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I'd like to be able to work from home...I used to say "maybe I could take some books home and catalogue them there...or e-mail the inter- library loan requests from the comfort of my room"...but, hmmmmmm, my job was never deemed important enough to be able to direct operations from my base.

james, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I worked from home two days a week for 12 months in my last job (until there was a change of management and such privileges were taken away). The dial-up connection was never fast enough to allow effective multi-tasking, so the Oracle, VMS, Outlook Express and MS Word sessions had to yield to the Web. Unfortunate, but there you go. I enjoyed the 4-hour 'lunch-breaks' most of all.

Always got stuff done though - often at 9pm on the Sunday night when server traffic was quiet and my conscience was playing up.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I tend to get a lot of dusting done. I've got a Ken Dodd 'tickling stick' now, so every cloud has a silver lining. Insect eradication can be quite time consuming too, and the cistern's got a troublesome leak that I'm going to have to try and sort out sooner or later. As a first step I have turned the water off at the stop-cock, just to make sure. Step 2 is a mystery. I might ponder it at lunchtime. I think I'll need to get some kind of watertight sealant, and I'm buggered if I'm going to waste a weekend doing that.

Peter Miller, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Working from home brings the worst insticts to the surface. That is, that housewife lurking in the subconscious region of any woman's mind after years of hearing 'tidy your room, you are worse than a bloke'. I always end up flicking through some dusty copy of Delia's, popping to Sainsbury's to purchase the ingredients and when the cooking is over, I decide it is better to get along to the office for a cup of coffee and a chat because that is really sad and we are in the 21st century and I should be more like Sarah Jessica and her mates

Laetitia, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

my brother got so mental when he was working at home (he's a web designer) that he made this website up about working from home! http://www.egrindstone.co.uk/ whenever i take a day off my real job to get stuff done at home (or work on my other stuff) i get nothing done. Apparently Magritte used to get up every morning and walk around the block as if he was leaving home and arriving at work, and he would do the same thing around teatime as if going home. Still he was rubbish at faces so what would he

ian scanlon, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

working from home: classic
working from home when your flatmate has been made redundant and is mooching around the flat with his annoying boyfriend all day: DUD DUD DUD oh god just go awayyyyyyyyy

lex pretend, Friday, 8 May 2009 11:13 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

I twisted my knee playing football last night (that's why I'd stopped playing!), and couldn't walk properly today as a result, so I emailed in sick to work, and told them I had various things I'd do online and that I'd be available via email and my work mobile. As result I've actually been marked down as "home working" today rather than on sick leave.

This is the first time I've done this (although I do, if off sick or on leave, generally check work emails reasonably regularly - especially when I was off after my hernia operation for instance), and it's been surprisingly productive; I've organised as many if not more things as I would have done had I been in the office, sent a gazillion emails chasing various things, edited a load of copy, drafted some new web pages, AND had a nap and stroked the cats. And all while wearing a pair of shorts and a t-shirt that are full of holes and not fit to be seen in public.

I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:41 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

i'm working from home today and it is fucking amazing.

-shouting abuse at co-workers who can't hear you in response to their emails
-singing along to records
-cooking your own lunch
-not bothering to pretend to work if there's a lull or you're done by 1600
-no commute obviously

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 February 2013 13:04 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

I have been working from home for almost four years. I can only see advantages. If you're office based and you have Skype, Webex and so forth I really don't see any reason *not* to. The people who still insist on buying or renting huge energy consuming, Earth destroying office space (space which could be used so much more constructively, be it for housing, parkland or given back to nature) are truly behind the curve.

What I'm interested in -- and I'm interested to know if there has been research in these areas:

(a) Has anyone done serious calculations of how much energy we could save (inter)nationally if everyone who *could* work from home did so and secondly,

(b) from a sociological point of view, the focus has been on the negative ("you can't get to know/work properly with people who don't see and physically interract with, ergo groups of home working people are doomed to failure") but shouldn't we also consider the flipside, that home working allows for people to be judged on their true merits, rather than the ad hominem nasty stuff that comes to the fore when people have to share a space?

