What the paper still has going for it: George Monbiot's column, the Diary, Steve Bell, giving review space to Ians Sansom and Penman, and the tv columns of Nancy Banks-Smith. (When N B-S finally pops her clogs I will have to think very hard about buying the paper.)
What is leading the paper ever closer to the abyss: consistently terrible pop coverage (honorable exceptions: Maddy Costa, Betty Clarke); the fatuous new Saturday mag (Zoe Ball on dressing? match the celebrity with the pet? that awful woman talking about words that should be banned??); Charlotte bloody Raven.
― stevie t, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I agree with you there. They sucker you in with the G2 front cover (and the masthead of the main paper), but when you get to read the cover story it often appears cobbled together and lightweight. I imagine it must be difficult to fill that space with high quality stories day in day out though.
― David, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I actually like Peter Preston's awkward, staccato opinion pieces, come to think of it. But not the pompous ones of Hugo Young. Freedland is sometimes good at summing political issues up, but usually he 'sums up' too much - there's too much glibness in the way he marshals it all. (I admit again, though, that it's easy - even glib - to call someone glib.)
Penman strikes me as a red herring. I can see that he doesn't do that to you, cos you have some kind of investment in his career. I agree about Sansom (great left-back, mean penalty, blah blah) - in fact I think that the whole Saturday book reviews section is quite possibly the best feature of the paper. EXCEPT of course the footy. Heroes? How could I forget David Lacey?
BUT I think that you are wrong about N B-S. It doesn't surprise me that older folk make that judgement about her; it does rather surprise me coming from you. She has skills, I guess, but she's terribly repetitive; uses the same lines on the same topics year in year out. It's all too - yes - glib and easy, while dressed up to look aged and thus wise.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jamesmichaelward, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I only read it for the Guide and the job listings. Not that either has been particularly helpful lately... ;-)
― masonic boom, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tarden, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark Morris, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
There's a lot of irritating stuff, yes. My favourite columnist is George Monbiot, by a mile. Something I like about the Independent when I do get it is that its liberalism is less metropolitan and more about the common good. Needless to say, though, the Guardian's series of articles on public service under that very title were awesome.
― The Hemulen Who Loved Silence, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Today's G2 seems designed to add fuel to my (f)ire: one page of 'Style' after another, including a column on Why We're So Disappointed That Madonna Employs A Stylist.
― the pinefox, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― blue veils and golden sands, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Also good in Guardian: John Patterson re. cinema.
oh god, ask hadley today is just... tooth-grinding.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
"today"
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
"At what age is a man too old to wear band T-shirts?"
Martin McCall, by email
"About 15 - that young enough for you, Martin? And to follow one rhetorical question with several more, what in God's name is the point of band T-shirts anyway? To show your allegiance to a band? Do you think anyone else cares? To impress onlookers with your esoteric musical knowledge? See previous reply. To make people stare at your bony chest? Again, I refer you to the first answer. To show that you once attended a live gig? Wow, like, a pair of golden headsets to the guy in the Nirvana '91 T-shirt. In case you happen to bump into the lead singer on the street, he sees that the two of you are kindred souls and therefore invites you to join his band and you then go on the road and have all the manly bonding sessions followed by groupies that your heart could desire? OK, I'll give you that one, although this does suggest that you still harbour the fantasy that you might bump into Joey Ramone in Waterstone's.
"As for ladies in band T-shirts, give me a fricking break. First, gals, a badly cut, poorly made, oversized T-shirt is good for nothing other than wearing to bed and the gym. Second, too often women who wear band T-shirts appear to be going for what we shall call Groupie Chic. It is a style amply modelled by Kate Moss in recent years, and can pretty much be summed up as skinny faded black jeans, ankle boots, a ripped band T-shirt and a cropped fur jacket. In other words, a girlified version of Marc Bolan's or Keith Richards' wardrobe, as though the woman has been so busy, um, sleeping on the band bus she hasn't had time to clean her clothes, so she's now wearing ones belonging to her musical companion. This column has no time for such nonsense."
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, because women have *no* interest in music whatsoever except for sleeping with musicians. What CENTURY is this cretin from?
― Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I stopped wearing band T-shirts by the time I was 23. It wasn't necessarily a conscious move tho. I doubt I will ever wear one again tho - I guess it seems lame unless it's an old obscure or overlooked thus hip act (even this I dunno about). I don't notice many people over 20 wearing them. Does Matt DC still have that Save Ferris T?
I only want to sleep with musicians if they are hot as they are (their musical ability is pretty irrelevant in fact).
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link
dear teh grauniad - a long time ago/we used to be friends...
― CharlieNo4, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link
It went downhill after I left.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
or were you PUSHED?
