Badinter was trying to paint a picture of widespread neglect of children in the couple of centuries prior to Rousseau. Horror story level including leaving babies wrapped up for days not just overnight.
Autocorrect in earlier comment swaps the word vetting process to getting process.
I did wonder how sensationalist the book was. But is one that was recommended elsewhere.
― Stevo, Thursday, 16 November 2023 07:08 (five months ago) link
an absolute doozy this one - i don't think I realised until... the other day? that thanksgiving was just a general seasonal/religious harvest festival and not something specifically American, with possibly some political underpinning (which was the very vague space that it occupied in my mind). v embarrassing. i'd like to apologise to all US ilxors (and apparently Canadian, Liberian ilxors. ...and anyone who lives in Leiden it seems?
― Fizzles, Thursday, 16 November 2023 08:49 (five months ago) link
I would think that the restricted movement as described in Badinter wasn't very healthy which is one reason I thought it had ceased to be practise. Sounded like putting a baby in a straitjacket or something. and as the practise was described being left in a similar state for extended periods.
― Stevo, Thursday, 16 November 2023 10:47 (five months ago) link
Well that does sound pretty bad, I mean look at this guy https://www.metaflix.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Eraserhead-1977-3-768x418.jpg
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 16 November 2023 12:20 (five months ago) link
Sounded like putting a baby in a straitjacket or something
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2023 12:27 (five months ago) link
an absolute doozy this one - i don't think I realised until... the other day? that thanksgiving was just a general seasonal/religious harvest festival and not something specifically American, with possibly some political underpinning (which was the very vague space that it occupied in my mind). v embarrassing. i'd like to apologise to all US ilxors (and apparently🕸 Canadian, Liberian ilxors. ...and anyone who lives in Leiden it seems?
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Thursday, 16 November 2023 12:39 (five months ago) link
Yeah, a lot of them love it. There are lots of vids around of babies being unswaddled and most put their arms straight up like they've just landed a gymnastic dismount and they're all ridiculously cute.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 16 November 2023 12:44 (five months ago) link
lots of pets like wrapping themselves up tightly in blankets! maybe it’s adult humans who are wrong
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 16 November 2023 13:38 (five months ago) link
babies are pretty restricted in the womb, I believe the theory is that it takes then back to that happy time.
― organ doner (ledge), Thursday, 16 November 2023 13:39 (five months ago) link
Yes, I think that's right and, yeah, MH it's kind of the same principal as a thundervest.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 16 November 2023 13:48 (five months ago) link
And weighted blankets
― Jaq, Thursday, 16 November 2023 14:38 (five months ago) link
lol Matttkkk for bringing Eraserhead into this, but yes my son (who was emphatically NOT a good sleeper) was aided immensely by swaddling. When we wrapped him up we called it "baby burrito."
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 16 November 2023 15:39 (five months ago) link
i was too scared of the baby to watch Eraserhead when I was in HS. I got over the fear eventually.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 16 November 2023 15:51 (five months ago) link
It is disturbing though!
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 16 November 2023 16:11 (five months ago) link
I learned just today that the woodwind in "Life in a Northern Town" is a cor anglais and not an oboe.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 17 November 2023 19:59 (five months ago) link
I know everyone else knew it, but I didn't know until last night that the lead singer of Streetband, famous for Toast, was Paul Young.
― trishyb, Saturday, 18 November 2023 10:48 (five months ago) link
i: that there's a single stock sound effect which is used in countless movies, inc.all the star warses (viz when a minor character screams in fear or pain or when dying) ii: it is referred to as the "wilhelm scream" after the character private wilhelm in the western THE CHARGE AT FEATHER RIVER (1953), who gets an arrow in the thigh iii: but it first appeared in DISTANT DRUMS (1951), as likely voiced by singer-actor sheb wooleyiv: sheb wooley is best known for the song THE PURPLE PEOPLE EATER (1958)
in conclusion ever movie to come out of hollywood in the 50s is -- openly or secretly -- about aliens (but this i already knew)
― mark s, Sunday, 19 November 2023 10:21 (five months ago) link
but I've also heard that every '50s movie from Hollywood is about communists/communism
― Josefa, Sunday, 19 November 2023 14:23 (five months ago) link
https://www.artnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Posadist_meme.png
― mark s, Sunday, 19 November 2023 14:58 (five months ago) link
https://www.artnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/posadism-meme-2.jpg
― Left, Sunday, 19 November 2023 15:28 (five months ago) link
omg mark s I am so happy you have discovered the Wilhelm scream
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 19 November 2023 16:55 (five months ago) link
:)
― mark s, Sunday, 19 November 2023 17:08 (five months ago) link
In appreciation of The Wilhelm Scream
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 19 November 2023 23:58 (five months ago) link
I just learned that if one always forgets to save some pasta water when cooking, then one should place a measuring cup in the strainer so they will see it and say “oh shit, save some of that pasta water.”