Grandpont Genie, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:53 (five years ago) link

Heh, my wife just started doing this full-time and has liked it so far.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, a couple people at my office must have asked about the possibility because the partners sent out this really passive-aggressive email at the start of the year about how it will never be a possibility here because, basically, "it is impossible to believe that anyone could work productively out of their home". It was just laughably obnoxious and reductive about any possible benefits. (Of course, several months later one of the partners' favorites moved to Texas with her husband and was suddenly approved to work "remotely")

Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:57 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

I don't ever want to do it

with my immunocompromised status and the virus terror, I may have to

BUT

the plantation I contract for, at a pitiful wage, uses a "VPN" that requires use of your

PHONE

which I do not have and do not want

fuck apps, fuck texts

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:51 (three months ago) link

is that app PingID?

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:52 (three months ago) link

no

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:56 (three months ago) link

Full time wfh since Oct 2012. Best thing ever. Makes work not suck. Def still look forward to the weekends but I no longer dread Monday. Limits my "advancement" options but I don't care; if I could maintain current position now thru retirement I'd be thrilled.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 12 March 2020 05:03 (three months ago) link

makes personal traveling mid-week possible. it's harder now that I changed roles, but when I was working in implementations, all they cared about is that I worked, not where I worked from, so sometimes I'd head out of town mid week and bring my laptop.

did manage to go to Vegas midweek last year because i had no classes that week

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 05:04 (three months ago) link

I’m starting to wonder whether spending £4500 a year on train tickets so I can commute to London, sit in an office and have web conferences with my colleagues and customers around the world is the most productive use of my time and money. The big problem with working from home ime is that it is much harder to put a cap on the day. I’m more likely to agree to 7pm meetings or answer emails at 10pm than I am if I have physically left my place of work.

ShariVari, Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:06 (three months ago) link

Full time WFH since May 2015. It is definitely harder to put a cap on the day, though I don't really have meetings or emails to answer (I'm a web dev)

Its the job content itself as much as the WFH but I've changed around my perspective to not see work in terms of hours or blocks of time like this, but blocks of stuff that I need to have built by the end of the week or month. This means the delineation between own time and work time is more entwined. Mentally I'm kind of always at work but also never at work, I don't know if its better or not but I don't miss my 90 minute each way commute!

cherry blossom, Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:23 (three months ago) link

I feel a lot of the risk could have been mitigated if more organisations were better at actually allowing people to work staggered or different hours - fewer people on public transport at peak times, less crowding on train/tube platforms (can’t count the number of times I’ve been in a crush of a few hundred people waiting to get on a tube train) and management doesn’t have to pretend it cares about having a coherent wfh policy. My parents have never worked more than ten minutes from where they live and I envy them.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:56 (three months ago) link

I feel a lot of the risk could have been mitigated if more organisations were better at actually allowing people to work staggered or different hours - fewer people on public transport at peak times, less crowding on train/tube platforms (can’t count the number of times I’ve been in a crush of a few hundred people waiting to get on a tube train) and management doesn’t have to pretend it cares about having a coherent wfh policy. My parents have never worked more than ten minutes from where they live and I envy them.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:56 (three months ago) link

WFH today. Probably one of many. Technically I am a 'remote worker' anyway, having been made one about a year ago, but I still come into the office as it's about 10 mins cycle away. Frankly I've nowhere to work at home - I have a small desk in my room that's uncomfortable to sit at, and my sofa and kitchen table are no better.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 12 March 2020 09:58 (three months ago) link

been asked to supply emergency contact info at work in case of

lol

"adverse weather closing the office"

politics is the art of what cannot be said etc

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:10 (three months ago) link

The big problem with working from home ime is that it is much harder to put a cap on the day. I’m more likely to agree to 7pm meetings or answer emails at 10pm than I am if I have physically left my place of work.

