Twitter C/D

Facebook is infuriating. I want to see what all of my friends are doing in chronological order, but it insists on fucking with the timeline and deciding which friends I should see and hiding the rest and cluttering everything with suggested garbage. I would ditch it but there are a handful of people that communicate with me exclamation through messenger.

the Verge series is great, pretty harrowing stuff from Sarah Jeong, knew it was bad but didn't know it was *that* bad. hope she's doing okay!!

xp to Cow_Art, the browser extension FB Purity (Fluff Buster Purity) is very handy for making your feed less infuriating, including making it chronological all the time, stripping ads, etc. It still lags on showing you activity by all your friends -- when I look at FB unfiltered on my phone I see posts from friends that never show up on desktop -- but it's worth the effort to get it installed. Donationware.

Installing now! I love(d) the equivalent one for twitter.

Hmm, it's still not chronological.

OK, found the toggle. Thanks for the recommendation!

this is the twitter/menswear thread, but, you know, since this is where the people are, i've noticed that facebook and instagram seem to have different priorities in showing your posts to followers.

with instagram, i'll post a new painting and pretty much everyone that's going to like it will "react" within a couple hours, and they never see it again after about 24 hours. it's rare for someone to engage with any of my posts that are more than a day old.

with facebook, i'll post a new painting and no one seems to see it for several hours. then, over the next several days, it seems to gradually land in people's feeds. i'll be excited to share my third painting in a week, for example, and it's crickets while the crappy one from last week suddenly gets a like from my sweet aunt, who is a good indicator of when my posts actually reach people because she's always on facebook and always likes everything i post as soon as she sees it.

no one is reading at this point but since zuck owns both entities maybe they're testing out which method of distributing posts causes the most addiction? or maybe instagram images somehow make more sense to distribute to feeds quickly as opposed to typical facebook content?

culturally could see it making sense for facebook to be slower (old people)

I'm still convinced I can create my own social network that would solve all my problems and be successful. I tried finding somebody to code it for me but didn't work that hard. Then I thought maybe I could start with doing it myself using no code tools, tried something called Bubble. There was somebody selling a social network template. Fully functional facebook clone. It just looked bad. i figured I could install that, then go in and dig around enough to make it look clean and minimal and good. Then go to facebook and start inviting people. But then I decided it was too much work and it wasn't easy to make it look good.

The music conversations and community I have on facebook are amazing. I just want to take them elsewhere. There's a lot of people of certain generations who do use it. The other day David Javelosa of Los Microwaves, Graham Massey of 808 State and David Harrow of Anne Clark were talking about drum machines. I don't even know if all those guys know each other's music.

I used to run a yahoo group that eventually had 7000 members. Im convinced I could bring people over to my social media site, starting with music folk and growing from there. If it existed. People want it. Facebook with no ads, no reels, no suggestions, just your network in order of posting. Maybe have additional tabs, show messages gaining traction (so you dont miss big things), show public messages popular with your network, show all. You can have some algorythms involved as options, but you shouldn't have to work to get that.

i thought i was the source of one of the anon quotes in that verge bit, but the author confirmed i was merely one of like 5 sources who said the same thing in different words.

dan an interesting idea for building a new social network is to make the letterboxed of x, ie devoted to one topic and designed around that particularly rather than just copying facebook, like a letterboxed post is a review, idk what you would do particularly for music but itd be worth thinking through, prob someone has already made one, but ive never heard of it so it hasnt caught on

I used to run a yahoo group that eventually had 7000 members. Im convinced I could bring people over to my social media site, starting with music folk and growing from there.

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you absolutely should! not all 7000 would do it, but if even 50 people (if even 10...) with the right enthusiasm and interest made the transition, it would work. not having to worry about profit and endless growth on a finite planet makes things soooooooo much easier.

lately i've spent a lot of time on a ...digital space...(not exactly a messageboard, but not social media either since you can't "follow" and you can't "like" and there aren't any notifications) that a friend started. it's mostly 20 people who post. it's fucking fantastic. i'm sure a lot of people reading this, maybe most, also have small-scale messageboard or digital communities that they take part in, so you get it.

so much about this world is about getting larger, scaling, making money, profiting, with hundreds of thousands of people gathering together in one place to feel the thrill of proving others to be wrong about stuff. i understand trying to replace old twitter with some sort of functional equivalent, and i do enjoy, or at least enjoyed, being able to use twitter as a way to get perspectives from very smart people every time something incredibly complicated and bad happens in the world. i bet some rich asshole will figure out a way to do it again and get all the geniuses who are never wrong (and if they were wrong, they were wrong in the most genius lateral way you would never be able to think of) to get back on the platform. but perhaps people will start migrating back to smaller digital communities where you get rewarded for making others feel good instead of feeling bad.

tl;dr i still use the big platforms, they're useful for some things, but i have heavy respect for the local or topic-specific small-scale internet communities because they tend to be about feeling good rather than feeling bad

xp lag00n that's an excellent idea

not interested in just a music site, the ultimate goal is to not have it be about music. Id just use that to build an initially community and get discussion going. But as people were enjoying it they'd talk about other topics and invite their friends and then I'd put facebook out of business.

