More thoughts on "Lapdance" - I still only like it a lot (as opposed to adore it), but I'm thinking that an added reason for my relative lack of enthusiasm is that the Superthug-style tense rhythm plus repetitive clavinet or bass synth thing that The Neptunes have now used on any number of productions (latest examples being Tha Licks and Babyface's anonymous single) is just too familiar for me to get excited about.
Strange that they haven't capitalised on the more successful "Shake Ya Ass" sound instead, or the dozen different ideas they had on Kaleidoscope, or even the pop-funk sound of the "The Call" remix. Maybe 2001 is their "duff" year (relatively speaking of course) a la Timbaland '99 and Swizz Beats 2000. Which sets up Kelis' sophomore as a potential underrated masterpiece a la Da Real World. Also: where are more tracks in the "Southern Hospitality" vein - by far their most uncharacteristic track so far?!?
"What's Your Fantasy" is of course brilliant.
― Tim, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Cheers, Tom
― Tom, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
If YOU were inundated every day with Crazy Town, Mudvayne, Linkin Park, Limp "Dammit, Fred, you have NO FLOW!" Bizkit, Tantric, Korn, Kid Rock, & god knows how many other "rock bands" - regardless of quality, there's a saminess that stultifies after the umpteenth listen; righteous & hollow indignation only goes so far - you'd be begging for a li'l Travis.
― David Raposa, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But nor are they objective terms.
Also, Tom, I'm just curious--it's pretty clear that Travis are generally accepted as sucky, and I have no problem whatsoever with that. I am very curious, however, to hear your defense of nu-metal, which is probably one of the most irritating styles I've ever encountered. To me, nu-metal proponents (Fred, etc.) are just jocks- at-heart who like to complain about their relatively minor family/mental problems and "pain" (whatever!), but are always up for making fun of some pussies. It's music by assholes, for assholes, and, quite appropriately, it sounds like shit. Even if you ignore all the sociological aspects of the music, though, I still think it's indefensible. Artless rhyming and/or over-affected post-Vedder whining over mundane and super-cliched "scratching" and generic guitar crunches is pretty much the pits for me.
― Clarke B., Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kris, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
My defense of nu-metal is limited: it's pop for 15 year old boys, making it very much like old-metal. The hooks are occasionally there (when they're not, it's apalling) and often it's funnier than given credit for (still not very funny).
Also as David R (I think) rightly suggests we don't get very much of it over here: if it dominated the airwaves I'm sure I wouldn't be able to stand it. The upshots of this are two: we only hear the hooky stuff, and the genre-definition here stretches super-wide to incorporate pretty much anything faintly rocky with a chance of getting in the charts. So Limp B and Papa R sure, but also Crazy Town, Marilyn Mansun, Wheatus' big hit and even Feeder have been claimed for the new rock. And that fringe stuff is what I've come to like - "Butterfly", "Teenage Dirtbag", "Seven Days In The Sun", "Disposable Teens". So OK, I don't 'like nu-metal' in the strictest sense, but this kind of modern rock is more fun than the plodding coffee-table pop-rock Travis push at us.
― Ally, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
As far as nu-metal fans being 13-year olds, I have driven past Frat Row on several occasions and heard Limp, Crazytown, etc., blaring from the houses. I think equating nu-metal with old metal is a little off, because the fanbases are certainly different.
But Tom, you're probably right about Travis. Whereas the nu-metal loons irritate the piss out of me with their abrasive stupidity, Travis is more like water-torture--ignorable at first, but eventually lethal. Lulling and boring us to death, rather than annoying us until we kill them.
― the pinefox, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link