You Can't Be 20: Old-Person Songs by Young People

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Marmalade’s “Reflections Of My Life” seems to fit, though like “Heart of Gold” and several other examples, it definitely feels like it swings between old man POV (“all my sorrows/sad tomorrows/take me back/to my old home”) and young man perspective (all the “changing” and “rearranging” the singer is doing of his life). It actually has two singers, with one sounding older than the other. Anyway, neither band member who wrote it was older than 25 at the time.

gjoon1, Monday, 19 February 2024 23:54 (two months ago) link

the class of what, '09? did the class of '09 have dreams? come to think of it '09 was my 15 year reunion.

i don't know. i don't think i can look at '94 and see a bunch of young people who had big dreams. i mean i had 'em. they were pissant dreams, though.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:11 (two months ago) link

I wonder if any of the class of 57 had dreams of being Country Music artists, cause that seemed to work out for a few of them

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:56 (two months ago) link

Libba Cotten - "Freight Train" age 11

When I'm dead and in my grave
No more good times here I crave
Place the stones at my head and feet
And tell them all I've gone to sleep

When I die, Lord bury me deep
Down at the end of old Chestnut Street
So I can hear old Number Nine
As she comes rolling by

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:19 (two months ago) link

Great revive…

I think people in their mid-20s are often more nostalgic for childhood/teen years than older folks

R.E.M.’s “Catapult” to thread

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:32 (two months ago) link

some are mathematicians, some are carpenters' wives

When I first heard Tangled up in Blue around age 16 it struck me as very much what it might feel like to look back at your life at 35, and by 35 I’d realized it was pretty accurate. A song about aging that is pitched very precisely! It captures a twisting path of memories where you can only see so far back and so far ahead.

bendy, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:42 (two months ago) link

Confession: For at least 30 years, I have harbored a secret curiosity about how many mathematicians are also carpenter's wives.

Like, it's perfectly plausible to be a mathematician who happens to be married to a carpenter. Even if one or the other are DIY hobbyists, as opposed to professional practitioners. I would be totally cool with an amateur mathematician married to a professional carpenter, or vice versa.

fleetwood macrame (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 05:09 (two months ago) link

Many are confused about how such a life path got started.

bbq, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 09:02 (two months ago) link

they're an illusion anyway

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 09:38 (two months ago) link

"I think people in their mid-20s are often more nostalgic for childhood/teen years than older folks"

interesting topic and thread. I wonder if Simon Reynolds dealt with this phenomenon in Retromania (which I read when it came out but that was some time ago).

giraffe, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 11:57 (two months ago) link

agreed, great revive.

Tangled Up In Blue seemed vaguely Deep to me as a younger person, never one of my faves but I dug it. at 42, i find it a lovely mix of goofy Dylan shaggy-dog stuff and a near-magic encapsulation of this sense of having a personal Past. i bet it works whether you've moved around a lot, stayed in one place, become a carpenter's wife, whatever.

Still Crazy has less incident and it's not nearly the same kind of a Rorschach blot, but is so beautifully polished, especially the first verse. it gets at something.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 12:04 (two months ago) link

Not quite the same thing, but I had always assumed Jimmy Buffett's "A Pirate Looks at Forty" was at least semi-autobiographical, but it turns out he recorded it age 27.

Josefa, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:24 (two months ago) link

Billy Stayhorn was 21 when he wrote Lush Life. It was a self fulfilling prophecy because he did become an alcoholic. It has the most depressing, world weary lyrics of any jazz standard i can think of and it shocked me when i learned how old he was when writing it.

bbq, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 22:01 (two months ago) link

Tangled Up In Blue seemed vaguely Deep to me as a younger person, never one of my faves but I dug it. at 42, i find it a lovely mix of goofy Dylan shaggy-dog stuff and a near-magic encapsulation of this sense of having a personal Past. i bet it works whether you've moved around a lot, stayed in one place, become a carpenter's wife, whatever.

otm

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 08:40 (two months ago) link

I love "Tangled Up in Blue," and in the regular world, Dylan being in his early 30s at the time would still count as young; in a pop music context, less so. Like another song I thought of and decided it was something different: Madonna's "This Used to Be My Playground" (she was 34).

clemenza, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:27 (two months ago) link

I'm going to posit that Madonna had been through a few things by the time she was 34.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:31 (two months ago) link

She was tangled up in true blue.

clemenza, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:33 (two months ago) link

Lol clemenza

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:46 (two months ago) link

I was just listening to Dion and the Belmonts singing “September Song” from 1960’s Wish Upon a Star album and thinking they sound much too young to sing those lyrics. But my benchmark of an appropriately grizzled performance is Willie Nelson’s 1978 recording and he was only 45 when that came out, which now seems a bit young for that death-haunted song.

o. nate, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:55 (two months ago) link

Willie Nelson is an interesting case. He was already old when most us were born, and he is apparently immortal.

When he was relatively young, and wrote "Crazy," dinosaurs still roamed the plains. It's a bit weird to see pictures of young Willie, because his brand and image have solidified so much into the one we know.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:05 (two months ago) link


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