Happy to have it start as a small community (no choice obv!), I just didn't like any of the out of the box solutions to building one. I've looked at a lot since the pandemic started and I first wanted to do this.

👍👍

imo just read a book instead

write like hearts next to parts you like then show them to someone

Def

what's wrong with ilxor.com?

someone on bluesky said they were following 700 people on there and there were like 10 new posts every day

i will tell them follow ned

tell them to take the sub down to the sea floor then open the hatch

Ned is a key part of the bluesky experience

https://www.garbageday.email/p/duplicate-infiltrate-and-undermine

This newfound interest in Twitter as an influence network culminated in 2022, when Musk first announced he wanted to build a Twitter substitute (duplicate), before, in April, instead, offering to buy it (infiltrate). After his announcement, his phone started blowing up with texts from powerful folks in both tech and politics, including one still unknown sender who literally outlined a four step plan for reinventing Twitter that could basically be condensed down into “undermine, infiltrate, undermine, duplicate.”

Texts from an unknown sender, from discovery in the Elon Musk/Twitter suit. https://t.co/nxbqGBQiog pic.twitter.com/RbOImEl50M

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 20, 2022

As you can see, the assumption was that users and, more importantly, advertisers would stick around as Musk cannibalized Twitter. And now we know they haven’t. Users are fleeing, especially the important ones, and advertisers are finally beginning to move on, as well. This text is only part of the conversation, but it’s extremely funny that nowhere amid this supervillain monologue was it ever questioned if Twitter would continue to even be relevant as it transformed into Gab. Perhaps Musk didn’t have the “savvy cultural/political view” to pull it off.

Don't bother making your own social media, just make a discord or something

there used to be a social media platform called Ning that you could use to spin up a community-based site, but I think they went away and also they sucked. but it was not a bad idea.

oh, they do still exist. I wonder if anyone uses it though

as Cass Elliott said, Make Your Own Kind of Social Media

if you want to make the killer new social app you gotta build it yourself with the design-functionality being a deep expression of the idea of what it is, except you might be able to make some sort of twitter clone right now for particular reasons lol

i kinda think the era of pure social media is over tho, which doesnt mean social features wont live on, like tiktok has the famous like button but its more of a place to consume professionalish videos than a place for social posting

instagram is much more like tiktok than it once was and so forth

Nationalise Social Media

So the plan was, Let's turn Twitter into an online nest of Nazis a place that non-Nazis want to use?

dan an interesting idea for building a new social network is to make the letterboxed of x, ie devoted to one topic and designed around that particularly rather than just copying facebook, like a letterboxed post is a review, idk what you would do particularly for music but itd be worth thinking through, prob someone has already made one, but ive never heard of it so it hasnt caught on

― lag∞n, Tuesday, December 12, 2023 11:59 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

There are some aspects of Letterboxd that I'm sure some see as shortcomings (e.g. no DMs) but that heavily contribute to it being the only social media thing I use at all anymore outside of ILX. Like you have to cultivate relationships out in the open by engaging with other people's output.

I like that.

does anyone else get the thing where Twitter just seems too start sending you random Japanese crap at certain times? last three evenings have been Japanese cats, then Bento boxes, and tonight Japanese fishing, post after post of Japanese fishing

【リーフエッジの攻防】ロッドを曲げたのは猛者「コクハンアラ」https://t.co/9GTsHDRcku

【タックルデータ】
ロッド:BC4 6.10XH(Fishman)
リール:OCEA CONQUEST LIMITED 301HG(SHIMANO)
アングラー:照屋聖太 pic.twitter.com/fMZtRtrGE6

— Fishman (@Fishman_BC) December 12, 2023

Fishman

holyyyshit ... .. fiiiiiiiiiissssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh

Yeah I've looked at Ning and dozens of other things like that. They're all terrible.

"A Blake Masters type"

It's kind of fascinating to watch this real-time disintegration of social media sites. It's like a visual depiction of a decline into senility.

Except that it's intentional.

I mean, yeah, the overall demolition project is intentional, but I'm talking more about the incidental, entropic fallout of that project. I'm assuming that Elon didn't necessarily intend to direct users to a slew of Japanese fishing tweets for absolutely no reason.

Elon more into Japanese fisting tweets

All links stopped working on X — can anyone tell me if that’s a feature people use pic.twitter.com/2dKuPIijKt

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) December 13, 2023

would join Dan’s social media site

Loooool

https://bsky.app/profile/cooperlund.bsky.social/post/3kgh6nrsaoc2d

xpost, that's one. Thanks.

oops xp

I'm confused about bluesky. I go there and I just see mostly posts from one person. Her posts, here reposts, her comments. I can't tell if she's just THAT much more post crazy than everybody else I follow or if blue sky decided I need to mostly see her content at the expense of everybody else.