Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

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Hoping George Soros buys the iconic tower

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:12 (one month ago) link

I still remember the first time I visited New York, circa 1989, and was struck by just how ugly Trump Tower is. It looks like a giant turd on Fifth Avenue.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:13 (one month ago) link

Which is what made it all the more surprising when the Trump tower in Chicago didn't look like dogshit. That is it didn't before he had to piss his name all over the side in giant letters.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:14 (one month ago) link

Hoping George Soros buys the iconic tower

and immediately demolishes it

walking on the beach in a force ten gale (Matt #2), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:18 (one month ago) link

it's a very sad situation

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:27 (one month ago) link

Letitia James is basically Al Queda--trying to take down this iconic New York tower

President Keyes, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:40 (one month ago) link

Ironically, the laughter was deafening when America first made Trump president. There won't be any laughter if it happens again though.

Tom D (the first British Asian ILXor) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:40 (one month ago) link

Next week the Donald will have to move into Trump Trailer if things don’t work out.

― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Wednesday, March 20, 2024 3:11 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

SNORT

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:44 (one month ago) link

I hope George Soros buys it and renames it Barack Obama Tower.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 20:56 (one month ago) link

Some interesting points, pulled from Bluesky discussion:

• The appeal process is going to take years, so not being able to post the bond means he's completely fucked even if he eventually wins. And this isn't the kind of thing a president can pardon himself out of.

• The deadline for team Trump to file an appeal is 8/26–they can get two extensions of 30 days and maybe a bit more, but if the AG is foreclosing and forcing sales, they may want to move this along. Argument will happen before the end of the year and a decision will issue about two months later.

• The start of asset seizure will likely cause a cascading devaluation of his other assets, leaving him with a collapsing house of cards.

• It will take a while to seize the real property. Any existing lien holders will have a chance to get in there first, stake a claim and slow the whole process down. But any known bank accounts can probably be cleaned out within the week if the paperwork is in order.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 21:10 (one month ago) link

What was the name of that song?

“You Played Yourself”?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 21:11 (one month ago) link

4 years ago the country couldn't buy toilet paper.

Soon he won't be able to

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 21:30 (one month ago) link

Or maybe he'll be able to trade a few packs of cigarettes for a roll.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 21:31 (one month ago) link

Which TP is worth more?
Toilet paper or Trump Properties

President Keyes, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 22:44 (one month ago) link

President Biden, speaking at a Texas fundraiser: "Just the other day, this defeated looking man came up to me and said: 'Mr. President I need your help. I'm in crushing debt. I'm completely wiped out.' I had to say, 'Donald, I can't help you'."

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) March 21, 2024

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:11 (one month ago) link

Cold.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:12 (one month ago) link

Hahahaha

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:14 (one month ago) link

yo is it true donald god sonned by a biden after a campaign beef??????

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:15 (one month ago) link

I love how he (or his speechwriter) flipped the “men come up to me with tears in their eyes, saying sir, sir” goof of recent times into this banger

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:15 (one month ago) link

Keep 'em comin', Joe, bring on the mockery.

Tom D (the first British Asian ILXor) (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:16 (one month ago) link

Meantime, Engoron has provided more details on what the monitor overseeing the business will be doing and what the obligations from Trump's side are. Fairly dry but I appreciate the stringency.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:33 (one month ago) link

he told that joke at the gridiron dinner too.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:34 (one month ago) link

If my sense of how the Trump Organization has operated in the past is even minimally correct, that Engoron court order will eliminate or alter nearly every one of their common "business practices". Donald and his shady deals are going to be put into a strait jacket.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link

It's notable that the order also indicates any surety bond planning has to go through her too -- IOW, the thing Trump's still trying to work out before Monday.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:47 (one month ago) link

You love to see it. For those ilxors who continually bewail that Trump has never yet suffered any consequences, this court order should be required reading. Not every legal action against him will succeed as we would like, but the two Carroll defamation judgments and this NY fraud case are bearing delicious fruit.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:53 (one month ago) link

Keep 'em comin', Joe, bring on the mockery.

agree.

still haunted by that time obama got him at the press corp dinner. but times are different. nobody will be surprised by trump these days. if he manages a new but as devastating reply, i should say he's the devil.

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:09 (one month ago) link

get him

lag∞n, Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:45 (one month ago) link

lol

The twice-impeached Trump – currently the presumptive Republican presidential nominee – continued: “Democrats think that this will intimidate me. They think that if they take my cash to stifle my campaign, that I’ll GIVE UP!

