problem with Stancil's argument is the higher the ratio of Nazis/bots/crypto scammers Twitter has the less culturally relevant it'll be
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:03 (three months ago) link
its pretty generous to say that stancil has political views, i would say he more has politics fever
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:07 (three months ago) link
online centrist pundits are funny whatre doing no ones ever going to invite you to davos whats the point of all this
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:08 (three months ago) link
its sad they missed the blogging to legitimacy pipeline, now whats left some sort of smoldering wasteland, a single voice crying over the horizon "chappo trap house needs to vote"
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:13 (three months ago) link
I'm not really on Twitter much anymore, so maybe he's changed, but I don't really consider Stancil a centrist. I think of him as a standard liberal wonk who's frequently frustrated with the Democratic Party -- but not because it's too far left but because it's sclerotic and out of touch with the modern information environment. (Brian Beutler is another guy in that lane.)
― jaymc, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:20 (three months ago) link
for me personally its important not to develop an opinion on any of these people
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:23 (three months ago) link
WS is apparently relatively effective in his day job but is channeling hard GWB-era blogger vibes in a space that is 1. not a blog 2. exists in 2024, not 2004
it was kind of funny when people from his state were asking him wtf he was doing and he was replying with "I don't know who you are" to people who were like "we have talked in person and we have been to the same events"
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:25 (three months ago) link
eerie resonance between the old democrat obsession with the mythical swing voter and the online democrat obsession with the the legendary non voting socialist, canvasing windmills
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:31 (three months ago) link
Unfortunately when you're online you run into a lot of non-voting socialists
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:34 (three months ago) link
its not actually a lot, is the thing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:38 (three months ago) link
they're just loud
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:39 (three months ago) link
are they even or are people just very interested in them, for whatever reasons.......
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:40 (three months ago) link
there are a lot of non voters in the country, are a lot of them high info socialists taking a stand, no
suspect that even most of the highly engaged in the is voting important argument people from the its not that important leftist side are in fact voters, and theyre mostly just reacting to very annoying dense people like will stancil
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:44 (three months ago) link
cause whatre you gonna do engage in a thoughtful debate on the merits of civil society with that fucking freak
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:45 (three months ago) link
there are a lot of non voters in the country but the non-voters who are online talking about politics tend to be socialists
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:54 (three months ago) link
And they are very concerned about vote shaming
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:55 (three months ago) link
thats not really whats going on
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:59 (three months ago) link
ok
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:00 (three months ago) link
I have an Insta friend who was rage posting on all of us that posted tributes to Wayne Kramer, but haven't been regularly posting on the situation is Gaza - which she does all the time
I wanted to make a comment about how performative and ineffective it is to just keep re-posting stuff over and over but I wisely stayed out of it
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:04 (three months ago) link
the non voting conversation is entirely a will stancil et al project, socialists arent going around telling each other not to vote, but they might say something like that to will stancil because hes annoying and has made them the object of his weird ineffectual obsession
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:04 (three months ago) link
I'm thinking about people on this message board too
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:07 (three months ago) link
This is briahna joy gray's world. We're just living in it.
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:10 (three months ago) link
there are people like stancil on here lol, maybe not quite as psychotic, but aligned with the same unmoored technocracy
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:11 (three months ago) link
idk the only socialists I've heard/seen telling people that they're not voting in the US presidential election (which is still a long ways off and who knows what they'll think by then) are people in states that would have solid democratic leads anyway
there have been some well-meaning if kind of token vote municipal/state socialist candidates where I think it's an interesting exercise to push the discourse if you're able to bring issues to debates and coverage of the race, but I don't know if that's been that effective, either. the local mayoral election (nonpartisan position, someone who is ostensibly a democrat will will) ended up having a socialist-type candidate who, if anything, was a spoiler for the more left-leaning of big two candidates
there was also some guy who wanted to be the less-interesting Vermin Supreme-type guy of the midwest who somehow got some votes but we don't need to care much about that
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:03 (three months ago) link
there are people like stancil on here lol, maybe not quite as psychotic
wow, rude. i'm right here
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:04 (three months ago) link
oh you dont care about having your own vermin supreme fine you know what thats your choice
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:04 (three months ago) link
There are def. left wing people in PA who say they aren't voting for Biden at least
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:13 (three months ago) link
how many
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:16 (three months ago) link
feel like we talked about this endlessly in 2020 too and then he got the most votes in US history
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:19 (three months ago) link
I just want to note that milo made me choke-laugh with “hstancil”
― the new drip king (DJP), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:20 (three months ago) link
strictly for the old heads
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:21 (three months ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, February 6, 2024 5:16 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
All the ones I know of on this message board
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:24 (three months ago) link
One on ILX means how many in the entire state, though? PA is still swing-ish, isn't it?
― nickn, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:34 (three months ago) link
the typical formula is 1 ilxor = 1 million citizens, its not looking good
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:40 (three months ago) link
Non-voter whining/panic runs parallel to the idea that criticizing Democrats online is basically voter suppression because the 100 people reading it on ILX or 38 followers on Twitter might swing the election.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:48 (three months ago) link
xp fuckin hell that means 204 million american citizens have voten to b4n l0u1s j@gger?
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:51 (three months ago) link
at least
― Taylor Slift (sleeve), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:54 (three months ago) link
it was a mass movement
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:55 (three months ago) link
the thing that drives me crazy about the high info left non voter panic is there are actually tens of millions of non voters out there, and as a group they lean democrat, who are they why arent you interested in any of them besides the handful of over educated people who hate genocide
i think i know the answer fwiw
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:56 (three months ago) link
Very convincing case here against the existence of non-voting socialists on social media
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:57 (three months ago) link
is that what it is
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:58 (three months ago) link
I guess it isn’t
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 23:02 (three months ago) link
If there were a meaningful number of socialists in the USA there would be...socialism somewhere in the USA.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 23:04 (three months ago) link
when i hear that non voting socialists are numerous, i’m like wrt to non-voting fascists? i need reliable numbers lol
― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 23:11 (three months ago) link
Yeah but we don’t want the fascists to vote
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 23:19 (three months ago) link
Since I am the one PA voter on this board who refuses to vote for Biden, I just feel the need to say that I am not a socialist. Also, cry more about it, I don’t give a fuck.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 00:29 (three months ago) link
There he is
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 00:34 (three months ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 00:40 (three months ago) link