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I liked Robert's design! I liked it a whole ton and I would definitely wear it. Love the trousers. And the solar panels! They're funny! I don't know, maybe he really isn't very bright, although what I'm seeing is more.. this weird disconnect, in that the other designers seem to think he's just a joker, which is not a bad role to play, while the judges seem to like his work and take it seriously enough. I'm really a fan of being just enjoyably goofy & charming, without the humor always having this angry, bitter, insecure edge to it (a la Jay). And Kevin was way too dour. Also, I really don't like Austin's work, it's so narrow minded and precious. I think Austin should be the one to go after Wendy, actually. When has he made anything that didn't scream "foofy fairy princess"?

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

true... but austin is probably the most technically talented among all of them... i haven't ever really cared for anything he's done, but i am rarely truly unimpressed with it. i agree about its preciousness though. i liked rob's design too, but i was embarassed to see him talk about the solar panels. i think i may actually have blushed on his behalf.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 27 January 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

and i still don't like jay... even though his clothes are getting a lot better

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 27 January 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Solar panels, again.. I thought it was a great idea. They're amusing. They don't have to literally do anything! I mean, I have jackets with all sorts of unnecessary cuffs and buttons and epaulets and fake pockets and things, why not fake solar panels? They look cool, and the idea of being hopped up on solar energy all the time is funny and inspiring. I don't see it as any more or less eccentric than printing a message on a T-shirt.

Vanessa Riley interview! http://www.popgurls.com/article_show.php3?id=529

And yeah, OK, Austin is talented, but the clothes make me want to barf. For me, Austin Scarlett is kind of like the Amélie movie - all these people are like "oohlala! I just love love love my happy fairy tale with the pretty foofy princess!" and I'm like "OMG THIS IS TEH SUCK" and then people hate me.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 27 January 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, I am sad! At least I got to watch this instead of the State of the Union.

The producers are keeping the evil Pepper around, it's too obvious. Her outfit was the worst by far. arrrgh.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

She'll go next week. It's so obvious who will be final 3.

I bet ya 100 bucks that Kevin is the one who drew on Wendy's photo.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 3 February 2005 03:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I figured it was either Kevin or Wendy herself. Probably Kevin, though. I don't like him at all.

Tim on Austin: Little Lord Fauntleroy 2005

Hahaha. I wish they hadn't ditched Rob. He makes me laugh, dammit! Oh well. "Reality" TV. Wendy's outfit was teh suck. Don't get me wrong, Austin's and Robert's were plenty lame too, but not as lame.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Wendy fucking pepper, jesus

Monday At Bernie's (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 3 February 2005 03:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah. I'm annoyed. I guess what annoys me most is the totally obvious gears-turning producer-interference aspect of reality TV which means they kind of had to keep Wendy around for the drama, because there's no way her outfit wasn't worse than Rob's this week. And Austin has a fan base and I know he's obviously talented, but his talent is for making stuff that completely SUCKS! At least Rob knows how to make a good pair of trousers. Sheesh.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel sorry for Wendy. She's so out of place, out of her league. Makes you wonder how she even got on the show. She was right though in saying Kevin and Austin weren't good leaders. She could have said it more tactfully. She's just lacking personal skills. Did you see how KS hugged everybody but her when she found out she won the challenge? And how Rob was looking for some interaction from her stone face when it was just them left on the runway? She just doesn't know how to act.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 3 February 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, she is out of place. Arrgh. I know the show doesn't have to make sense in the parameters, but I was baffled this week b/c usually the rule has been, if you don't respond to the challenge you're out. Which is why last week Wendy's bad deconstruction beat out Kevin's non-deconstruction - but this week she didn't listen to the fashion part of the challenge at all, and still wasn't kicked off! Just silly.