“But worst of all? They think that YOU will abandon me, and that you will GIVE UP on our country. Here’s one thing they don’t know: WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER!”

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:48 (one month ago) link

just a little more time

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:49 (one month ago) link

no matter how many golf courses they seize from us

lag∞n, Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link

Just a little more time, to be sure, how I feeeeeeel

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link

I will admit that economics tends to fly over my head somewhat, but can anyone explain what one word of this gibberish actually means?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/21/trump-truth-social

Digital World is a meme stock, the term for an equity that is boosted by amateur investors on online forums via internet memes (an image, video or piece of text that is copied and passed around, often re-emerging with slight alterations).

The most famous example of meme stock-boosting is GameStop, a US video game retailer that, although it appeared to be trending downwards in terms of its business prospects, suddenly attained a valuation of more than $22bn at the peak of a buying frenzy in 2021 – but is now worth just over $4bn.

In one meme example on the Digital World page on Reddit, a photograph of Trump pointing is emblazoned with the slogan “He’s Right! Get More DWAC [Digital World Acquisition Corp]!” Another shows a bald eagle carrying the US flag in its talons with the letters DWAC above it.

Julian Klymochko, the chief executive of Accelerate Financial Technologies, which has a Spac-focused fund, says Digital World’s soaring valuation has become detached from the fundamental value of Trump Media and its sales of less than $5m.

“The stock’s market capitalisation is completely unhinged from its underlying fundamental business value. The stock price is solely based on being a meme stock,” he says.

walking on the beach in a force ten gale (Matt #2), Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:56 (one month ago) link

can anyone explain what one word of this gibberish actually means?

Morons People are buying stock in DWAC in order to show tribal loyalty and jockey for status within the in-group of terminal suckers hardcore Trump fans.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:00 (one month ago) link

it just means trump fans are driving the stock price of a company hes associated with up because they like him not because the company is actually worth what theyre paying

which somewhat resembles the "meme stock" phenomenon of people banding together online to drive the stock price of a company up, tho in that case theyre doing it to make money not cause theyre fans, mostly i think

lag∞n, Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:05 (one month ago) link

TrumpFans might be a good, wholesome venture for bored investors

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:33 (one month ago) link

$75 - one Trump Steak
$150 - 1 Trumpcoin
$500 - Trump football jersey (for Team America)
$5,000 - autographed pic of Trump wearing football jersey
$50,000 - autographed pic of Trump wearing only the football jersey

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:39 (one month ago) link

I think the Trump fans (and other small time investors who love meme stocks) who are buying into the Digital World stock based on the buzz around it being the vehicle for an IPO of Truth Social definitely believe they will make money from it. I'd put my money on the more experienced meme stock traders to make money on this. Ordinary Trump devotees who get lured in are just being set up as the 'bigger fools' in this deal.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link

The stock’s market capitalisation is completely unhinged from its underlying fundamental business value.

feel like you could say this about a great many things

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:34 (one month ago) link

I love the inference that businesses are fleeing because of his trial. Also, "a true Trump Hater".

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:48 (one month ago) link

is "ELECTION INTERFERENCE" an instruction to his supporters?

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:50 (one month ago) link

and his attorneys failed to file timely paperwork for a jury trial

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:52 (one month ago) link

the Jon Lovitz reference is very weird but I think a good insight to how his brain works

frogbs, Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:56 (one month ago) link

On some level in Trump's mind it is always 1986.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:58 (one month ago) link

I like to see if there is a possible hidden message in what he chooses to put in all caps:

THIN AIR, CRAZY, VERY EXPENSIVE FLEEING ELECTION INTERFERENCE

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:00 (one month ago) link

xp before everyone hated him

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:01 (one month ago) link

This Axios story is worth bookmarking as a reference/explainer:

What may happen if Trump can't secure $464M bond in New York fraud case

Former President Trump has until Monday to post a $464 million bond to appeal New York's fraud case against him or else New York Attorney General Letitia James may begin to collect the court-ordered damages in the case.

Why it matters: Trump's lawyers said this week securing a bond that size has been "impossible" after they approached more than two dozen companies and none were willing to cover the amount.

Trump has denied any wrongdoing in the case.

The latest: James took a first step toward seizing Trump's properties by filing judgements on March 6 in Westchester County, according to the county clerk's online database.

