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It's good for the "read it fast before the Sunday mass" line but it does sound like Sebadoh

listening to “all my friends” now for the first time in probably 5+ years…I love CRCR the way it is, but I’m team morrisp on this point

I forgot this song was called Sebadoh on an early boot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH3pLG_RTjs

Wow, I forgot that too…

I love “Vampire,” but I don’t think I would’ve made the connection

i totally see it, for sure

Pavement: a variety of bands in one band

I guess Malk was so hyper-conscious of "recycling" at that time that he felt the need to (alt-)title a song "Ell Ess Two" (would *anyone* have noticed it uses the same chords as "Loretta's Scars"?)

I didn't notice that until I saw the "working titles" in the liner notes, after listening to the album 4-5 times

I guess this is the CRCR thread, but I listened to the new remaster/new sequence of Terror Twilight over lunch. It’s such a strange fun album!!

Godrich is having more fun than ever before or since, acting as Roxy Music’s Eno. The way the guitars feed through an H909 endlessly to the middle of the stereo field on The Hexx is so inspired and amazing

I can’t tell if Malkmus’s lyrics have gone from skewing-slack to skewing-arch— the opening lyric of Shady Lane from BTC already feels light years away from the bleah-bleah-bleah on Our Singer, so this isn’t particular to this album— and so many couplets on TT are admirable and beautiful, but he feels closer in tone to a future Matthew Friedberger than he does to his younger self. The vocal mic choice is a big change, too, he “sounds good” which is a weird and perhaps less-effective choice for his style

Great album tho, 10/10

Oh and Spit On A Stranger was always a good opening track but it’s a GREAT closing track, love the new sequence

I love The Hexx. I'd say top 5 Pave song for me

And the new sequence does make more sense and presents TT as the adventurous "prog" album it wants to be

Only just learned that it was Spit On A Stranger released as the single outside the US whereas we got Carrot Rope, which sounds much more like a pop single to me

My questionable opinion is that Spit and Carrot should have been a non LP double A-side single, so that TT could be a darker psych rock album

I also prefer this live version of Carrot to the album one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rw07n6gcg

oof the other band members can barely play that

wow ... never seen that video and *never* seen the band in that configuration, with Spiral behind SM on keys and ... who is that playing guitar in the Batman shirt and standing in Spiral's usual spot?

admittedly my memory is not what it once was but i don't remember them ever bringing an extra person on tour until Rebecca in the past couple of years? was this a one-off for a TV show?

That is their guitar tech Andy Dimmack in the video playing 2nd guitar.

admittedly my memory is not what it once was but i don't remember them ever bringing an extra person on tour until Rebecca in the past couple of years? was this a one-off for a TV show?

Pavement was briefly a 6 piece with 3 guitarists (Rob Chamberlin) in the Slanted era but Rob left (!) to start his own band (Sugartime) who put out a couple good singles. Rob was an old buddy of Steve and DCB's from the Ectoslavia/UVA days.

Right, good info, thanks. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of an established band bringing along extra members to help play/sing all the stuff as the arrangements and budgets get a bit bigger. I've been intently paying attn to this band for 30 years and I don't remember ever seeing Andy's face!

Yeah, that video (and the configuration) was a new one for me too...

I might have gone too hard on my hot takes earlier. I listened to the album again with the dog at the beach and it holds up well, but I do still think this is the least interesting album by pavement. Too sentimental at parts, too "MTV" at others. But the least interesting pavement album is still a great album and I enjoyed listening to it. I will underline my filmore jive is pavementxradiohead opinion though.

Fgti so otm about TT, but i can't stand "our singer" slander. That's a perfect closer and a perfect "young man's yearning" song. Yeah whatever, the theme might be juvenile, but juveniles need music too and that's some of the best of it.

Oh no, perhaps I wasn’t communicating well: I LOVE Our Singer. “Bleah-bleah-bleah” was meant to be a compliment

fillmore jive does not resemble radiohead in any way shape or form, i am sorry

Xp Thanks for clarifying, I had all systems ready to go for defence. That's a top 10 pavement song to me

You are a light bridge/outro so damn good
"Button the strippers and quarantine nippers" best sm lyric

Agree to disagree voodoo. First minute? Sure, not radiohead, but not great. Next section? pavement does the pablo honey/ proto-the-bends, but worse. I also think it's got some of the worst soloing sm ever put down.

I'll lay off the filmore negativity now. For anyone that loves it, all the power to you.

the intro—slowly strummed upper-extended guitar chords—could literally be anything

the soloing and fuzzy guitar sounds like the soloing and fuzzy guitar from…”silence kit” and “cut your hair,” which i guess are both songs you said you also don’t like so idk if we will ever approach this album or band the same way