Noted
― sarahell, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:03 (nine months ago) link
unapologetically
― felicity, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:04 (nine months ago) link
issue goes beyond any perceived rudeness.
True, it often results in cultural bafflement/misunderstanding.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:05 (nine months ago) link
in addition to cultural differences, I think there are "I have hung with this person irl" differences in the way posts are read
― New No-No Bettencourt (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:09 (nine months ago) link
If you, felicity, would prefer to have those posts deleted or redacted, that is eminently reasonable. Would you like to make the request of the mods, or shall I?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:11 (nine months ago) link
Perhaps gyac could make the request as she was the one who specifically referred to you first?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:13 (nine months ago) link
Apparently sarahell and I were both at the same wedding of another ILXor, which is part of what made this sort of baffling to me in the first place.
Anyway, no need to bother mods. I think this is a good one to let go, or whatever the kids are saying these days.
― felicity, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 03:54 (nine months ago) link
"Heroes" indeed
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 July 2023 21:08 (nine months ago) link
Pantera suck.
― scott seward, Monday, 24 July 2023 00:22 (nine months ago) link
Tbh you could say that itt and might not meet resistance
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 July 2023 01:10 (nine months ago) link
haha, i didn't want to bum anyone out on there!
― scott seward, Monday, 24 July 2023 01:17 (nine months ago) link
but apparently i still needed to get the thought out somewhere...
because yeah kid creole is no joke, but you clarified and i think u all correct.
jk no idea what u refer to here. the mysteries of the PYHSTAADNTP thread continue
― toenail fungus (Hunt3r), Monday, 24 July 2023 01:30 (nine months ago) link
i was listening to kid creole earlier today on the hi-fi! I, Too, Have Seen The Woods from 1987. on vinyl. sounded nice. very dense.
― scott seward, Monday, 24 July 2023 01:47 (nine months ago) link
these “anti city” country songs seem to express jealousy of city people.. like “we do things a little different round here”, uh no you dumbass you’re doing the same stupid white people shit you’ve been doing forever.
― brimstead, Monday, 24 July 2023 15:02 (nine months ago) link
no no no YOU'RE the one who is insecure ya city-slicker! Why don't you just relax a bit and leave your big city job, return to your home town for christmas, reconnect with an old fling that never left, put on a matching sweater and fall in love and leave all that city business behind!
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Monday, 24 July 2023 15:12 (nine months ago) link
Try that in a small public toilet
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 July 2023 15:13 (nine months ago) link
you couldn't release Bob Roberts now because it's milder than the real stuff it's supposed to be satirising.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 July 2023 15:14 (nine months ago) link
Camaraderie, one of the central features of our current cultural moment is that reality surpassed satire in approximately 1999.
Satirists cannot conjure up absurdity as fast as the world produces it. You can't do satire in a world where actual events are more absurd than a satirist can think of.
Then reality (not content with its victory over satire) decided to press the accelerator in 2015, and hasn't looked back.
This is part of why everyone loves to say SNL isn't funny anymore (kids, offa my lawn; old man yells at cloud, etc.)
― Some people call me Maurice Chevalier (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 24 July 2023 15:31 (nine months ago) link
These murderers should be in jail. Those other ones should be released.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 July 2023 15:35 (nine months ago) link
Complain and complain and complain and complain and complain
― Let's talk about local tomatoes (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 July 2023 16:11 (nine months ago) link
the next bob roberts would probably be someone more like tom macdonald (the alt right rapper) though presumably much more talented and better groomed
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 24 July 2023 19:33 (nine months ago) link
hopefully not ye
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 24 July 2023 19:35 (nine months ago) link
i took that personally for a minute but blame booze
― Let's talk about local tomatoes (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 July 2023 19:55 (nine months ago) link
maybe when trump is in jail and desantis has given up, the gop will settle for lil dicky in 2024
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 July 2023 21:28 (nine months ago) link
probably big dick energy is required for success tho
― sarahell, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 18:30 (nine months ago) link
sometimes reading this and other threads i get the feeling that there's an enormous class gulf on ilx that some posters are not even remotely aware of
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 21:49 (nine months ago) link
what posts in particular give you that idea (I'm sure there is a gulf on ILX just as there is in any other online place)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 21:53 (nine months ago) link
if i'm not mistaken, everyone on ilx makes at least 100k + bennies.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 22:41 (nine months ago) link
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 22:54 (nine months ago) link
what is your average yearly income (after taxes)?
