crossed they still are! Though then that leaves you wondering what else it could be :(

I'm struggling a bit on the ozempic - it definitely helps the sugars but I'm having a lot of heartburn, have to really watch what I eat (its like having a mild stomach stapling!), and (and I dont know if this is due to the shot) I now have constant really bad aching joints. Like, I always did anyway but it feels worse lately.

And pain in my kidney/upper ab area flared up the other day and now I'm worried my kidney is still spacking out on me uugggh. I have an ultrasound next week, and I'm not "sick", just feel very old and creaky. This sucks.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:45 (six months ago) link

ugh that sounds rough Trayce. it sucks to have to grapple with side effects on top of everything else. sending hugs

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 August 2023 00:54 (six months ago) link

Got my results
A1c 11.5, good cholesterol too low, bad cholesterol too high, elevated liver enzymes

Dr said at that level, it’s really only ozempic or insulin. However, it’s $1000 a month unless I convince my insurer that ozempic is my only option.

The good news is that what I thought was depression the last few years is probably diabetes.

just1n3, Thursday, 10 August 2023 00:58 (six months ago) link

urg sorry justin3
hopefully you can work something out & get back into safer territory

i didn’t know that depression & diabetes shared symptoms? or maybe more likely i’m not up on everything t2 entails

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 August 2023 01:05 (six months ago) link

Sorry about that, but I'm sure you'll find this thread helpful and encouraging.

I was 5.7 at home tonight. I was more nervous doing this one than I have been in many months. First one in 15 days, and it just feels like I've been slacking off a bit--meeting up with friends, eating out, barbecuing, etc. When I cheat, I always tell myself I'll make up for it tomorrow, but I don't always follow through. Anyway, still steady in the 5.0-6.0 range.

clemenza, Thursday, 10 August 2023 02:36 (six months ago) link

Dr said at that level, it’s really only ozempic or insulin.

When I was first diagnosed, my A1C was crazy high (13). I did insulin & metformin for a few months until it was back under control, and then my dr switched me to Jardiance & metformin.

If you go on insulin, it may only be temporary if you respond well to it.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 10 August 2023 03:57 (six months ago) link

Welp, last night my bf had a really bad hypo attack. Its weird - he's never had one before, often been cheeky with not eating/having booze, never any repercussions. His fingerprick test dropped from 3 to 2 despite chowing on lollies and sugar water, he was a shaky sweaty delirious mess. Anyway we couldnt get it to get better. Ambulance came, they couldnt either, so they have taken him to hospital. I couldnt go with cos the kids are here today, but fuckn yay. I am hoping he'll be ok I havent heard from him yet.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:39 (six months ago) link

My dad (who was Type 1) used to chug orange juice when he had an attack like that.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:42 (six months ago) link

yeah the irony is due to us both being beetusy, all the drinks in the house are sugar free lol. The ambos said thats a common thing when they attend hypos.

But I tried everything else my limited knowledge knew - cups of sugar water, a handful of glucose gummy bears, a bit of bread. It was weird it didnt budge the numbers one bit. Now I'm worried.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:45 (six months ago) link

shit trayce - sending good thoughts, that’s so scary!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:46 (six months ago) link

...I spoke too soon he just txted me, his bloods have bounced back now (too far the other way haha, stands to reason with what we did).

No more drinking sessions on empty tummies!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:48 (six months ago) link

My sister deals with the same thing quite often - I really worry about her passing out while she’s alone. But she also has Graves’ disease which complicates things. Is your bf on insulin or something else?

I messaged my sis to tell her about my diagnosis and that I was getting on ozempic and she had never heard of it - odd, because she’s been diabetic since age 12 AND she’s a big fan of the kardashians. I explained what it was and that it was either that or insulin and she was like “avoid insulin at all costs”.

Anyway I spoke with my PA today and she went to bat for me and got ozempic approved with my insurer.

just1n3, Friday, 11 August 2023 01:14 (six months ago) link

Thats good news J I hope it will work well for you!

B ended up being overnight in hospo but is better now aside from a cold it seems he picked up while in there.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 13 August 2023 09:26 (six months ago) link

can recommend this as a good pasta option if like me you fucking DESPISE all the chickpea/lentil/nonsense pastas

https://www.aldentepasta.com/shop/carba-nada.html

eats very close to normal pasta, if slightly firmer & you can eat a pretty decent helping of it
24g net carbs, 16g protein - semolina flour, egg yolks, wheat protein etc

readily available here in Sac at at least two large grocery chains

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:08 (six months ago) link

terrible name though lol ugh

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:08 (six months ago) link

I saw yr FB post about it hehe. I thought we were ok to eat pasta in modest quantities as long as balanced with aprotein? I thought rice was the no no.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:54 (six months ago) link

Actually looking at its ingredients I think thats precisely why it works! It seems to have boosted protein :)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:55 (six months ago) link

Lol veg, ignore my Instagram comment, now I’ve seen the answer!

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 06:20 (six months ago) link

Rice and beans/lentils form a complete protein iirc?

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 06:21 (six months ago) link

Yeah when I do have rice I make sure its basmati and i eat it with chickpeas, lentils, eggs, tofu or chicken anyway.

I used to eat PILES of rice though. I'm training myself to go "a couple of spoonfuls is ENOUGH dammit".

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 07:05 (six months ago) link

Xp to veg, re depression symptoms:

So for about the 3.5yrs I’ve been feeling like I have what I call “benign depression” - like, emotionally I feel fine but my body is just so tired and mentally I’ve felt sort of shut down, like I can’t engage with anything too thoughtful or deep. Until I moved to chicago, I spent literally all my time in bed, unless I had to go to work. Sitting on the couch was too taxing. Things improved after moving (I move from bed to couch at night, I go grocery shopping, I go out on the weekends) but the fatigue is still there, I just feel a bit more motivated to push through it. But dr thinks it might be diabetes causing it. I hope that’s the case because I’ve been putting off having to mess with my psych meds again (a super slooooow and frustrating process).

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 23:12 (six months ago) link


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