A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

broadcasting live from mars

btw guys

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carry on

Neil Peart actually organized the Buddy Rich memorial with Buddy's daughter, if I remember correctly.

To taint metal drummers by comparing them to Lars Ulrich is a travesty.

" I challenge you to walk the halls of my practice space building on a tuesday night and repeat those two statements."

Any time.

Maybe in the US, but in Britland, all the (rock) things indie was an alternative to have disappeared

No, I think whoever said this was OTM. Hip-hop, RnB, dance have all been squeezed big time. You might get the odd Kanye song on Radio 1, but compared to the 90s/early 00s, our popular music culture is incredibly monotonous.

To taint metal drummers by comparing them to Lars Ulrich is a travesty.

dude i'm not saying all metal drummers are bad, but there's tons of dudes that do that dead ass alice in chains stuff to this day, and bad metallica shit....to say that they are on the whole better than any other genre is just wrong....

I like Lars! I mean as a metal drummer, not as a modified funk drummer.

Gotcha Matt-I agree

x post.

I think Lars is weak, especially compared to some to the guys from his scene (Lombardo, Bostaph, Menza).

actually alice in chains are secretly one of the most influential rock bands of all time, if you ever dig into suburban sports bar type scenes.

otm

"bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart"

yeah like two gay dudes who pretty much lived in a van for weeks at a time wouldn't fuck each other

wow this is some bullshit

that's exactly why we should let grant hart in the army.

shit shouldn't

either way

also grant is apeshit crazy

I know Grant is apeshit crazy. The absolute gall of artdamages' comment is still offensive.

I get the sense it was a joke.

yeah i know, that's why i made the whole army joek thing...although...i don't know how any redblooded gay dude could manage to keep his hands off this hott dish for two weeks:

http://www.artrocity.com/rockshots/images/BOBM03.JPG

thats a picture of a baby

a sexy baby

"hott dish" = cream of wheat?

hot dish forever, casserole never!

The absolute gall of artdamages' comment is still offensive.

otm but good luck with that one M, I mean as Big Hoos notes "it's a joke"

can we have a different thread at the top of the new answers page plz

good thing you bumped it

From the OED entry for "miscegenate, v.":

1994 Harper's July 49/1 Clogging, Scotch-Irish in origin and the dance of choice in Appalachia,..has now miscegenated with square dancing and honky-tonk boogie to become..country tap dance.

otm but good luck with that one M, I mean as Big Hoos notes "it's a joke"

-- J0hn D., Wednesday, 17 October 2007 21:32

As an earnest statement it would be offensive. As a joke it's just in bad taste. There's a difference.

But I'm speaking for myself, obviously. Feel free to be offended.

I'll remember art damages' advice next time I walk into a straight bar. The first one to look at my crotch gets a punch in the face.

i didn't feel like my comment took any gall. i won't try to back it up though because whats the difference what an artist's intentions are?

guys artdamages is gay.

and black.

(wouldn't that be awesome?)

Here's a very recent pic of Grant Hart

http://lh4.google.com/yonilizer/Ruw6h8D8w_I/AAAAAAAAAng/AEPOBLqvyVE/2grantplymell.jpg

SFJ has moved on to praising Tori Amos and Radiohead on the respective blogs, I suppose we should all move on too

respective NYer and personal blogs, rather

Not much Africa in Radiohead.

two gay guys walk into a bar ...

... and walk right back out because the music sucks.

uh, a straight bar damn it

otm re: "peacebone"

"(wouldn't that be awesome?)"

yes.

fair enough, then--hadn't realized it was a joke

This isn't actually the best format for debating/discussing an article as provocative as SFJ's, is it? I'm certainly looking forward to Carl Wilson's response piece in Slate tomorrow (apparently).

Here's a very recent pic of Grant Hart

-- dally, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:50 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

best post on thread

Here's a very recent pic of miscegenation.

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Hey, did he remember to call Merritt a racist this time?

(I like SFJ, and even agree with him re: why a lot of indie rock is boring as fuck, but he should be forced to drop acid and watch a loop of Watermelon Man for weeks).

Hey, did he remember to call Merritt a racist this time?

Wait, what's this in reference to?

http://www.slate.com/id/2141421/

ILM Mega-thread on it somewhere.

I figured it was about the thread, which I've been looking for forever.

I didn't know anything about the J-Hop beef, though.