Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

'our legal system is out of control' says the most litigious property developer in history

He'll raise money off this but will he raise $83M?

($83M more than he would have raised otherwise, I mean)

they were floating an idea in Florida to use taxpayer dollars to cover his legal fees - but DeSantis nixed it
Just insane that would be even be discussed

Dud all you want, but this outcome is pretty classic Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsMUxdZGgWI

Just hoping & praying that his seething, unrelenting anger is helping to shorten his lifespan

^ 100000%

Dud for not stomping out and muttering this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFQYw_MmAA

He's going to die on the toilet while we sleep tonight

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on the toilet the golden toilet the donald dies toniiiight

I think Trump would rather have his dick cut off than give up Trump Tower.

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trump sucks. i hate trump.

otm

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post is still there, guess he died

what a way to find out

yayyyyyy!

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I never paid much attention to the "Trump has tiny hands" thing before, always thought it was just a way to needle him, until I saw this pic from Monday. Seriously tiny hands!

not looking like a young 77 there.

otoh he does look like a man who fell under 91 indictments and has five teams of lawyers he consults with multiple times a day trying to figure out how he might wriggle out of all of them. and it's not looking so good.

Looking like Tom Wilkinson in Michael Clayton.

five teams of lawyers

He looks like a man proud of having five fingers.

xpost Too bad he doesn't look like Tom Wilkinson as he is today. Maybe he does.

Mitchell Epner has posted a long newsletter answering frequently asked questions about the Carroll verdict. Here is the most interesting stuff:

Can Donald Trump Delay Payment Of The $83.3 Million During An Appeal?

Yes, but only if he pays about $92 million into the Court in the next 30 days.

Under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 62, E. Jean Carroll is barred from trying to execute on the $83.3 million verdict for 30 days after the judgment is entered. During that time, Donald Trump can (a) file a notice of appeal and (b) seek to have the trial court stay execution of the judgment by “providing” (depositing) “a bond or other security.” In the SDNY, the Court typically requires deposit of 110% of the amount of the verdict.

For example, when Donald Trump appealed the $5 million verdict in 2023, he had to deposit $5.5 million into the court.

The purpose of the deposit is to take “credit risk” away from the appeal. When the money is deposited to the Court, it leaves the control of the defendant. Whoever wins the appeal will get the money. If E. Jean Carroll prevails on appeal, the Court would pay the money directly to her. If Trump were to prevail on appeal, the Court would return the money to him.

If Trump does not post the $92 million, he could still pursue an appeal, but that would not delay E. Jean Carroll from enforcing the judgment during the appeal. She could seize whatever funds are in any of Donald Trump’s bank accounts in any of the fifty states. She could also seize his personal property. She would have the assistance of county sheriffs, who would be required to seize his cars, paintings, etc and sell them at auction. In addition, she could place liens on any of his real estate. Most defendants prefer to post the security, rather than have their property seized.

How Long Will An Appeal Take?

Ordinarily, an appeal to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals would take about 18 months. Here, it is likely that the appeal of the $83.3 million 2024 verdict will be consolidated with Trump’s earlier appeal of the $5 million 2023 verdict. Trump filed his opening brief in November 2023.

Although it is possible that the Second Circuit will wait until after Election Day (November 5), in an ordinary case I would not be surprised if the Second Circuit issues its decision by October 2024.

Judge in real estate trial says damages verdict likely by Wednesday. Meanwhile, the person appointed to monitor Trump org sent a letter to the judge noting, despite cooperation, a bunch of omissions and inconsistencies. For example:

Of particular note, I discussed the springing loan previously disclosed as being between Donald J. Trump individually and Chicago Unit Acquisitions (an entity related to the Trump Chicago Tower) with the Trump Organization several times. When I inquired about this loan, I was informed that there are no loan agreements that memorialize the loan, but that it was a loan that was believed to be between Donald J. Trump, individually, and Chicago Unit Acquisition for $48 million. However, in recent discussions with the Trump Organization, it indicated that it has determined that this loan never existed - and thus that it would be removed from any upcoming forms submitted to the Office of Government Ethics and would also be removed from subsequent versions of the MAML.

it has determined that this loan never existed

hmmm. it's like that version of three card monte where a pea disappears under one of three shells, only in this case it's shell companies. maybe they should consult the Trump Organization's CFO, Allen Weisselberg. They should be able to find him since he was just sentenced to 5 months in jail.

Prediction: he will pay exactly nothing to anyone (including and especially his own lawyers).

Because *wriggle*.

Because there is always another appeal, always another court, always anither judge, always an other angle, always an other #wriggle.

I'm going to sleep in a bit. Wake me up if anything changes.

Just one more thing before I retire: when I am accused of a crime (which seems likely, as i am a notorious miscreant) can I get maybe 43% of the impunity this guy gets on the regular?

