ARRRRGGGHHH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS!!!!

the offset is having light in the winter before 7:00 in the morning, which is fine by me

Which I don't get. Sunrise tomorrow will be roughly 7:30, by which point I'll already have been up for an hour; sunset will be roughly 5:30, and I go to sleep between 10:30 and 11. By the time December rolls around I'll be lucky to get eight hours of daylight in a 24-hour span.

With the time change, sunrise tomorrow will come at 6:40 am, at least where I live. I'm a morning person, but I don't want first sunlight to come after 7:30 am or before 5:00 am. The time change corrects for that

“It gets late so early now”

Calstars Berra

It's always made me angry, since i was a lil kid, that the priority was for the drudgery of commuting to school or work to be sunlit, at the expense of having a measly hour for recreation afterwards. I still reflexively see it as a form of capitalist oppression even though i know it's a little more complex- that sharply delineated "recreation time" only exists in opposition to time devoted to capitalist production, that one of the arguments being advanced to make DST permanent is that it boosts spending. i mean unless you are one of those freaks who gets up at 6am and goes for a run standard time is awfully dreary.

5pm and it dark. bad
― ivy., Sunday, November 5, 2023

It's always made me angry, since i was a lil kid, that the priority was for the drudgery of commuting to school or work to be sunlit, at the expense of having a measly hour for recreation afterwards.
― Deflatormouse, Monday, November 6, 2023

these are arguments in favor of permanent daylight savings, not ARRRRGGGHHH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS!!!!, the subject of this thread, which so many people seem to want to get rid of

I would be happy with permanent daylight savings. I would just have to close my shades against the sun in early morning hours in the summer.

But is the time change that onerous? Your clocks mostly reset themselves, and an hour difference doesn’t seem like that much

Let’s pick this discussion up in about 4 months

it's not that big of a deal

yeah I'm used to it and I guess I like the novelty that comes in the spring

Right now I feel slightly more energized. But we'll see how long that lasts.

this is the kind of thing i usually just ignore but it's kinda funny in this case

these are arguments in favor of permanent daylight savings, not ARRRRGGGHHH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS!!!!

i realize that.

I would be happy with permanent daylight savings. I would just have to close my shades against the sun in early morning hours in the summer.

...but you are anticipating permanent standard time here, not permanent DST :)

i mean even on DST it gets light out at 5am here in june, you probably need to close your shades either way?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/interactive/2022/permanent-standard-time-body-health-benefits/

https://underthesuninserts.com/cdn/shop/products/ChangesinLatitudeChangesinAttitudeSunsetScene.jpg

Your body doesn't know Daylight Time from Standard Time. It just knows when its rhythm has been kicked to the curb. What it likes is the "permanent" part, not which clock setting we go with.

oh my body knows

it knows summer from winter, daytime from night, and has a good glimmer of how long 24 hours is. the rest of it is your brain talking.

The only way to end this is the Solomonic solution: spring 30 minutes ahead and leave it there forever.

We will never reconcile the permanent DST crowd with the permanent ST crowd.

Ditto the clock-change fans and the clock-change haters.

Hence my solution: shift half an hour, and never shift again.

An overlooked factor in all this chatter is that no matter which setting we are using, sunrise and sunset times are nearly an hour different from one side of a time zone to the other just because it takes the sun roughly an hour to traverse a zone.

well then we should make time zones horizontal

sexy

530 still feels like 930 suppp

"The only way to end this is the Solomonic solution: spring 30 minutes ahead and leave it there forever. "

There are those crazy time zones that have the 30 minute difference like in New Delhi.

An overlooked factor in all this chatter is that no matter which setting we are using, sunrise and sunset times are nearly an hour different from one side of a time zone to the other just because it takes the sun roughly an hour to traverse a zone.

It also often takes way more than an hour to drive (or even fly) from one time zone to another. We're being cheated.

And I was just getting up, hit the road before it's light
Trying to catch an hour on the sun

yo fuck this, it's 6:30 not 5:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo

Otoh the clock in my car is telling the correct time again

nice work

no point in changing the clock for just four months

back in my day we had *real* standard time

ha it's true! this is a watered down compromise, nobody is happy

Man, Day Three and I don't know how Mountain Time people get up an hour early like this.

Yeah, I know it's time-trickery but I feel a big relief when Daylight Savings comes around... finishing work and still having some light to go for a walk

Husker Du: "Somewhere in April time they add another Owwerrr!" Did it used to be in April or is that just a songwriting/syllable convenience?

wow you must be young, it was April to October until Bush Jr.

Thanks Dubya.

wow you must be young

thank you *blushes*

I just don't remember it or why they adjusted it

i love the sun

Congress moved the dates when DST started and ended because estimates predicted a net energy savings nationally if the changes were adopted. Dubya's only involvement was signing the bill into law.

when I win the lottery I'll just have two houses in adjacent time zones and move between them accordingly

I am hitting a huge mid-afternoon lull right now.

xxp Aimless-- I thought it was the centerpiece of his administration's "Energy Conservation Plan"

It could have been touted that way when introduced. It's the sort of thing presidents love to mention in their State of the Union address (speeches which I have mostly ignored since about 1994). I can't recall his ever mentioning an interest in it after that, only the stupid wrangling about how many more schoolkids per annum would be crushed by school busses compared to the status quo.