Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

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Missing a request for a jury trial is pretty much per se malpractice.

Does that mean a likely appeal or retrial?

Neither. It's a civil trial, not criminal, so it has no effect on the outcome (no right to effective counsel in a civil trial). But theoretically Trump might have a civil cause of action against the attorney for malpractice.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:27 (seven months ago) link

This is like when Alex Jones’ lawyers sent his phone over as discovery

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:28 (seven months ago) link

xpost You mean the same judge that already ordered the entire organization potentially dissolved?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, October 2, 2023 1:18 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

"forgetting who the defendant is in this case"

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:28 (seven months ago) link

Reportedly Trump and his kids are supposed to take the stand, but I don't see that happening.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2023 17:29 (seven months ago) link

do we actually know that the lawyer forgot to do this and that they wanted a jury trial?

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:34 (seven months ago) link

I'm honestly surprised Trump isn't representing himself.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2023 17:36 (seven months ago) link

maybe the lawyer did it on purpose

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:37 (seven months ago) link

I heard that he definitely wouldn't have wanted a bench trial in this case, or wouldn't have been advised to get one if was getting proper legal advise, so I guess it must have been a fuckup.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:37 (seven months ago) link

Knowing you're never gonna see a dime for it can have a real impact on the quality of one's work.

read-only (unperson), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:39 (seven months ago) link

Maybe they're getting paid in room service credit.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2023 17:46 (seven months ago) link

so how does the strategy work exactly, where you call the judge deranged and the case a scam?

StanM, Monday, 2 October 2023 17:49 (seven months ago) link

I'm guessing it's the "I've got rubes sending me millions of dollars and a decent shot of being President again, and anyway I'll probably die in a few years so fuck it" strategy

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 2 October 2023 17:52 (seven months ago) link

Maybe they're getting paid in room service credit

Hamberders

The Royal House of Hangover (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 2 October 2023 18:25 (seven months ago) link

One hundredth of a Trump NFT per billing hour

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 2 October 2023 18:31 (seven months ago) link

“This is a judge that should be disbarred. This is a judge that should be out of office. This is a judge that some people say could be charged criminally for what he’s doing. He’s interfering with an election and it’s a disgrace.”

— Donald Trump, upon leaving his civil fraud trial in New York City.

Cow_Art, Monday, 2 October 2023 18:35 (seven months ago) link

This is Judge Reinhold
https://www.themoviedb.org/t/p/w500/oPdJz2hSIkrj1wvOpupGoIej6IO.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2023 18:45 (seven months ago) link

so I guess contempt of court isn't a thing anymore?

StanM, Monday, 2 October 2023 18:48 (seven months ago) link

his rants about the judge devaluing his properties are irrelevant, the figure isn't a selling price it's what the tax appraisers decide it's value is for their purposes. I don't know fuck all about law but I know a pointless, completely null defense argument when I see one.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 2 October 2023 19:00 (seven months ago) link

Applause to JiC

blurry picture of mostly amorphous feelings (Hunt3r), Monday, 2 October 2023 20:52 (seven months ago) link

the figures they used were absurd but there are a lot of reasons for a gulf between taxable value and likely sale value of a property

most of which, if not nebulous and legally questionable, would mean a swift increase at reassessment

he's basically being marcel duchamp and saying, no, since I signed this urinal it's now a work of art and not the same as a toilet you buy from the supplier

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 2 October 2023 20:53 (seven months ago) link

do we actually know that the lawyer forgot to do this and that they wanted a jury trial?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, October 2, 2023 1:34 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

in the article it said that youre supposed to submit a form saying whether you want a jury trial or not and they did not submit the form, however the prosecution did submit the form and asked for a bench trial, so yea seems like a oopsie

lag∞n, Monday, 2 October 2023 20:55 (seven months ago) link

he's basically being marcel duchamp and saying, no, since I signed this urinal it's now a work of art and not the same as a toilet you buy from the supplier