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link
http://homepage.mac.com/alexinnyc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2007-09-02%2015.37.57%20-0700/Image-D15E03FF59A011DC.jpg
heh. (sorry alex, no harm intended)
― CharlieNo4, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/thesportsdesk/images/200607/20060707henrydive_derblog.jpg
xp
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link
i was being harsh really. i don't care what's on other people's t-shirts that much. just trying to work out why i stopped wearing/wouldn't wear band t-shirts myself.
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Any t-shirt which isn't plain white clearly sucks that's why.
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
i couldn't agree less
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I still wear band t-shirts if I like the band. Why not? I don't *define* myself or my personality by my music tastes any more, I haven't done that since I was about 18. But that's not the same thing as wearing a band t-shirt.
I suppose the fashion journalist in discussion cannot fathom the idea that clothes are just something you put on, rather than a definition of or statement about your personality.
This is definitely something that happens as you age - or rather, has happened to me as I aged. There's a subtle difference between Statement Clothes and just things you put on.
― Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Guardian editorial worldview circa 2007:
http://www.astucia.co.uk/images/sce/galibier%20tunnel%20_three.jpg
― tissp, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link
why else would you buy a band t-shirt if not as a statement or definition of personality?
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't know it was a band t-shirt okay?
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
because you're cold xp
― tissp, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
In the past I've usually just bought them as a keepsake of a gig I've enjoyed. The piece tracer quotes is idiotic fluff, obv. I'd be embarrased to admit I'd written that.
― Pashmina, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Because you like the design? Because you like the music? Because it was given to you (this is where most of mine come from)? Because it was a souvenier?
x-post
― Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link
you wouldn't actually buy a band t-shirt because you liked the design but not necessarily the band tho...would you?
because you like the music = statement/definition of you/your taste
given to you = not you buying
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link
No, plus I've only ever bought them @ gigs.
Probably yeah, but w/smaller bands there's also the knowledge that in buying it, yr helping to supposrt the tour.
― Pashmina, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link
i actually bought a comets on fire t-shirt solely because the design was so awesome. (it was at a gig, but they hadn't come on stage yet.) then i heard the music and i liked that too. i suppose if i hadn't liked their music, or thought it was boring, it would have posed a problem.
a friend of mine, who shall remain nameless so that alex in nyc doesn't stalk and kill him, bought a huge iron maiden patch when he was 14 and sewed it across the shoulders of his denim jacket. he had never heard a note of iron maiden, but he wound up becoming the biggest iron maiden fan i know, and even sung in a band later, where his vocal style was almost inseparable from bruce dickinson's.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
my take on this: do not read hadley freeman.
this resolution made some time ago, stands as strong today as it ever did.
it's a crass and deliberately invidious piece of writing. such an attitude, if sincerely held, could be turned around on pretty much ANY choice of clothing. so forgeddaboudit
― Alan, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
the last band t-shirt i bought - robyn!
alan i can't help myself, i know i'm sick and need help.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link
is there a thread for best band t-shirts? must see
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Taste is something that I have. It does not define me. Clothes are something I wear. The statement I am making is "I don't really care about clothes any more."
If I'm going to make a statement about clothes, I'll wear a bright green paisley jacket to a dronerock festival where everyone else is in leather.
I suppose my Hawkwind t-shirt is a statement, it says "ha ha, I'm wearing a Hawkwind t-shirt, I care nothing for fashion, I am wearing the shirt of a band so deeply uncool you can suck my left one because I love them!" But it's certainly not a statement saying that I want to f*ck any of Hawkwind or that I have a musician boyfriend whose Hawkwind t-shirt I'm borrowing, which is the assumption of that article.
― Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
> I don't notice many people over 20 wearing them.
*SOBS*
> you wouldn't actually buy a band t-shirt because you liked the design but not necessarily the band tho...would you?
EAR t-shirt with the putney on the front = great. EAR live = terrible. (EAR on CD = ok, plus pram and stereolab were supporting)
― koogs, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
"Do you think anyone else cares?"
the core MOTOR of fashion is YES OF COURSE I THINK OTHER PEOPLE CARE THAT I AM WEARING... WHAT'S "IN". no less dumb than wearing something else that forms part of your identity. so it's just a puerile throw away bit of nonsense. heh. fashion in 'being puerile' shocker.
― Alan, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I gave up caring whether I was too old to wear band t-shirts or whatever a long time ago. Really, if you're getting that worked up about what other people are wearing, the joke's on you, I think. To paraphrase - "Do you think anyone else cares?"
Yesterday I wore an X-Ray Spex t-shirt. I am 31. Oh noes.