What I noticed in the not knowing how to act.. when Karasaun set up a meeting so they'd all be able to explain themselves well on the runway, Wendy disrupted things continually laughing at the 'pseudo-intellectual crap' everyone was saying. But it's part of the game. I think, at the end of the day, she hates the fashion world and all the pretty people who live there, and yet is fascinated by it and seeks some kind of validation.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

OTM. She thinks if she makes it to fashion week, she'll finally be cool.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"You're like a cockroach!" Jay said it twice even.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Hah! That was so bad. I like Jay. He needs to stop shooting himself in the foot and just go along with the BS game, because I think this opportunity could be huge for him. In fact I hope he wins, though somehow I'm not feeling like it'll happen. I think Karasaun is too good to still be on this show instead of starting her own line. Maybe they should let Wendy win, because Karasaun and Jay would have to un-learn whatever the Banana Republic (eek!) people might try to teach them. Or maybe Austin should win, because the BR people and their budget would force him to cut down on the foof.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Maria @ plainparade, you got my email I take it? I'd been reading KTB for a while and couldn't resist sending them that one. EVIL

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.gawker.com/news/culture/fashion/index.php#austin-scarlett-revealed-031993

Austin Scarlett revealed

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i think wendy was really handed a dagger and prompted to kill with the kevin leader episode tho. granted, she has no imagination.... although, corporate america generally has very little as well. as bland as her USPS design was... just like her banana republic design... she can copy/alter just enough for some middle management schmuck to get behind her and make a safe non-changing change legacy move in a company. i could see how she could sorta half-survive sorta...

jay is totally cool and has been my fave personality-wise for many episodes, but karasaun wins hands down design-wise tho. austin's a hoot in a cariacature sort of way. rob seems vacant on skills, but manages to charm them with a pitch that seems pretty empty too... "penis envy"? "a woman is like a sport car?" ... let me see if i can try... "a designer is like a bad cologne commercial?"

m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

it just seems like karasaun is just an elegant and talented person, and all that beauty just shines through in her personality and her designs,
and wendy is a horrible and evil troll, inside and out, who is nonetheless always eager to show herself to be more ugly, in design and in her would-be machiavellian reality-show persona.

ugh...
robert may have skirted by week after week on finite talent, but his reaction to being eliminated was totally classic (and classy). he actually did enjoy himself, i think, and realized his own inadequacies.
i imagine wendy will just be ungrateful and ugly when she loses next week, and she will have wasted this entire time with her negativity and poison.

carly, Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Jay is a trip.. on one hand I think he ought to take the angry/bitter punk rock edge off a little, but on the other, I wonder if that might be the most essential part of his design. Karasaun is the best by far and I'm loving the way she manages to make it real clear who she dislikes and doesn't respect, but in a way that's totally classy and unimpeachable. Ie her reaction to winning this week & walking right past Wendy with just a nod.

I realized in the last episode that Rob reminds me of an old friend who I haven't seen in a while and miss quite a lot - a bright, good-looking, utterly charming guy who nevertheless provoked plenty of OMGWTFLOL reactions & wondering what planet he lived on. I still think he's not untalented, just scatterbrained and too willing to coast as far as possible on charm. Also, yeah, I think it has been clear for a while who the top 3 designers really are - and it was better to be positive and enjoy the opportunity instead of (a la Wendy) taking it as a signal to manipulate and backstab your way to the finals in order to compensate for a lesser talent. It's really nice to see somebody who isn't all complexé about not being the best.

The goofy camraderie among four of the last five, the whole dynamic is a lot like this house where I lived a couple years ago. Awww. We threw some great parties.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

these people have reminded me of people i hang out with a lot more than any other reality tv show i've ever seen. that's how i got hooked a lot quicker i think. the art student vibe maybe? that's who i hung out with in college mostly. well, creativity >>>>> physical challenges, etc.

otm on wendy you two. maybe i was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but i think you guys prove a good point. you'd think she would salvage her image a little and go out gracefully. hello reruns! who wants to be known for even 15 minutes as a freak?
m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think that's what hooked me from episode 1. I was like, hello liberal arts undergrad! not to mention wacky international grad student housemates. Mario, Nora, Rob, Jay, Kara, Austin, and even Starr all could fit right in with people I hang out with.

ten years and they are all married with kids and buying houses in the suburbs, right?

