In Praise of....Peggy Suicide by Julian Cope

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I have a bunch of JCope demos from this time, including a "title Track", and none of that's here.

Mark G, Thursday, 13 August 2009 08:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Basically, cd 2 is just b-sides (while Uptight has been added to the original tracklist, it was previously available only on the lp version).

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 13 August 2009 09:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"Uptight" was on the cassette originally as well. But yeah -- some stuff seems missing.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 13 August 2009 11:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it probable Cope isn't giving Virgin the rights to anything they didn't already release, thus we get promos and b-sides while demos and things Cope fans want stay in Julian's hands? Maybe he'll put out something through his own label covering the birth processes of Peggy Suicide.

Second question - is this thing only going to be a stupidly expensive import, or is it getting released Stateside? I'd love to have "Uptight" on something besides cassette, but c'mon.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 13 August 2009 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd imagine that if it was up to Cope, the re-release just wouldn't be happening, being that he is, after all, a self-styled "forward-looking mofo."

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Did he have any input or contribute in any way to the Jehovahkill deluxe version a few years back? I haven't seen or heard it (or even looked at a tracklist, come to think of it).

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Neither me.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for the help Alex!

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link

This looks very nice but not sure if I'll shell out for a $25+ import.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, he's always announced the re-releases on his site, so..

Mark G, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

He's no Morrissey slamming his ex-labels, but it's a shame that the Peggy Suicide remaster is entirely previously released, esp. when people know other stuff is out there.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 13 August 2009 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

"Did he have any input or contribute in any way to the Jehovahkill deluxe version a few years back? I haven't seen or heard it (or even looked at a tracklist, come to think of it)"

Yes, he and Mick Houghton wrote the (quite funny) liner notes. The Jehovakill bonus cd (see tracklist below) was again based on b-sides and Ep's, but I never had that material so the deluxe version was pretty good for me (it also included a 20-minutes version of Poet Is Priest that I cant remember if it was previously released):

Titles on disc 2
1.: Nothing
2.: I Have Always Been Here Before (13th Floor Elevators cover)
3.: This Is My Kin
4.: Michael Rother
5.: Gogmagog
6.: Gone
7.: Vivien
8.: You Gotta Show
9.: Sqwubbsy The Olmec
10.: Sizewell B
11.: Paleface
12.: Free
13.: Poet Is Priest (full length)
14.: Starry Eyes

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 13 August 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I found that version of "Poet Is Priest" on some blog - it had no attributions, so didn't know it was released on this. Very good song.

That Julian was involved bodes well for Peggy Suicide. But I really don't want to spend $30+ for an album I've already purchased in two configurations. Grr.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 13 August 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I paid $1 for Peggy Suicide the last time I bought it.

akm, Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

^ from the titles there's a bunch of previously unreleased stuff on that Jehovahkill 2nd disc (at least, I don't recognise half of them)

As far as a supporting material compilation goes, the Peggy bonus disc is actually pretty good! Most people won't have any of that stuff, let's face it.

more funny and original than, 'ow you say, a penis (sic), Friday, 14 August 2009 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link

The problem with the bonus disc of the Peggy Suicide deluxe edition is that while all that stuff was previously only available on vinyl, most of it kind of sucks. Heed, the Head remix, is pretty good, but the rest of it is meh.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 14 August 2009 05:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Disagree! All the remixes are decent to ace, the two demos off the tour 7” are interesting, and half the b-sides are totally good*. The worst three tracks are stuck away at the end of the disc, too.

*FSVO “good” based on leftover-Peggy-Suicide-stylee wanky jam noodles

more funny and original than, 'ow you say, a penis (sic), Friday, 14 August 2009 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Honestly, I like even weirder stuff like Straw Dogs and Anyway At All, and I'm just disappointed that they didn't find enough space to include a silly little song like Bagged-Out Ken.

ps the Jehovakill bonus disc is excellent and absolutely on par with the album: Neu-like jams, spooky acoustic sketches, off-kilter krautpunk...its very good.

Marco Damiani, Friday, 14 August 2009 07:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I wasn't that taken with J-Kill, it would seem I'd enjoy the bonus disc more.

Mark G, Friday, 14 August 2009 08:39 (fourteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

What a mad album.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 October 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link

put it on while I did laundry this morning, still a fun rollercoaster ride through all sorts of stuff... Leperskin and Las Vegas Basement sounding especially nice.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 12 October 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link

I did mention a JC demo cassette upthread, I did eventually sell it to a super fan who sent me a complete analysis of each track, most of which I had thought were the same as eventually released with three or four exceptions. Turns out they were all different except for two or three exceptions.

It did get a write up in Record Collector a few years later. Still unheard by the genpub, not even on bootleg or download.

I still have my copyoff, obviously.

Mark G, Saturday, 12 October 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link

share that shit with the rest of the class

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 12 October 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link

was always annoyed they left "Uptight" off the deluxe CD edition

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 12 October 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link

I loved this when it came out. Still feels to me like the pinnacle of his output

akm, Sunday, 13 October 2019 03:39 (four years ago) link

They should have added "Jung kie" to the deluxe, but never mind.

Mark G, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link

Never got why people praise this album over Jehovahkill and Autogeddon, both of which I greatly prefer, but I ought to give this another listen soon regardless

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link

I prefer Jehovahkill too, but still!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

The run from the China Doll EP through Interpreter is all pretty much top tier Julian Cope. I don't like 20 Mothers quite as much as the others but that's just me.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link

I hadn't notice until yesterday's drive that "Safesurfer" and Roxy's "If There is Something" share DNA.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 October 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link


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