the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

oh no!

House Republican: Jeffrey Epstein flight logs not released because colleagues would be ‘compromised’

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/dec/23/reptim-burchett-jeffrey-epstein-flight-logs-not-re/

wait... is this a very republican news site?

it’s run by the moonies iirc

I'm not convinced that showing up on this list will hurt republican politicians.

“I was going undercover.”

the ones that don't turn up on it will be mocked by their peers for being impoverished out-of-the-loop schmucks

oh well, at least Peter Mandelson is in the winners club

My mom said there are abundant rumors in Ohio that the gov (R) had been an associate. if voters buy the “I was going undercover” farce or any categorical denials, I’ll be shocked. Would love to see that old timey smug asshead go down.

My mom said there are abundant rumors in Ohio that the gov (R) had been an associate. if voters buy the “I was going undercover” farce or any categorical denials, I’ll be shocked. Would love to see that old timey smug asshead go down.

Oops sorry for dupe

Supposedly just being on the flight log isn't automatically incriminating (he would fly people to/from places as a favor) and the real shit is whether they went to the island.

I believe anyone who was in these records could ask to have their name redacted, right? which means I assume that anyone of note has done that.

For someone who purports to be extremely righteous (aka aforementioned gov) it would be seen pretty badly to have “even” accepted favors from Jeffrey Epstein

Gimme all those lists pls

So is this list actually out now or is it just a bunch of pre-hype?

they gave me the list

Is my name on it

i looked at the a-z list in the wall street journal and its weird to see woody allen and noam chomsky together like that but none of the tidbits seemed all that incriminating.

well, there was the one guy who gave epstein millions of dollars and that whole thing seemed fishy but who knows...

oh and also the part about possibly trying to blackmail bill gates...i didn't know about that one.

weird to see woody allen and noam chomsky together like that

lol wasn't Chomsky's defense "I watched a Woody Allen movie with the guy, big deal"?

Was it Manhattan?

chomsky's defense to the WSJ a few weeks ago was extremely defensive, basically "it's none of your business" which doesn't reflect very well on him so I have no doubt that blowhard was up to shit

yeah i read that he was claiming he took a short 30 minute flight from NY to Boston (the length of the flight matters?!) with an artist (Woody Allen -- as if his artistry has anything to do with this situation?) For someone who has spent his life arguing, his arguments are extremely weak.

what can you in thirty minutes that you can't in five, I always ask

using woody allen as your alibi for being involved in a pedo ring is, pretty dubious lol

easy to see why epstein might be interested in consulting with the guy who literally wrote the book on manufacturing consent tbf

Clinton also a pro in that regard

xp

lool

i think it was just pure starfucking, get a bunch of celebrities in a room, who cares is one of them is a critic of the ruling class if hes famous

then of course he had his core business the details of which i would really like to know, suspect most of these guys were not involved in that, but some were, obvs not every rich guy wants to be part of your pedo ring so you have to meet a lot of them to find the right ones

the one thing that could be interesting and not just mortifying is if some of the associates in this list don't make any sense given the narrative that Epstein was just a money manager who had some side hustle of connecting influential people for charitable and political purposes

nothing in his bio makes sense unless it's pure "hey, this guy acts like my buddy so I'll help him out" junk up until he's actually controlling money and then is the extremely creepy guy doing the same buddy-buddy crap to hobnob with celebrity and influence. maybe that was it! who the hell knows

pedo stuff aside epstein was doing things normal rich and famous people things i think is part of what made it work, theres a bunch of vague influence brokers out there, like ftx invested hundreds of million in this fund that wasnt really a fund it was more a collection of celebrities, sam bankman fried was super stoked that they could get him in the room with katy perry and bill clinton

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/technology/sam-bankman-fried-celebrity-friends.html

all these big name harvard and mit professors being bewildered by the fact that anyone cares that they were on epsteins jet speaks to the fact that theyre always being flown around to various vanity conferences and whatnot by rich guys who they dont know or really care about prob

the only really on-the-record thing that's weird, other than a lot of innuendo (although still kind of just innuendo) involving all the really high-profile people who were tied to prior shady shit would be

