Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

Maybe the judo move is to make a pro Trump ad of him saying awful things against his own party.

Hell, run ads showcasing Hunter Biden's junk that end with a dare for Eric and Don Jr. to show off theirs

I think it has to be a push/pull between 'Trump bad, Biden good'... but when there is actual, recent footage of Trump saying he's proud of overturning Roe v. Wade, by God, use it

I had called it an xp but now I think "Yum, drywall" is going to be my default response to everything from now on. Tasty tasty drywall, lol we are doomed, lol nothing matters

The modern GOP was created by and wholly owned by the 1%, who have created this population of id-driven monsters in order to win elections so they can cling to wealth and power. Now they are discovering that their creation no longer fully obeys them, large parts have fastened their allegiance to fascist usurpers, who recently discovered that they can hijack the party and get to drive the vehicle like joy-riding delinquents.

The 1% haven't entirely woken to the extent of this danger because the extremely wealthy find it impossible to believe that they aren't the undisputed masters any more. Our new fascist politicos will be happy to share power with the 1% -- right up to the day when they can seize it all and the 1% find out they no longer call the tune.

Our best hope is to outnumber the id-driven multitude election by election, because this unholy marriage of wealth to the crazies is not going anywhere anytime soon.

As Habba hammered on about the sexual commentary on Carroll’s social media accounts (the former Elle columnist has written about sex and relationships for years), questioning took a turn for the absurd.

“Ms Carroll, what does this say: ‘What CAN be done about the penis? It gets large when you want it small, and stays small when you want it large,’” Habba asked, showing a 2013 tweet. “Those were your words, correct?”

“Yes,” Carroll said.

“And you posted them on a public social media account?”

“Yes.”

“And you left that on your Twitter account as we stand here today, correct?”

Carroll answered in the affirmative.

Pressed to explain the tweet, Carroll said: “It’s a philosophical question.”

“Sometimes a woman doesn’t feel like making love and the man wants to,” Carroll explained, adding that sometimes it’s the reverse.

“You discussed penises?” Habba said.

Carroll said: “Yes.”

some incredible lawyering by Habba, also when it was stated that Carroll now sleeps with a gun after the sexual assault by Trump, Habba asked if she has a licence for the gun.

uh

Carroll's lawyer: Your Honor, I belive we're done with our evidence - but give us the break first.
Judge Kaplan: OK, ten minutes.
Jury leaves.
Carroll's lawyer: They intend to call Mr. Trump, then Ms. Martin.

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

"Mr. Trump is precluded from offering any testimony, evidence or argument suggesting or implying that he did not sexually assault Ms. Carroll, that she fabricated her account of the assault, or that she had any motive to do so," Kaplan wrote in a ruling Jan. 9.

Trump has given no indication he plans to stick to Kaplan's guidelines. Asked about his testimony before the trial started, he told reporters, “I’m going to explain I don’t know who the hell she is.”

lol Trump's defense is that Carroll tweeted a joke about penises

he's just a humongous piece of shit. who gets to try and further humiliate the person he raped and harassed and get cheered on for it.

He's the most humongous piece of shit.

Habba is also a piece of shit

A very interesting interview with the courtroom sketch artist from the current trial.

KABAS: The subject you're drawing is one of the most famous people in the world, and he stirs up a lot of emotions. What’s it like capturing someone who is such an emotional trigger for people?

CORNELL: You know, his face is—everybody knows it. And he has about three expressions: One is just implacable. You don't know what the heck is going on. The other is angry, and the other is a smug smile.

The thing that's most curious to me about him is that I think he's so in his own world that he doesn't have any receptiveness to other people in his face. It's mask-like. And it's obvious when he goes out to talk to the press after any hearings and he says always the same thing, almost like he's got a teleprompter in front of him, and nothing anybody says to him is of any interest to him. They can just clamor like a howling wind, but he's not going to respond to any of it. He's really unto himself.

It's not just about Trump, though. What she says about the business of being a freelance courtroom sketch artist (she gets hired by news channels; she doesn't work for the court) is fascinating too.

Kaplan is basically not-very-disguisedly pissed off at Trump's lawyers

Habba: They have opened the door on the Reid Hoffman issue - they asked about George Soros and the DNC - the door is open --
Judge Kaplan: The door is closed. Let's bring in the jury.

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

Open the door, let 'em innn

xxp She makes him, and most of the other participants, look fairly grotesque, if not monstrous.

Carroll's lawyer's name is Roberta Kaplan, the judge is Judge Kaplan.