We have a pretty flexible working culture with a lot of working from home and honestly it's great, but it only works if you're prepared to treat people like grown-ups. TBH I'd retain the same boundaries as you do in the office. I don't especially mind working a bit later if I'm not going to be commuting home, but if you do have a 7pm meeting what's to stop you taking a longer lunch break or similar. As long as you get the work done when you're supposed to, who cares?

International meetings make things harder, but one way psychologically to put a cap on the day is just to make a clean break by immediately doing something that absolutely says to yourself I Am Not At Work Any More. Cooking, opening a beer, playing a video game, whatever. If you just start tapering off it becomes very easy to get dragged back into it.

Matt DC, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:01 (three months ago) link

I'm a freelancer, about 80% of my work is on-site at various places, just had my first conversation this morning about an office shutdown, guessing that most everywhere else will follow, shit is going to get tight.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:07 (three months ago) link

no wonder u ppl are on ilx all fucking day

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:08 (three months ago) link

Been WFH since 2017. Love it. Possibly starting a 9-5 office job on Monday, though, and not sure how I feel about that (besides “thanks for the money”)...

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:18 (three months ago) link

The lifeblood of ILX the entire internet is bored office workers, moreso without the office.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:32 (three months ago) link

its a turning point in history

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:25 (three months ago) link

in a bad way

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:25 (three months ago) link

let's run all the megapolls we've been fantasising about

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:29 (three months ago) link

i hope office buildings empty out like suburban malls and are repurposed into affordable housing.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:56 (three months ago) link

Does anyone do this with kids in the house? Seems kind of impossible without turning child into tv zombie

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:59 (three months ago) link

Looks like this will be me from next week, or even maybe tomorrow. My plan is to move to the conservatory and stock up on educational software / film downloads for them.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:03 (three months ago) link

I cannot work with kids disturbing me, this is going to be hard.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:03 (three months ago) link

turn child into book and board game zombie imo

my carrom board is finally gonna get some use, v excited to get good

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:04 (three months ago) link

i hope office buildings empty out like suburban malls and are repurposed into affordable housing.

― Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:56 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:07 (three months ago) link

I wish I could find that faux-pamphlet from a few years back about an office building gradually turning into an overgrown post-apocalyptic ecosystem

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:13 (three months ago) link

I've worked from home for almost 19 years. I expect it to all come crashing down around my ears any day now.

Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:14 (three months ago) link

i don't maintain much of a social circle outside of work (mostly just my wife, my parents, and my cat) so I do think I benefit from the social aspects of coming into an office every day and interacting with people. i'm lucky in my position that I typically don't HAVE to do much interacting in any given day if I don't feel like it, but if I do then there are always people around who want to shoot the shit.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:14 (three months ago) link

Does anyone do this with kids in the house? Seems kind of impossible without turning child into tv zombie

i do but there's always another carer around. she (child not carer) occasionally comes up to spin around on my chair but generally respects the sanctity of the office space.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:20 (three months ago) link

that sanctity in full:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKxqy9SJ-0I

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:25 (three months ago) link

Spare a thought for us poor sods who can't work from home, we're dead.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:26 (three months ago) link

My first day of working at home. Not without its downsides, but I did watch an episode of Kojak during my lunch hour, and so without coronavirus I would possibly never known about this meeting of the titans

https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1346970079_6.jpg

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 20:33 (three months ago) link

I'm less likely to brush my teeth on time WFH

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 00:19 (three months ago) link

I thought you’d been running this drill for years?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 01:51 (three months ago) link

I had no use for it but bring it on!

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 01:52 (three months ago) link

xpost I have. but bad habits never change.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 03:48 (three months ago) link

the only real prob i had working from home was a) animals, who would bark in the background during meetings/training, or b) roommates. right now, "b" isn't a prob cos he's never home and even when he is, he's quiet.

my brother used to walk in the door and intentionally try to get me to laugh while I was in a meeting by yelling non-sequiturs (a man in his mid-30s, going on 12). one day he came out the bathroom singing Billy Joel at the top of his lungs, forgetting I was working, so all of my colleagues were treated to that.

animals, otoh, usually the people on the phone go "aww how cute, what breed are they?"

