Mitchell Epner's Bluesky reply thread starting here of interest in terms of the likelihood of the appeals going anywhere. (In sum, small.) C/P for ease:
1. Trump can appeal without posting security, but that would allow immediate enforcement of the judgments (ie - seizing over $400M in disgorgement and interest. If he wants to stay enforcement, he will have to put up cash or a supersedeas bond in the full amount (including accrued interest).2. The three year ban would run from the day that it was first imposed. If the trial court (or appellate division) stays enforcement of the ban on serving as an officer/director of a NY Corp pending appeal, then the 3 year ban would only start when the stay was lifted.3. In a bench trial, the Court's findings of fact are given full deference & can only be overturned on a finding of "clear error". On my initial read, Justice Engoron did a thorough job supporting his factual conclusions, including making credibility judgments that are NEVER reversed on appeal.4. On p.6, Justice Engoron to care to appeal-proof his fact finding: "This Court listened carefully to every witness, every question, every answer. Witnesses testified from the witness stand, approximately a yard from the Court, who was thus able to observe expressions, demeanor, and body language."
2. The three year ban would run from the day that it was first imposed. If the trial court (or appellate division) stays enforcement of the ban on serving as an officer/director of a NY Corp pending appeal, then the 3 year ban would only start when the stay was lifted.
3. In a bench trial, the Court's findings of fact are given full deference & can only be overturned on a finding of "clear error". On my initial read, Justice Engoron did a thorough job supporting his factual conclusions, including making credibility judgments that are NEVER reversed on appeal.
4. On p.6, Justice Engoron to care to appeal-proof his fact finding: "This Court listened carefully to every witness, every question, every answer. Witnesses testified from the witness stand, approximately a yard from the Court, who was thus able to observe expressions, demeanor, and body language."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:31 (two months ago) link
So basically Trump wants to appeal, his lawyers are playing along, but they also know they're fucked (whether Trump knows, frankly that's an open question at this point!)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:34 (two months ago) link
i still can't get over the chutzpah of continuing to go after hunter biden for trading on his father's name when lara trump was just appointed co-chair of the RNC while the DOJ indicted the star witness against hunter biden. and that's nowhere near the top ten most consequential things surrounding these trump republicans in the past three days
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:37 (two months ago) link
Via WaPo:
Donald Trump’s campaign is trying to raise money off the judgment against him in the civil fraud case. “DEMOCRAT JUDGE JUST RULED AGAINST ME!” Trump wrote in a text message, seeking donations. He added, “We need a MASSIVE PEACEFUL PUSHBACK right here, right now.”
Roffle at the 'peaceful' bit, which of course he's had to do plenty of times now in the past few years.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:40 (two months ago) link
I dunno, I'm starting to lean classic.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:48 (two months ago) link
has there ever been anything like him? i guess only actual panamanian strongmen. or al capone or something.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:50 (two months ago) link
P.T. Barnum, maybe? But Barnum surely was much smarter.
Don King?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:53 (two months ago) link
this is my favorite historical comparison
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169159
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:53 (two months ago) link
Oh, yeah, I also thought of Commodus.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:54 (two months ago) link
i guess if huey long had lived and become president we would have seen something similarly bizarre.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:55 (two months ago) link
AG James is rubbing it in live right now. gotcha, asshole!
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:01 (two months ago) link
Injecting that Schadenfreude directly into my veins.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 23:03 (two months ago) link
Jeffrey Clark's disciplinary proceeding in DC continues not to go well for him and his X timeline is positively deranged.
Just a snippet from last fall:
The committee rejected the motion two days after it was entered, writing that Clark "has continually misrepresented [the] disciplinary counsel's theory of the case to manufacture imaginary defenses."
― felicity, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:08 (two months ago) link
Is it a parody account? I cannot tell.
― felicity, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:11 (two months ago) link
I've said this more than once in this thread, but I am still amazed by Trump's ability to get people to immolate themselves for him. It's as though he taps into their secret desire for power, celebrity or recognition, gives them a little taste, then discards them when they have ceased to be of use. And at this point, everyone who gets on board the Trump Train knows they are going to be thrown off at some point.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 February 2024 23:13 (two months ago) link
Does Dancing With The Stars pay a lot? I assume people trip over themselves to join the Trump team in order to set up some kind of eventual reality TV payoff.
― henry s, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:19 (two months ago) link
do you know what's going to be really sad? that first time that eric trump goes into a new york bank and reaches for the basket of lollipops and they slap his hand away. that's going to sting the most.
― scott seward, Friday, 16 February 2024 23:53 (two months ago) link
Lol
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 16 February 2024 23:55 (two months ago) link
And at this point, everyone who gets on board the Trump Train knows they are going to be thrown off at some point.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)
I can't help but think many of them are convinced that *they'll* be the one to come out on top.
