Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

is there anyone recommendable doing interesting coverage of the sbf case?

crypto is basically a way to do crimes that are way too stupid to get off the ground in the normal financial system, you gotta love it

is there anyone recommendable doing interesting coverage of the sbf case?

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, October 24, 2023 1:54 PM (five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

these guys are prob deeper into the case and the whole scene than anyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvy1IJyax6E

matt levine also frequently writes about it https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-10-12/ftx-had-many-bad-spreadsheets

thanks, I needed a new wormhole to go down!

enjoy, its good stuff lol

the whole lewis take of "but wait-- the money isn't necessarily even gone because ~accounting~, there's a good chance many victims will be made whole" at that point my eyes don't glaze over but just refuse to look there because fuck these guys

lewis is really not covering himself in glory recently, which is a shame hes such a good writer, the government has throughly demonstrated that the money is in fact gone, not all of it but prob like half, also even if the money was all there the ftx brass were simply doing crimes left and right

apparently one of the investments sbf made with ftx customer funds did well and sbfs lawyers were like hey look at this that moneys not stolen its right here in fact it grew and can cover for some of the other stolen money and the judge said if i steal a dollar from you and buy a scratch ticket that hits and then pay you back i have still stolen a dollar from you (exactly the same point andy was making upthread re trump)

As I understand it, it's not that they are hand-picked, per se, but that lawyers have a certain number of "vetoes," and have to do so strategically. (Lawyers, is this right?) Like, lawyers can't just say "no" to every juror, forever, especially when everyone knows the defendant and their alleged crimes.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 24, 2023 7:41 AM bookmarkflaglink

During the jury selection process I believe each side can excuse (veto) an unlimited number of jurors for cause ("cause" including displaying bias - there can be a side bar with the judge to argue this) and a set number of peremptory challenges (challenges where you don't have to provide an explanation).

However, there is case law prohibiting using peremptory challenges solely for racial reasons or in a way that is otherwise biased (Batson v. Kentucky being one of these cases.)

So a jury is not exactly hand-picked but it's not also completely uncurated.

felicity otm.

I see that a third lawyer in the Georgia case, Jenna Ellis, has now flipped.

Rats, ship, etc.

having to smell two of Giuliani's close range farts at a hearing should have been enough to break her

I hear that people are now starting to say that Mr. Trump may not be permitted infinite wriggles in the direction of 'out'.

how many farts must a man crack out

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution had a pretty interesting profile on Chesebro this past Sunday. People who know him well (e.g., his law school classmates at Hahvahd) are astonished at what appears to be a complete right turn in his life. Again, I am amazed at the power of Trump's only true talent: getting people to destroy themselves for his own aggrandizement.

Among the gazillions of reasons for concern about another Trump presidency is what kinds of people are still willing to go anywhere near him. The "adults in the room" of the first term, such as they were, did actually stop him from doing a lot of crazy shit. If he somehow gets thru all of this and ends up as president, it's going to be nothing but grifters, goons and Stephen Miller.

And he may never leave office voluntarily.

I hear that people are now starting to say that Mr. Trump may be permitted infinite isolations in the direction of 'increasingly.'

Keep 'em coming

“Obviously we didn’t win.”

ABC EXCLUSIVE — Mark Meadows has testified before a grand jury in exchange for immunity - according to sources familiar with the former chief of staff’s conversations with the Special Counsel.

Meadows told prosecutors he he agreed the 2020 election…

— Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) October 24, 2023

Neanderthal

how many farts must a man crack out

The answer, my friend, is breaking in the wind

maybe the public get more animated when there are lurid tales of gold bars hidden in the wardrobe or whatever.

or nuclear secrets in the shitter

how many farts must a man crack out

what makes a man shart liars?

