Whoa, I saw some Musk tweet the other day about ad revenue and the ADL, and I thought he must mean some other ADL, where the A stood for Advertising.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:00 (eight months ago) link
wow sounds like the adl... controls the media
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:04 (eight months ago) link
I like how Elon's denial of anti-semitism removes all doubt
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:08 (eight months ago) link
The five minute research version:
At least two coalitions, Stop Hate for Profit (which includes the ADL and appears to just have blurbs on the associated groups' websites) and Stop Toxic Twitter (who have their own site which is still live) have run campaigns calling for advertiser boycotts. Reportedly, the ADL started advertising on twitter/X again this year
Unless there's some specific momentum behind the ADL's campaign, which there does not appear to be, it's definitely... at least weird... to specifically call out that group.
― mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:08 (eight months ago) link
thought the same "surely he's not going full Kanye" but nope
shit is idiotic for so many reasons but if this somehow actually does go to trial it seems real easy for the ADL to prove all the ways the platform has gotten more Nazi-friendly
Elon seems to be doing the Trump thing where it's like "well I didn't explicitly say Hitler was right about everything so calling me a Nazi is defamation", seems like a bad PR strategy
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:09 (eight months ago) link
my guess is that someone specifically mentioned the ADL to Elon (for reasons) and he has absolutely no idea who is or isn't boycotting him and is happy to do some casual anti-semitism
― mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:10 (eight months ago) link
ya it's deeply funny that he's calling out one of the few remaining advertisers that actually isn't boycotting him right now
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:14 (eight months ago) link
although I actually question how much of the lost ad revenue is really because of that, when it comes to ad buys it's all about the bottom line and I suspect the real story is just that it's not profitable to advertise on Twitter right now
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:15 (eight months ago) link
this isn't going to trial the intent is to explicitly make anti-semitism a-ok on "x"/Twitter
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:18 (eight months ago) link
This all culminated with Musk announcing he was being forced to sue the ADL “to clear our platform’s name on the matter of anti-Semitism.”
Discussing the defamation suit, Musk claimed the ADL could “potentially be on the hook for destroying half the value of the company, so roughly $22 billion.”
this thought process is amazing
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:18 (eight months ago) link
not remembering who is boycotting you is kind of an object permanence issue, which he's very prone to. you throw one thing in front of him ("the current thing!") and that's all he can think about
he probably didn't think about trans people at all until his kid publicly disowned him and now everything's about that, too
― mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:23 (eight months ago) link
he follows some of the most hatefully wrong people in the world and interacts with them and promotes them every day
― i really like that!! (z_tbd), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:23 (eight months ago) link
imo it really comes down to anti-hate groups saying "you can't do that" to him which he sees as adversarial whereas hate groups are actively saying "they can't do that" which gives him a target for his ire
― mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:25 (eight months ago) link
As is often the case with Musk he claims he positively absolutely isn’t anti-Semitic at all. But self-professed anti-Semites don’t seem to agree.
reminds me of this burn
“Now, I’m not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist, I’m simply saying the racists believe he’s a racist,” Gillum said.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:26 (eight months ago) link
Well, this was enough to make me cancel my account. There was still some good stuff I followed there but fuck it.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:29 (eight months ago) link
^^^^ fuck yeah, that's the right decision
― i really like that!! (z_tbd), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:29 (eight months ago) link
not denying that Elon is a hateful dipshit at heart but this does tie into an issue that's been mentioned a lot on ILX which is that the right doesn't really have the "purity test" that the online left does, nobody really cares about your past or what your views really are, so long as you're currently amplifying hateful voices and pissing off liberals you're cool with them. in other words it's just really easy to get in with the Nazis and when you're desperate for validation I guess it's just real easy to go down that path
see also: the Dilbert guy. not a particularly long slope from "why can't I say anything nice about Trump?" to "stay away from black people"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:30 (eight months ago) link
going after the ADL is kind of low-hanging fruit in that they've claimed some twitter accounts with a large number of followers are anti-semitic for criticizing Israel or expressing anti-zionist sentiment
― mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:40 (eight months ago) link
i've kept my account for a while just so ...why? it's been several months, i have never had a reason to look into my previous likes or to revisit any of my numerous dumb posts.
