Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

I don't know if this makes me a bad person, as I have severe issues with the carceral system, but it did me good to read about these vile, racist pieces of shit and how long they're likely to spend in prison for what they've done.

the half serious nature of their endeavor is interesting to me, on the cusp of larping and for real, infused with wishful conspiracy thinking

hmmm interesting that Trump himself was directly encouraging these guys wonder what'll happen to him

lock him up haha (irony)

I don't know how you guys feel, but Tarrio's conviction and incarceration have brought me more pleasure than Trump's indictments.

maybe because Miami has thousands of Tarrio wannabes who may turn to video games and porn for their jollies instead of harassing trans folks and waving flags.

Apparently Tarrio was offered a plea deal (9-11 years) that he passed on.

Before trial, USA offered Proud Boys plea deals, revealed yesterday. They passed. Result:
Offer | Sentence after trial
Tarrio 9-11 yrs| 22 yrs
Nordean 6-8 yrs | 18 yrs
Biggs 6-8 yrs | 17 yrs
Rehl 6-7 yrs | 15 yrs
Pezzola 4-5 yrs | 10 yrs
/1 pic.twitter.com/OGf0CdRipr

— Roger Parloff (@rparloff) September 7, 2023

Art of the Deal baby

I'd insert downer John Oliver rant about plea deals here but ... nah, not this time

they got off easy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5a85mDWcAAR94Q?format=jpg&name=large

What about Gavin? I know he stepped down as leader or whatever but... it's weird to me that he was never even kicked out of the U.S. Does that mean he does a ton of snitching/informing in addition to whatever other garbage he gets up to?

The judge has made a point that he's picking sentences between the gov. requested max and the defense mins mostly (iirc) because he's not embracing the full terrorism scope of the charges, since what these assholes did was nonetheless not quite at the level of driving a U-Haul full of explosives into a government building (essentially judge's opinion). Though metaphorically at least that's exactly what they did, which is why they still got pretty stiff sentences.

My biggest schadenfreude hope is that Pezzola yelling "Trump won!" after crying on the stand and claiming he was no longer political hurts all future Jan. 6 defendants going forward. Not to mention dickholes like Kyle Rittenhouse.

What about Gavin? I know he stepped down as leader or whatever but... it's weird to me that he was never even kicked out of the U.S. Does that mean he does a ton of snitching/informing in addition to whatever other garbage he gets up to?

― dell (del), Thursday, September 7, 2023 9:55 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

just smart enough to not be involved in crimes prob

pretty demonic to rile up the rubes then sit back while theyre imprisoned

but Trump did it, eating popcorn

Wild that Trump is going to cinch the gop nomination while his followers are getting this kind of prison time

Cheesebro getting his arse handed to him by a judge who wasn't even born while he was graduating from Harvard - that seems quite funny.

yea as lagoon mentions the half serious nature of all this makes it more bizarre than your typical political "activism". that AGNB/Channel 5 movie which prominently featured Tarrio didn't really paint them so much as right-wing activists as it did trolls looking for attention and trying to sell T-shirts. kinda like how the purpose of Infowars is mostly to sell vitamin supplements when you really break it down.

could be a cover obviously but Tarrio def strikes me as the kind of guy whose ideal career path pre-Trump might've been something like parlaying an appearance on Jersey Shore into an ugly overpriced clothing brand marketed towards "alpha males"

tarrio wont do 9-11

Tarrio also did federal time for Medicare fraud (resale of diabetic test strips) a decade ago. The guy's worse than a grifter.

trump obviously also said a bunch of encouraging, vague crap but there's no direct link to the idiots who were there, other than speaking to some of them down the road

if he'd actually said to do specific things then maybe they would have! we'll never know. he should be in prison, too

xp yeah, Tarrio also admitted in interviews he had other t-shirt brands selling pro-Biden merch. whether true or not, I have no idea. just an opportunistic asshole

Yeah, there was a lot of that dynamic on view in that HBO (or uh, "MAX"?) QAnon documentary from a couple years ago, where you could see people and groups obviously pushing sinister ideas that were potentially really fucked-up and dangerous, but meanwhile their presentation was at times so trolly or even kitschy that it was occasionally hard to see them as anything beyond journeyman grifters angling for money and attention and who just happened upon MAGA or that particular segment of the culture wars as being fertile ground for their dopey schemes. That said, some of those same people did end up being prosecuted for Jan 6 stuff, so...

if you spend any time looking at right wing media, especially comment threads or call-in shows, the calls for violence are so common that it's probably hard to suss out who is talking shit and who is serious

I mean, we have this historical stereotype (or at least history classes and documentaries have conveyed to me) that revolutionaries and violent political actors are these ideological die-hards but the reality is that many of them are shmucks who love the opportunity to get rowdy with their peers, or are really into a stance that they might completely flip on given a change in circumstance. And some are just outright opportunists.