He’s got a lot on his mind right now, including holiday cakes:

I don’t think Mark Meadows would lie about the Rigged and Stollen 2020 Presidential Election merely for getting IMMUNITY against Prosecution (PERSECUTION!)

https://i.imgur.com/aAhNHZ9.jpg

Oh. I thought ^^^ that was a closeup of Trump's brain.

not enough yeast

Trump compared himself to Nelson Mandela. I'm just gonna say that sentence a couple of times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgnPzDtgUl0

bless jimmy kimmel for immediately calling him Nelson Mandelicatessen.

lol A+. I can't believe I just listened to 2:24 of this idiot, but it was edifying to learn that we have gone to "communism, Marxism, fascism" since he left office. I must have missed the memo.

It's been hard out here.

I'll try to get out of the habit of posting tweets, but this was posted by Erica Orden:

Judge Engoron just tore into Trump, accusing him of having potentially violated the gag order again with comments he made outside the courtroom. Judge said he is under the impression Trump again disparaged his law clerk. Trump lawyer Chris Kise argued Trump was referring to Cohen

Here is what Trump said: "it would have been fair at least...because no negative jury would vote against me. But this judge will, because this judge is a very partisan judge with a person who's very partisan sitting alongside… perhaps even much more partisan than he is.”

The judge said: "I am very protective of my staff, as i should be…I don’t want anybody killed." After Kise claimed Trump was referring to Cohen, Judge Engoron said he would take the matter under advisement.

More Engoron: "I stated the last time that any future violations would be severely punished.
Why should there not be severe sanctions for this blatant, dangerous disobeyal of a court order?"

The judge is now closing the courtroom with Trump and lawyers still in there.

Trump just exited the courtroom. He refused to say what happened during the conference.

He denied that his earlier comment was about the clerk but he refused to answer multiple questions about who he was referring to.

lock him up!

Ok but "disobeyal"?

Disobeying, disobedience, defiance, flouting, ignoring... those are words

I don't say evasion, I say avoision

OED allows it, dates from 1889 xp

lock him up!

Ad inifinitum.

dornaldo troomps for prions

Oh shit, looks like the judge put Trump on the stand, found him not credible, and fined him $10,000 on top of the previous $5000. Which, sure, is not a lot in Trumpworld, but you know it pissed him off.

nbd just a judge doing judge stuff

what a jack...butt...munch...ass

if you double it every time it gets pretty big fast tho as we know from the story of the chessboard and the rice

I mean, this is the guy who looked at an eclipse. You tell him not to do something, he's gonna do it.

he had to be referring to Engoron's law clerk, because Cohen isn't "sitting alongside" the judge. So either Engoron is making empty threats or Trump has to be jailed.

More about the whole thing.

https://themessenger.com/politics/trumpg-gag-order-violation-judge-engoron

In terms of 'empty threats,' the worst thing Engoron could have done would have been to simply throw him in the slammer immediately. Letting him hang himself on his own rope is a much better approach and if Kise tries to file an appeal or complain the next level up goes "Yeah, and how many times was he explicitly instructed about this, and how many ways did you try and skate?"

frankly surprised Trump hasn't just lied and said he's in jail and taken a video in some cheap Spirit Halloween prisoner costume behind cardboard bars

imagine the FUNDRAISING

Remarkable exchange between the judge and Trump’s lawyer at the end of the day.

When Robert requests a directed verdict again, the judge snaps: “Absolutely not,” adding that he doesn’t regard Cohen as a “key witness.”

“There’s enough evidence in this case to fill this courtroom,” he adds.

#BREAKING from @NBCNews team inside courtroom:

“TRUMP IMMEDIATELY GETS UP AND STORMS OUT OF THE COURTROOM WITH SECRET SERVICE AGENTS CHASING AFTER HIM….COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED AND SURPRISING TO HIS OWN ATTORNEYS …COURTROOM GASPED”

— Shawn Reynolds (@ShawnReynolds_) October 25, 2023

deal from strength or get crushed every time

I've had enough of this - good night!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 25, 2013

If you can't beat 'em, pretend beating them is beneath your dignity.

at this rate he's gonna talk himself into the death penalty

it'll take 16 Big Macs to calm him down

gratifying AF but until he’s in debtors’ prison it’s temporary. XP