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i think they seem like people we hang out with, because they seem more like people than contestants on other shows. even where they are caricatures and even where they are personalities i wouldn't like - they don't get to assume a persona the way apprentice/real world/elimidate characters do. because of the challenges, they have to spend most of the show stripped down to themselves, their talent. so we do get a more honest portrayel of these people as real live humans, with flaws that we believe and accept (except for wendy, whose honest self when stripped down is really unpleasant, with little to redeem her, at least in what bravo has shown us...)

i also like that even though there were bad decisions made along the way - some of the eliminations made little sense - i feel like the final three are the proper final three. i thought alexandra's elimination was dumb, because really, duh, art is imitative, and it's really okay to draw inspiration from prior art (whereas it's not okay to make a bathing suit with no bottom!). and wendy only passed this week for the drama of it, right? but the final three are the right finalists, i believe it in my heart of hearts.

carly, Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"ten years and they are all married with kids and buying houses in the suburbs, right?"

god... yeah... and trying to convince themselves that somehow they aren't doing that the bad way!

msp (msp), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Almost everybody on the Real World seems like they're from another planet! The Apprentice is worse, for that - these humorless, self-serious cutthroat miserable people, I can't figure out how they're even the same age as I.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

You live within the headlines, so everyone can see
You're supporting every new cause and meeting royalty
You're another major artist on a higher plane
Do you think they'll put you in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame?
Tell me baby how you generate longevity
Tell me baby how you really hate publicity
How can you expect to be taken seriously?

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

always weird to see people on tv who are your age who seem so much older. it used to be that child actors really were that much older. not reality shows. sheesh. now i know why the burrito girl calls me "sir" cause i'm evidentally a man now. wtf? no memo on that?

m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

they seem like they're acting so much older, but they're always ridiculously immature and over dramatic, too. it's like they think self-importance = being a serious adult.

it's like when little kids dress up like grown-ups, or people with baby faces smoke cigarettes. they don't wear it well.

carly, Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

spoiler link: see their collections at fashion week:

http://tinyurl.com/6oe8y

DONT OPEN IF YOU WANT TO BE SURPRISED.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 4 February 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG!!

Maria D. (Maria D.), Friday, 4 February 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

omg i should have gone to this but too hungover this morning!

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 4 February 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

re: alexandra's elimination -- just like with veronica, she shot herself in the foot by being forward about the fact that she COPIED other designers. i definately agree that art is imitation but its one thing to work off another person's idea, as opposed to trying to duplicate the same fabric that missioni used. if you're going to go down that route, learn to fabricate a better story. alexandra could have researched what missioni / kors influences were for that and used that as the basis of her defense. but she didnt.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 4 February 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

er, that should read, "shot herself in the foot by being honest..."

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 4 February 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

id also like to add that the contestants of project runway are very much archetypes of people i went to art school with. in fact, if anyone wanted an idea of what its like to go to art school, id make them watch this show. from the people to the critiques, it will save everyone a lot of time and money.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Ohno, look at Fashion Week! arrrgh. teh lame. I'm still frankly annoyed at last week's episode, because Pepper's outfit utterly sucked and they were all trashing it with Kors saying he really had a problem with it, and then there's this afterthought scene tacked on to the end of the judging where they decide to kick out somebody else.

Maybe I should go to art school. That would break my "no more school for the rest of my life" rule, but..

daria g (daria g), Friday, 4 February 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like the Pepper either, but I did agree that it was sort of a lark that Smooth Talker made it that far. His clothes were no great shakes.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Saturday, 5 February 2005 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

'Tis true - he was lazy and not competitive, and they were absolutely unwilling to send someone to fashion week who didn't demonstrate any cohesive design philosophy, no matter how lame it may be. Which makes sense and is fair enough. Still, I really dig a good pair of trousers so I liked a number of his outfits (esp 2055, which was teh coolness), while I don't think I've liked a thing of Wendy's aside from the swimsuit, which was simply OK but wasn't even finished! Oh well. I should remind myself that it's all about the market and people pay hundreds of dollars for St. John by Marie Gray. That label is a sure-sell on eBay and as far as I can tell, is reliably butt-ass ugly. I restrain myself from offending people by posting that on the eBay boards but there's a St. John rant ready to come forth one of these days..

