It's So Noisy at the Fair: The Diabetic Thread

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My sister deals with the same thing quite often - I really worry about her passing out while she’s alone. But she also has Graves’ disease which complicates things. Is your bf on insulin or something else?

I messaged my sis to tell her about my diagnosis and that I was getting on ozempic and she had never heard of it - odd, because she’s been diabetic since age 12 AND she’s a big fan of the kardashians. I explained what it was and that it was either that or insulin and she was like “avoid insulin at all costs”.

Anyway I spoke with my PA today and she went to bat for me and got ozempic approved with my insurer.

just1n3, Friday, 11 August 2023 01:14 (eight months ago) link

Thats good news J I hope it will work well for you!

B ended up being overnight in hospo but is better now aside from a cold it seems he picked up while in there.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 13 August 2023 09:26 (eight months ago) link

can recommend this as a good pasta option if like me you fucking DESPISE all the chickpea/lentil/nonsense pastas

https://www.aldentepasta.com/shop/carba-nada.html

eats very close to normal pasta, if slightly firmer & you can eat a pretty decent helping of it
24g net carbs, 16g protein - semolina flour, egg yolks, wheat protein etc

readily available here in Sac at at least two large grocery chains

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:08 (eight months ago) link

terrible name though lol ugh

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:08 (eight months ago) link

I saw yr FB post about it hehe. I thought we were ok to eat pasta in modest quantities as long as balanced with aprotein? I thought rice was the no no.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:54 (eight months ago) link

Actually looking at its ingredients I think thats precisely why it works! It seems to have boosted protein :)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 04:55 (eight months ago) link

Lol veg, ignore my Instagram comment, now I’ve seen the answer!

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 06:20 (eight months ago) link

Rice and beans/lentils form a complete protein iirc?

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 06:21 (eight months ago) link

Yeah when I do have rice I make sure its basmati and i eat it with chickpeas, lentils, eggs, tofu or chicken anyway.

I used to eat PILES of rice though. I'm training myself to go "a couple of spoonfuls is ENOUGH dammit".

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 August 2023 07:05 (eight months ago) link

Xp to veg, re depression symptoms:

So for about the 3.5yrs I’ve been feeling like I have what I call “benign depression” - like, emotionally I feel fine but my body is just so tired and mentally I’ve felt sort of shut down, like I can’t engage with anything too thoughtful or deep. Until I moved to chicago, I spent literally all my time in bed, unless I had to go to work. Sitting on the couch was too taxing. Things improved after moving (I move from bed to couch at night, I go grocery shopping, I go out on the weekends) but the fatigue is still there, I just feel a bit more motivated to push through it. But dr thinks it might be diabetes causing it. I hope that’s the case because I’ve been putting off having to mess with my psych meds again (a super slooooow and frustrating process).

just1n3, Monday, 14 August 2023 23:12 (eight months ago) link

oh ok that’s interesting!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 August 2023 23:22 (eight months ago) link

Trayce;

I saw a thing online yesterday that might make you happy - when you cook and then cool rice, it creates resistant starch, which lowers its glycemic index quite significantly. So if you want to keep enjoying rice, just cook it the day before you want to eat it! (You can reheat it, it doesn’t reverse the process). Apparently this also goes for potatoes and some other starches I can’t remember.

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:09 (seven months ago) link

I started ozempic a week ago. No side effects at this dose. It really does switch off the food noise in your head. I have a terrible addiction to sweet drinks and I was really stressed about the process of quitting but I was immediately able to cut down to half a can of coke a day (that’s mostly for the headache I get every day from quitting the caffeine in coke).

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:18 (seven months ago) link

Look for some sugar-free iced tea if you can:

https://assets.shop.loblaws.ca/products/20324399/b1/en/side/20324399_side_a06.png

That's Canadian, but you might be able to get something similar. No sugar, no carbohydrates, no calories.

That's great about the rice--will try that.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:33 (seven months ago) link

(Oops--the photo is of the regular, not the sugar-free.)

clemenza, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:34 (seven months ago) link

x-post

The cooling / reheating rice thing also works for dried pasta, fwiw. For both, you'll obvs get the best effects the more you rinse and drain the excess starches.

Usually stick to ILM and didn't realize there was a Diabetes thread on here.

