Let us go then, you and I/When the evening is spread out against the sky/Like a tight end playing in the Super Bowl -- The Tortured Poets Department, Taylor Swift, April 19

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she must've seen all the long titles in the top 77 this year

soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Monday, 5 February 2024 17:42 (three months ago) link

heh

Indexed, Monday, 5 February 2024 22:50 (three months ago) link

Oh my god you thought the ALBUM TITLE was bad.

The song title list is terrifying.

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:48 (three months ago) link

we need a poll of the song titles stat

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:53 (three months ago) link

SIDE A:

Fortnight (ft. Post Malone)
The Tortured Poets Department
My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys
Down Bad

SIDE B:

So Long, London
But Daddy, I Love Him
Fresh Out The Slammer
Florida!!! (ft. Florence + the Machine)

SIDE C:

Guilty as Sin?
Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?
I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)
loml

SIDE D:

I Can Do It With A Broken Heart
The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived
The Alchemy
Clara Bow
Bonus Track: The Manuscript

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:54 (three months ago) link

it lost me with “ft. Post Malone”

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:55 (three months ago) link

just thankful it wasn't "Fortnite (ft. Post Malone)"

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:57 (three months ago) link

I did worry that is what it was at first

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:58 (three months ago) link

“reputation, but even more embarrassing”

seriously can’t wait

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:00 (three months ago) link

absolute value of om

soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:01 (three months ago) link

lotta ppl learning about the original it girl tonight

https://i.ibb.co/zS1NSnn/Screenshot-20240205-201252-Chrome.jpg

jaymc, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:19 (three months ago) link

I feel like she's truly jumped the shark, last night felt like a heel turn, but I guess we'll see...

(all I know is - I live in a very Taylor-unfriendly household, and I couldn't muster up the gumption to rep for her even feebly right now)

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:28 (three months ago) link

Oh do not ask, “What is it?’

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:33 (three months ago) link

"My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys"
"But Daddy, I Love Him"
"The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived"
"Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?"

are you fucking kidding me

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:39 (three months ago) link

How you could list those but not "Fresh Out the Slammer"...

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:41 (three months ago) link

because that one didn't have some reference to being smol

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:42 (three months ago) link

"Fresh Out the Slammer" sounds like early Paramore title.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:42 (three months ago) link

...or Sublime.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:50 (three months ago) link

the song titles are a headfake to make people miss the evil messages of violence that each song will contain

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:52 (three months ago) link

Amnesty International Presents

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:00 (three months ago) link

SIDE A:

Fortnight (ft. Post Malone)
The Tortured Poets Department
My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys
Down Bad

SIDE B:

So Long, London
But Daddy, I Love Him
Fresh Out The Slammer
Florida!!! (ft. Florence + the Machine)

SIDE C:

Guilty as Sin?
Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?
I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)
loml

SIDE D:

I Can Do It With A Broken Heart
The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived
The Alchemy
Clara Bow
Bonus Track: The Manuscript

― Tim F, Monday, February 5, 2024 7:54 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I 100% unironically believed this entire list was inspired parody

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:12 (three months ago) link

April Fools

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:15 (three months ago) link

Are we sure this isn't coming out on April 1st.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:17 (three months ago) link

hoping The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived is a Dr Demento-esque novelty track

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:19 (three months ago) link

"Iommi" is the Black Sabbath tribute Swifties had no idea they deserved.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:21 (three months ago) link

What is this that stands before me?
Figure in black which points at me
Turn 'round quick and start to run
Find out I'm the chosen one
Hell, yeah!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:25 (three months ago) link

Some people say my love can it be true
Happiness is your eyes when I'm kissing you

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:26 (three months ago) link

lmao

i don't know what she's going for but i'm glad she's going for something at least

ufo, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:24 (three months ago) link

But Daddy I Love Him is now trending on Twitter

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:25 (three months ago) link

The Smallest Hands Who Ever Lived

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:27 (three months ago) link

deluxe version comes with a pop-up book featuring Travis Kelce

super deluxe same but uncensored pop-up

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:28 (three months ago) link

Clara Bowling Alley

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:29 (three months ago) link

When you hear an Iommi song
I hope you spill your favorite bong

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:34 (three months ago) link

hoping The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived is a Dr Demento-esque novelty track

It'll be a parody of Weezer's The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:49 (three months ago) link

At least there are no football metaphors, like "Blocked Kick" or "Touchback" or something.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:56 (three months ago) link

is it just a coincidence that she’s dropping her album on Bicycle Day?