i'm going full Cow_Art and deleting the account. i hate that i'm contributing a +1 to anything for such a horrible person and such a horrible movement of shitty people who think his poop emoji stuff is hilarious
― i really like that!! (z_tbd), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:53 (eight months ago) link
― frogbs, Tuesday, September 5, 2023 11:15 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
big companies do care a lot if their ads are being served on overtly racist or other unsavory stuff, its not so much the boycotts but the underlying fact that twitter is a shithole, tho the boycotts im sure do draw attention to that, in conclusion the adl has prob lost twitter some advertisers but ultimately thats musks fault
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 15:55 (eight months ago) link
I kind of wish more of the news and legal people I follow were on Blue sky, I suppose it's just a matter of time before they move over.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 16:02 (eight months ago) link
musk made it a priority to let all the accounts banned for racism back on, and you had to be quite racist to get banned, if you have an old banned account and you tell them you were banned for your conservative views theyll unban you right away now, magic words
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 16:02 (eight months ago) link
another thing is Twitter is just massively unstable right now and the timeline is really janky, even if you did still want to advertise there I'd be concenered I was really getting what I was paying for.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 16:06 (eight months ago) link
yeah advertisers have said twitters tools for them are fucked too, and with the api changes a lot of the third party tools stopped supporting twitter, all self inflicted
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 16:08 (eight months ago) link
and theres no one to call anymore
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 16:11 (eight months ago) link
what is the audio version of the poop emoji
― i really like that!! (z_tbd), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 16:13 (eight months ago) link
very cool that this dolt could lose $248 billion USD and still have enough money to last him 200 lifetimes
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:41 (eight months ago) link
once it's out of beta. it's still hard to even get on there. that said I kind of like it. a few journalists I like are there, a couple that irritate me though (ben collins, zack budyrek)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:52 (eight months ago) link
the small population has meant that even though I don't like those guys, I don't see their shit 100x times a day anyway requiring me to mute them
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:53 (eight months ago) link
Phil Lewis (huffpo) seems to be the most active 'journalist' on there (in scare quotes because is huffpo journalism? is what he does journalism?) and luckily he does nothing but post links to stories, he doesn't bloviate on and on about his personal life all day long.
There is a bot set up to auto post BBC news stories.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:55 (eight months ago) link
― mh, Tuesday, September 5, 2023 11:10 AM (six hours ago)
The ADL said as a matter of policy it does not comment on legal threats. But the organization noted it recently met with X leadership, including CEO Linda Yaccarino, who Musk hired to help revive ad revenue. Yaccarino thanked ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt following the meeting last week, saying in a post on X, “A strong and productive partnership is built on good intentions and candor.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/05/tech/elon-musk-adl-lawsuit/index.html
― rob, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 22:11 (eight months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4c8yWYTlE8
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 22:38 (eight months ago) link
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, September 5, 2023 5:41 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
not if he keeps buying websites haha
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 23:29 (eight months ago) link
someone X at him to do Facebook next
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 23:47 (eight months ago) link
how is it still hard to get on bluesky? everyone I know who has heard of it has found an invite or is disinterested
― mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 23:51 (eight months ago) link
bsky-social-mgmtg-4zxptbsky-social-cx2lr-3t6kybsky-social-2tsox-62d4llook how easy it is
― Clay, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 23:58 (eight months ago) link
thank you!
― adam, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 00:31 (eight months ago) link
Reading about Egyptian cassettes, still gd.
60 years ago, today, the compact audio cassette debuted in Berlin. Lou Ottens, a dutch engineer and the head of product development for the Philips factory in Belgium, was behind the invention. But what happened once the #cassette traveled well beyond his hands? 🧵 pic.twitter.com/znrXPs0QYJ— Andrew Simon (@simongandrew) August 30, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 11:51 (eight months ago) link
this was a good thread yes (i am greatly interested in the marc masters book also)
― mark s, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 11:58 (eight months ago) link
so you can't read threads if you're not logged in now?
― crutch of england (ledge), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 12:38 (eight months ago) link
Yes, it's been that way for a while.
― Kim Kimberly, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 12:57 (eight months ago) link
nitter.net is working again as a workaround
― The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 14:14 (eight months ago) link
How low can he go?
Musk is collaborating with Tucker Carlson to promote a discredited, absurd, 15 year old conspiracy theory about Obama. Of course its the @ADL's fault that major corporations don't want to advertise against this kind of content. pic.twitter.com/Nagt5Pj4lm— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) September 7, 2023
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:44 (eight months ago) link
I like in that awful meme the captions from the two biggest dominos form a sentence.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 September 2023 03:38 (eight months ago) link
Lmao yas. I didn’t notice who it was from at first tbh, was just skimming by it and thought it was too dumb to be real, had to be parody. Nope not too dumb for Elmo.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 7 September 2023 03:43 (eight months ago) link
Guess they’re fine with supporting Nazism?
They don't see the Nazism as relevant to their corporate interests, so, yes, they are fine with it because they turn a blind eye to it.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 7 September 2023 03:51 (eight months ago) link
that's just not how the domino meme is supposed to work
― symsymsym, Thursday, 7 September 2023 04:41 (eight months ago) link
jus a few from itt but eg
Twitter C/D
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 7 September 2023 05:35 (eight months ago) link
so helpful, thank you!
― crutch of england (ledge), Thursday, 7 September 2023 05:56 (eight months ago) link
june 2: https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitters-head-brand-safety-ad-quality-decides-leave-wsj-2023-06-02/
today: https://www.theinformation.com/briefings/second-x-brand-safety-head-departs-in-months
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 September 2023 20:25 (eight months ago) link