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 04:02 (three months ago) link

One blessing of my job is that I have not been expected to read and respond to emails outside of work hours. Based on the rules for our WFH, my management seems to be respecting this.

Recommendation of uncertain usefulness to other ILXors, based on my previous WFH experiences: Get dressed, including putting on a bra. (In my specific case, bralessness soon becomes uncomfortable, sweaty, and otherwise not conducive to work.)

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:00 (three months ago) link

I draw the line at pants (US definition) tho

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:43 (three months ago) link

got access

the daily requirement to reoort back on the detail of my work have made me rather kindly disposed to coming in

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 17:23 (three months ago) link

The dude leading my webex infoshare right now has apparent never heard of consonants, so he sounds like he's chewing on taffy.

It got so bad Chief Keef joined the meeting to complain.

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 May 2020 16:01 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

we're getting pounded right now due to COVID fucking up our staffing and upper management unable to accept that things can't be business as usual due to a global pandemic. We usually had a practice of having a week off of training whenever a class ends, to give us time to rest our voices, prepare for next class, special projects. And, this is typically our slow part of the season.

Instead, we've all been in back to back classes for over two months, were told we couldn't take any new PTO in March or April beyond what was already approved before shit hit the fan. and they told us not to expect it to slow down anytime soon, and filled our schedules up for May and June before most of us could find time to take PTO. I lucked out and am taking a week in late June.

by the time we get to busy season in September, we're all going to be gassed. thankfully travel is banned for the year due to budget.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:22 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

I just can't take it anymore. I would take an unpaid leave at this point if fucking Florida's unemployment wasn't a mess. I've had to loan my mother $3k (no fault of her own) to help pay rent and bills due to FL DEO still not paying her correctly.

we keep getting thrown into these impossible situations where they mash 7,000 people into one class and where we'd normally have someone on site to help, we obviously can't, but no adjustment to the schedule is permitted, we still have to finish on time. So this leads to a bunch of people complaining during the training, results in more technical issues which means I have to be a babysitter and keep detailed logs on every learner who has a problem, and means multiple people interrupting me and barking my name all day. all fine during a normal time of year, but when my anxiety is already bad enough to where I am not sleeping well and breathing heavily all the time, I can't take the constant "brain fry" that happens to me every day where I mentally check out by 2 pm.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:28 (yesterday) link

oh and our "busy season", starts next month, oh oh oh oh lovely

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:28 (yesterday) link

I've voluntarily come to the office three days in a row after nearly having a mental breakdown trying to work from home. Like the closest I have ever felt in my life to an actual breakdown.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:50 (yesterday) link

probably a wise idea. i had one of those at work 5 years ago where I wailed on the floor and was having nonstop palpitations....not fun at all. also sometimes just good to see other people around even if they're 700 miles away.

I don't know if I'd even go in if my class was in Orlando, given how many people are probably coming to work sick.

everybody keeps talking about how we're in a crucial period (cos we lose so many clients) and it's like, do they really think any of us are focused on what we're doing right now? even in a less fucked-up work scenario, our attention would be divided, but throw in my company's bullshit of overloading everybody while dangling the diseased carrot of layoffs in front of our noses , and most of us have just snapped.

even one of the most kip colleagues yesterday flipped out on her class for being disrespectful, which at least told me it isn't just me.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 16:57 (yesterday) link

what does your company teach? what are the classes? ... I have a complex mix of jobs right now (some due to PPP loan issues) and I do have an office to go into, which has helped, because I get to interact in person with a couple of colleagues who are also personal friends. ... Though the location of the office has made it such that sometimes it is not a good idea to go there because it is right near where many protests take place.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:14 (yesterday) link

like, one of my great fears is driving to the office and having to extricate my car from the middle of a crowd after work and losing my shit because "I just wanna go home ..." ... so on the days when major demonstrations are planned, I either work from home (most of the time) or park somewhere a few blocks away where people are less likely to congregate/march.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:18 (yesterday) link

we administer health, 401k, and pension benefits for companies who outsource the recordkeeping to us. I'm responsible for teaching people health, 401k, and pension. I like the job, hate my company, but 15 years brings me a salary and benefits here that I'm unlikely to get elsewhere.

