Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

my son was 7 when they started doing active shooter drills and it kind of messed him up, for a month he was asking about strangers entering the school, if there were any "bad guys" where we lived, he even told me once he wanted to bring a gun of his own so he could shoot the bad guy and protect his sister (you see Republicans, you have the same logical capabilities as a 7 year old). he started getting up at night and locking all the doors in the house. and I can't even say "maybe these drills do more harm than good" because there's still a nonzero chance that could save his life one day. it just fucking sucks so much.

It's just disheartening and infuriating to watch it repeat over and over and over again and knowing that nothing is ever going to change because so many people in positions of power simply don't care.

It's fine Hunt3r, I'm not offended, I get that it wasn't a helpful post. But it came from the intensity of my impotent rage about this issue and I don't really regret it. Raging and swearing doesn't change anything either, but I don't know, I somehow feel it's important to remember this isn't normal and we shouldn't expect it to just be a part of life. Other than donating to causes like Everytown and voting for local and national candidates that actually do care about righting this, I feel powerless about something so fundamentally fucked up that we (meaning American society) has just casually let happen.

"have just casually let happen", that should be

he even told me once he wanted to bring a gun of his own so he could shoot the bad guy and protect his sister (you see Republicans, you have the same logical capabilities as a 7 year old)

It would seem to me that your son's reaction is the exact desired one, in this case

active shooter drills:

- there is no evidence they work (literally none!)
- there is tons of evidence they are incredibly harmful
- they protect against something that happens once every 6000 years at a given school (i know this thread is revived too often, but it's important to remember how rare these things are when you're making a decision that involves trade offs, e.g. many hours of lost schooling, traumatizing toddlers, etc.),

i don't think they're *designed* to militarize and traumatize kids so they think guns are part of life. they happen in too many liberal states for that to make sense (e.g. NY requires four per year! more than any other state). they're just a completely deranged and shameful "we must do *something*" response. (and they also happen to be very profitable for the people that consult on them and run them.)

our school tells us when they will be, and we have the luxury of keeping our kids home (6 and 3! can you imagine 3 year olds doing this?!) i think we're technically breaking the law when we do this.

there was an attempt in the NY assembly last year to reduce the number to 1 per year and allow parents to opt out, but it got tied up in the usual venal legislative bs.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/14/iowa-principal-school-shooting-died-00135533

Several people shot at New York City subway station, police say

Police spokesperson could not immediately say how many people were shot or the extent of their injuries
Associated Press
Mon 12 Feb 2024 18.03 EST

Several people were shot Monday at a New York City subway station, police said.

The shooting was reported about 4.38pm.

A police spokesperson could not immediately say how many people were shot, the extent of their injuries or whether anyone was in custody.

The station is in the Bronx, at the intersection of Mount Eden and Jerome Avenues.

Video from television news helicopters showed a subway train stopped at the station and orange evidence cones on the elevated platform.

Also this one I heard on the radio this morning. Too few to qualify as mass shooting, but strange in its own right. Occurred at J03l 05t33n's mega-church. And the female shooter's 7 yr old son was shot in the head, likely by the guards there since the shooter came in with him.

https://news.yahoo.com/woman-opened-fire-joel-osteens-145458078.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Texas is the reason

Police believe Moreno legally purchased the AR-15 in December.

Authorities have not released a motive for the shooting. Hassig said Moreno had a "mental health history"

Osteen's reaction to this was genuinely creepy and inhuman, he was smirking through the whole thing

the shooting was during the Spanish language service, which was probably a relief to him

Comments on that Yahoo story are an ... adventure.

the piece itself is almost unintelligible? it’s like an ai “tell me about an imaginary mass shooting in tx.”

i know “rules” about pronouns and consistent organization and organized narrative and like that have changed, but it was like trying to interpret yr nightmare images after waking, with identities changing within sequences and time order shuffled or something. whose kid? who died? wait who the fuck? huh?

Yeah, I noticed there were no pronouns used in the first story, but a note that the shooter sometimes used the alias "Jeffrey." I skimmed the second story and saw some "shes."

Up to 10 victims injured in shooting near Chiefs parade, fire department says

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting-02-14-24/index.html

But of course, the Chiefs won so let's shoot at the crowd

...officials now confirming 22 have been injured with nine of them believed to be children.

JFC

Oh god

the Osteen church shooter's kid does not sound like he is going to have any quality of life, if he lives (lost most of his frontal lobe; no one knows yet if she shot him or he was shot by the police).

I noticed there were no pronouns used in the first story, but a note that the shooter sometimes used the alias "Jeffrey." I skimmed the second story and saw some "shes."

yeah initial reports on social media in awful places seemed to be 'shooter was trans!' but it does not appear to be the case; shooter was apparently schizophrenic.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/us/lakewood-church-shooting-child-victim-injury/index.html

Yesterday near Monterey, Cal. Four dead in drive-by, reasons unknown.

https://www.ksbw.com/article/1-victim-shot-in-king-city-was-celebrating-california-birthday-killed/60085162]

the city of brotherly love

Seven bystanders were injured on Wednesday in a shooting involving a Philadelphia city bus, authorities said, the fourth gunfire incident on the transit system in as many days.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/shooting-philadelphia-bus-seven-people-injured

Philadelphia is the poorest city of its size in the United States. Northeast and Rhawnhurst areas near where that incident took place are notoriously rough, with shitty transit options and few social services and community hubs.

