Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

issue goes beyond any perceived rudeness.

True, it often results in cultural bafflement/misunderstanding.

in addition to cultural differences, I think there are "I have hung with this person irl" differences in the way posts are read

If you, felicity, would prefer to have those posts deleted or redacted, that is eminently reasonable. Would you like to make the request of the mods, or shall I?

Perhaps gyac could make the request as she was the one who specifically referred to you first?

Apparently sarahell and I were both at the same wedding of another ILXor, which is part of what made this sort of baffling to me in the first place.

Anyway, no need to bother mods. I think this is a good one to let go, or whatever the kids are saying these days.

"Heroes" indeed

Pantera suck.

Tbh you could say that itt and might not meet resistance

haha, i didn't want to bum anyone out on there!

but apparently i still needed to get the thought out somewhere...

because yeah kid creole is no joke, but you clarified and i think u all correct.

jk no idea what u refer to here. the mysteries of the PYHSTAADNTP thread continue

i was listening to kid creole earlier today on the hi-fi! I, Too, Have Seen The Woods from 1987. on vinyl. sounded nice. very dense.

these “anti city” country songs seem to express jealousy of city people.. like “we do things a little different round here”, uh no you dumbass you’re doing the same stupid white people shit you’ve been doing forever.

no no no YOU'RE the one who is insecure ya city-slicker! Why don't you just relax a bit and leave your big city job, return to your home town for christmas, reconnect with an old fling that never left, put on a matching sweater and fall in love and leave all that city business behind!

Try that in a small public toilet

you couldn't release Bob Roberts now because it's milder than the real stuff it's supposed to be satirising.

Camaraderie, one of the central features of our current cultural moment is that reality surpassed satire in approximately 1999.

Satirists cannot conjure up absurdity as fast as the world produces it. You can't do satire in a world where actual events are more absurd than a satirist can think of.

Then reality (not content with its victory over satire) decided to press the accelerator in 2015, and hasn't looked back.

This is part of why everyone loves to say SNL isn't funny anymore (kids, offa my lawn; old man yells at cloud, etc.)

These murderers should be in jail. Those other ones should be released.

Complain and complain and complain and complain and complain

the next bob roberts would probably be someone more like tom macdonald (the alt right rapper) though presumably much more talented and better groomed

hopefully not ye

i took that personally for a minute but blame booze

maybe when trump is in jail and desantis has given up, the gop will settle for lil dicky in 2024

probably big dick energy is required for success tho

sometimes reading this and other threads i get the feeling that there's an enormous class gulf on ilx that some posters are not even remotely aware of

what posts in particular give you that idea (I'm sure there is a gulf on ILX just as there is in any other online place)

if i'm not mistaken, everyone on ilx makes at least 100k + bennies.

sometimes reading this and other threads i get the feeling that there's an enormous class gulf on ilx that some posters are not even remotely aware of

what is your average yearly income (after taxes)?

Wish I could make over 100k and still post on a messaging board regularly

Hell, I’d even settle for 50k

I’m kidding, I don’t actually wish that and am very happy with my current financial position (besides wanting some more money to trade in my motorbike for a proper car, we’ll get there)

i mean not to get to the very nub of it by asking in the most gauche terms possible but if by class divide do we really just mean spending money baby?

id imagine lots of ilxors have changed class through their 20s, 30s or whatever decades they have been posting on the site if so

when i look at the menu, i'm like "the prices don't matter to me, i could pay for all of the items together if i wanted", but i don't want to eat that much food so i'll just have the toast and a bottomless mug, please

xp yeah i was thinking abt this this morning. i feel a very strong sense of anger about class system from both uk and us ilxors, but i think they’re talking about different things. class is much more fluid in usa i think

speaking for myseld, i make over 10x as much as i did when i started posting ($6.25/hr min wage)

this is to say i think when usa ilxors talk abt class they are talking abt wealth, which i don’t think is actually anything like an actual class system (with peerage etc)

otm

There used to be an idea of "old money vs. new money," but I don't think that's as prevalent any more.

I think Old vs. New probably still exists, but I don't circulate in those rarefied airs

Wasn't that Trump's whole insecure beef with the East Coast establishment? That he was considered trash from Queens and never invited to parties in the Hamptons, etc.

i mean that exists now where i live in california. because of rising property values locals whose families own homes become old money, meanwhile ppl moving here from other places might be wealthy but their money doesn’t go as far because they’re not already settled and trying to buy into a crazy market. not to mention the craziness our prop 13 property tax system creates

but that’s pretty different than “you own an estate in malibu forever if you’re duke of santa monica”

class is much more fluid in usa i think

It's not easy to pull together data to resolve this question, because a good study requires reliable data spanning multiple generations of individuals and their offspring, and census data about such economic matters is anonymized at the individual level. But the one study I've read about concluded that mobility between economic classes in the USA is fairly stagnant and not much different than the UK. What fluidity there is in the USA seems less about actual economic and social mobility than our having more laxity and latitude in our social attitudes about class.

i mean much more than spending $

the impulse to swoop in and swat the problem away is part of what makes it annoying

the latter part of that post is v unclear to me tbh

Add: The GI Bill probably did more for class mobility than any other event in US history.

class is interesting, the difference between what "class" means in UK / US could be an interesting discussion

what's annoying is to say "you're not talking about class, you're talking about wealth" when i didn't even specify what i was referring to

thank you aimless for referencing one (1) study which i will take with one (1) grain of salt

i’m already discouraged from looking into it further because of the issues you described so we’ll agree that because the question is too difficult to resolve i’m not wrong and you’re not right

I would assume most people are talking about wealth tbh … I mean we can discuss Bourdieu and cultural capital but that is less politically relevant nowadays and is closer to rolling hipster studies

I don't know a whole lot about the UK class system, but it's almost 'caste' related, yeah? Like, you might be a wealthy footballer or rock musician but we can still hear your accent and you're not fooling anyone

i must have missed where anybody told anybody else they were talking about anything tbh but in defence of whomever stands accused there you're kinda half posting what you mean tbf

now tbf tbf this is ofc the exact thread for that and no onus accrues etc

It’s the 21st century, when does class not mean wealth? I am obviously a few galaxies away from these circles, but I would imagine the multi-millionaire soccer player is not quite concerned about not having the invite to the Hampton, nor am I sure they’re not even getting invitations? If there’s no power in class divide aside from wealth, is there really class divide? Obviously royal families/major political figures are the exception.