If I correctly understand what I just heard reported on MSNBC, the ruling bars Trump from obtaining any loans from any bank or business which is licensed to do business in New York state for a period of 3 years. That will totally screw over his ability to pay judgments against him without liquidating large amounts of his assets.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:17 (two months ago) link
Oh darn!
Especially since IIRC if he wants to appeal he has to put up the amount fined within 30 days.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:21 (two months ago) link
Would you be okay with him being rendered ineffective by completely illegal subterfuge?
Show me some illegal subterfuge and then I'll consider what it means to me.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:21 (two months ago) link
Fraud on me vs Down on Me vs Crazy on on You...
Any word on whether he will ever actually pay anything out as a result of these fines/judgments/rulings?
I know that it is not good news for him, but I just want to make sure he suffers, instead of kicking the can down the road endlessly.
― fleetwood macrame (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:22 (two months ago) link
With any luck, the stress will kill him.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:23 (two months ago) link
of course not that's what the RNC is for
― frogbs, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:26 (two months ago) link
Further thought: It's interesting that all these cases and appeals and fines and civil judgments are being handled by his lawyers. Lawyers that he has no intention of paying, ever.
Motherfucker needs some goddamn consequences
― fleetwood macrame (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:27 (two months ago) link
This, of course, will only cause his cult to rally around him even more fervently. Thus, this is Bad News For Joe Biden.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:27 (two months ago) link
"Fraud On Me" was R.E.M.'s best single to date imo
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:27 (two months ago) link
greasy crappy people yelling chants
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:31 (two months ago) link
^^ to the tune of "Shiny Happy People"
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:32 (two months ago) link
dying
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:35 (two months ago) link
We already guessed, Alfred
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:37 (two months ago) link
Any word on whether he will ever actually pay anything out as a result of these fines/judgments/rulings?of course not that's what the RNC is for― frogbs, Friday, February 16, 2024 3:26 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― frogbs, Friday, February 16, 2024 3:26 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
https://www.yahoo.com/news/truth-trump-rnc-shakeup-why-094025392.html
"During a monumental election year for the GOP, Trump has effectively taken over the Republican National Committee, a bid to ensure that the national fundraising juggernaut will chiefly serve him, and not other Republican efforts."
I suppose the complete destruction of the GOP is a lot to hope for, but....
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:39 (two months ago) link
his dumbass boys were fined 4 million each, and also banned from running things for 2 years.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:44 (two months ago) link
Of course he's not beaten, yet, but this ruling strikes very hard at the foundations of his power and best of all, like the Carroll judgments, it isn't being conducted through the federal courts. So, may I be pardoned if just for this moment I pump my fist and shout WOO-HOOOOOO!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:44 (two months ago) link
right there with ya man
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:45 (two months ago) link
350 + 83 for the Jean Carrol case, is 433 million a lot
― a (waterface), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:47 (two months ago) link
but I thought he's rich
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:54 (two months ago) link
So wait a minute, the thing about not doing business with any banks licensed to do business in NY…. that would be most (all?) major banks right?
― Cow_Art, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:55 (two months ago) link
If you think about it, there's no better way for him to prove his wealth than to just pay out, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:57 (two months ago) link
let's just say that the walls of his dining room are not safe from his next meal
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 February 2024 20:58 (two months ago) link
Every plate he throws at the wall will just be $5 less to sell on eBay.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:59 (two months ago) link
would any of this have been investigated had he not decided to run for president?
― frogbs, Friday, 16 February 2024 20:59 (two months ago) link
Almost certainly not.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:02 (two months ago) link
His pattern was buying off people who sued on the one hand and on the other trying to hide in plain sight in terms of his own dealings. He wanted the fame ticket, he got it, and here we are.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:03 (two months ago) link
This may already be old news to US readers, but for this Britishes I found it a pretty useful summary of Trump's finances and his ability to pay out:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68175846
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:04 (two months ago) link
who gets to be the court-appointed monitor who has to look after all of Trump's finances in New York? that oughta be a fun job! maybe they give it to someone in nyc government as punishment.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:25 (two months ago) link
i must have missed this but that monitor - a former judge - played a big role in the ruling today. proving that that Trump was just going to keep doing his lying thing.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-organization-monitor-flags-errors-financial-misstatements-ahead/story?id=106737467
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:37 (two months ago) link
that would be most (all?) major banks right?