Yeah, but it doesn't work retroactively. His argument was, iirc, even if it wasn't worth a lot *then* it is *now*, but whatever value was added came *after* it was overvalued. And then there's flat-out fuckery like saying Trump Tower had three times as much space as was assessed. I believe there was some reporting that as soon as the overestimation of square footage came out, Trump Inc. stopped lying about it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 October 2023 21:05 (seven months ago) link

always a good strategy at a bench trial - insulting the presiding judge lol

Throughout the day, defense attorneys also took aim at the judge, making testy assertions such as “I don’t think you’re an expert on accounting standards” and “you owe it to the defendants to listen to this evidence.”

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 2 October 2023 21:19 (seven months ago) link

but you see, I signed next to the statement that the square footage magically tripled so I made it so

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 2 October 2023 21:30 (seven months ago) link

do we actually know that the lawyer forgot to do this and that they wanted a jury trial?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, October 2, 2023 1:34 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

in the article it said that youre supposed to submit a form saying whether you want a jury trial or not and they did not submit the form, however the prosecution did submit the form and asked for a bench trial, so yea seems like a oopsie

lol... I've heard it's not even a dedicated form - It's literally a "jury trial" box that wasn't checked on another form!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 2 October 2023 21:49 (seven months ago) link

A dozen innocent people plus alternates have been spared by this witless gaff

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 2 October 2023 21:52 (seven months ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Arizona prosecutors are probing Trumpworld efforts to reverse the results of the 2020 presidential election — years into Joe Biden’s presidencyhttps://t.co/v8en5nUO8b

— Rolling Stone (@RollingStone) October 3, 2023

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 00:10 (seven months ago) link

this guy just cant catch a break

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 00:13 (seven months ago) link

How can he be a "threat to democracy" when there are thousands of elections all over this country every year and he only tried to steal one of them? A statistically insignificant number!

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 00:22 (seven months ago) link

he just wanted to steal one election, as a treat

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 00:24 (seven months ago) link

He tried to steal the prettiest one

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 00:27 (seven months ago) link

lol good stuff

Eric Trump says New York City is dirty.
Also, Eric Trump says his father has done more to shape New York City which he describes as amazing pic.twitter.com/YNJJti1MFp

— Acyn (@Acyn) October 3, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 02:31 (seven months ago) link

starting to grow Perot ears

real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 04:24 (seven months ago) link

I was about to post a picture of that genetically modified rat with an ear growing out of its back, but it was horrifying, even by the standards of Eric Trump.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 12:07 (seven months ago) link

one’s a hideous abomination formed by unholy meddling with the natural order, the other is a genetically modified rat etc etc

come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:16 (seven months ago) link

Earic Trump

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:18 (seven months ago) link

jesus looking old there man

Trump shares bizarre court sketch of him sitting next to Jesus at fraud trial https://t.co/yQ70OstOy1 pic.twitter.com/4hdZ5Eq70c

— New York Post (@nypost) October 3, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:21 (seven months ago) link

hey man, he packed a lotta livn' in those 33 years

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:22 (seven months ago) link

forgot to hydrate

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:23 (seven months ago) link

Jesus looking old and also sinister.

Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:23 (seven months ago) link

He never buys any smokes iirc

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:25 (seven months ago) link

Jesus looks like a guy with some dark secrets

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:25 (seven months ago) link

unindicted co-conspirator #17 unmasked as yeshua bar yosef during surprise court appearance

come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:28 (seven months ago) link

looks like his death sentence was commuted to 20 years in prison and he paid off the Samaritan gang to shank Judas

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:29 (seven months ago) link

he came back from the dead to attend a civil trial in New York, that doesn't surprise me a bit

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:29 (seven months ago) link

he looks like barry gibb

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:37 (seven months ago) link

Jesus, or Sauron?

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:40 (seven months ago) link

Jim Caviezel?

Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:52 (seven months ago) link

Jesus famously hung out with fraudsters.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 16:54 (seven months ago) link


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