Things you were shockingly old when you learned

HR from Bad Brains was born in Liverpool.

Jackie Collins and Joan Collins are different people.

aren't they sisters?

Were.

The drink WKD is pronounced Wicked not WKD

I was in the bandvan when HR popped out to collect a souvenir from the Liverpool hospital he was born in as Paul Hudson. Trying to think what he came back with a bit of a sign or something.
Solo tour with brother Earl, Kenny Dread on guitar and a bassist who came from Leytonstone who was known as Englishman.

Wound up staying on their hotel room floor after they played Manchester. & got a lift to Liverpool with them.

Now surprised if that was the first time he'd been back to the town. I know Id seen the Bad Brains in 86 and think they'd been over at least once before that.

Was the bassist this guy?

https://www.discogs.com/artist/465496-Englishman

Cool!

Just found a story linking him to HE so yeah would seem to be
https://legendaryreggae.com/2014/06/19/the-mighty-roots-of-englishman/

mis-pronouncement of words when younger redux: portakabin as por-taka-bin

(there's a lot of it in the book I'm currently reading and every single one is still por-taka-bin even though i know it's wrong)

That Marc Andreessen comes from Iowa and not, as I had imagined, Norway or something.

yeah, the public sphere software he nebulously contributed to and commercialized into Netscape was developed at the University of Illinois of all places

H. G. Wells was part of the Bromley Contingent.

I thought they the piggie was going to market to buy groceries until about 2 months ago. I'm 45.

He is still going shopping as far as I'm concerned.

Ha yeah. I was about 45 when the horrible truth was revealed to me.

nah he's a shoplifter.
or he's the man, man.

I was so shocked. It never occured to me tha the was going anything other than picking up some bits for dinner. I wil never get over this.

Quiie how late Jim Crow was imposed in the United States. Or at least just sinking in this morning from reading teh Meier and Rudwick history.
It has it as around the turn of the century which is like 35 years after teh end of the civil war.
Like Andrew Johnson sunk the Reconstruction much earlier but the laws leading to Jim Crow are all right around the turn of the century

I remember how popular bacon became as an ingredient in sweet stuff a decade and a half ago. accoutrement for cakes and buns and things.
Do believe it has been part of a financial transaction for quite a while longer like

Okay, just realized that the piggy was not shopping.

I'm so sorry.

At least we're not alone.

Poor piggy.

https://www.artnet.com/WebServices/images/ll00161lldOj0GFgVeECfDrCWvaHBOc7nnD/beatrix-potter-this-pig-went-to-the-market;-this-pig-staid-at-home-(+-3-others;-4-works-from-this-pig-went-to.jpg

oh no

How does the one who eats roast beef get his beef if not from the one who shops?

there's no reason to believe the piggy wasn't going to the market to shop. the alternative is just an edgy interpretation that people on social media decided was canon apparently. not every old children's thing is secretly violent!

years and years ago there was a popular tumblr post that was like "i just realized the meaning behind why did the chicken cross the road. crossing the road means death. the chicken committed suicide." this post had about a zillion likes and reblogs. i still see people repeating it today.

hitler had false teeth

learned that today

Literally only just discovered that Fats Domino was singing ‘I’ve found my thrill on blueberry hill’, not ‘I’ve found my freedom on blueberry hill’.

The chicken one is dumb but apparently most people knew the market meant slaughter! I genuinely think this is one where I was just being naive. :/

As the lyrics are dissected and analyzed, we realize that the rhyme’s origins may be less merry than the one we sing along to today. The first little piggy went to market, but not to buy groceries. Instead, to be sold. The other piggy stayed home to help keep the pig pen filled with other newborn piglets. The piggy that had roast beef needs to fatten up before it makes its own trip to the market. The other piggy needs to loose some weight before making its own journey to the market. As for the final piggy, there is a debate on it yelling “Wee, wee, wee”. One interpretation suggests that it’s out of fear at the prospect of going to market. While other interpretations suggest the rhyme is French in origin and the little piggy screams “Oui! oui! oui!” (Yes! Yes! Yes!), celebrating its escape to freedom!