I'm good at it and know the material front to back and in normal circumstances, I usually make it a fun experience for all, but right now, it's hard to put on a faux cheery demeanor when I'm miserable outside of work. and stressed out by the endless disorganization of my firm, who is just hiring hundreds of people to start on the same day without realizing that requires like 4 or 5 people to train them (and there's only 6 of us).

on the plus side, at least my job ends at a specific time each night. fuck being salaried during COVID....so happy I'm hourly.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:23 (yesterday) link

one of my great fears is driving to the office and having to extricate my car from the middle of a crowd after work and losing my shit because "I just wanna go home ..."

lol otm, I used to hate that

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24 (yesterday) link

Sympathies to Neanderthal and man alive.

For me, working from home with small kids (who are on track to be out of regular school for at least a year) is the main hurdle. If I am on a conference call, my non-neurotypical son gets jealous and will follow me around screaming for attention. If I go to a room with a lockable door (of which we have precisely two), he will park outside the door and pound on it, screaming. So I stay on mute until I have to say something, and then whatever I say includes an undertone of anguished screaming. Or I go outside, and whatever I say includes an undertone of traffic and birds.

In the past, much of my work was writing, which I could do at night after the kids were asleep. Now a lot of my work is managing and collaborating, which still tends to take place within traditional business hours.

Obligatory acknowledgment of privilege: my wife and I very privileged to be the kind of workers who can work from home. We are privileged to have decent jobs in the first place, and to have as many resources and options as we do. But it is still a challenge.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:37 (yesterday) link

xp oooooooh does your company also do the thing where they are the employer of smaller companies' employees (I am momentarily forgetting the acronym)? ... A few of my clients work for small tech startups and their w-2s list a corporation in Florida as their employer ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:38 (yesterday) link

Trinet! that's the Florida company

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:39 (yesterday) link

yeah YMP I feel that. my 5 yo son gets really excited to see people on a call & he loves to fight with his sister whenever I've got something going on. WFH & WFH with small children are two totally different things, not comparable in the slightest

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:40 (yesterday) link

ha speaking of that -- one of my colleagues has a 4 year old -- he was working from home one day and I called him, and there was silence and then the sounds of footsteps and then a loud high=pitched squeal (this was after a few minutes) ... the child had picked up her dad's phone and had answered it and was presumably trying to "be like dad" by walking around carrying the phone.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:45 (yesterday) link

no need to acknowledge your privilege, YMP, anyone on this board who would try and toss that at you given what you're dealing with is a fucking asshole.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:45 (yesterday) link

during our (fairly informal) team meetings there are frequently pets in the background, which my kids of course get very excited about, which leads to everyone on the call showing off their pets, which leads to my kids thinking every call is full of people who just wanna show them their dogs

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:47 (yesterday) link

xp well that sounds actually one notch harder than working from home with my two kids who just like attention a lot like most kids

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:51 (yesterday) link

no need to acknowledge your privilege, YMP, anyone on this board who would try and toss that at you given what you're dealing with is a fucking asshole.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:45 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I'm a bit tired of the internet scolds sounding more than a bit like mom reminding you there are kids starving in Africa -- sometimes it's ok to just express your unqualified frustrations

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:52 (yesterday) link

I appreciate your considerate replies, evol and man.

But at the same time I can't stop thinking about people who a) aren't working at all or b) can't work from home.

I see a lot of glib "just stay home, mfers, it's not difficult!" stuff from people who haven't appeared to consider how difficult that might be for someone whose family's financial survival depends on e.g., a in-person service-sector job. Not here on this board, but certainly in my social media orbit.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 19:59 (yesterday) link

i have found some of the "stay at home, assholes" msgs come from people who turn out to not have stayed home themselves.

not like, going out partying per se at packed bars, but a few I've known have taken out of town trips or gone to bars. with masks, distancing, etc, but that's kinda why I don't bother lobbying grenades when I know I haven't had a spotless record (even though I largely barely leave the house).

