Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

Are you allowed to run for president if you're in jail?

yes

It's not only allowed, it's encouraged.

But ex-cons aren't allowed to vote?

gonna be the first President to conduct a meeting with heads of state while shitting in an open cell

"I don't want a max prison, I want SUPERmax, I demand it!"

Apparently Rudy also has a minor role as "indicted co-conspirator 1."

But ex-cons aren't allowed to vote?

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length)

depends on the state

Most states deprive convicted felons of many of their civil rights, including the right to vote. These rights are usually restored upon release, unless you have the misfortune to live in a state like Florida, which in an example of its endless fuckery won't restore them until the felon pays court costs, restitution, etc.

A felony conviction is no bar to running for President of the United States. The Senate could have convicted Trump in the second impeachment and prohibited from ever running for federal office again. Short of that, he'd have to be found to have engaged in rebellion.

that's the trick, you have to stay convicted, then you can do whatever you want. once you stop being convicted is the problem

Apparently Rudy also has a minor role as "indicted co-conspirator 1."

John Eastman as well... he was the architect of the 'bully Pence' theory

thats just common sense tho

"You're too honest."

— What Trump told Pence on Jan. 1, after the then-VP said he had no constitutional authority to reject or return votes to the states, according to the indictment. https://t.co/zqADs0guFJ pic.twitter.com/swWZ9uWG9G

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) August 1, 2023

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2UxuJxWEAIi7sU?format=jpg&name=medium

feeling happy for the eric clapton looking liberal guy again.

As a west coaster, Rehoboth Beach sounds very Lovecraftian to me

He is truly fucked...unless he wins the next election.

Jack Smith speaks:

Smith: The attack on our nation's capital on January 6th was an unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy. It's described in the indictment. It was fueled by lies. Lies by the defendant, targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the U.S. Government pic.twitter.com/wj685DpKIy

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 1, 2023

Feel like I've seen Smith in a bunch of B movies as a prolific yet respected character actor

Trump is scheduled to appear at the Washington, DC, federal courthouse at 4 p.m. ET on Thursday.

Will that be his first return to DC since losing?

if it's what you say i love it

https://i.imgur.com/9LrGF7T.jpg

Feel like I've seen Smith in a bunch of B movies as a prolific yet respected character actor

Wasn't he the EPA guy in Ghostbusters?

Dud.

Ooooohhhhhh he went there

“Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” Pence said in a statement.

Considering the guy reportedly took notes, and no doubt said notes had a big impact on this indictment, I guess that loser has nowhere else to go.

Feel like I've seen Smith in a bunch of B movies as a prolific yet respected character actor

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, August 1, 2023 6:25 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

for a while when he was first announced this was the photo they kept using and when i saw it i thought: yeah, this might actually go somewhere. this guy looks like a motherfucker out of central casting.

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/221210021157-jack-smith-special-counsel-2020-file.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_270,w_480,c_fill

I always see Haywire from Prison Break.

Rehoboth is nice, Andy.

I see "preacher who is visited by Benson and Stabler that knows more about what happened than he lets on"

Super weird how the right sees Jack Smith as some sort of a "bedraggled nervous wreck, dripping with anger and highly emotional," and not a stone cold legal killer.

Trey Gowdy was their idea of a stone cold legal killer, so...

Rehoboth/Dewey has been one of my family's go-to family gathering spots for decades, it's nice in a classic Atlantic Seaboard way.

Also whatever happens with this I'm so glad he got outright charged for Jan. 6 — good! Any fuckin thing we can do to make anyone think twice about doing that again.

Meanwhile Yglesias is SURPRISED that some of the people in the White House were actually ACTING like they were trying to steal an election.

WTF did he think they were doing?

This reveals a more serious level of real planning for a seizure of power than I’d guessed was happening. pic.twitter.com/k9o0pxl8v8

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 1, 2023

(I know, dunking on Yglesias should be confined to the Yglesias thread. My bad.)

I was always a big fan of Bethany beach.

I think the part about this that various people are reacting to is that they were planning to use the military to enforce the overturned election.

Andy the Grasshopper at 6:10 1 Aug 23

As a west coaster, Rehoboth Beach sounds very Lovecraftian to me

I spent a few summers down in those parts, it was nice.

(well, weeks spread out among a few summers)

Also: I feel like the revelation of these goons wanting to use the military isn’t that surprising. Fascists are fascist.

The more surprising thing was how resistant the military was to it. At least the senior leadership. Not the kind of thing I take for granted. But of course, Trump spent his entire term trashing them, so they probably weren’t feeling very coup-y.

you have to lay the groundwork for this sort of thing you cant just call up the army last minute all like what are you doing right now, the police wouldve been a better choice anyway

extremely poor plan altogether, staging a coup was a tall order anyway, stealing an election on the other hand is doable under the right circumstances, i wouldve focused on that

I was thinking of Nixon’s Saturday Night Massacre and how it took him so many tries to find someone who’d fire the prosecutor

Trump ended up with a parallel problem, fired any guy who showed a spine at any point at all. Can’t really coup when everyone in your circle is either spineless or a pure opportunist. Or Pence. Pence was just there because he wanted to be VP despite having the least swag since Dan Quayle

It was all very half-assed, like everything Trump does. Coup on the cheap. Good point about the cops, that's definitely more his base than the military (or at least than the senior military, there's inevitably fascists in the ranks).

good (LONG) breakdown thread here
if you are into other ppl reading long legal indictments for u like I very much am

lemme see what we got.

— fooler initiative (@metroadlib) August 1, 2023

“Rehoboth/Dewey has been one of my family's go-to family gathering spots for decades, it's nice in a classic Atlantic Seaboard way.”

It’s wonderful. I’ve been there a bunch and spent a long, mellow weekend in Dewey back in April. For people in this area it’s kind of the chilled out version of Ocean City, Maryland.

Is this where we're talking about this?

Okay Rehoboth is gays and lesbians (per my daughter at 13: "yay! SO gay!") plus families with kids. Dewey is 20somethings who drink beer. Bethany is families with kids. Ocean City is basically nonstop Spring Break.

I have a few thoughts about Cape May and northward, and Virginia Beach and southward, but I will hold those in reserve for now.

I mean if we’re going to have this conversation, I submit that most beachy locales in the mid-Atlantic are kind of disgusting, and that good beaches only begin Virginia Beach and south and Connecticut and north.