Search and Destroy: Mariah Carey

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Sorry for not being as into vocal technique as you, what a dope I must be

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Etc etc

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting digression.

the aversion to ballads among (GENERALIZATION ALERT!) white R&B/hip-hop listeners comes from being beholden to only the beat, and not considering the lyrics, tone, subject matter that those productions deliver. the bangers are where you lose yourself in a crowd, but the ballads are where you lose yourself in yourself...

I think this is a good explanation, Jams, but I also think it smacks of injunctions as to how to listen 'correctly' (your generalization point is noted, though!). I'll freely admit to preferring the beat straight up, but I would prefer this most of the time in just about ANYTHING, r'n'b or not. Reflective musical introspection from where I sit more often than not relies on music providing/enabling that mood rather than lyrics, tone etc. Not universally, sure, but consistently and much more often than not for me at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone who has had "years of experience" with this type of stuff wouldn't say something as asinine and incorrect as "This whole modernish long boring notune warbling thing, all INSPIRATIONAL" as if groups/artists like Otis Redding, Earth, Wind and Fire, Parliament, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, Minnie Ripperton, Donna Summer, Billie Holliday, etc etc etc didn't exist.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Read the thread

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I am shocked and amazed to learn that I was the first ever post on this thread.

Oh, and Mariah Carey is viscous, foul-smelling stain on the already soiled underwear of vomitous popular culture.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

(And if the music doesn't provide/enable and leaves me bored then there ya go. Random example: I think D'Angelo's way around Them Slowies is great, Mr. Kelly clearly knows what he is doing, Beyonce's on the solo album made me tear my hair out in frustration. If that's the Obvious Rockist White Boy conclusion to be drawn in some people's minds, though, then just gimme the cyanide now since this world has finally gotten too annoying to live in. ;-) )

Um, rather xpostish.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

them slowies?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The slow songs of what are slow and balladlike.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I did read the thread. You're still wrong.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

btw david, "it's like that" isn't the first single from mimi. the first single was "we belong together," which is a GREAT ballad.
-- Jams Murphy (ystrickle...), April 21st, 2005.

I don't understand what you mean at all. "It's Like That" has been all over radio and TV for months and "We Belong Together" is just now starting to get airplay. the latter may have been a teaser single before the former was released but it's currently being treated as the follow-up.

also I love how Eric Roberts has continued his streak of weird video cameos from "Mr. Brightside" into both of the new Mariah vids. she leaves him at the alter in "We Belong Together"!

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Despite loving all that old shit you named? WOW. How can I get right?

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

haha in tribute to saul bellow eric roberts will be performing as moses herzog on mtv the rest of the year

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

He's the new old Kevin Bacon!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not surprised that "It's Like That" isn't the "official" first single, but: it was the track being previewed on the official website a month or so ago, and it's getting a LOT of radio play, while I've yet to hear "We Belong Together" anywhere.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

That's what I get, tho, when I listen to DJs mixing live, where a ballad isn't going to get ANY play.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember reading that she basically switched the first single a bunch of times at first, "It's Like That" was the 3rd attempt and the one that ultimately took off and got a video and everything.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"we belong together" was released as a 12-inch single at least six weeks ago -- way before "it's like that."

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

YOU'RE ALL WRONG - "vision of love" was mariah's first single.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Huh. I think I first heard "It's Like That" 6 weeks ago! (My timetable w/ singles, tho, is so out of whack, so "6 weeks" might be "3 weeks".) (& I assume that, if I did hear it, it was courtesy of a pre-release leak.)

Hi, Blount!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

gah, semantics. I don't know when "It's Like That" was out on 12" but it's been on the radio to some degree since at least January. in the public mind it's been the lead single, is all I was saying.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"A third song from Mariah Carey's upcoming album, The Emancipation of Mimi, has been leaked, only this one has the makings of a radio hit. "It's Like That," featuring Jermaine Dupri, is getting play on urban radio stations in New York, Chicago and Dallas so far, though there's no word yet from Carey's label if this song will eventually be released as a single. ..."

- MTV News, January 4th
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1495306/20050104/story.jhtml

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

say somethin' was the other leaked track.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd love to know when it ("Bacardi / party") first popped up, tho.

Bingoboys - "How to Dance" maybe??

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Debuted at #1. And sold 404k. Yeowza.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
yancey is totally otm about 'We Belong Together'. how amazing! I never expected it to be THAT good. I'm going to track down Mimi asap.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 4 July 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

it's the album of the year. easily.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

The needless gesticulation-synchronized melismata during her Live 8 performance made me pine for a flame-spewing meteorite to fall from the heavens, crushing her in a warble-silencing cataclysm.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

alex, i love you, but i thought she was great.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

She was much, much, much better on the VMAs than she was on the BET Awards.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

WBT instantly washes out the bad taste left by "It's Like That". Does my heart good to see Mariah on top again.

And yeah, she was fab at Live8 and the VMAs.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"It's Like That" is pretty great Bill!

I like this whole album a lot. The first time I bought it and listened through I was disappointed, but its grown on me immensely. I just don't understand why the advance I downloaded ages ago had that awesome extra bonus cut "Secret Love" produced by Swizz Beats that was CRUELLY cut from the final tracklist! Damn you!

I also love how the Dupri-Nelly imitation song samples "Just an Illusion" which is my jam.

deej.., Monday, 11 July 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

that track is pretty good, yeah.

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

i like Rainbow

Surmounter, Friday, 12 September 2008 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

how bout that cover of Take a look at me now?

Surmounter, Friday, 12 September 2008 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Rainbow and Glitter are the only two albums of hers I can listen to ... major portions of. I guess Butterfly has its moments too.

Eric H., Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link

i did not know you liked rainbow :)

Surmounter, Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I met Mariah back stage one day and fucked her in her ass. She absolutely loved it and asked me to do it to her again after the show. She really does have a small, skinny ass and I wish she would clean it more often.

peace, love, and ban deeznuts (The Reverend), Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link

:(

Surmounter, Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:56 (fifteen years ago) link

"Liked" is going a little bit far, but I can corroborate The Rev's story.

Eric H., Saturday, 13 September 2008 02:29 (fifteen years ago) link

haha pasted from upthread

peace, love, and ban deeznuts (The Reverend), Saturday, 13 September 2008 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Always be My Baby is the greatest song ever written.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 27 February 2009 00:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I met Mariah back stage one day and fucked her in her ass. She absolutely loved it and asked me to do it to her again after the show. She really does have a small, skinny ass and I wish she would clean it more often.

― peace, love, and ban deeznuts (The Reverend), Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:55 AM (5 months ag

lolololz

pussy spread like the rainbow (The Brainwasher), Friday, 27 February 2009 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah rev otm

the powerful claw (J0rdan S.), Friday, 27 February 2009 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

i'm sorry but i have to say that i am saddened by that, rev.

the whole Butterfly album is worthwhile, very much so.

surm, Tuesday, 23 June 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://twitter.com/MariahCarey/status/19813217327

never change, mimi <3 <3 <3

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 July 2010 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Dear lord. I had to listen to that butchering of "Without You" the other day (that was her, wasn't it?). I shall pretend the question was not asked.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, May 2, 2001 1:00 AM (9 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a really unfortunate statement

janice (surm), Friday, 30 July 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Destroy: "Dream Lover". Oh, look. Everything detestable about Mariah in one handy package. How convenient.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, May 2, 2001 1:00 AM (9 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is also very troubling. one of the great classics.

janice (surm), Friday, 30 July 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i should stop now before i get too down on life.

janice (surm), Friday, 30 July 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link


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