$5 says Trump falsely claims they're married and judge biased after trial

Nah, he'll go big and say that they're the same person somehow.

prosecuted and judged by a woke hermaphrodite

Pounded in the butt by a Woke Judge's Doppelganger

Habba: Were you concerned for safety?
Martin: On some levels. And for my daughter.
Habba: Did you tell Ms. Carroll?
Martin: Yes.
Habba: How?
Judge Kaplan: Is this a hypothetical question?
Habba: Text, or in person - that was my question
Judge Kaplan: No it wasn't

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

hoping Kaplan closes procedures by saying "Damages are awarded in the amount of $x to the plaintiff. Habba...Nagila."

ladies and gentlemen, AN OPEN GOAL

Martin: After the NYT podcast there was interest.. There was a Harvey Weinstein sidebar... Not just E. Jean, but others as well.
Habba: Did you think Ms. Carroll was enjoying the attention?
Martin: At points.
Habba: Ms. Martin, what does narcissism mean to you?

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

(last tweet share, I know ya'll can read the thread on your own or follow online, but that one was too rich)

this is a damages trial, yet she's trying to actually argue the merits of Trump's guilt, which has already been decided, and in fact, which has been given as a stipulation for why Trump can't talk about the merits of the case when he testifies. Habba seems to be trying to get the judge to vacate his previous decision, which.....LOL

"Habba is also a piece of shit"

She got in with Trump by grooming one of his employees who was sexually harassed by her boss and then after gaining her confidence + trust she tricked her into signing some bullshit waiver that meant she'd recieve next to nothing in damages and then she stopped talking to her. She's a hideous piece of shit.

sorry, one more...lmao

Judge Kaplan: Objection sustained.
Habba: But you have shared Ms. Carroll's private messages?
Martin: I really don't remember.
Habba: Do you see that you sent this to--
Judge Kaplan: Sustained. You are reading a document not in evidence

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) January 25, 2024

i have no clue what the angle is w/ this questioning

it's a performance for Trump and gives them something to complain about later

ostensibly it's to lower the damages by suggesting that Carroll is not really in emotional distress and is milking this for attention, but I doubt it worked.

Habba is objecting to every statement Carroll makes in cross now.

xp - otm, this way he can shriek later about how the CROOKED and CORRUPT judge LOSER in this RIGGED WITCH HUNT wouldn't allow his lawyers to present a defense, and the rubes will believe him

thing is though the guilt has already been decided, this is degrees of damages, so that ship already sailed

yes, but they have plenty of extreme ignorant and gullible people ready to believe whatever they say

she has no joke objected to every statement Carroll's attorney has made, all have been overruled except one that was sidebarred and I don't know what was decided.

xpost I don't care about these people

ok? what's your point? there are many millions of them, they will do everything they can to get him back into power again, and constructing an alternate reality is essential to making that happen

Trump obviously cares more about his narrative than the court's judgement. Otherwise he could easily shut the fuck up.

thing is though the guilt has already been decided, this is degrees of damages, so that ship already sailed

I was just echoing Moodles point, facts won't stop him from screeching about how unfair it is. His lawyer knows her objections are bullshit, but she needs to help push that narrative of him being treated DEEPLY UNFAIRLY.

ok? what's your point? there are many millions of them, they will do everything they can to get him back into power again, and constructing an alternate reality is essential to making that happen

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:49 PM bookmarkflaglink

what's YOUR point? I'm not interested in riding this puke-encrusted ferris wheel again, it's been 7 years

his devoted followers didn't get him the election in 2016, duped Independents and Democrats did. and they fled in 2020. the people to target in 2024 are those same Independents to make sure they don't swing back to his side. nobody should give a fuck about his damn base

(not directed at you, Jon, just Moodles's point)

sometimes defeat is defeat

I think I was pretty clear: they do this stuff to prop up Trump and give them grievances to air out to the press and public. It's not going to do a single thing to help them in this trial, but not best way to look at these tactics is from a political POV rather than a legal one.

'tactics'

xxxp

I mean, that may well be true, I'm not trying to say this is a smart tactic or is going to win them the election, just that this is what they are attempting

and they fled in 2020.

Perhaps, but...

2016
62,985,106 votes

2020
74,224,319 votes

I, and the rest of this thread, know that, and we have known that for the last 7 years. this is why I'm talking about being bored of the discussion. we know there's an ulterior motive to everything he and his lawyers do. I don't see the need to bring it up. ever since he's been out of office (and hell, during his last few months in office), almost everything he's tried has failed.

however - it should be noted that his own lawyer can suffer professional consequences as many of his other lawyers have, and she should care about not doing things that could get her sanctioned.

xpost

2016

65,853,625 votes

2020

81,282,916 votes

why are we doing this

I don't disagree with you about the repetitiveness of it all Neando, but to be clear, I was responding to an actual question posed in this thread:

i have no clue what the angle is w/ this questioning

Wasn't implying that this was something to swing the election or mean anything outside his insular bubble, just explaining why this tactic is even in play. I think a direct answer to a direct question itt isn't unreasonable, despite how tired you personally may be of hearing about a particular angle.

This is the post I responding to:

i have no clue what the angle is w/ this questioning

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved)

apologies that you are bored with this discussion but time keeps marching forward

she might get sanctioned, she may not care, probably just angling for a spot in the cabinet or as a regular Fox commentator