Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

If he becomes 47 too does he get two bottom spots?

Doughfaces like Pierce and Buchanan who licked the pro-slavery contingent every chance they got; racists like Andrew Johnson who vetoed every Reconstruction bill. xpost

I know why they are there, I am laughing at them for being unable to surmount the presumably low bar of “died almost immediately upon assuming office”

yeah but what an inauguration

can't do much damage when yer dead

Many presidents' standings would be improved by dying in the first weeks of their term.

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I’m genuinely surprised how people close to Trump haven’t talked about the odor.

It’s truly something to behold. Wear a mask if you can

— Adam Kinzinger (Slava Ukraini) 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱 (@AdamKinzinger) December 16, 2023

GW Bush way too high, for all his faults Trump didn't murder over a million Iraqis

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:32 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

But he did nominate judges and justices who will hurt or kill millions of American women.

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:33 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Alfred, I adore you, but this seems an inadvertent diminution of one of the worst tragedies to take place in our lifetimes.

xpost it's like diarrhea mixed with milk chocolate, but the chocolate was from 1987

I once read a historian describe Pierce as a functionally illiterate alcoholic.

They misspelled "Eau de Parm" on that cologne. Or maybe "Eau de Farm"? Maybe a mix of both.

Alfred, I adore you, but this seems an inadvertent diminution of one of the worst tragedies to take place in our lifetimes.

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), T

dude, it's a race to the bottom. I've yelled at more people who say "Bush wasn't so bad" than you will care to know. I'll never forgive him for Iraq. And it's no stretch to argue that in the coming years that one-term Trump administration will have killed more people.

But a Stalin v. Hitler body count battle isn't a scrimmage so I'll stop here.

Pierce and Buchanan's policies precipitated if not caused a civil war. Andrew Johnson acted as if the freedmen didn't exist. Bush and Trump (and Reagan and Poppy) found novel ways to demonstrate our imperialism and racism, respectively.

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W gave us Alito so he can eat shit on that count too

putting harrison #1 wouldve been the way to go

lol, but WHH owned slaves, which ya know really should be considered more of a minus in these rankings imho (ayo George Washington)

at least Washington freed them

After he died, and they were to be free after his wife died.

Exactly

it's true that none of the other slave-owning presidents did even that, but I mean...owning 250 human beings is owning 250 human beings (not to mention pursuing one who managed to escape), it should at least be considered a demerit is all I'm saying, esp if the #1 is Lincoln

just clicked over to the nyt and they have a good piece on Hercules Posey who was Washington's enslaved chef (gift link): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/20/dining/hercules-posey-george-washington-chef.html?unlocked_article_code=1.W00.GG90.2lbPs8950etY&smid=url-share

Yeah, but did he invent ice cream? Advantage: James Hemings, brother of Sally. That's why Jefferson is top 5.

I am not sure it needs to be a competition. Ruling people in those times were, generally, bad. Ruling people before then were also not great. Ruling people now? Um, some of them remain quite unpleasant.

I totally understand that there is a hierarchy - slavery and genocide are worse than (for example) securities fraud. But I am not aware of any public figures who can be described as flawless.

I am not sure it needs to be a competition.

Too late, it already is, and Trump is the worst of all time!

Yeah, but did he invent ice cream? Advantage: James Hemings, brother of Sally. That's why Jefferson is top 5.

Mitchell Epner shared this read from David Cay, who Epner describes as someone "who has been following Trump's finances for decades," and it's worth a gander.

https://www.dcreport.org/2024/02/19/trumps-legal-delay-tactics-will-lead-to-further-self-destruction/

Epner himself is skeptical, saying:

Even if Trump can't raise the funds to deposit with the courts, he can appeal - it just doesn't stay enforcement. If he appeals but does not post the $, it would put the onus on E. Jean Carroll and/or the NYAG to seek to enforce the judgments. That process would be ugly for Trump, but it would allow him to play to the MAGA masses. A personal bankruptcy filing strikes at his core identity. It also would open Trump up to extremely invasive discovery to find his assets and liabilities.

The only thing that I know *for certain* about the future is that it has not happened yet, so Mr. Johnson's prediction may be proven accurate.

We will see.

I lean Epner but then again, this is a scenario Trump has never wanted, and here he is.

xxp, I'm glad Obama ranks in the top 10 in that poll. I think he is still the best president of my lifetime, for being the originator of Obamacare if for nothing else.

But he was also essentially scandal-free and was someone who really understood what he could achieve - the limitations that were imposed on him by society and government - and was nevertheless able to lead us into the future without mishap

If new presidents are often the opposite of the last presidents, that swing was never as wide as after his 8 years

obama middling at best

maybe not at best obama solidly middling

But he was also essentially scandal-free and was someone who really understood what he could achieve - the limitations that were imposed on him by society and government - and was nevertheless able to lead us into the future without mishap

― Dan S, Tuesday, February 20, 2024 8:06 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

as evidenced by the arguments that fans of his make

whatever, wish I hadn't posted

cmon that wasnt that bad

I've got friends who can get dialyses and health care thanks to Obamacare, which has the highest enrollment in the country in the reddest parts of Miami-Dade, so he's automatically better than Bill Clinton. So he ranks high among the sociopaths in this bunch; he killed American citizens and their children with drones vs. FDR and his internment camps, which is why I have no heroes

Obama was the best president of my life so far. I was born during the Johnson administration, so you might say that's slim pickings, but still.

whatever, wish I hadn't posted

― Dan S,

Your post was fine. It's better than if you'd triggered one of us in the ILX film threads with praise of Oppenheimer.

oppenheimer was so bad, much worse than obama

lol Alfred

Oppenheimer’s fans are certainly more annoying than Obama’s fans

johnson was maybe better than obama, carter maybe too, biden before the whole genocide situation, tho to obamas credit he did win twice which is certainly isnt nothing, clinton won too tho, kind interesting to consider them the bookmarks of dem neoliberalism

"Oppenheimer showed us how Americans can achieve great things when they dare to dream big."

- Barack Obama

Carter nominated some of the first female judges, kept Israel and Egypt from overtly killing each other, and...what else? He fought against full employment, was no fan of unions, brought the shah to America -- some vile shit.

Honestly, the ACA is responsible for me staying alive and remotely solvent. I am not the biggest fan of Obama, but I know to give credit where credit’s due.

he inspired the classic song i cant drive 5 by sammy the red rocker hagar xp

I'd be approx $500 poorer every month without Obamacare, table otm. it's not as good as a real single payer system but it's a band-aid that actually helps.

All this Carter talk has made me wanna blast David Sylvian brb

obamacare obamacare is pretty weak sauce forget about single payer it was pretty lame for what it was even and a bunch of it has predictably been rolled back since but tbf it was an improvement over the status quo for sure tho not good from the opportunity cost pov, however the best thing he did in his presidency was expand medicare as part of obamacare

*for states that accepted the money haha america gotta love it

Obama is a 70’s Republican. He lost every ounce of credibility he had within months of entering the Oval Office, and he just got worse

Obamacare was amazing for the insurance companies that OK’ed every line of it. America’s only hope of ever having single payer is states doing it one by one, and I do think Gen Z is pissed off enough to demand it. That, or WWIII will end everything