Like, best case scenario there are more opportunities for syncs/licensing that generate money for artists...worst case you have to agree to an overall shitty deal via Terms of Service?
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:07 (seven months ago) link
sounds about right if it’s just an opt-in box for artists that lets them allow licensing that might be good. if it’s automatic via a terms of service change then a bunch of people are definitely yanking all their music from the site
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:11 (seven months ago) link
I guess I'll try to remain optimistic, but goddamn it feels like we just can't have nice things that work well for both artists and fans.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:14 (seven months ago) link
if it’s just an opt-in box for artists that lets them allow licensing that might be good. if it’s automatic via a terms of service change then a bunch of people are definitely yanking all their music from the site
There's no way. There are a bunch of heavy-duty labels on Bandcamp at this point — there will be squads of lawyers looking over any new licensing language as a result of this acquisition.
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:14 (seven months ago) link
That's a good point, and lots of artists already have licensing deals etc
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:19 (seven months ago) link
oh for fuck's sake
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:22 (seven months ago) link
Does anyone have a source for Bandcamp being sold to Songtradr?
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:28 (seven months ago) link
here’s the press release: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/songtradr-acquires-bandcamp-epic-games-162200297.html
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:31 (seven months ago) link
Never mind. I found one.https://www.songtradr.com/blog/posts/songtradr-bandcamp-acquisition
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:32 (seven months ago) link
Fucking technothing companies.
Looking at their Twitter (I mean "X") feed, the most vapid corporatespeak Stepford Wives creepiness.
No way this is good.
It's terrible that Bandcamp has become almost the only lifeline for artists to actually get paid. And more terrible that that lifeline will be snipped capriciously by some techfuck for a few dollars.
― Soundslike, Thursday, 28 September 2023 16:47 (seven months ago) link
having had no experience with song licensing or songtradr, is there something specifically bad about them?
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:00 (seven months ago) link
Insane
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:04 (seven months ago) link
Songtradr is Paul Wiltshire‘s company. Yes, _that_ Paul Wiltshire. They’ve essentially transformed into a holding company.
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:09 (seven months ago) link
ah. ugh.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:10 (seven months ago) link
I’m obviously biased since I spent months railing Epic for acquiring Bandcamp and Bandcamp for being acquired (when they were growing and had access to capital). Bandcamp had the opportunity to become a real one. Now I can’t help but think they’ll slowly decline and get punted around every few years.
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:12 (seven months ago) link
*grumble*
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:22 (seven months ago) link
someone should combine Discogs with Bandcamp
― a (waterface), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:39 (seven months ago) link
nah Discogs is in its own death spiral
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:42 (seven months ago) link
I think it's super useful (could be made even more so) as a database, let alone a platform to buy and sell music
― a (waterface), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:47 (seven months ago) link
It's definitely surpassed Allmusic and wikipedia as the place to look for album credits, that's for sure.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:50 (seven months ago) link
we've been chronicling the Discogs death spiral here fwiw:
discogs marketplace?
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:53 (seven months ago) link
― Soundslike,
100%i buy most of my new music via bandcamp and this is probably not going to be a good thing ..
― mark e, Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:53 (seven months ago) link
Wonder how many people who will lament this admittedly terrible latest development are regular Spotify users
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:59 (seven months ago) link
I pay for Spotify. I pay for records. I pay for concert tickets. Eat shit
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 28 September 2023 18:03 (seven months ago) link
Can we not do this again?
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 28 September 2023 18:08 (seven months ago) link
I spend at least $100 a month on Bandcamp purchases and $12 a month for Tidal.
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 28 September 2023 18:26 (seven months ago) link
If we're doing a moral accounting, these days I spend $0-20 dollars per month on club music on Bandcamp for imaginary DJ gigs and I'm currently gorging myself on the Blue Note and Tzadik catalog's on my wife's Spotify account. But I think there are better threads for us all to list our music consumption habits.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 28 September 2023 18:31 (seven months ago) link
Back to bleep.com then
― what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Thursday, 28 September 2023 19:46 (seven months ago) link
Sorry, just sort of hugging my security blanket there
― what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Thursday, 28 September 2023 19:51 (seven months ago) link
Not fun.