NY and London are the financial capitols of the world and any bank willing to grant an individual loan of that magnitude is almost certainly going to have a license to operate in NY. All this will become clearer as the ruling takes full effect. This won't destroy him, but it will hurt him in a very real way.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:40 (two months ago) link
greasy crappy people yelling chantsbecause throwback hilarity/applause is whenever you get to it, i hereby entype this standing LOL
― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:42 (two months ago) link
deutschebank you fuckin bitches, we’re waiting
― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:43 (two months ago) link
You just know that from now to the day he dies, Trump will call NY Attorney General James several bad names every time he opens his mouth in public, and probably in private, too.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:44 (two months ago) link
adjusting for inflation that's almost the entirety of his original inheritance, the poor fella. how unfair
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:48 (two months ago) link
he had, like, zero dollars before he did his reality game show. he's just going back to his 90s roots of penniless grifter windbag who pretends to be rich.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:57 (two months ago) link
ready for the NFT of him as a penniless hobo with fingerless gloves and a cigar stub
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:08 (two months ago) link
I'll believe he's actually suffering financially the day I see the dumb ass huge "TRUMP" sign come off his tower here in Chicago.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:28 (two months ago) link
Mitchell Epner's Bluesky reply thread starting here of interest in terms of the likelihood of the appeals going anywhere. (In sum, small.) C/P for ease:
1. Trump can appeal without posting security, but that would allow immediate enforcement of the judgments (ie - seizing over $400M in disgorgement and interest. If he wants to stay enforcement, he will have to put up cash or a supersedeas bond in the full amount (including accrued interest).2. The three year ban would run from the day that it was first imposed. If the trial court (or appellate division) stays enforcement of the ban on serving as an officer/director of a NY Corp pending appeal, then the 3 year ban would only start when the stay was lifted.3. In a bench trial, the Court's findings of fact are given full deference & can only be overturned on a finding of "clear error". On my initial read, Justice Engoron did a thorough job supporting his factual conclusions, including making credibility judgments that are NEVER reversed on appeal.4. On p.6, Justice Engoron to care to appeal-proof his fact finding: "This Court listened carefully to every witness, every question, every answer. Witnesses testified from the witness stand, approximately a yard from the Court, who was thus able to observe expressions, demeanor, and body language."
2. The three year ban would run from the day that it was first imposed. If the trial court (or appellate division) stays enforcement of the ban on serving as an officer/director of a NY Corp pending appeal, then the 3 year ban would only start when the stay was lifted.
3. In a bench trial, the Court's findings of fact are given full deference & can only be overturned on a finding of "clear error". On my initial read, Justice Engoron did a thorough job supporting his factual conclusions, including making credibility judgments that are NEVER reversed on appeal.
4. On p.6, Justice Engoron to care to appeal-proof his fact finding: "This Court listened carefully to every witness, every question, every answer. Witnesses testified from the witness stand, approximately a yard from the Court, who was thus able to observe expressions, demeanor, and body language."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:31 (two months ago) link
So basically Trump wants to appeal, his lawyers are playing along, but they also know they're fucked (whether Trump knows, frankly that's an open question at this point!)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:34 (two months ago) link
i still can't get over the chutzpah of continuing to go after hunter biden for trading on his father's name when lara trump was just appointed co-chair of the RNC while the DOJ indicted the star witness against hunter biden. and that's nowhere near the top ten most consequential things surrounding these trump republicans in the past three days
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:37 (two months ago) link
Via WaPo:
Donald Trump’s campaign is trying to raise money off the judgment against him in the civil fraud case. “DEMOCRAT JUDGE JUST RULED AGAINST ME!” Trump wrote in a text message, seeking donations. He added, “We need a MASSIVE PEACEFUL PUSHBACK right here, right now.”
Roffle at the 'peaceful' bit, which of course he's had to do plenty of times now in the past few years.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:40 (two months ago) link
I dunno, I'm starting to lean classic.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:48 (two months ago) link
has there ever been anything like him? i guess only actual panamanian strongmen. or al capone or something.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:50 (two months ago) link
P.T. Barnum, maybe? But Barnum surely was much smarter.
Don King?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:53 (two months ago) link
this is my favorite historical comparison
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169159
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:53 (two months ago) link
Oh, yeah, I also thought of Commodus.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:54 (two months ago) link
i guess if huey long had lived and become president we would have seen something similarly bizarre.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:55 (two months ago) link
AG James is rubbing it in live right now. gotcha, asshole!
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:01 (two months ago) link
Injecting that Schadenfreude directly into my veins.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 23:03 (two months ago) link
Jeffrey Clark's disciplinary proceeding in DC continues not to go well for him and his X timeline is positively deranged.
Just a snippet from last fall:
The committee rejected the motion two days after it was entered, writing that Clark "has continually misrepresented [the] disciplinary counsel's theory of the case to manufacture imaginary defenses."
― felicity, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:08 (two months ago) link