And some of them are simply stupid and gullible, their brains atrophied by "doing their own research" online 24/7.

Apparently Tarrio was offered a plea deal (9-11 years) that he passed on.

Before trial, USA offered Proud Boys plea deals, revealed yesterday. They passed. Result:
Offer | Sentence after trial
Tarrio 9-11 yrs| 22 yrs
Nordean 6-8 yrs | 18 yrs
Biggs 6-8 yrs | 17 yrs
Rehl 6-7 yrs | 15 yrs
Pezzola 4-5 yrs | 10 yrs
/1 pic.twitter.com/OGf0CdRipr
— Roger Parloff (@rparloff) September 7, 2023
― brownie, Thursday, September 7, 2023 8:47 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

REAL MEN OF GENIUS

The creeps getting jailed for calling government officials/offices with threats of violence are thankfully getting taken out of the "will they or won't they commit violence" pool.

In earlier times, these people would have been cast out of the tribe and left to fend for themselves.

https://i.imgur.com/93dlDpx.jpg

trump obviously also said a bunch of encouraging, vague crap but there's no direct link to the idiots who were there, other than speaking to some of them down the road

― mh, Thursday, September 7, 2023 10:43 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk im curious to see what the prosecutors have

Like all long-lived Mafia bosses, Trump manages to insulate himself from direct involvement. I think he's fucked on the documents and Georgia cases, though.

The Jan. 6 Committee made the case that by sitting and watching the rioters on tv and not saying anything for hours Trump was tacitly showing his support for the coup. Which is true, but probably hard to prosecute.

he thinks he is protected by the presidential records act on the documents case, but legal people are saying he obviously hasn't read it!

he thinks he is protected by the presidential records act on the documents case, but legal people are saying he obviously hasn't read it anything ever

xps yah fair

everything revealed about what Trump was up to so far has been from self-serving dorks like Mark Meadows who were hemming and hawing as he kept making ridiculous requests and they supposedly just ignored him

hes not being charged with conspiracy in the federal case re jan 6 so it doesnt matter but for a normal person it doesnt take much to get included in one

like he doesnt have to talk to the proud boys but if roger stone did and then he talked to roger stone

Outside jury nullification, he is dead to rights on the documents case.

"So you're telling me there's a chance ... "

Fani Willis pretty much immolates Gym Jordan for attempting to meddle in her case
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23941366/jim-jordan-letter.pdf

There's no realistic doubt that Trump asked for and was presented with a wide variety of ideas for stealing the election, that he approved of them, and directed people like Meadows, Eastman and Giuliani to actively pursue them. He did his share by loudly and openly claiming he won and that any evidence Biden won was based in voter fraud. He was well aware of the Proud Boys, Three-Percenters, Oathkeepers and QAnon because he was thoroughly briefed about them. His long term history shows how well he understands the use of threats, intimidation and violence as a tool for getting what he wants.

But mainly there's no doubt because he did it all in the open! It was reported in the news on a daily basis all through the months just before the election right up to January 6th, 2021.

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Oooo! Stevie, that letter is dynamite! Thanks for linking it.

"Here is another reality you must ‘face: Those who wish to avoid (felony charges in Fulton County, Georgia — including violations of Georgia RICO law — should not commit ‘felonies in Fulton County, Georgia. "

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God lord, Willis utterly clowned Jordan with that letter

If Jordan could read, he'd be so mad.

That letter is going to make him redouble his efforts to do nothing.

Shots fucking fired. Thank you, DA Willis.

Your letter makes clear that you lack a basic understanding of the law, its practice, and the ethical obligations of attorneys generally and prosecutors specifically.

Chef's kiss