― Cow_Art, Monday, 20 November 2023 03:12 (five months ago) link
*high-fiving!* I felt like such an amazing genius when I realized that you could do that as a reminder. It only took, um, decades to figure it out.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 20 November 2023 03:18 (five months ago) link
Why would you save pasta water? Is it better than, say, hot dog water?
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 20 November 2023 03:34 (five months ago) link
I always put 1/2cup/125ml -> 1 cup/250ml of pasta water into my sauce as a thickener. Also with pasta primavera-type dishes when there's a final baking stage I'll put a cup of pasta water in it.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 20 November 2023 03:49 (five months ago) link
It works best with starchy pasta, even chickpea pasta (Banza makes a rotini that's really good for pasta primavera). I don't save it from rice-based pasta/noodles
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 20 November 2023 03:56 (five months ago) link
yeah there's a bunch of recipes that call for pasta water later on in the process
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 20 November 2023 04:01 (five months ago) link
I only just learned that Sonic Boom and Jason Spaceman were born on the same day.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Monday, 20 November 2023 11:54 (five months ago) link
courtesy borad member bbq in the Liz Phair thread, St Cecilia is the patron saint of songwriters, and the Simon and Garfunkel song is about writer's block.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 23 November 2023 22:32 (five months ago) link
Bonnie Bedelia most famous for being Bruce Willis’s estranged wife in ‘Die Hard’ is Macaulay and Kieran Culkin’s aunt.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 23 November 2023 22:39 (five months ago) link
Mattttkkkk you should also consider "The Coast," in which a family of musicians took shelter for the night in the little harbor church of St. Cecelia.
Two guitars, Bata bass drum and tambourine, the rose of Jericho and the bougainvillea.
― Oh I believe in Yetis' Day (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 November 2023 00:00 (five months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oepxgnb2Mb4
‘Cecilia’ thing is new to me. Very interesting .There’s something about that song that doesn’t make sense without that context.
― Josefa, Friday, 24 November 2023 00:09 (five months ago) link
Cecilia is the patron saint of music and of musicians generally.
Also her feast day was yesterday, November 22.
― Oh I believe in Yetis' Day (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 November 2023 00:23 (five months ago) link
YMP I've always loved that track and never made the connection. Is that Ray Phiri on guitar?
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 24 November 2023 01:57 (five months ago) link
Vincent Nguini, who joined Simon for that album and went on to work with him for decades after. Absolutely beautiful playing.
― not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Friday, 24 November 2023 04:29 (five months ago) link
Simon can entice great musicians to collaborate with him. It raises the level of his music considerably.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 November 2023 04:33 (five months ago) link
"Steal Away" by Robbie Dupree, notable for how much of a rip it is on the Doobie Brothers/Michael McDonald's "What a Fool Believes," has backing vocals by... Michael McDonald.
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 24 November 2023 05:01 (five months ago) link
lol no way
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 24 November 2023 09:33 (five months ago) link
Did y’all also know that “The Only Loving Boy in New York” was about when Artie was away on location acting in Catch-22?
― Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 24 November 2023 14:34 (five months ago) link
And I just realized or was reminded that “Tom” is a reference to Tom and Jerry.
― Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 24 November 2023 14:36 (five months ago) link
Hence "your part will go fine."
Also, this just in: there were, in fact, other boys living in New York at that time.
― Oh I believe in Yetis' Day (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 November 2023 14:49 (five months ago) link
Do tell.
― Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 24 November 2023 14:51 (five months ago) link
Chubby Checker married the 1962 Miss World and next year will be their 60th anniversary.
― How old Cary Grant? (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 November 2023 11:40 (five months ago) link
Excellent.
― nashwan, Sunday, 26 November 2023 11:42 (five months ago) link
Only recently realised that Chubby Checker as a name is a riff on Fats Domino
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 26 November 2023 11:56 (five months ago) link
Things you were shockingly old when you learned
If I ever need a stage name it will be something like Portly Chess or Zaftig Parcheesi.
― Iris Demented (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 November 2023 12:22 (five months ago) link
Big-boned Monopoly
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 26 November 2023 12:29 (five months ago) link