It suggests James may seek to seize and sell the Trump National Golf Club Westchester or his Seven Springs private estate north of Manhattan to help fulfill the judgement.

What does this indicate about Trump's finances?
Trump's lawyers said no company would accept his real estate as collateral and would only accept cash or cash equivalents.

Trump's inability to secure a bond under those terms at the very least suggests he lacks access to a large amount of liquid assets.

This may in part be because he posted a nearly $92 million bond earlier this month to appeal the $83.3 million in damages he was ordered to pay writer E. Jean Carroll for defamation by denying her sexual assault allegations.

What is a bond?
In this case, it's a guarantee that the money for the damages will be available in case Trump's appeals ultimately fail.

Typically, a defendant hoping to appeal legal damages will approach companies to post the bond on its behalf in exchange for a fee that's a percentage of the total bond amount.

The bond is usually covered by cash or other liquid assets presented by the defendant as collateral. Real estate is rarely accepted as collateral because of the lengthy appraisal process and its value being influenced by market fluctuations.

The bond allows defendants to exhaust their legal options while protecting the court from frivolous appeals. It also shields plaintiffs from dishonest tactics to delay payment and from the defendant's financial situation.

What's next: If the appeals fail, the defendant will be required to pay the judgment. If they can't, the plaintiff may collect the damages from the bond company and the defendant would be required to reimburse the company.

If a defendant wins the appeal and the damages are overturned or reduced, the company still retains the fee.

Why is Trump's appeal amount so high?
Trump's bond is nearly half a billion dollars because he was ordered to pay nearly that amount in damages and interest after being found liable for financial fraud for falsifying business records.

New York law requires defendants in civil cases to post a bond worth at least 110% of the judgment amount to delay paying the penalty as they appeal.

Since Trump is on the hook for $454 million in the civil fraud lawsuit, his appeal bond is $464 million.

What they're saying: Trump's lawyers said securing that is a "practical impossibility" because only a very few companies would accept a bond of that amount.

The only ones that would accept the bond require collateral worth approximately $557 million in the form of cash or cash equivalents and would charge nearly $20 million in fees, his lawyers said.

What happens if Trump can't pay?
James could have started collecting on the damages after the judgment was imposed in January, but she gave Trump and his co-defendants a 30-day grace period to arrange a bond or prepare to pay the judgment.

If the grace period ends on March 25 without a bond posting, James will be entitled to collect.

She could begin seizing and selling Trump's properties to fulfill the judgment. James has said she would do so if he can't pay, though actually doing so could be politically contentious.

It would also be legally complex given the tangled structure and financing used by his businesses.

James could also give Trump more time to pay the damages or arrange a lower amount through a counterproposal.

Besides the bond, what can Trump do?
Trump has asked an appeals court to pause collecting on the judgment while he appeals or to accept a much lower bond of $100 million. However, it's not certain the appeals court will rule before the March 25 deadline.

If it rules against Trump, he could appeal to the state's highest court, but there's no guarantee he would be able to prevent James from collecting if he did so.

Trump could come up with the liquidity needed for the bond collateral by selling one of his properties, though such a fast sell would likely come with major financial losses.

He could also have the businesses implicated in the case declare bankruptcy, which would prevent James from collecting but would significantly damage his reputation and could ignite more litigation over corporate debts.

Context: Considering some of Trump's companies had a string of bankruptcies in the 1990s and early 2000s that nearly financially ruined him, it's unlikely his companies will file for bankruptcy again.

While Trump campaign fundraising committees have started using the bond deadline and the potential property seizures in donation requests, it won't help with the bond or judgement.

One appeal to supporters said, "Keep your filthy hands off of Trump Tower," in response to James' threat to seize Trump's properties to pay the judgment.

The Federal Elections Commission allows certain campaign funds to be used to pay for legal expenses, but using funds to pay a bond or a judgement would likely violate campaign finance laws.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:07 (one month ago) link

"Even though I did nothing wrong, the crooked Hades, a very unpopular god, has refused to allow my soul free passage. He is demanding that I stay in his house, which he keeps very dark and cold, and is always full of mist. (What is he trying to hide??) Your drachmae will help me expose this creep, who is one of the biggest Trump haters around, and blow the lid off his so-called Underworld!" - Memorial inscription, Trump Sarcophagus

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:11 (one month ago) link


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