letz talk abt gucci mane

also like to point out that joc's verse on this is at least on par w/ plenty of verses off the last clipse

gonna listen to some of this new shit tonight. not really feeling that no flow drumma boy track tbh.

"wasted" jumped 10 spots on hip hop/r&b this week (29 to 19) if anyone cares

so warner bros actually shut down cocaine blunts bcuz of his gucci mp3s ... retarded

the fuuuuck

i hope -- and i mean this sincerely -- that you dudes aren't next

oh my god

serg checked & we havent gotten any emails from them

it's a good thing that i never got around to posting a .zip file of our gucci mane top 30 like everyone in the comments asked for

this is mental, especially considering blog leaks is the only reason gucci is a big name artist these days.

well, not the only reason certainly, but it's just immeasurably counterproductive - shit like this NEVER ceases to amaze

Well I don't remember Warners having any direct influence on him blowing up. As internet is where a very large percentage of his fans lie, and people like me telling friends about the top tracks thing on sms (obv your influence much bigger here) which has influenced to buy actual mixtapes with actual monies, this just seems beyond fucking stupid. Cocaine Blunts was essentially 50% of where I got my gucci news from, as I don't read many rap blogs and like noz, so now i'll just hear about 50% less new gucci.

there's an update up on cocaine blunts now

yeah i mean - it's hard to tell even now how much blog buzz translates into real world results, but i think it's telling that nah right hasn't had a high profile label beef in a long ass time. they are leaking bp3 tracks and at the same time are almost mocking jay - they clearly aren't scared of def jam and i think it's because all major labels are now aware of nah right's influence & importance (slaughterhouse maybe an example of the contrary but dudes were pimping drake like a motherfucker before he blew up)

with something like gucci it's much harder to tell - i can certainly say that our gucci mane posts have helped mine & deej's profile more than gucci's, but on the other hand i think we - along with noz - have definitely helped to legitimize the idea of gucci mane in the critical atmosphere. would a gucci mane mixtape have gotten a review in SPIN (albeit a perfunctory one) if it wasn't for the writing on our blog & noz's blog etc? i dont know, but i like to think so. again, how much does it matter? sean fenn & tom breihan have been pretty vocal supporters of our gucci writing but it's not like you saw a gucci feature in VIBE or big gucci coverage on pitchfork. so who knows. i don't think blogs are responsible for "wasted" having a rapid ascent up the charts with literally zero promotion. i think that's from clubs and more organic real people word of mouth type thing.

all that said, this is really really really fucking stupid on warner's part because it can only help gucci, even if it's "help" that's barely above negligible. noz in particular tho.

Yes but surely 'organic real people word of mouth type thing' is coming from people hearing stuff on the internet and passing it onto friends these days? Everyone, even my dad, has their favourite place on the net to find about music; uses spotify/last.fm instead of the radio etc.

Messing with one of the big name rap bloggers who also writes for one of the two big hiphop publications who just had yr rapper on the cover = fucking, fucking stupid. It might only influence 5 percent of gucci fans, but if they are the 5 percent who tell the other 95 what to look out for

'organic real people word of mouth type thing'

there's definitely an element of that yeah, but there's def a huge element of ppl hearing them from other places - djs in clubs, radio, 'big name' mixtapes like drama stuff that ppl can & will still physically cop - i think it's easy to forget that tons of fans of big budget genres don't know shit about mp3 blogs - again, you'd think that slaughterhouse was a big fucking deal if you went by blogs, but they're pretty damn invisible in real life

we are totally in agreement tho about this whole noz thing and the idea of majors going after blogs in general

lol people supporting yr music doesn't stop it being shit. poor slaughterhouse and asher roth, it's like nah right care in the community.

:( this is really sad

I think you're underselling yourselves there Jordan which is admirable but come on! the internet, blogs and yes the occasional leak are all established parts of the game now. this is 2009 and every rapper has a twitter for christs sake xp

bare grills (tpp)

this is dope

RIP cocaine blunts, u were da best

today i heard a radio DJ basically say "everyone requesting the version of Wasted with Plies on it, please stop, we're not legally allowed to play it anymore" -- Gucci's label fucking up all over the place already

damn that's seriously fucked up

the idea of taking a good song and putting OJ Da Juiceman on it at the exact moment you think you're about to hear your favorite verse is kind of a hilariously unintentional rickroll though imo

I feel like doing a remix of "Benjamins" where the second the beat changes and Biggie's about to come in, suddenly you just hear "Ay! Ay! Ay!"

hahaha

the version climbing up the billboard charts is still the plies version tho?