On another wire service (Getty?) there are larger images of some of the outfits. KS just blows everyone out of the water.

daria g (daria g), Saturday, 5 February 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

KS also exudes this confidence, like she doesn't really need this whole thing.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Saturday, 5 February 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

jay, kara and WENDY? WTF?!?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

oh come on, it was obvious

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

not really!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

you missed the commercials about the surprising result, then?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Totally obvious. In fact some of the Fashion Week articles rather spoiled it in advance b/c they remarked on Austin's demeanor. That was a fun episode though. I can't help it, I'm kind of glad they brought Rob back, because the camraderie among KS/Jay/Rob/Austin was one of the best parts of the show. Also, Austin was the only one who kind of went off by himself and didn't ask for help or listen to advice from anybody, and it seemed to fit with the rationale of why they ditched him. Too much in his own world.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I don't feel like hating on Pepper all that much. She's not couture but she's not so bad either. Massive stress causes people to behave in strange and paranoid ways, and it's not nothing for her to have listened to Tim (& Rob) and revamped that outfit to make it work, instead of staying on her same tangent with those awful rings and whatnot. I give her credit for getting to the goal in spite of herself, because I think all the conniving and backstabbing only made it harder for her than it needed to be, you know?

Karasaun would've won that challenge if she ditched the trousers, I bet.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

kara's top was really sexy [tim was OTM with the usage of the bias] but died a slow, horrible painful death when combined with those horrible ultra-tacky pants.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Those pants! You know, I wonder if they looked better in person than they did on camera? Because the TV talking head woman said she liked KS's outfit but before the cameras, it wouldn't work.. On camera they looked like kind of cheapish vinyl and ill-fitting, and I was surprised by that. She should have just ditched them. The top was long enough to be a dress on its own.

Kors was right about the dress-over-pants being kind of played.. And yet, though I do love love love Jay, his look always makes me think it's too heavily inspired by what I've seen the RISD kids and film studies crowds wearing in the past two years. It's also incredibly closed-off from other people, which is odd for a dude like him but makes some kind of paradoxical sense.. to me, his clothes are all like "yeah, I kinda want to be noticed for looking fantastic, but I just can't handle talking to anyone right now, so bring me my headphones and my iPod stocked with robot disco."

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I think KS' outfit was designed for a model a few inches taller than the one she got. I like her clothes more and more, but don't like her all that much. Nor any of them, really, tho Jay has grown on me.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

a little

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt kara have a fitting with her model? if not, i can understand why those pants looked hideous. i could have been OK with something a bit more tailored, especially towards the bottom. ive never been one for the boho-chic look anyway.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Personality-wise, I like KS fine, and Jay too (though he is awfully bitter), and Austin I have come to appreciate for his defiant Austinness, as well as for not crying when he was eliminated. I also noticed Rob seems incapable of hating on anyone and actually was incredibly nice to Wendy despite the drama with the others & him getting kicked off instead of her last week.

The thing about KS is that she was the only one who chose to stay in professional mode the whole way through, so we never got to know her too well. Seems that she has been in the industry long enough to be more hesitant to take major risks (a la the fantastic Envy dress) as the show progressed, or to let down her personal guard. I think Wendy's Wendyness threw KS off her game a little, although on the site Tim attributes everyone's lackluster stuff to not taking a risk because they just wanted NOT to be out. Although.. I also think Jay just can't and won't do that fake-tan-Hollywood-sexy thing that Nancy whats-her-face seemed to expect. Jay's stuff is really all wrapped up and kind of shy, which again, is odd when you consider he used to work in the porn industry!

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I am also feeling more charitable towards Heidi now

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link


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