At 10:35 on an early summer's morning, John Lanchester sat down at his study desk, switched on his new Dell computer, opened up the word processing programme that the computer had come with and began

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I was going to defend that until I got to "budget-distribution file"

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 November 2023 16:55 (five months ago) link

I'd be interested to know what you felt was defensible up until that point. I feel the whole thing is turgid inanity.

plax (ico), Saturday, 11 November 2023 00:34 (five months ago) link

"crusts and other bits and pieces" although innocuous looking, for long time lanchester heads, indicates the open-ended material leakage of his prose... what other bits and pieces? not crusts? the crumb too? or.... specifically bought bird food As We're Told... bits and pieces sounds like people are ransacking their sheds.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:26 (five months ago) link

i'm with plax here, i think, you might defend the first sentences as a fusion of style and content, but it toils so.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:26 (five months ago) link

budget-distribution file is pure chef kiss of course. absolute a-grade, inject-it-into-my-veins lanchester.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:27 (five months ago) link

i'm actually going to allow something here. 'where there was no-one' + 'on which nothing was written' ('or scrawled' lol) and the automatic towel dispenser + the Americano option on the machine, feels like he may be trying to do something. but who knows, he walks round like a sims character.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:30 (five months ago) link

in fusion of style and content news: "already, the day felt long" <-- already the sentence felt long (yes it's that comma)

mark s, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:31 (five months ago) link

yes, it's remarkable how tired you feel just a few words in.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:32 (five months ago) link

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-30-2013/QwrC28.gif

mark s, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:45 (five months ago) link

yes, you get three words in and lean back in your easy chair and think 'christ is it time for a drink yet. no i see it's only 9:10am'

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 10:05 (five months ago) link

It was the twin 'where there was no one' and 'on which nothing was scrawled' that finally made me throw up my hands.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Sunday, 12 November 2023 10:56 (five months ago) link

i did wonder if he was going for a bit of poetic balance there ('empty' is probably a better phrase for the toilet).

but now i'm laughing at ever going into the 'men's room' (? oddly american turn of phrase?) and thinking 'there is no one'.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 11:00 (five months ago) link

i feel i should point out i was drunk when i first read this

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:18 (five months ago) link

Sorry, the bit I posted is not written by the man himself, I just felt it was absolute textbook Lanchester. The towel dispenser is the low point for me.

plax (ico), Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:20 (five months ago) link

I also hate the comma after already.

plax (ico), Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:21 (five months ago) link

it’s an extremely enjoyable paragraph. as so often with JL it contains multitudes. i found myself on the somewhat catechistic train of thought, hopelessly banal: “JL is a very bad writer. In the same way that some are very good writers, he is very bad at it. He cannot do it. Even where he thinks he is doing something (and i think he must think this) it does not then pass the test of *why* he thinks this is something he should do. *Why*.”

And you end up going round again, like Michael Finnegan… “Because he is a very bad writer.” etc

You can compound it with questions like “*why* do they let him? *Why* do they pay for him to do it? Does he think he is in some way good? When he’s finished a work, does he feel, like Nabokov, satisfied as if he had laid an egg? *What* do people say after they’ve read something by him? Do they feel their store of imaginative exploration has in some way been replenished? *Why*

You are aware that it’s a form of mediocrity so intense that it is worse than the merely very bad.

There is something Widmerpool like about it all (from Dance to the Music of Time). The stolid successful progression of lack of talent. It perhaps is related inversely to the same energies and demons that occasionally take great talents from us early.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:30 (five months ago) link

xpost oh.

who is this epigone.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:30 (five months ago) link

it is very characteristic.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:30 (five months ago) link

has he taken on a disciple?

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:31 (five months ago) link

brought them into his workshop of dreams?

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:31 (five months ago) link

I just looked it up on my laptop via the internet search engine and discovered it to be Claire K33gan.

I am being mean but the top quote from CK says 'I can't explain my work. I just write stories'.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Sunday, 12 November 2023 12:50 (five months ago) link

“I can't explain my work. I just sit down at my study desk, switch on my laptop, open up the word processing programme that the laptop came with and write stories“

mark s, Sunday, 12 November 2023 13:05 (five months ago) link

<3

it’s interesting to consider why they’re v similar. one aspect of manchester’s prose is the sense that he’s imagining himself walking or going through the process as it happens, so that his sentences and the thought of his prose is also organised in this way. the sentences sort of discover what’s happening at the same time the writer and relevant character does.

the same things going on here. they are a mere stenographer for the minimal levels of empathetic imagination going on. there’s no sense of organisation or art to it.

i’ve never read any keegan, so this may be unfair - after all deploying a style like that in a v limited way within a wider context may have some meaning or purpose. rather than just being how you write.

xpost

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 13:10 (five months ago) link

lol mark s.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 13:10 (five months ago) link


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