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Looks like they have decided to treat broadband enabled pcs as devices that can recieve a TV broadcast

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5081350.stm

― Ian Merrrington (Mezza), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

when does a program stop being 'streamed' and become 'archived' given that they are making a distinction between the two. a day? 10 minutes? 10 seconds?

not a problem here as i've had my own licence for years despite probably being covered by other licences (ie in shared properties). if they ever start charging per device, as they have mentioned in the past, then i'll be stuffed. 8(

― koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Its harsh on the people who use their broadband PC as a way of entertaining themselves without owning a TV, are the bbc going to offer someway of restricting the streaming so that you can in effect opt out?

Also for all the business that require broadband to operate, are they going to need a licence per building.

― Merrini (Mezza), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

if you have a monochrome monitor would it be only £44 for your PC?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

what's the fine these days? i remember it being ridiculously high when i was in GB.

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's in the first sentence of that link!

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah this will really fuck me up if they end up targeting home users with the capacity to watch streamed TV, even if they're not watching it. I don't have a TV but I do have broadband - but there's no way I'm paying over £100 a year for something I don't use!

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

are they going to "rebrand" / rename the TV license - to what though?

the key point with broadband:

"need a licence to watch any TV station broadcasting within the UK on your computer."

If you watch a live broadcast via broadband on your computer - then you need a license

If you have Broadband but.. don't watch a live broadcast, and don't have a TV then you don't need a license. You can still

However, you are free to watch archived programmes or downloadable clips without a licence.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes but how are they going to check? And how can I prove I haven't watched live?

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

a possible future scenario is that the TV license comes with a unique PIN security number, that you need to login to watch live broadcasts on the BBC via broadband?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes but how are they going to check? And how can I prove I haven't watched live?

strage that these questions are not part of their FAQ...

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

By the year 2020, Archel they will wire you up to a lie detector every 12 months ! or you will have to register your IP address under a fascist regime connected with ID cards !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Well having no TV will clearly mark me out as a dangerous non-conformist anyway and I'll be under 24 hour surveillance.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

By the year 2020, Archel they will wire you up to a lie detector every 12 months ! or you will have to register your IP address under a fascist regime connected with ID cards !

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― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Thursday, 15 June 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What else can I watch on exciting P2P television? (I can watch the news from Spain.)

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 16 June 2006 06:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Anybody try out Chris TV Online yet? (800 TV channels and 600 radio stations, it says here)

(got a mail about this last week because I use one of their other apps with my TV card)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 16 June 2006 06:28 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...

"you need a tv licence to use any television receiving equipment such as a tv set.....computers or mobile phones"

am i correct in understand that if i own a mobile phone or a computer, i must pay a tv licence? i dont know how to watch tv on a computer or a telephone, and have no interest in doing so, but that doesn't mean i couldn't right? so thats why i have to pay?

― 688, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

bleep bleep bloop

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:02 (seventeen years ago) link

No, you only need a TV licence if you are using the phone etc as a receiving station on which you will watch TV.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

& the mobile operators still haven't got their sh*t together to even be capable of doing that yet, i thought

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

At this BBC thing yesterday a device was mentioned which sounded pretty amazing. Apparently you stick it into the back of your TV and it beams some kind of signal to your interweb, meaning that wherever you are in the world, you can watch, via your computer, whatever's being shown on your TV (I guess your pc acts as a remote control too).

― Mark C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

this seems like as good a place to ask as any: do any uk mac folks have any experiences with elgato's usb antenna thingamajig? it looks tempting.

― ^@^, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

sounds like a slingbox, mark, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingbox

― Alan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

the Elgato thing is supposed to work great but i would rather watch TV on a TV. where it might completely rule is in conjunction with a video iPod, if you're into that kind of thing?

FYI the BBC iPlayer test has hit some snags and is delayed, but wider tests should be coming very soon. for that i want some kind of reverse slingbox, to watch stuff i've downloaded on my TV, wirelessly (without having to stream it through iTunes).

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not really a fan of the whole Slingbox idea. I can't think of many times where I'm at a computer away from home and wish I could beam what's on my TV at home to it. A mobile device, maybe, but price/bandwidth issues, plus on a tiny screen I'm more likely to watch short content purposed for it.

I'm much more a fan of Slingbox's cousin, the Slingcatcher, which does it in reverse: streams whatever you've collected on your computer to your TV. It seems like it's going to work the way Apple TV should but doesn't.

― Alba, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

ok so forget the telephone thing

if my computer is capable to playing a television programme, i have to pay a licence? i guess most computers are televisions now too?

― 688, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a nice little device that acts as an external USB2 hard disk when attached to a computer, but is a standalone media player that plays out through SCART or composite or component. the remote lets you navigate through the folder structure and plays xvid, divx and a number of other formats (inc stuff ripped from DVD). about 140 quid. it's sort of anonymously branded so i don't have a name for you sorry

― Alan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

googling "media player 160gb scart" gives me this

http://whatthehellis.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/160-gb-hard-drive-media-player-plays-divx/

110 quid at maplin. it's the same device with another brand label on it!

― Alan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey - that looks good. My mate at work bought a similar player for £50 that's a 1GB flash-based thing, which he transfers stuff onto whenever he wants to watch it, but it's USB, not USB2, so it takes longer than copying to a CD and playing it on a DivX compatible DVD player, like I do.

The only worry I'd have with those sorts of things is that they won't keep pace with new codecs (I suppose you could get firmware updates?). The Slingcatcher is dependent on your computer for the decoding and is just a neutral video-out streaming device, which seems a better plan.

Anyway, I'll have to stick with my burning discs method for the moment, as I only have slow wireless (and Firewire, not USB 2, for that matter). And when I upgrade I'll probably get a laptop, so I may just end up getting a lead and plugging it straught into the TV. Wireless shmireless.

― Alba, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i thought about the updated codecs problem too. i don't see any way to do any sort of update.

odd thing is the remote control on the device has volume + and volume – the WRONG WAY AROUND (+ – not – +) even though the on-screen volume bar is std minimum at the left.

this might be a deal breaker for many :-D

― Alan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Indeed.

if my computer is capable to playing a television programme, i have to pay a licence? i guess most computers are televisions now too?

It's not about playing them. It's about receiving them. If you don't have a TV tuner card, then don't worry.

― Alba, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

what is this tv tuner card? presumably they dont come as standard then?

thanks,
tuomas

― 688, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

What if you have a TV tuner card but you don't use it?

(this is moot, as I also have three TVs, but just saying, like?)

― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

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