Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Novel Of The 1910's

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But I think Proust and the narrator rise to the imaginative challenge of this displacement. They do understand and feel the appeal of girls, to certain rich, lifetime-adolescent, questing collector-types anyway (and Colette said that, in their first encounter, she found herself being followed from room to room in a house party, by a boy with remarkable eyelashes, while she was dressed as a boy, in uniform--reminding me of that portrait of Odette.)

dow, Friday, 8 December 2023 20:53 (five months ago) link

oh man the passage about the portrait of odette as a boy is one of the most unmooredly beautiful in the entire book, partly because its subject isn't revealed until the end of the scene and elstir's strange embarrassed don't-tell-my-wife reaction to the narrator's unearthing it always has me wrongly guessing at first that it's a self-portrait, a feminine elstir rather than a masculine odette

book is def full of authentic het feeling and his silly raptures over his fantasy gang of meangirls whose perceived personalities he keeps discovering he's projected on them have often have me feeling pretty seen tbh; i was just quibbling w straight

any kind of displacement is obv only fuel for this book yeah

difficult listening hour, Friday, 8 December 2023 22:00 (five months ago) link

*have often had

difficult listening hour, Friday, 8 December 2023 22:01 (five months ago) link

watching the steeples of three different churches align in parallax: a metaphor for metaphor.

Nice, I love this

jmm, Friday, 8 December 2023 23:06 (five months ago) link

"Dr. Percepied's Carriage" is my fave track on nuggets

difficult listening hour, Friday, 8 December 2023 23:10 (five months ago) link

i was just quibbling w straight
No, you were right to discuss it: a major part of the story!
One thing about the portrait of Odette as a boy: nice how it touches on Swann's obsession with her het fidelity, mainly what he thinks is the lack thereof.
Maybe it's part of her appeal for the painter, and his wife gets this, knowing how to read him and his work.

dow, Saturday, 9 December 2023 02:01 (five months ago) link

As a gay man reading the novel for the last 30 years (I reread The Fugitive or whatever the latest translation calls it a few months ago) I noted how my experiences affect how Proust shades and obscures the sexuality. I used to laugh at what I thought was the way too reductive reading of Odette-as-boy or Albertine-as-young-male-trick, but given what you read in, say, a period Gide novel the freedoms allowed to Albertine and her posse the way Marcel obsesses over banal details of her liberties -- the liberties only a man could've taken in pre-Great War France -- they only make sense with the gender reversal.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 December 2023 02:06 (five months ago) link

I should note, the Swann-Odette affair makes more "straight" sense than the Marcel-Albertine one.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 December 2023 02:07 (five months ago) link

The narrator-Albertine-in-apartment thing drove me up a wall--such a claustrophobic, musty reduction and rehash of Swann In Love, and according to Penguin Modern translators' notes, *not* part of the original plan for Recherche---what the hell, Marcel? And after all that, the narrator's like, "eh, so what. Next concern."

dow, Saturday, 9 December 2023 19:08 (five months ago) link

*not* part of the original plan for Recherche

The tale grew in the telling

I recommend Malcolm Bowie's piece "Proust, jealousy, knowledge" for a really good discussion on The Prisoner. He thinks that the theme of jealousy operates as a kind of shadow or opposite to the theme of involuntary memory. You can see the book as growing out of these opposing notions of knowledge; again, back to the goodnight kiss and the madeleine. I don't quite see the narrator's jealousy of Albertine as a rehash of the Swann/Odette narrative. To me there's a strange sense of inevitability about it - the earlier story is almost like a curse that the narrator can't escape. The same patterns keep repeating. (You can also ask retrospectively, how much of the Swann/Odette narrative is the narrator's reconstruction following his experience in the Albertine saga?)

It is conspicuous how little thought he seems to give Albertine in the final volume, though she does have a lingering presence in the closing pages; a loose thread that seems to slip out of his grand theorizing.

jmm, Saturday, 9 December 2023 19:42 (five months ago) link


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