JoeStork, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:59 (three months ago) link

If I could successfully seed this theory on the Swiftie forums Taylor could make Timothy Leary a footnote in history.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 05:08 (three months ago) link

Swifties on acid is exactly what 2024 needs, stat.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 05:14 (three months ago) link

You belong with LSD

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 12:40 (three months ago) link

If the Chiefs win the Super Bowl maybe she can call in some favors and do a new version of the "Super Bowl Shuffle," then add it as a bonus track to the special Target-only LP that has a different color cover.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 13:19 (three months ago) link

So the suggestion has been made to do a precover of this…

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 14:01 (three months ago) link

With guests Chief Keef and Chief Xian aTunde Adjuah.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 14:36 (three months ago) link

(xp — although if someone wants to recruit them for the precovers, that would be cool too)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 14:37 (three months ago) link

I think Taylor likes to give herself impossible challenges, like to write a song with the title “I Can Fix Him (Really I Can)” that isn’t terrible

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 14:40 (three months ago) link

Is the song called "Bonus Track:The Manuscript" or is it just an indication that "The Manuscript" is a bonus track? Becuz I really wish it is the former

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 15:12 (three months ago) link

"Fuck is this 'Bonus Track:The Manuscript'? Turn it up!"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 15:13 (three months ago) link

"Three Minutes of Silence and then a Hidden Track" (Taylor's Version)

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 15:14 (three months ago) link

How you could list those but not "Fresh Out the Slammer"...

― Tim F, Monday, February 5, 2024 8:41 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This is where I audibly said "Oh come on!" to my cat

Indexed, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 16:36 (three months ago) link

And what did your cat say in response?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 16:38 (three months ago) link

I had numtots with ponzu sauce for dinner!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 01:22 (one week ago) link

The lyrics are so carefully composed and far less verbose than on many of the other songs.

I think this it true of more of the album than first appears.

I think of it as relatively lesser song on the original album but on the last listen I was struck by these lyrics from "My Boy..."

There was a litany of reasons why
We could've played for keeps this time
I know I'm just repeating myself
Put me back on my shelf
But first - Pull the string
And I'll tell you that he runs
Because he loves me

So much packed into the above.

Tim F, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 06:14 (one week ago) link

now I'm down bad, cryin' at the gym

OG Rizzler (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2024 03:41 (one week ago) link

really enjoy how the first verse of "down bad" likens love and subsequent rejection to being abducted by aliens

ivy., Thursday, 9 May 2024 14:01 (one week ago) link

"you made the universe feel so big but then you left and everything contracted into something so small and shitty and dull which it maybe was the entire time????"

I don't think her music previously has grappled with what it means to be an unreliable narrator of yr own life as relentlessly as she does here

otm. to me this is the taylor swift album that deals most directly with illusion and disillusion, it is the great throughline of these songs, applying that perspective not only to her romantic relationships but her career ("clara bow") and her craft ("the manuscript")

ivy., Thursday, 9 May 2024 14:15 (one week ago) link

Beauty is a beast that roars
Down on all fours
Demanding more
Only when your girlish glow
Flickers just so
Do they let you know
It's hell on earth to be heavenly
Them's the breaks
They don't come gently

think this might be the best thing she's ever written

ivy., Thursday, 9 May 2024 14:27 (one week ago) link

that song in its entirety is very special but when she says "Them's the breaks/ they don't come gently" I melt

Indexed, Thursday, 9 May 2024 14:34 (one week ago) link

My favorite song on here is "The Bolter" (I don't have a deep lyrical analysis, I just like the melody & music).

OG Rizzler (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2024 15:47 (one week ago) link

I like it, too. I like guitars.