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 21:34 (yesterday) link

and the people who say "Universal Studios should't have reopened", well.....you aren't wrong, but you're also telling my brother he shouldn't have gone to work, and he's been wracked with anxiety of losing his job for months and needs the money.

because we don't have a government that takes care of its people, it's pretty difficult atm.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 21:35 (yesterday) link

theyve just re-locked down the areas near where I live cos we've had a big community outbreak. I barely leave the house anyway but it looks like I'm WFH for at least another month at this rate.

Funny side effect: my long-sight vision has gone to shit because I'm only ever staring at walls/items in my house. I need to sit on the balcony and stare at faraway trees/clouds more or somehting.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 22:50 (yesterday) link

My wfh strategy has involved a lot of slacking off, which is only possible because of my particular role in my organization, but I’m still feeling frustrated because I personally need to feel more involved in my work like I’m engaged in making a difference and changing things for the better (according to me, of course). Skating by on just responding to emails (i.e. only speaking when I’m spoken to) has gotten way the fuck old.

I have a couple things to work on now that should be bigger than that, looking forward to them coming to fruition and being paid attention to by more than just yours truly.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 23:36 (yesterday) link

One side effect of WFH that I did not anticipate was getting used to the constant drone of lawn mowers in our neighborhood. I think between Monday and Friday there is less than five hours per week when there isn't an audible lawnmower running on our block.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 23:57 (yesterday) link

i have found some of the "stay at home, assholes" msgs come from people who turn out to not have stayed home themselves.

not like, going out partying per se at packed bars, but a few I've known have taken out of town trips or gone to bars. with masks, distancing, etc, but that's kinda why I don't bother lobbying grenades when I know I haven't had a spotless record (even though I largely barely leave the house).

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:34 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I saw a great tweet around the beginning of this madness to the effect of "everyone who is slightly less precautious than I am is a science-denying death cultist, and everyone who is slightly more precautious than I am is a virtue-signalling ninny." I try to keep that in mind, though I do find myself rolling my eyes more at the latter group, which is only a reflection of my own anxieties, obviously I would rather be misjudged as being too safe than not safe enough.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:03 (five hours ago) link

xp yeah, there is an insane amount of lawn care in the summer if you live in a neighborhood with lawns. i can almost predict it now--today was wednesday, so there's a service that comes at 7:30 am and fires up a bunch of stuff to do a lawn a few houses down.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:10 (five hours ago) link

"everyone who is slightly less precautious than I am is a science-denying death cultist, and everyone who is slightly more precautious than I am is a virtue-signalling ninny."

Similarly "everyone driving slower than me is an idiot; everyone driving faster than no is a maniac."

What I like is erotic; what you like is kinky; what THEY like is perverse.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:18 (five hours ago) link

*than me

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:18 (five hours ago) link

Anybody who doesn’t live in a city full of constant development and renovation can eat my ass about lawncare noise

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:21 (five hours ago) link

it's more an observation than a complaint

call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:23 (five hours ago) link

Maybe I should document some more observations then

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:26 (five hours ago) link

Tombot how do you eat ass about something

all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:30 (five hours ago) link

I’ve never had to tbf

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:47 (four hours ago) link

Ask esby

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:47 (four hours ago) link

I find lawnmower sounds quite comforting TBH. Dont hear them anymore living in an inner-urban hood with tiny yards. The sound reminds me of childhood summers in the backyard.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:52 (four hours ago) link

Also, LADS.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:52 (four hours ago) link

Take sides: lawnmowers versus the air conditioner on the Russian Embassy grounds next door. Bonus: screams from the playground in the embassy compound.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:24 (four hours ago) link

"screams" eh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:27 (four hours ago) link

an asshole hedge fund billionaire in texas who was somehow involved in enron convinced my city that they needed a propeller plane to fly in circles all day to take pictures of crimes happening. it makes one revolution every 7 minutes. it's supposed to fly at a greater height than it is. every day there is obnoxious propeller plane noise, all day, but intermittent. zero crimes solved in the several months of pilot (heh) project. oh and it only flies during the day, so this stupid waste of fuel misses most of the real crimes. lawnmowers have never bothered me but this is so, so annoying.

