random old rap you are loving

Loved Dream Warriors as a kid. I still go back and listen to a few songs now and then.

just a random observation about random old rap-
why was it that hiphop beats were always getting commandeered for r+b songs? like how was it that these hardcare hiphop heads were having such a delicate ear for samples? i always think of redman's "tonight's da nite" - they even literally pause the record to call him out for the "punk smooth shit" only to have the exact same beat come back on while he swears more freely lol. sure enough, that same isaac hayes sample showed up on a tlc remix a couple years later - and it sounded great!

anyway, always thought it was funny how so much 90s hiphop would go on about its own hardness. but so many of the beats were loops from old slow jams and then would get repurposed and flourish on as r+b hits for the next year or so.

(lol remember when jlo jacked the beatnuts? that was... huh yeah, that happened)

wasn't it the other way around? crate diggers and producers would come across great rnb samples but to some degree couldn't themselves put them to use in that context because of a perceived schism between rap vs. rnb

That Beatnuts bite definitely annoyed younger me.

same, but that really was snobbish of me

Yeah, I mean the bite is pretty hard, like they barely even tweaked it at all. But I care less about that stuff now.

(lol remember when jlo jacked the beatnuts? that was... huh yeah, that happened)

stopped into the old bucksters just now and you'll never guess what was playing...

anyway—
ya'll remember sporty thievz? they were dope! i think "no pigeons" was one of the last true "answer records" to gain any sort of traction. they were one of the groups that i always liked because they were basically picking up on the too $hort/snoop school of not givin a fuck "we don't luv dem hoez" rhyming and jeep beats. i was mostly into backpacker shit at the time, but always checked for them because these dudes could fucking rap circles around most folks. and you knew they were certified because when rawkus did the amadou diallo benfit album (not on streaming, grrrr), they were on it.

besides "no pigeons" i always thought it was funny that the thing they were most known for previously was... basically the same song with a different beat lol—
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdJzbH3nBtc
sporty thievz — "cheapskate" (1997)

of course, they got cut short when marlon brando (not to be confused with the hollywood actor) died in a freak car accident. i remember reports at the time saying that he saw the car coming and was only in harm's way to get other people out of there. idk if he "saved someone's life" or whatever, but damn: twenty fucking two. respect.

going back to some old indie mixtape favorites and i can't believe i'm posting a song featuring talib kweli, but even he can't fuck this one up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VdTrvddaM
makeba mooncycle feat talib kweli — "lunchroom classics" (1999)
prod by j rawls from lone catalysts

this old school mama came to save ya!

definitive feel good backpack jams.

i love random old rap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bygqGezBJQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5968tbRsiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gLw5j-Wxu0

wonderful beat

Same sample as Sally got a one track mind though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEOOXtvUc3g

this is my "Ante Up" just beyond ignorant lyrical box cutter shit

hi i'm a pendant. can we please post artist and track titles in addition to videos?

going back to spottie's first post, we have:
mr doctor - '40 oz+chronic dice'
the jacka, fed-x+rydah j. klyde - 'the same thing everyday'
and then ums with smoothe da hustler's 'broken language'

(smoothe da hustler+trigger tha gambler-- there's a sorely forgetton ultra charismatic 90s duo!)

lol don't fuck with me, i'm a PENDANT YA'LL.

(pedant, obvs lol)

yeah that's a good idea esp when the youtube links go dead sometimes

xpost I don't know why Smoothe's Once Upon a Time in America isn't held up with stuff like The Infamous or Cuban Links

im always on the hunt to find tracks where rappers take on the broken language flow
ie chance the return
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgLWoBZZfU

what does "ignorant lyrical box cutter shit" mean, serious q

was an thing old ny street rappers would mention, sneaking a box cutter into a club as a weapon

Kind of became shorthand for a certain type of raw East Coast street rap

ah okay, thanks for the context. and ignorant in this case means "dumb" like "stupid good" ? haha sorry to be a square

Smoothee seemingly went on to become a ghostwriter, worked on the mythical Detox album.

oh wow! i didn't know that, good for him

ignorant in this case means "dumb" like "stupid good" ? haha sorry to be a square

oh haha no worries, i guess in this context it means like uh not exactly interested in uplifting or educating the listener, just thugged out violence threat/outrageous type stuff, ill lyrical content for its own sake guess?

He also claims he wrote Foxy Brown's verse on Jay Z's "Ain't No..."

interesting, honestly it wouldn't surprise me, he was so skilled and also seems like ghostwriting is so much more prevalent than i always thought

ty ums. i did love the track btw

xpost I don't know why Smoothe's Once Upon a Time in America isn't held up with stuff like The Infamous or Cuban Links

wasnt the record out of print or something? im too randomly old to say for sure but i do remember trying to buy the cd and not finding a copy

xpost I don't know why Smoothe's Once Upon a Time in America isn't held up with stuff like The Infamous or Cuban Links

wasnt the record out of print or something? im too randomly old to say for sure but i do remember trying to buy the cd and not finding a copy

ums otm- i was very into that stuff at the same time as mobb deep, cnn... the nyc thug rap phenomenon, y'know? have we already forgotten about that stuff? dang.

i always wondered what became of smoothe da hustler. dmx came along shortly after and that was that, far as that stuff went. makes sense he would move to a behind the scenes role.

Just threw on an old compilation Quannum Spectrum from 1999 and it's top to bottom amazing. The beat that rolls into the opener with J5 is incredible and I forgot how great a track Storm Warning was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzBy72f1UtQ

nobody burned the flag like 2 Black 2 Strong MMG

this is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAgGBfLgKmY

saer posted this on Techno/House Bobbins of the past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iykvtX_ptyg

Kurupt, Big Tray Deee, Slip Capone - C Walk

fits the bill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Wn5jDw6N0

Hadn't heard this until this morning. Great Talking Heads sample.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_QzZQCs7VE
Shadez Of Brooklyn - Change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSNYX7CTSRM

Citizen Kane - Blackrain (Dirty)

Been enjoying that new Thirstin Howl III remix album. Underrated rapper from that era I think.

got damn, c walk ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIJTBBMcVKc

Floating into my head now and then for over 30 years since I heard it on Tim Westwood's original Caputal Radio show but I only recently got round to ID'ing Earle the Poet's 'High Noon'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYbX4w3DA4

Rest in Peace BOSS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYjwGXoXI8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9W7_795Og

Dope track from an unexpected source

I always liked Lil Cease, I rocked the Junior Mafia album a ton

LOL at the last seconds of that Earle The Poet video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIOM8mCS1fk

lotsa good ones in here since my last visit. love that SoM! although imo sadat x should be talib kweli status by now. the dude has displayed too many instances of ignorance to be given a pass any longer.

back where i come from, this is about as certified as one can get-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8KWK7LvXSo
dimples d + marley marl - "sucker djs (i will survive)" (1983)

ums thank you for the post re:bo$$. didn't realize she was og from detroit! found this in the tmz news piece about her-

DJ Premier also weighed in, praising Bo$$ as a talented legend, and made a public plea for Def Jam to release a collab he'd recorded with her in 1993.

i'd like to join our friend mr. martin in his plea to def jam. unreleased 93 premier beats, are you kidding!!??