Tried Ozempic not long after it hit the market-- I have a cousin who's pretty high-up at Novo Nordisk. Attempted to titrate up to the minimum therapeutic dose, but I ended up doing only 50% of that dose every other week-- so, essentially, 1/4 of what was the established clinical minimum effective dose-- and it made me so violently ill and nauseous that I contacted my Endo to discontinue after 8 weeks. Dropped 14 lbs, and my blood sugar was never over 110.

So, it *worked*, but the cost to quality of life and overall health did not make it worth it for me. Godspeed to folks who can tolerate it well, though.

jon_oh, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:34 (seven months ago) link

I drink SO MUCH unsweetened iced tea. Pure Leaf is my favorite but Gold Peak is pretty good too.

read-only (unperson), Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:52 (seven months ago) link

I’m not American so the cold tea thing is unpalatable to me. I love sweet and milky English breakfast in winter but I use Lakanto for that because it tastes exactly like real sugar - I absolutely hate the taste of artificial sweeteners and stevia.

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:58 (seven months ago) link

many x-posts

I didn't really like brown rice either, but I found that cooking it in an instapot pressure cooker (rather than my regular rice cooker) significantly improved the taste. YMMV obv.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:25 (seven months ago) link

B-b-but what about cauliflower rice?

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:37 (seven months ago) link

it’s good but i think i’d rather just eat chunks of cauliflower

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:48 (seven months ago) link

Justine I'm so glad the ozempic's been ok for you so far!
I'm still on the 0.25 dose and my guts seem to be settling down. Wether that's because I'm intentionally cautious with portion control now I'm not sure. My sugars arent quite as under control as I'd like but I'm speaking to the diabetes clinic again on tuesday and they might just tell me to up the metformin (I'm only taking 1000mg)

Yes I'd read about the cooled carbs/resistant starch thing too! As it happens I often eat rice after its been cooked and fridged anyway, so thats good. I guess I could try Doongara rice too but I do like basmati the most.

B is fine now after his weird hypo incident and we really dont know why that happened. I mean the cause was there (booze after no food all day) but hes done that before to no ill effect? OH well. Bodies , hey.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:25 (seven months ago) link

glad he’s ok Trayce - scary thing to happen!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:32 (seven months ago) link

Oh! BTW after your pasta find upthread Veg I went looking and found we have one here too:

https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/medium/117547.jpg

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:43 (seven months ago) link

oh good!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:51 (seven months ago) link

Diabetes humor!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsMqZFvvIxQ

read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 00:23 (seven months ago) link

I bought some Chapman's no-sugar-added ice cream:

https://voila.ca/images-v3/2d92d19c-0354-49c0-8a91-5260ed0bf531/6bb107e2-bd28-4504-9777-4bcf884302c5/500x500.jpg

Does that seem reasonable for someone with Type II (and levels that seem to be stable in the 5.5-6.0 range)?

clemenza, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 01:55 (seven months ago) link

seems like it would be ok! caveat: as long as sugar alcohol doesn’t have an adverse effect on your digestion

i generally avoid myself as they reliably give me anything from bloating/cramps to full on diarrhea

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 02:43 (seven months ago) link

My problem with all the sugarfree/low fat snacks is they all use gross shit like sorbitol or stevia and idc what anyone says I can TELL. I dont like the taste :(

Even monkfruit sugar has a bit of a funny aftertaste.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 05:01 (seven months ago) link

yeah same

the only one i can handle (in small amounts) is erythritol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 05:20 (seven months ago) link

Yeah I think thats the monkfruit one. I can do a flat spoonful in a cuppa thats about it. A good thing anyway, that shiz is pricey!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 06:58 (seven months ago) link

I think maybe I have PTSD from my highschool best friend whose family all guzzled old-school diet coke and ate nothing but nugs.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 06:59 (seven months ago) link

I’m supposed to be testing my fasting blood sugar every morning but the first time I did it, it was 273dl/mg which didn’t seem right, but my monitor didn’t come with any control solution so I couldn’t be sure. The solution finally arrived, the monitor is apparently working correctly, so I tested today and it was 274 :/

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 07:44 (seven months ago) link

Yeah thats quite high :( dont worry, it can go up cos of stress, cos of starchy food... and the meds will take a while, it took me like at least 3 weeks on the metformin.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 10:07 (seven months ago) link

yeah trayce otm - it’s scary at first bc the numbers feel like a judgement or some kind of failure etc but try to remember they’re only data points for a moment in tume, you’re starting to do the things that are needed to help get your #’s down but it can take time. chin up, keep at it

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 14:59 (seven months ago) link

Yeah I guess I knew it would still be high but my diet has been so drastically different the last 3 weeks I thought it wouldn’t be *that* high.

