It's So Noisy at the Fair: The Diabetic Thread

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I have started exercising — I walk around a little bit every day, but now I'm also working with resistance bands (basically a giant rubber band with handgrips on each end) and periodically glancing in the direction of a kettlebell that sits accusingly in the closet.

I'm going to be switching from Toujeo to Lantus this week, because that's what my insurance will pay for, and my doctor wants me to increase my dose of Metformin from 1000 mg in the morning to 1000 in the morning and 1000 in the evening, which is what he says most of his patients take. Gonna be interesting to see how that goes.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 01:30 (eleven months ago) link

1000 x 2/day has been my dosage since I started it, no problems.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 01:32 (eleven months ago) link

If the ozempic doesnt shift me from stubbornly staying around 6-7, I might have to do the same. Well with my GP's say so of course.

After my earlier post I did a post prandial 10 min fast lunch walk, which Ive read is a great way to use the body to chew up the excess glucose. I'm going to start doing that after every lunch if I can manage it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 03:44 (eleven months ago) link

Weird side effect from ozempic I wasnt expecting - alcohol does not agree with me AT ALL. I was only able to manage 3 stadard drinks and then I felt really off/nauseous. And apparently its A Thing!

It might be temporary who knows, and I'm thankful Ive had no nausea aside from that. I spose its a good thing, anyway.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:35 (eleven months ago) link

only 3 lol <3

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:38 (eleven months ago) link

hahah shaddup :) My average drinking sesh is 5-6 :P

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 22:39 (eleven months ago) link

My friend has a similar reaction from metformin, so he stops taking it a day or two before drinking.

nickn, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 23:33 (eleven months ago) link

That...does not seem wise. Luckily metfo doesnt do that to me. And I mean I need to drink way less anyways. But I'd like to be able to go ham at least one day on the weekend with 5 or 6 drinks yeesh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 03:09 (eleven months ago) link

I basically quite drinking at 30, when I got into teachers college, so happily that hasn't been an issue for me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 03:36 (eleven months ago) link

Ugh, having what I assume is a pseudohypo episode today. Hands are shaking and feel irrationally crabby and quite confused, and I'm used to this feeling - Ive had low blood sugar episodes all my life (without being diabetic before, how that works ive no idea).

Checked my glucose - 5.0 not low at all? lol. I guess maybe the ozempic is fully kicking in?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 3 August 2023 02:55 (eleven months ago) link

This is a story up here...not trying to be alarmist, just informational; I'm sure stories like this appear regularly. (The CBC is a good news source, for what that's worth.)

clemenza, Thursday, 3 August 2023 06:13 (eleven months ago) link

I wonder how many of those are due to people who were using it for weight loss and not getting results or had other terrible issues with dysmorphia. I mean I'm not a doctor so who knows.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 3 August 2023 06:22 (eleven months ago) link

Don't know, and ditto. I've got the news on in the background, looked it up after that.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 August 2023 06:48 (eleven months ago) link

Have not yet doubled my metformin dose but started the new insulin last night and my morning number was significantly lower than the previous day, almost in worrisome territory. We'll see if this holds.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 3 August 2023 13:04 (eleven months ago) link

My numbers are staying down too, 3 tests in lst 24 hours all around 5! But I havent pushed it by eating anything bad yet so we'll see.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 4 August 2023 01:06 (eleven months ago) link

I finally went to the dr today to get the initial testing done. The driving force for finally going was a symptom that only trayce and veg will understand iykyk :/

I looked up my last tests from 2020
A1c 5.8
EAG 120
Fasting glucose 130

just1n3, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 05:21 (eleven months ago) link

Those results are good - fingers crossed they still are! Though then that leaves you wondering what else it could be :(

I'm struggling a bit on the ozempic - it definitely helps the sugars but I'm having a lot of heartburn, have to really watch what I eat (its like having a mild stomach stapling!), and (and I dont know if this is due to the shot) I now have constant really bad aching joints. Like, I always did anyway but it feels worse lately.

And pain in my kidney/upper ab area flared up the other day and now I'm worried my kidney is still spacking out on me uugggh. I have an ultrasound next week, and I'm not "sick", just feel very old and creaky. This sucks.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:45 (eleven months ago) link

ugh that sounds rough Trayce. it sucks to have to grapple with side effects on top of everything else. sending hugs

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 August 2023 00:54 (eleven months ago) link

Got my results
A1c 11.5, good cholesterol too low, bad cholesterol too high, elevated liver enzymes

Dr said at that level, it’s really only ozempic or insulin. However, it’s $1000 a month unless I convince my insurer that ozempic is my only option.