yeah -- I'm sure it's a matter of days/weeks before WB has Billboard change the chart entry, though. those things are all dictated by the labels and it doesn't really matter which version of a song is contributing to its total airplay numbers (same reason that for instance the "I'm So Hood" remix gave it a big chart bump but the original still had the chart entry).

hahah dammit i was just gonna go to my preferences and take the booty blastin' name....shoulda known the tru master would have already snagged it

Jeff Tweete is better anyway imo

the only line of 'wasted' anyone knows not from the chorus is plies 'wasted like the white boys' one

judging from the ppl i work with anyway

^^^^otm

anyway to what a hoy hoy & j0rdan were talking about ...

i think our piece/discussion on blogs matters in the way that the media/critics will ultimately receive his music ... the chicago reader recently made his show a 'critics choice' & linked to our site when he came thru the congress, & i think if you have a lot of critics saying "hey im going to stop & take him seriously" it means something w/r/t how he will be received by 'history' -- so in that sense i think we 'matter'

i dont think we matter much in terms of gucci's first week sales. i certainly dont think cocaine blunts is going to matter in terms of gucci's street buzz. thats not where ppl are hearing gucci from. they're getting from traditional physical mixtapes & youtubes of mixtape tracks. Also from club play. 99.99% of gucci fans have no idea what cocaine blunts is.

you would know more than me but i dont think that's completely true - surely a large portion of his fanbase doesnt get its shit from a rap blog but you gotta think that the few that do spread his shit either thru word of mouth or going and calling his shit in to radio...it's not a direct effect but could there be a non-negligible ripple effect early adopters on computers start?

yeah, like, blogs had no hand in "photoshoot" becoming a super popular gucci song - but it is his most searched for track on youtube, he performs it live even tho it's never been officially released, he made a video for it like 8 months after it came out all because it just accumulated buzz 'organically' - in clubs & through word of mouth & things like that

basically like the end game is this - if gucci mane charts on pazz & jop next year, "early" gucci mane backers like us & noz & brandon soderbergh could be like, okay yeah we def had a hand in making it so that critics could & would accept gucci mane - but if he sells 250,000 copies of an album in his first week that's all going to be because of tons of other things

yeah i mean -- real popularity comes from radio & clubs & mixtapes & people's genuine reactions to the music, the media can wag the dog a little more w/ rap than it could in the 90s but it's still ultimately secondary. critics/blogs/magazines can steer the ship a little bit and have an effect on where it goes but it doesn't exist without all that other stuff creating the audience for that artist.

you would know more than me but i dont think that's completely true - surely a large portion of his fanbase doesnt get its shit from a rap blog but you gotta think that the few that do spread his shit either thru word of mouth or going and calling his shit in to radio...it's not a direct effect but could there be a non-negligible ripple effect early adopters on computers start?

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dude, blogs were total late adopters to gucci. he was huge 'irl' before we even wrote about him

we were early adopters in terms of media coverage, & w/ certain socioeconomic pplz, but thats it

yeah if you look on last.fm, his most listened to tracks in the past 6 months is shit from his first album & earlier mixtape stuff

yeah i feel you, i do not live in an urban area and have no hip-hop radio station, and given that he's yet to make a dent on the mainstream chart he flew under my radar until i read about him on the internet

rap radio here was super late to playing him, "freaky gurl" was still probably the only song people played barely at all right up until "wasted"/"break up"/"obsessed" hit

I haven't heard Gucci at all on the rap station here.

hes huge here ... lots of mixtape tracks got radio play ... but then he tours here constantly & when he was asked about his favorite places to play outside of the south he said 'the midwest' & named detroit, chicago, cleveland specifically.

'photo shoot' was all over power 92 in chicago 6 months ago

fair enough. being a lol britisher, my view of these things is never going to be an educated one. i always thought up until the past year, with things like the sms thing happening before he come out of prison he was a joke. nothing, even freaky gurl was played on 1xtra, you only knew his name from lol news 'rapper with ridiculous bart simpson chain is in jail' stories.

the Gucci/Sean Garrett/Mario song has grown on me to the point that I think it might be favorite mainstream(ish) Gucci song of the year

I can't really explain it but I think it's incredible...it's addictive

i don't wear tight jeans like the white boys
but i do get wasted like the white boys

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^^^otm

i also really like "We Steady Mobbin" because of the "ooohh kemosabee big ballin is my hobbyyyeeee" line

um

is this where No Homo would typically go?

no this is the part where i wonder if you're saying you don't know this song or if you're just excited that someone is quoting it for some bizarre reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VayanbZHXC0

the slathering of autotune and melody that make it such a weirdly perfect update (the nh thing in case i'm missing some innuendo i don't even really get why it's kemosabee in the first place)

i believe we discussed "big ballin" in a poll didnt we