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
If a FAC 51 Hacienda T-shirt counts as a band t-shirt, I am wearing one NOW. I am more than 31.
― Dr.C, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Unless you buy shirts at arena shows or whatever they cost a tenner or less which is cheaper than t-shirts tend to be (aside from plain ones from Primark or something). I guess it bugs fashiony people cos it's fashion for people who don't give a shit about fashion
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link
whoa there, people do this All The Time! witness all the motorhead/def leppard/poison tees on sale at top shop/debenhams/whatever.
― CharlieNo4, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
What's a putney, Andy?
I bought a Mega City Four t-shirt the other week. I bought it cos I like the band and I like their logo, and out of nostalgia.
― Mark C, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
witness all the motorhead/def leppard/poison tees on sale at top shop/debenhams/whatever
really? since when do those shops sell (official?) band merchandise?
but how do you know people buying them don't like the band (even if it's 'ironic' or just liking the idea OF liking them, if that makes sense) anyway?
i can imagine some people, not just kids or people buying for kids, buy band t-shirts because of the design and without really knowing about the band but can't be that many really. this is even more of a facile 'want to look cool' statement tho isn't it? that sense of knowing what to buy but not really knowing why...
remember the 'little girls wearing Nico 'Chelsea Girl' t-shirt thing (altho i approved of this ha)
― blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Uhm yeah, there were tons of high street chains selling classic rock tees (I presume they just bought a load wholesale).
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Monday, 3 September 2007 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Sorry saw that mistake noted on there.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 February 2024 23:17 (one month ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/russia-china-iran-could-target-uk-irish-backdoor-thinktank-warns?CMP=twt_b-gdnnews
I think I'll pass again on the Guardian subscription in 2024
― glumdalclitch, Sunday, 4 February 2024 23:39 (one month ago) link
Racism update: it's fine now
Monday's @guardian cartoonhttps://t.co/kmWf6mrfmf#Houthis #Hamas #Gaza #YemenUnderAttack #RedSeaAttacks #Iran #Biden #IsraelHamasConflict pic.twitter.com/ByEmfrh5My— Ella Baron (@EBaronCartoons) February 4, 2024
― glumdalclitch, Monday, 5 February 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link
ugh
― wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 February 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link
thank god for the labels. I usually think it's bullshit when people try to define antisemitism based on the etymology but sometimes there's something there
you know those racist cartoons from ww2 that repurposed 19th century anti-chinese tropes against the japanese? or the anti-"mexican" stuff from today that looks exactly the same as anti-italian stuff from 100 years ago? why does history work like this? why do we never learn anything from it?
― Left, Monday, 5 February 2024 17:59 (one month ago) link
i think the people who do learn something are not the same people who have cushy media jobs
― wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 February 2024 18:29 (one month ago) link
the cartoon Bell got sacked over wasn't even published and it was referencing a LBJ cartoon from the 60's, yet this scummy shit was deemed ok. Very even-handed approach to racism.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 5 February 2024 18:35 (one month ago) link
lmao the artist can’t think of enough things for the imam to be controlling so he just repeats “hamas” and “houthis” over and over to match the number of threads
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 February 2024 18:53 (one month ago) link
Liew is good, shame he works for such a bigoted rag.
a mysterious right-wing think-tank takes an abrupt interest in Parkrun. useful idiots in the media do their bidding. now, this thing that hardly anyone cared about before has grown into a sinister campaign. this week’s column, on how to start a culture war https://t.co/NhalSp1tVf— Jonathan Liew (@jonathanliew) February 14, 2024
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 12:56 (one month ago) link
I clicked on the Twitter link by mistake. Jesus CHRIST the replies.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 14:46 (one month ago) link
Guess I'm completely desensitised to all that
The bigots were throwing back a "so what if trans athletes win everything" from Liew as if it's a gotcha.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 17:07 (one month ago) link
UK full of lots of frothing weirdoes on this topic its true
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 17:50 (one month ago) link
I heard people being interviewed about this on the radio the other day and they were like unanimously, who gives a fuck, it’s a fun run
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 17:51 (one month ago) link
(xp) All of them on Twitter it seems.
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 18:22 (one month ago) link
Yes twitter does seem to be the main way transphobic radicalisation spreads
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 20:02 (one month ago) link
Imagine giving up a couple of hours to be interviewed by the Guardian, and then buying the paper to see that they've opened with this. pic.twitter.com/D0upv1DNCM— Benjamin Partridge (@benpartridge) February 25, 2024
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 25 February 2024 14:14 (one month ago) link
Found myself irritated that someone was paid to write this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/25/i-have-been-forced-into-a-month-of-minimalism-and-i-hate-it
― djh, Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:59 (one month ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/28/islamophobia-antisemitism-uk-politics-grim-symmetry
Shitty article which tries to link Islamophobia in the Conservatives Party to antisemitism in "the Left". Completely ignores the fact that it was Behr's hero Starmer and his cohorts who tried to excuse Azhar Ali's remarks because he was their representative. If he wants to play that game then I don't remember any ex-chairperson of the Labour Party or ex-cabinet minister during the evil Corbyn's reign accusing Tory mayors of being controlled by Zionists or Tory leaders being in hock to Zionists.