The good news is that what I thought was depression the last few years is probably diabetes.

just1n3, Thursday, 10 August 2023 00:58 (eleven months ago) link

urg sorry justin3
hopefully you can work something out & get back into safer territory

i didn’t know that depression & diabetes shared symptoms? or maybe more likely i’m not up on everything t2 entails

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 August 2023 01:05 (eleven months ago) link

Sorry about that, but I'm sure you'll find this thread helpful and encouraging.

I was 5.7 at home tonight. I was more nervous doing this one than I have been in many months. First one in 15 days, and it just feels like I've been slacking off a bit--meeting up with friends, eating out, barbecuing, etc. When I cheat, I always tell myself I'll make up for it tomorrow, but I don't always follow through. Anyway, still steady in the 5.0-6.0 range.

clemenza, Thursday, 10 August 2023 02:36 (eleven months ago) link

Dr said at that level, it’s really only ozempic or insulin.

When I was first diagnosed, my A1C was crazy high (13). I did insulin & metformin for a few months until it was back under control, and then my dr switched me to Jardiance & metformin.

If you go on insulin, it may only be temporary if you respond well to it.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 10 August 2023 03:57 (eleven months ago) link

Welp, last night my bf had a really bad hypo attack. Its weird - he's never had one before, often been cheeky with not eating/having booze, never any repercussions. His fingerprick test dropped from 3 to 2 despite chowing on lollies and sugar water, he was a shaky sweaty delirious mess. Anyway we couldnt get it to get better. Ambulance came, they couldnt either, so they have taken him to hospital. I couldnt go with cos the kids are here today, but fuckn yay. I am hoping he'll be ok I havent heard from him yet.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:39 (eleven months ago) link

My dad (who was Type 1) used to chug orange juice when he had an attack like that.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:42 (eleven months ago) link

yeah the irony is due to us both being beetusy, all the drinks in the house are sugar free lol. The ambos said thats a common thing when they attend hypos.

But I tried everything else my limited knowledge knew - cups of sugar water, a handful of glucose gummy bears, a bit of bread. It was weird it didnt budge the numbers one bit. Now I'm worried.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:45 (eleven months ago) link

shit trayce - sending good thoughts, that’s so scary!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:46 (eleven months ago) link

...I spoke too soon he just txted me, his bloods have bounced back now (too far the other way haha, stands to reason with what we did).

No more drinking sessions on empty tummies!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 11 August 2023 00:48 (eleven months ago) link

My sister deals with the same thing quite often - I really worry about her passing out while she’s alone. But she also has Graves’ disease which complicates things. Is your bf on insulin or something else?

I messaged my sis to tell her about my diagnosis and that I was getting on ozempic and she had never heard of it - odd, because she’s been diabetic since age 12 AND she’s a big fan of the kardashians. I explained what it was and that it was either that or insulin and she was like “avoid insulin at all costs”.

Anyway I spoke with my PA today and she went to bat for me and got ozempic approved with my insurer.

just1n3, Friday, 11 August 2023 01:14 (eleven months ago) link

Thats good news J I hope it will work well for you!

B ended up being overnight in hospo but is better now aside from a cold it seems he picked up while in there.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 13 August 2023 09:26 (eleven months ago) link

can recommend this as a good pasta option if like me you fucking DESPISE all the chickpea/lentil/nonsense pastas

eats very close to normal pasta, if slightly firmer & you can eat a pretty decent helping of it
24g net carbs, 16g protein - semolina flour, egg yolks, wheat protein etc

readily available here in Sac at at least two large grocery chains

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:08 (eleven months ago) link

terrible name though lol ugh

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:08 (eleven months ago) link

I saw yr FB post about it hehe. I thought we were ok to eat pasta in modest quantities as long as balanced with aprotein? I thought rice was the no no.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:54 (eleven months ago) link

Actually looking at its ingredients I think thats precisely why it works! It seems to have boosted protein :)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:55 (eleven months ago) link

Lol veg, ignore my Instagram comment, now I’ve seen the answer!

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 06:20 (eleven months ago) link

Rice and beans/lentils form a complete protein iirc?

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 06:21 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah when I do have rice I make sure its basmati and i eat it with chickpeas, lentils, eggs, tofu or chicken anyway.