I mention this not to excuse this sort of violence, which is reprehensible, but to say that I think it arrives from different social conditions than a lot of spree shootings that have been discussed in this thread.

That’s also the 4th shooting on a Philadelphia bus this week.

Yeah, and none of them can be separated from the social conditions within Philadelphia. I’ve helped bury kids shot in gang beefs, trust me I know what the stakes are and what’s going on in the city where I live.

A guy in Toronto fired at pro-Palestine protesters the other day. With a nail gun. Nobody injured. So glad we don’t have our equivalent of the 2nd Amendment. Yet.

3 dead in Levittown, shooter on the run

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/breaking-suspect-sought-multiple-killed-levittown-shooting/3805011/

Every time this thread is revived I despair.

Seven children, ages 12 to 17, wounded in Indianapolis mass shooting

“Once again, we have a situation in which young people are resolving conflict with firearms, and it has to stop,” said the deputy chief of the Indianapolis metropolitan police department, Tanya Terry.

no one died, so the NYT didn't bother mentioning it. tbf, there have been over 100 mass shootings so far this year; guess you can't cover them all

For once this thread is not being updated because a shooting just happened (though one probably did)

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-10-years-00151367

still find it troubling that a 15 year old who was clearly displaying serious mental health issues would get life without parole

otm.

The article doesn’t include the most chilling evidence: the text they sent to the kid when they heard news reports of the shooting, saying basically “this isn’t you is it?”. That pushes it over from just “tragic mistakes

Mean to finish: pushes it over the line from “tragic mistakes by parents trying to do their best” to “yeah these are shitty people indirectly responsible for slaughter.”

Apologies if this has come up before, but I was just wondering today - any of y'all know your mass shooter number? It's like a Kevin Bacon number, except instead of measuring how many degrees you're separated from Kevin Bacon, it's how many degrees you're separated from a mass shooter. I figure with all the mass shooters out there, it's harder not for it enter into our lives in a personal way.

I just found out my mass shooter number is 2. I already knew it was three at least two different ways, both through my QPP. Her dad knew Brenda Spencer, you know, the "I Don't Like Mondays" shooter (I fucking hate that song BTW). And my QPP had a couple of cousins who were there when that guy who shot up that San Diego high school in '01. My QPP went to the other San Diego high school.

Anyway this lady I know, I just found out that she was rooming with a neo-Nazi who did a mass shooting in '22. I'm not... surprised? Not because she's a neo-Nazi - very much the opposite. More like, you know, this is how the world is these days. Is my experience, like, normal? I don't know what "normal" is these days. My life didn't used to be like this. I run into so much incredibly fucked up shit, on a daily basis.

Not sure what number this would be, but the guy who shot Gabby Giffords was from the neighborhood I grew up in. He lived on the same street my best friend lived on, but years after I moved away.

my brother's former friend is a wannabe alex jones who was "embedded" w/r1ttenhouse and his crew of larpers in Kenosha.

i met someone who caught a bullet in the Las Vegas music festival massacre, which isn't the same thing.

as noted before i drove by the Seal Beach massacre scene just after it occurred, as the police were first showing up and blocking the road, before the guy got caught.

closest for me would be that I'm kinda still friends with Brendan Dassey's half brother

that does remind me of a bizarre piece of trivia though - theres a widely used sports reaction gif involving a Jaguars fan, if you just Google "Jaguars fan reaction gif" you'll find it. apparently that guy was classmates with the Columbine shooters. there's a class photo and you can spot all 3 of them if you look close enough. small world I guess.

i fucking love meme trivia

here's one i learned today: the lady from the Math Lady meme came out as bisexual last year at age 76

"now we know what she was trying to figure out" - vaspider

probably a better thread for this but idk what it is

that's not Julia Roberts??

I know a woman who lives on the same block that Sirhan Sirhan grew up on (she moved there long after he was jailed). His brother continued to live there after the shooting, and may still be there.

(xpost) it doesn't even look like julia roberts unless you are thinking of something else

yes I think sirhan's brother still lives in the same place. I read or heard an extensive piece on him several years ago. he is very well liked in his neighborhood from what I recall

Math Lady looks like a TV actress I can never place

Either 2 or 3 from one or both of the Columbine shooters..

I don't think I have any real connection to any mass murderers or shooters. The only one I can think of is the student I had who went to Parkland, but was having their wisdom teeth removed on the day of the shooting. Good timing, I guess.

Math Lady looks like a TV actress I can never place

― papal hotwife (milo z)

she's definitely a tv actress. Renata Sorrah played Nazaré Tedesco, one of the best-known Brazilian telenovela villains, in 2004's "Senhora do Destino".

Am I the only one who thinks doing six degrees to fucking mass murderers is a wee bit tasteless? :/

Australian culture can't understand it.

Speaking of, two stabbing incidencts in as many days in sydney. First with 7 dead and second in a church.

Am I the only one who thinks doing six degrees to fucking mass murderers is a wee bit tasteless? :/

no, it is frankly bizarre.

but perhaps a better way to discuss it is...these are terrible events that happen with increasing frequency, and are likely to closely impact more and more of us as time goes on. not the shooters in particular, but the victims and the events, certainly.