contorted filbert (harbl), Thursday, 2 July 2020 02:06 (three hours ago) link

if u wanna be happy when you're mowing the grass
never let a Tombot eat your whole ass

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 July 2020 02:13 (three hours ago) link

zero crimes solved in the several months of pilot (heh) project

just wanted to humilitybrag about dealing with the worst of both worlds w/r/t getting both constant development/renovation noise AND lawncare adjacency noises.

my ground-floor studio apartment is strategically located in the corner of an old (for this city, i.e. 1920s) three-story apartment building of tiny 1-bedrooms and studios in an urban neighborhood just across the interstate from downtown, with construction going on right across the street. the building's dumpsters and recycle bins are located three feet from my kitchen window on the north side, and the entry/exit gate to the complex is located three feet from my bedroom window on the east side, directly adjacent to the sidewalk of the street with the construction site on the other side. hella noise every few minutes on both sides. in the summer I basically have to choose between privacy or ventilation, as it heats up pretty quickly with no fencing or awning or vegetation shading the facade, and the ceiling fan can only do so much and is pretty noisy itself (can't have it on while trying to sleep).

I'm not really complaining, it's the cheapest apartment available within a ten-minute walk of my downtown office ($940), and I chose it for that reason, but GODDAMN is it not an office and nowhere near ideal for focusing on spreadsheets and word docs and permit applications and having Microsoft Teams meetings and conference calls for eight hours a day. my upstairs neighbor's 100-year-old hardwood floor is basically one and same as my ceiling and I hear EVERY tiny bit of her contact with it whether or not she wears her clogs (and she always wears them) and she's a hairdresser who's been out of work for the last three months and physically cannot sit still by the sound of it. much cracking and creaking and stomping about, all the time. the resident manager lives nextdoor to me and he's been staying busy with his circular saw and nailgun and hammer on some sort of tiny garden planter project he wants to install in the perpetually shaded narrow space between our wall and the noise-collecting concrete retaining wall between our building and the taller building nextdoor. it's been in progress since Memorial Day, a little noisy bit at a time, four or five feet from my window.

anyway, in addition to all this, our gardeners, the nextdoor building's gardener's, and the other nextdoor building's gardeners all come on their own individual weekdays to trim our respective shubberies with their two-stroke clippers and leafblow all our trash into the street for twenty minutes a day. landscaping is important for a property management company, they want these shitholes looking nice. and then the garbage trucks too, and also the recyclable trucks, can't forget those, they have their own days too. they're always laughing their asses off when they come to wheel the dumpsters out from three feet from my window when I'm having a 12-person Microsoft Teams meeting with all the windows open. I should've known better than to leave them open! suffocating in a 10'x10' box without fresh air is totally cool!

so yeah I like offices. they're good places to work for people like me to who live in squalor. and I've had more than a few conversations with coworkers who are like "ummmmmm yeah I'm loving this working from home situation! in no great rush to get back to the ol' office!!!" and who can blame them, cause they're successful humans who are comfortable in their own homes and can get stuff done there. shoot, my department hosted their quarterly forum online for the first time last month and it featured endless slideshows from the various dept section people showing off their swanky living room workstations. one guy was even douchey enough to share a photo of his laptop perched next to his hottub on his deck at sunset with a frickin cocktail thrown in for good fun. these people are proper people.

I'm only a five minute bike ride from my office so I'm still making trips downtown once or twice a week to get into the office to do stuff I can't do from home on my laptop, printing and hardcopy permit package submittals and whatnot. It's cute though that the department policy as of two months ago is that my remotely-working section head has to do a facetime "screening" with me no more than ten minutes prior to my entering the building where he asks me if I have a fever or a cough or a headache, and I say no, and then says "great, you may enter the building."

the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, 2 July 2020 04:11 (one hour ago) link


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