I used to eat PILES of rice though. I'm training myself to go "a couple of spoonfuls is ENOUGH dammit".

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 07:05 (eleven months ago) link

Xp to veg, re depression symptoms:

So for about the 3.5yrs I’ve been feeling like I have what I call “benign depression” - like, emotionally I feel fine but my body is just so tired and mentally I’ve felt sort of shut down, like I can’t engage with anything too thoughtful or deep. Until I moved to chicago, I spent literally all my time in bed, unless I had to go to work. Sitting on the couch was too taxing. Things improved after moving (I move from bed to couch at night, I go grocery shopping, I go out on the weekends) but the fatigue is still there, I just feel a bit more motivated to push through it. But dr thinks it might be diabetes causing it. I hope that’s the case because I’ve been putting off having to mess with my psych meds again (a super slooooow and frustrating process).

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 23:12 (eleven months ago) link

oh ok that’s interesting!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 23:22 (eleven months ago) link


I saw a thing online yesterday that might make you happy - when you cook and then cool rice, it creates resistant starch, which lowers its glycemic index quite significantly. So if you want to keep enjoying rice, just cook it the day before you want to eat it! (You can reheat it, it doesn’t reverse the process). Apparently this also goes for potatoes and some other starches I can’t remember.

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:09 (ten months ago) link

I started ozempic a week ago. No side effects at this dose. It really does switch off the food noise in your head. I have a terrible addiction to sweet drinks and I was really stressed about the process of quitting but I was immediately able to cut down to half a can of coke a day (that’s mostly for the headache I get every day from quitting the caffeine in coke).

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:18 (ten months ago) link

Look for some sugar-free iced tea if you can:

That's Canadian, but you might be able to get something similar. No sugar, no carbohydrates, no calories.

That's great about the rice--will try that.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:33 (ten months ago) link

(Oops--the photo is of the regular, not the sugar-free.)

clemenza, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:34 (ten months ago) link


The cooling / reheating rice thing also works for dried pasta, fwiw. For both, you'll obvs get the best effects the more you rinse and drain the excess starches.

Usually stick to ILM and didn't realize there was a Diabetes thread on here.

Tried Ozempic not long after it hit the market-- I have a cousin who's pretty high-up at Novo Nordisk. Attempted to titrate up to the minimum therapeutic dose, but I ended up doing only 50% of that dose every other week-- so, essentially, 1/4 of what was the established clinical minimum effective dose-- and it made me so violently ill and nauseous that I contacted my Endo to discontinue after 8 weeks. Dropped 14 lbs, and my blood sugar was never over 110.

So, it *worked*, but the cost to quality of life and overall health did not make it worth it for me. Godspeed to folks who can tolerate it well, though.

jon_oh, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:34 (ten months ago) link

I drink SO MUCH unsweetened iced tea. Pure Leaf is my favorite but Gold Peak is pretty good too.

read-only (unperson), Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:52 (ten months ago) link

I’m not American so the cold tea thing is unpalatable to me. I love sweet and milky English breakfast in winter but I use Lakanto for that because it tastes exactly like real sugar - I absolutely hate the taste of artificial sweeteners and stevia.

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:58 (ten months ago) link

many x-posts

I didn't really like brown rice either, but I found that cooking it in an instapot pressure cooker (rather than my regular rice cooker) significantly improved the taste. YMMV obv.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:25 (ten months ago) link

B-b-but what about cauliflower rice?

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:37 (ten months ago) link

it’s good but i think i’d rather just eat chunks of cauliflower

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:48 (ten months ago) link

Justine I'm so glad the ozempic's been ok for you so far!
I'm still on the 0.25 dose and my guts seem to be settling down. Wether that's because I'm intentionally cautious with portion control now I'm not sure. My sugars arent quite as under control as I'd like but I'm speaking to the diabetes clinic again on tuesday and they might just tell me to up the metformin (I'm only taking 1000mg)

Yes I'd read about the cooled carbs/resistant starch thing too! As it happens I often eat rice after its been cooked and fridged anyway, so thats good. I guess I could try Doongara rice too but I do like basmati the most.

B is fine now after his weird hypo incident and we really dont know why that happened. I mean the cause was there (booze after no food all day) but hes done that before to no ill effect? OH well. Bodies , hey.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:25 (ten months ago) link

glad he’s ok Trayce - scary thing to happen!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:32 (ten months ago) link

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