― c u (crüt), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 23:03 (nine months ago) link
Wish I could make over 100k and still post on a messaging board regularly
― hrep (H.P), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 23:30 (nine months ago) link
Hell, I’d even settle for 50k
I’m kidding, I don’t actually wish that and am very happy with my current financial position (besides wanting some more money to trade in my motorbike for a proper car, we’ll get there)
― hrep (H.P), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 23:31 (nine months ago) link
i mean not to get to the very nub of it by asking in the most gauche terms possible but if by class divide do we really just mean spending money baby?
id imagine lots of ilxors have changed class through their 20s, 30s or whatever decades they have been posting on the site if so
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 23:37 (nine months ago) link
when i look at the menu, i'm like "the prices don't matter to me, i could pay for all of the items together if i wanted", but i don't want to eat that much food so i'll just have the toast and a bottomless mug, please
― z_tbd, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 23:56 (nine months ago) link
xp yeah i was thinking abt this this morning. i feel a very strong sense of anger about class system from both uk and us ilxors, but i think they’re talking about different things. class is much more fluid in usa i think
speaking for myseld, i make over 10x as much as i did when i started posting ($6.25/hr min wage)
― the late great, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:09 (nine months ago) link
this is to say i think when usa ilxors talk abt class they are talking abt wealth, which i don’t think is actually anything like an actual class system (with peerage etc)
― the late great, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:11 (nine months ago) link
otm
There used to be an idea of "old money vs. new money," but I don't think that's as prevalent any more.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:12 (nine months ago) link
I think Old vs. New probably still exists, but I don't circulate in those rarefied airs
Wasn't that Trump's whole insecure beef with the East Coast establishment? That he was considered trash from Queens and never invited to parties in the Hamptons, etc.
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:16 (nine months ago) link
i mean that exists now where i live in california. because of rising property values locals whose families own homes become old money, meanwhile ppl moving here from other places might be wealthy but their money doesn’t go as far because they’re not already settled and trying to buy into a crazy market. not to mention the craziness our prop 13 property tax system creates
but that’s pretty different than “you own an estate in malibu forever if you’re duke of santa monica”
― the late great, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:17 (nine months ago) link
class is much more fluid in usa i think
It's not easy to pull together data to resolve this question, because a good study requires reliable data spanning multiple generations of individuals and their offspring, and census data about such economic matters is anonymized at the individual level. But the one study I've read about concluded that mobility between economic classes in the USA is fairly stagnant and not much different than the UK. What fluidity there is in the USA seems less about actual economic and social mobility than our having more laxity and latitude in our social attitudes about class.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:28 (nine months ago) link
i mean much more than spending $
the impulse to swoop in and swat the problem away is part of what makes it annoying
― budo jeru, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:28 (nine months ago) link
the latter part of that post is v unclear to me tbh
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:30 (nine months ago) link
Add: The GI Bill probably did more for class mobility than any other event in US history.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:30 (nine months ago) link
class is interesting, the difference between what "class" means in UK / US could be an interesting discussion
what's annoying is to say "you're not talking about class, you're talking about wealth" when i didn't even specify what i was referring to
― budo jeru, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:32 (nine months ago) link
thank you aimless for referencing one (1) study which i will take with one (1) grain of salt
― the late great, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:35 (nine months ago) link
i’m already discouraged from looking into it further because of the issues you described so we’ll agree that because the question is too difficult to resolve i’m not wrong and you’re not right
― the late great, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:36 (nine months ago) link
I would assume most people are talking about wealth tbh … I mean we can discuss Bourdieu and cultural capital but that is less politically relevant nowadays and is closer to rolling hipster studies
― sarahell, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:37 (nine months ago) link
I don't know a whole lot about the UK class system, but it's almost 'caste' related, yeah? Like, you might be a wealthy footballer or rock musician but we can still hear your accent and you're not fooling anyone
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 27 July 2023 00:40 (nine months ago) link