I think it matters that it's English because maybe then the whole market thing is more clearly a meat market not a little shop.

guys

i just found out what “patty cake” really means

i’m still shaking

Ok I feel like you're joking but after this piggy fiasco I am scared to Google.

THere are several books on the meaning of nursery rhymes that show historical satire and things being part of the process.

BUt nothing like teaching the potentially short lived the pervasive presence of death and the market economy really is there

one of beatrix potter's longer stories -- THE TALE OF PIGLING BLAND (1913) -- is basically a novelisation of this nursery rhyme

potter as a realist (and also a farmer) doesn't completely erase the darker implications of the ambiguity, tho they are kept largely at the level of jokes apparent to the adult reading the tale to the child and revelations perhaps for the child blessed with curiosity and a willingness to ask questions

spoilers: pigling bland is sent to market with his brother alexander, but alexander loses his papers and a policeman takes him home to potter's farm (where he ends up being traded to a neighbouring farm where he "did fairly well when he had settled down"; the brother is maybe too young to become meat quite yet); bland gets lost, is seized by another farmer, meets up with a kidnapped black pig called pig-wig (how did you come to this farm he asks and pig-wig replies "stolen"; what for? he cries and she cheerfully replies "bacon, hams"): anyway they then escape and scamper across the county lane where they are safe and can retire to grow potatoes… "and over the hills and faraway she danced with pigling bland"

it was one of my favourites when young because it has such a sinister atmosphere, including a policeman saying "papers please"

in THE PIE AND THE PATTY-PAN (1905) a character becomes convinced another character is trying to kill her by means of a pattypan, so tracer is not entirely wrong lol

across the county LINE

As the lyrics are dissected and analyzed, we realize that the rhyme’s origins may be less merry than the one we sing along to today. The first little piggy went to market, but not to buy groceries. Instead, to be sold. The other piggy stayed home to help keep the pig pen filled with other newborn piglets. The piggy that had roast beef needs to fatten up before it makes its own trip to the market. The other piggy needs to loose some weight before making its own journey to the market. As for the final piggy, there is a debate on it yelling “Wee, wee, wee”. One interpretation suggests that it’s out of fear at the prospect of going to market. While other interpretations suggest the rhyme is French in origin and the little piggy screams “Oui! oui! oui!” (Yes! Yes! Yes!), celebrating its escape to freedom!

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Sunday, October 22, 2023 4:19 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm even less convinced after reading this

this is the "ferris is a figment of cameron's imagination" of nursery rhymes

because i now know more than this little piggy than i ever thought i'd know and i'm ready to embarrass myself: the blog post this is from appears to be summarizing random reddit conversations, its only citation is to repeat the myth that the rhyme originated from blake, and the celebratory/french 'interpretation' makes no sense at all because the last line was "I can't find my way home" until at least the early 20th century

it is

HOGWASH

sorry, i linked to the wrong wrong blog post from that website

the correct interpretation of all eng-lang nursery rhymes is that they are about the black death

iirc from reading bits of the Opies all the sinister folk horror interpretations are retcon

recently discovered footage of that origin story:

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/24/2023/01/pop-goes-the-weasel-037e5fa.jpeg

Ok well I have no idea anymore but all I can tell you is this came up at work months ago in a discussion with about 6 ppl who all thought this was completely obvious and known about the piggy and that I was the idiot. These are Def not Reddit people. Shrugs.

The existence of the word matchet which accompanied a photo in Voodoo In Haiti. Only heard the Spanish form of that before as far as i can remember,
So is it still a word or did it just disappear from usage because most people use the foreign alternative

i looked matchet up in SOED and get the strong impression that it only ever really existed as an anglicisation of the more-used spanish original

which etymonline suggests has either the same root as the word "mace" (mattea = war club) *or* as the words "mallet" and "maul" (marculus = a small hammer, from marcus, but see also malleus lol) (maul noun not verb there, meaning a two-handed hammer)

in conclusion the romans had a whole bunch of words for instruments with which to hit stuff

machete...

= the more-used spanish original yes

Spike Milligan named himself after Spike Jones.

on every online community I've ever been on where there is a thread like this, the piggy going to market always comes up, so I think most people "know" it from those.