― nickn, Saturday, 17 February 2024 00:40 (two months ago) link
tbf cozying up to powerful people is usually a pretty good plan
― lag∞n, Saturday, 17 February 2024 00:50 (two months ago) link
Trump wants to appeal, his lawyers are playing along
I have probably said this, but it remains moderately amusing that he is probably never going to pay any of his lawyers.
― fleetwood macrame (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 17 February 2024 00:57 (two months ago) link
suspect theyre demanding the money up front at this point
― lag∞n, Saturday, 17 February 2024 01:02 (two months ago) link
Supposedly Kise demanded 3 million up front. Smart.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 February 2024 01:03 (two months ago) link
Trump's not going to pay his lawyers but his donors are.
In 2023, Trump spent $54.2 million raised almost exclusively from donors who gave $5 or $20 or $50 a month ― a vast number of them retirees ― to pay lawyers defending the former president in the various civil and criminal cases, a HuffPost analysis of Federal Election Commission filings found.
― visiting, Saturday, 17 February 2024 01:14 (two months ago) link
350 + 83 for the Jean Carrol case, is 433 million a lot
― a (waterface), Friday, February 16, 2024 3:47 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I think Musk will pay off 13 million so Trump will only owe…
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 17 February 2024 01:24 (two months ago) link
I'm so tired about caring about this man.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 February 2024 03:05 (two months ago) link
Truth.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 February 2024 03:30 (two months ago) link
I remember thinking, in (say) December 2020, “soon I won’t have to ever think about this asshole or his family again.”
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 17 February 2024 03:32 (two months ago) link
He's the stinking fish that keeps being delivered to our doorsteps by the Republican Party and our many compassion-impaired compatriots.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 17 February 2024 03:41 (two months ago) link
Classic.
https://bsky.app/profile/ygalanter.bsky.social/post/3klnhhpxe7o27
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 17 February 2024 22:36 (two months ago) link
“Bold, gold, and tough, just like President Trump.”
What’s the matter, no rhyme for orange?
I just can’t even with his grifts anymore. But I’m not the audience; they’re sold out already.
― Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 18 February 2024 00:00 (two months ago) link
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― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 February 2024 00:26 (two months ago) link
saucy!
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 18 February 2024 00:33 (two months ago) link
Somebody at last is allowing their underling to get drunk at happy hour and post on the job.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 February 2024 00:49 (two months ago) link
The future of Trump's gold shoes? Everything old becomes new again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 18 February 2024 00:54 (two months ago) link
not a yuge surprise, but...
Donald Trump ranked as worst US president in history, with Joe Biden 14th
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/presidents-ranking-trump-biden-list
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:00 (two months ago) link
yeah, questioning the election results and inciting an insurrection really sunk him from a Harding/A. Johnson type of corrupt horrible president to sub-Buchanan levels
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:16 (two months ago) link
Direct link to the list: http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploads/1/0/8/7/108798321/presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024.pdf
Some of the worst stinkers:
29 Hayes 30 Garfield 31 Harrison 32 GW Bush 33 Arthur 34 Coolidge 35 Nixon 36 Hoover 37 Tyler 38 Taylor 39 Fillmore 40 Harding 41 Harrison 42 Pierce 43 A. Johnson 44 Buchanan 45 Trump
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:20 (two months ago) link
So gratifying to watch Jackson earn the ignominy he long deserved.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:26 (two months ago) link
GW Bush way too high, for all his faults Trump didn't murder over a million Iraqis
― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:32 (two months ago) link
But he did nominate judges and justices who will hurt or kill millions of American women.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:33 (two months ago) link
45 means 45
― nashwan, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:59 (two months ago) link
lmao at everyone below Harrison, how badly do you have to fuck up to be worse than the the guy who immediately contracted pneumonia and died at the start of his presidency
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:01 (two months ago) link
If he becomes 47 too does he get two bottom spots?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:01 (two months ago) link
Doughfaces like Pierce and Buchanan who licked the pro-slavery contingent every chance they got; racists like Andrew Johnson who vetoed every Reconstruction bill. xpost
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:02 (two months ago) link
I know why they are there, I am laughing at them for being unable to surmount the presumably low bar of “died almost immediately upon assuming office”
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:04 (two months ago) link
yeah but what an inauguration
― omar little, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:09 (two months ago) link
can't do much damage when yer dead
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:09 (two months ago) link
Many presidents' standings would be improved by dying in the first weeks of their term.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:14 (two months ago) link
https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2024/02/b13ba-17083340778260-1920.jpg
I’m genuinely surprised how people close to Trump haven’t talked about the odor.It’s truly something to behold. Wear a mask if you can— Adam Kinzinger (Slava Ukraini) 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱 (@AdamKinzinger) December 16, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:14 (two months ago) link