I know this show has gone on too long, but I really think they are gonna wrap it up this season

Can Carroll choose which of his assets to seize, in the unlikely event he actually has to pay anything? i.e. could she demand Mar-a-Lago?

you all saying he's not going to pay anything, did you miss the part in the post above where it says to stay execution of the judgment after 30 days, he has to pay the court 92 million, and if he doesn't, she can begin collecting immediately with the assistance of sheriffs even if he decides to file an appeal? unless all civil servants conspire to ignore the law simultaneously...he's quite literally going to be paying money.

and if he pays the court that 92 million, he's without it until his appeal is resolved, and only gets it back if he wins. I know it's fun to be cynical and constantly say "eh, it doesn't matter" whenever Trump has anything happen to him, but the instinct to just blurt that out right after the second of two trials where a rape victim put herself in harm's way at great cost to her mental health and safety to ensure Trump got held accountable...it doesn't come across very well.

(there's no way he doesn't pay the court 92 million...he isn't going to want to deal with attempts at seizures)

thank you xp

Okay I will believe it when I see it actually happen. Yes I understand the legal language, but #wriggle.

Tell me when the wire transfer has gone through. I've just heard too many OMG TRUMP IS GONNA SUFFER stories.

sadly we can't tag you in these threads, so you'll just have to keep up

I've just heard too many OMG TRUMP IS GONNA SUFFER stories.

Actual suffering doesn't seem very likely, apart from the self-inflicted stress experienced by a person of his wealth and temperament who must part with tens of millions without getting back anything tangible. In addition to the two judgments against him he'll also owe his lawyers millions more. I'm sure his inclination will be to complain that they don't deserve one cent of compensation because they lost his case, thereby proving their utter incompetence. Then he'll make them sue him to force him to pay their fees. That will assuage his suffering somewhat.

I mean, Trump already put $5.5M in escrow for the other defamation case.

not to be a naysayer, and i do find it somewhat heartening that trump finally will face a consequence for anything that he has ever done, and i do believe that he will pay the money, one way or another, someday, and that it's a lot of money even for trump.

but is there any reason that jared can't take the 2 billion that he got from the saudis while trump looked the other way, divide the 2 billion stack into 20 smaller stacks of 100 million dollars each, and then give trump 1 stack of 100 million dollars to cover the whole thing?

He didn't get two billion from the Saudis. He got control of two billion to invest on their behalf, from which he can charge them some small percentage as a management fee.

lol damn jared got ripped off!

well, maybe there is someone else out there with over $100 million who wouldn't mind a fascist owing them a favor

Yeah because if there’s one thing Donald Trump is particularly well-known for, it’s making good on his debts

Just think what he owes the White House plumber alone.

Something I keep having to remind myself about with respect to this situation (because I am very much a not-smart about money, among many many other things) is the whole concept of liquidity. Trump's self-valuation is wildly and hilariously overblown, but how much of his actual wealth can even be put towards this use? Like, is he going to start having to sell off major assets to cover this bill? Is there a chance that Trump Tower or Mar a Lago wind up on the auction block?

I also just keep thinking about how this is maybe the first major consequence he's maybe ever had to face in a lifetime filled to the brim with absolute shit-ass behavior and how living a consequence-free life has probably left him very ill-prepared for the stress of such a major consequence and how that stress can only be compounded by his age and health and diet and general temperament and demonstrable inability to grow or change as a human being. Yes, he will probably still be fine even despite all of this because that's the world we live in, but you gotta have dreams in life.

no his situation after failing out of grifting atlantic city was truly quite dire bmu

"recreating" himself by becoming a blowhard reality tv/branding machine was actually the only thing he succeeded at. well that and tax fraud. for a while. annd presidon'ting

Quite a stretch to say he succeeded at presidenting.

He did a bang-up job at leaving the country in a shambles.

trump was in pretty bad shape before his t.v. show, right? i think i remember reading that. the show saved him. he had no money. getting sued left and right. nobody cared about him. that new yorker article was good about all that. blaming the fate of the world on the producer of trump's t.v. show.

same with rudy before 9/11. nobody wanted to have anything to do with him.

I think like a lot of rich people he leverages his value (as such) to get favorable loans, and those loans constitute his cash. But of course, as this lawsuit has underscored, he's repeatedly lied about or exaggerated his value to get said loans, so dunno what he's going to do to drum up more money to pay these fins and penalties. No doubt some other bank or entity will come through with more loans, if they see benefit from it. Nothing has ever stopped banks from being stupid with their (our) money.

He's pretty much run out of banks to borrow from. I'm sure he's in hock to the Russians for millions.

GoFundMe is still there, for millions of gullible dudes in red hats.