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 10:25 (one month ago) link
I seem to remember that when one kind of racism is the topic, clearly this week islamophobia, it was racist to introduce or compare it to any other kind of racism. This apparently was Corbyn's fault when he added "and all other kinds of racism" to his apologies and refutations of antisemitism. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now, but I'm sure the columnists like Behr/Freedland etc are guilty of hypocrisy here
― glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 12:18 (one month ago) link
I seem to remember a lot of "Are you trying to tell Jews what is and isn't antisemitism? How dare you!" outrage. Apparently this does not apply to Muslims and Islamophobia. Funny that.
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 12:45 (one month ago) link
Bang on cue.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/28/more-than-half-of-tory-members-in-poll-say-islam-a-threat-to-british-way-of-life
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 13:31 (one month ago) link
I used to like when Corbyn would condemn anti-semitism along with all racism, and people would scream that he didn't care about jews, then he'd condemn anti-semitism and not mention other forms of racism, and people would scream that he was singling out jews, good times great memories
― Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 13:32 (one month ago) link
Tories seem to be embracing Islamophobia in way that Labour did anti- semitism under Corbyn— John Crace (@JohnJCrace) February 28, 2024
This cunt works for the guardian, so he goes here too
― glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 13:38 (one month ago) link
Old Etonians STFU TYVM
― steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 13:55 (one month ago) link
if Crace went to Eton his expensive education hasn't prevented him being extremely thick
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 13:56 (one month ago) link
Thick Etonians, whoever heard of such a thing? Maybe all that heroin affected his brain.
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 14:06 (one month ago) link
It's certainly super odd how the most recent, notable and universally upheld examples of antisemitism are from Starmer's Labour and the right wing of the party, yet Crace and Behr etc reflexively cannot help but refer back to Corbyn's Labour, almost as if it's a deflecting tactic, or a salve of a wretched conscience, or pure political partiality.
― glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 14:15 (one month ago) link
having a smackhead adventure is a jolly good wheeze for an Etonian, another one to tick off the bucket list. Parents can send you to a Swiss clinic for a controlled withdrawal and then you can drone on about how you used to be an addict for the rest of your fking life!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 14:31 (one month ago) link
"You are receiving this email because you are a subscriber to Swift Notes."
I'm bloody not! How the fuck did my barely-used spare email address end up on a Taylor Swift-themed Guardian mailing list?! Fuck off Laura Sn@pes
― doleful lundgren (Matt #2), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:40 (one month ago) link
lol i just got this too
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:03 (one month ago) link
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― doleful lundgren (Matt #2), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:41 (one month ago) link
Phew!
pertinent to thread-title that should be "owing to an error in our email system"
― mark s, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:51 (one month ago) link
sorry we accidentally blew the gaff on our massive data harvesting lol
― Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 29 February 2024 13:29 (one month ago) link
why would I need a Taylor Swift newsletter when I have ILX
― imago, Thursday, 29 February 2024 13:37 (one month ago) link
So it looks as if you now have to register to read the Guardian online and there's no way I'm doing that, so it's bye bye Guardian.
― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 March 2024 14:53 (two weeks ago) link
is that just on i-phones/smartphones? I was reading it earlier online and be damned if I'll register with these a-holes
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 9 March 2024 15:19 (two weeks ago) link
I was trying to read it on my laptop. Maybe they've decided they just don't like me.
― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 March 2024 15:26 (two weeks ago) link
I think you can read the Express for free if that helps?
― help me I am in hull (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 March 2024 15:39 (two weeks ago) link
Still till working without registration for me, but no doubt they are gradually rolling it out. I use it for advanced students, so as long as we don't have to pay I'll still use it with 12 ft wall/archive.
― glumdalclitch, Saturday, 9 March 2024 15:41 (two weeks ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/17/birmingham-britain-state-cuts-austerity-local-services
This is all true, but maybe there was something that could have been done 4 and a bit years ago that might have prevented some of the worst of it?
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 18 March 2024 09:58 (one week ago) link
It's the perfect situation for The Guardian. Rant about how things are broken and limit your horizons on how the problems can be fixed.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 18 March 2024 12:24 (one week ago) link