Bandcamp employees say they've been locked out of critical systems and unable to do their jobs since Epic announced it was selling. This will hurt Bandcamp Fridays where 100% of the profits go to artists. They're bargaining over layoffs and severance. It's an epic mess. https://t.co/lvA3Nwvvef pic.twitter.com/yJmwvU14Nd— AmericanTruckSongs9 (@ethangach) October 4, 2023
JJ Skolnik confirmed/shared the union statement and asks people to follow the Twitter/IG Bandcamp United accounts for more as it comes.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 19:49 (seven months ago) link
Ah shit
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 19:54 (seven months ago) link
here we go.glad i have downloaded all my purchases.
― mark e, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 19:55 (seven months ago) link
Bandcamp Daily editor J. Edward Keyes sent this email out yesterday:
With the announcement last week that Bandcamp is being acquired by Songtradr, I wanted to assure you that the Bandcamp Daily will continue as usual, and you will continue to get paid for your work.Through the end of the month, you should continue to invoice via Workday as you normally do and we will continue to assign work as usual. If there is any change to invoicing once we transition over to Songtradr’s systems we will let you know. We will work hard to ensure there is no disruption in payment or workflows. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we navigate this transition. Any other questions, feel free to reach out and I will answer them as best I can!
Through the end of the month, you should continue to invoice via Workday as you normally do and we will continue to assign work as usual. If there is any change to invoicing once we transition over to Songtradr’s systems we will let you know. We will work hard to ensure there is no disruption in payment or workflows.
Thank you for your patience and understanding as we navigate this transition. Any other questions, feel free to reach out and I will answer them as best I can!
― read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 19:57 (seven months ago) link
Also in response to JJ's post, someone asked if purchases at Bandcamp should be stopped. JJ's response: "no! please continue to support artists through the site." Please keep this in mind.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 19:59 (seven months ago) link
Yes, you should by all means buy things from my label (and other people, too!).
― read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 20:02 (seven months ago) link
Bandcamp Friday is indeed in two days!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 20:05 (seven months ago) link
The best album tape I've ever been a part of came out this week, I hope Bandcamp doesn't implode quite yet (or ever)
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 20:08 (seven months ago) link
I hope Bandcamp doesn't implode quite yet (or ever)
totally.most of my new/old music is bought via bandcamp these days.
― mark e, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 20:36 (seven months ago) link
Hes a mate but if you like Mr Fingers style deep house, you should really check this out
https://davemoloney.bandcamp.com/album/rotation-ep
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 20:43 (seven months ago) link
It's going to be really crushing if (when?) we lose Bancamp. Techfucks will leave nothing unruined for a short-term gain.
While the getting is good, trying to raise some $ for a good cause in Mimi Parker's memory, with my new (Bandcamp-only) release:
https://www.twitter.com/musicophiliamix/status/1709305109006442906
― Soundslike, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:10 (seven months ago) link
God I would hate to lose Bandcamp so much. The ease, convenience and ability to directly support artists and labels has rightly been widely praised, but I also want to just acknowledge how it's made it more convenient to get stuff from foreign artists as more of the jump to Bandcamp. As a specific recent example, Ekrto (home of Circle) has gotten more stuff on there lately and it's a breeze to order from them, where previously you'd have to either wait for a store like Aquarius (RIP) or site like Forced Exposure to list them, if not questionable looking websites that kill you on shipping. It's definitely made it much easier to support artists all over the world.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:21 (seven months ago) link
if we lose bandcamp we will lose a vast number of labels as so many labels now do the vast majority of their sales via it. using my label as an example, on some digital only releases 90% of the total revenue is via bandcamp. i think if we lost bandcamp i'd very likely give up.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:27 (seven months ago) link
To be clear I don't think Bandcamp literally going away is in the cards, but it would suck if they axed the editorial, treated employees poorly, and generally felt bad to use/support as a platform.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:30 (seven months ago) link
yeah, i doubt bandcamp is going to disappear, but it could certainly start sucking.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:39 (seven months ago) link
yeah, to be clear, I don't anticipate it to be *poof* gone, but rather seemingly small changes that compound and end up making it much worse
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 21:44 (seven months ago) link
a slow slide to oblivion would not be a much better outcome.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 22:01 (seven months ago) link
Please sign and share this petition.
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/songtradr-recognize-bandcamp-united
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 22:08 (seven months ago) link
signed and shared.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 22:10 (seven months ago) link
just came here to post the same, thanks everyone!
― fragglerock, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 23:00 (seven months ago) link
Happy Bandcamp Friday, sign the petition as linked above, also read this
https://www.wired.com/story/epic-games-sale-bandcamp-music-platform-limbo/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2023 17:16 (six months ago) link