Indexed, Thursday, 9 May 2024 15:57 (one week ago) link

"How Did It End" is really nice, too... that one must have slipped by in my initial listens (the piano figure isn't much, it sounds almost like a practice exercise; but I like the song built on top of it).

OG Rizzler (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2024 16:31 (one week ago) link

Swifties are losing their minds on social media at the changes to the Eras setlist in Paris

Indexed, Thursday, 9 May 2024 20:10 (one week ago) link

didn't need the last 9 words

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 May 2024 20:16 (one week ago) link

can't believe she isn't doing the title track live

ufo, Thursday, 9 May 2024 22:38 (one week ago) link

otm. to me this is the taylor swift album that deals most directly with illusion and disillusion, it is the great throughline of these songs, applying that perspective not only to her romantic relationships but her career ("clara bow") and her craft ("the manuscript")

― ivy., Thursday, 9 May 2024 14:15 (eight hours ago) link

Relatedly I like how "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart" is such a clear sequel to "Long Story Short" - a deceptively cheerful song which pokes fun at herself including her penchant for melodrama.

"He said he'd love all his life / But that life was too short". Literally and thematically it echoes "And I fell from the pedestal / Right down the rabbit hole / Long story short, it was a bad time": the idea that even Taylor acknowledges that her songwriting could be accused of belaboring every point.

This would be less obvious on "I Can Do It..." if the song wasn't placed immediately after "loml" ("You said I'm the love of your life / About a million times"); the abruptness with which she now cuts to the point mocking every other extended examination of the same situation.

Also: "I cry a lot but I am so productive, it's an art". You can't persuade me that the person who wrote these lyrics doesn't fully understand the double-meaning here.

I kinda disliked the spoken bit at the end, which felt a bit on the nose, until I realised she was saying "Try and come for my job".

Tim F, Thursday, 9 May 2024 22:58 (one week ago) link

i feel like this album has completely dropped out of public consciousness in record time for a Swift release, but maybe I'm just not paying attention anymore.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 9 May 2024 23:19 (one week ago) link

Oh yeah it feels like a million years old because of all the Kendrick stuff

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 10 May 2024 00:09 (one week ago) link

I was at the 2nd night of the Paris show. My friend is a massive fan and couldn't get tickets in the UK but managed to get two there. I went with her because she thought I would love it, and I would consider myself a fan - not anywhere near on the level of some of us here, but I think she's a good lyricist who makes interesting mistakes and even what I would consider her weaker moments are still interesting to me even if I find myself struggling with them. I think the new album is her best yet, in part because of ivy and Tim F posting here and opening it up, but also I think it's just the most sonically pleasing music she's ever recorded, and I don't hear any of the weird distracting poor cadence moments that plague at least a couple of songs on every album she does. I didn't watch the Eras concert on Disney+ because I didn't want any spoilers for what to expect, but I was really excited for it - a trip overseas, to see the biggest popstar in the world put on a spectacular show, touring their best material.


It was... a bit underwhelming? She started with a Miss Americana & The Heartbreak Prince intro, then into Cruel Summer, and I thought: excellent, this is going to be a lot of fun! But it really lost momentum. It's a 3.5 hr show and it really droops with the Evermore/Folklore section in the middle, which is a huge energy drop. She cuts chunks out of the 1989 material so it's mostly just one verse and one chorus of those songs. Her stage presence isn't great, and I felt like there's a lack of imagination in the staging. There is a part where she changes costume that's meant to be fun and campy, but she just isn't that kind of performer and instead of being playfully kitsch it just feels so awkward and contrived, it actually gave me the motivation to go to the bar at that exact moment. We were standing, maybe 10 rows from the front, and everyone around us lapped it up, to the point where people around us were crying at the end of it. I didn't think it was terrible, but I didn't think it was particularly great. The price of a ticket in France was considerably lower than the price in the UK, and I think I would have been very annoyed if I had paid that much. It didn't amaze me as a spectacle or inspire me to revisit her catalogue. I enjoyed it, but when I've spoken to colleagues and pals who are going to the UK shows later this year I've had to force myself to be a bit more enthusiastic in my thoughts than I'm inclined to be.