When I googled the number the results were like “that is super bad” but lol I feel the same as I always feel, which is “normal” at this point.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:11 (seven months ago) link

I don't know what that 274 number means...the only one I understand is the finger-prick number.

I tried the ice cream last night--thought it was quite good. I just have to discipline myself to stop after seven or eight spoonfuls.

clemenza, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:20 (seven months ago) link

it's the same test, divide the reading in mg/dl by 18 to convert to mmol/L

k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:41 (seven months ago) link

Meaning 274 = 15.2 for a finger-prick?

clemenza, Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:56 (seven months ago) link

for a blood sugar measurement, yeah

k3vin k., Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:25 (seven months ago) link

Best home-reading in a month, 5.3. I've cheated here and there...these things are very unpredictable.

clemenza, Friday, 1 September 2023 00:41 (seven months ago) link

Past couple days I've felt a little "off" at various points during the day (particularly the morning), and my natural assumption for these situations now is "huh I bet my sugar's low." But then I tested (finger-prick) and it was just fine, so maybe I'm just coming down with a bug.

The instinct to immediately assume every little thing is diabetes-related is something I'm still learning to navigate.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 1 September 2023 01:58 (seven months ago) link

yeah same, the added complications of pms & perimenopause blood sugar spikes & hot flashes & shit is like, ok it could literally be ANYTHING

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 September 2023 02:13 (seven months ago) link

Danish pharma giant Novo Nordisk, who commercializes Wegovy / Ozempic in the US, has reached 300B on the stock exchange, relatively close to the national GDP (380B). The pharmaceutical sector contributes to a third of Denmark's GDP, pushing up the balance of payments and the value of the Danish Krone compared to the euro, thus forcing their central bank to a range of actions to avoid currency inflation. Some commentators are making comparisons to Finland's Nokia in terms of structural importance and impact of hypothetical downfall.

Nabozo, Friday, 1 September 2023 08:10 (seven months ago) link

Ugh I increased my metformin to 1500 last night, and stupidly also decided I'd have a few drinks. This morning I am SO SO NAUSEOUS.

And in more rage enducing news, my Ozempic needs refilling and the local pharmacy has none and says the shortage means its been v low in stock. Worried I wont find any before I need it on monday. Thanks, instabitches.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 7 September 2023 22:12 (seven months ago) link

Shit, all the weirdos looking for miracle cures are now saying Metformin might curb your chances of getting Long Covid if you get Covid, so I hope there's not a run on it making it harder to get.

jfc people wear a fuckin mask and wash your hands!

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 8 September 2023 04:19 (seven months ago) link

Oh, and get vaccinated duh

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 8 September 2023 04:20 (seven months ago) link

The TGA here wont approve off-script use of Ozempic at least (you cant get it for nything but diabeets) but its still hard to get :(

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 8 September 2023 04:25 (seven months ago) link

Feel like I'm really beating myself up/being too hard on myself with all this lately. Vexing over my glucose levels too often, fretting if I eat a spoon of rice or have that extra vodka. I know its not healthy and I am trying to let it stress me less but ugh.

I have been put into this pilot program being run out of Royal Melb Hospital where they are getting onto ppl newly diagnosed with T2, to give them loads of extra support (educators, regular checkups/bloods, dieticians, exercise support etc) with the aim of seeing if intense work + weight loss will put it in remission. I'm greatful for the program - it costs me nothing but the time for the apppointments! - but now I feel this pressure to constantly be Dudley Do-Right as a result :(

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 14 September 2023 07:21 (seven months ago) link

I’ve been really struggling the last couple weeks too. Food has been stressing me out so much, so I’ve been living off protein bars and protein shakes instead of thinking about it. I caught a respiratory virus of some kind and I think that just sapped all my energy. I haven’t had a cold in years and I haven’t had Covid yet (despite jordan bringing it home from Finland last year), so I’d forgotten how miserable it is.

Some good news: I’m down from 274 to 163.

just1n3, Friday, 15 September 2023 12:52 (seven months ago) link


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