In 2017 "a former senior White House official" reported that Alexander Acosta, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case in 2008, had stated to Trump transition interviewers, that "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to 'leave it alone'", and that Epstein was "above his pay grade".

xp yeah, exactly. I think he was mostly seen as a somewhat creepy influence peddler and wasn't doing blatant crimes unless he thought people in the room were also gross

the fact that he always had young women around him and had been convicted of sex crimes and no one cared is somewhat troubling

Acosta was the dean of my university's law school ftr

security footage of his last prison visitors luckily no longer "on the record"

ditto his hard drives

Iirc Chomsky also claimed that he sought financial advice from Epstein. If he’s such an intellectual genius, why wouldn’t he use a less clownish more businesslike financial advisor?

I get that they’re flown to vanity conferences by unknown entities and that they don’t care. To me there is no excuse for not knowing who you’re dealing with when you’re in a public facing role. Not caring is a sign of bad character. Therefore you cannot squeak away unscathed sir. The excuses are astonishing to me.

having heard from a friend who nearly got a job working for a small-time financial advisor and some other anecdotal evidence, I don't think that is a job that lends well to being businesslike and low drama

either you know what the market knows and you're just spending time to stay on top of things and make deals intelligently, or you're doing shady stuff. people with tons of money don't want to spend time delving into things and having a goofy guy who shmoozes you (again, gross) while ensuring money goes up is basically where the bar is set

it sounds like Epstein was actually pretty good at the finance bit, for all that entails

fwiw I'm plagiarizing some sentiments there from the If Books Could Kill podcast re: finance

I get that they’re flown to vanity conferences by unknown entities and that they don’t care. To me there is no excuse for not knowing who you’re dealing with when you’re in a public facing role. Not caring is a sign of bad character. Therefore you cannot squeak away unscathed sir. The excuses are astonishing to me.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, January 2, 2024 12:17 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

to be clear im of this opinion too, the whole situation is completely corrupt

it sounds like Epstein was actually pretty good at the finance bit, for all that entails

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, January 2, 2024 12:25 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

my understanding is that he wasnt actually doing finance, like he didnt have any finance people working for him, they havent been able to find anyone who did trades with him

using woody allen as your alibi for being involved in a pedo ring is, pretty dubious lol

yeah this is the bit that made me think we're living in a simulation

i don't know if "they're not a paedophile they just enjoyed the company of paedophiles" would've been thought of as a great defence of character once upon a time

Is this list actually out?

that list in full:

https://i.imgur.com/KJJOKTS.jpeg

I guess what I mean by “good at finance” is that people let him manage money and paid him to do so to be clear

I concur re: LL’s sentiment, just don’t associate with gross people

im sayin theres no evidence he actually managed money, he mightve just been acting as the victorias secret guys very highly paid pimp, or blackmailing him or something in between

Epstein arranged several meetings in 2015 and 2016 with the author and political activist, while he was a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

When asked about his relationship with Epstein, Chomsky replied in an email: “First response is that it is none of your business. Or anyone’s. Second is that I knew him and we met occasionally.”

In 2015, Epstein planned to fly with Chomsky and his wife to have dinner with them and movie director Woody Allen and his wife, Soon-Yi Previn, the documents show.

“If there was a flight, which I doubt, it would have been from Boston to New York, 30 minutes,” Chomsky said. “I’m unaware of the principle that requires that I inform you about an evening spent with a great artist.”

In response to questions from the Journal, Chomsky confirmed that he received a March 2018 transfer of roughly $270,000 from an Epstein-linked account. He said it was “restricted to rearrangement of my own funds, and did not involve one penny from Epstein.”

Chomsky explained that he asked Epstein for help with a “technical matter” that he said involved “a simple, quick, transfer of funds.”

that's the full WSJ thing that i read.