I knew the fans would be intense around it, but the performative fandom aspect was unlike anything I've ever experienced before. The idea that I would spend time at home making custom jewelery to swap with strangers is bizarre, but people all around me were doing this with their friendship bracelets. Twenty-five years ago I guess I would have been a "stan" for Garbage, in that I loved them very much and spoke about them all the time to anyone who was remotely into music, I had posters and keyrings and all that stuff too. I get the idea that your love for a band can be very important to your sense of identity. But the scale and intensity of Swifties around me felt almost like a cult.

boxedjoy, Monday, 20 May 2024 23:04 (yesterday) link

Yes and you are an unbeliever so time for sacrifice er wait hold on.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 May 2024 23:23 (yesterday) link

still haven't watched the eras concert, but taylor swift live hasn't been for me since she started dancing. everything's a little overdetermined

ivy., Monday, 20 May 2024 23:34 (yesterday) link

Three and a half hours is a LOT for any artist.

The middle hour is just beatboxing

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:21 (twelve hours ago) link

Seems like she'd suffer a little too by having Paramore opening with a nice, tight Greatest Hits set.

I saw her ages ago, on the Speak Now tour, and thought she was fine and fun but also not somebody I was going to make a lot of effort to see in concert again. It's not her most natural or rewarding milieu imo. Happy to just listen to the albums.

I was about to say - Paramore were FANTASTIC and I say this is as someone who thinks they weren't a good band at all until their fourth album. They did nine songs including a Talking Heads cover, and nothing too rocky/emo which suits my personal tastes although I can appreciate thar was disappointing for others.

Hayley Williams owned the stage in a way Swift didn't. They performed without any props or staging, just the band and their instruments, and some screens showing close-ups of them. Her charisma, energy and personality were off the scale, and i would actively go to see them again, which was not what I expected at all.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:45 (twelve hours ago) link

I saw Depeche Mode do a 3.5 hr set at the start of the year. I would say I'm much less invested in them as a band than I am Taylor Swift but they were a far stronger live act. Their pacing was stronger, Gahan was lively and likeable, and even their mid-set ballads didn't feel like a slog. I'm not against a long set if it's wholly entertaining for the duration!

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:48 (twelve hours ago) link

still haven't watched the eras concert, but taylor swift live hasn't been for me since she started dancing. everything's a little overdetermined

― ivy., Monday, May 20, 2024 11:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I've seen Taylor play several times - though not since 2015 - and the best remains when she performed in a nightclub here I think immediately before or after Fearlesss was released. She already had a bit of a theatre kid quality but it was very charming and disarming in that context, probably because of (rather than in spite of) the fact that she did not yet have the means to fully realise her visions.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 01:03 (twelve hours ago) link

I saw Depeche Mode do a 3.5 hr set at the start of the year. I would say I'm much less invested in them as a band than I am Taylor Swift but they were a far stronger live act. Their pacing was stronger, Gahan was lively and likeable, and even their mid-set ballads didn't feel like a slog. I'm not against a long set if it's wholly entertaining for the duration!

Someone who's been doing something for 40 years is better at it than someone who's been doing it for 15? Surprising.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 02:51 (ten hours ago) link

She’ll have this performance thing down by 2050

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 03:31 (nine hours ago) link

Cool, I can totally imagine me at 81 paying half my remaining life savings to go see 61-year-old Taylor Swift. I didn't have any life goals for if I make it to 2050, now I do.

(If it happens, I'll find this thread and report back.)

Twenty Six Years Pass

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 06:05 (seven hours ago) link

Paramore being better at it than both didn't take them 40 years

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 08:16 (four hours ago) link

Because Paramore rules, is why.

The time I saw them was at Bonnaroo, and it was the day that news broke about Anthony Bourdain's death. At one point during a breather between two songs, Hayley Williams sat down on the edge of the stage and talked about it and how much she loved Bourdain and how hard mental illness is and gave a sort of pep talk to anyone suffering (pretty sure she included the suicide hotline number). It was really affecting, the whole field of people got quiet and paid attention, and it was just striking the ability she had to talk directly and pull people in just sitting there talking. And then they went back to rocking.


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