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full fake Cuban mode

thats one pretty fucked up fake cuban!!

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

what are the good ballads? I am undecded.

― Tous Les Garcons S'Appellent Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you heard either of the Los Cubanos Postizos records? (you should!)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

me? no. hang on...we have the prosthetic cubans here. i'll dig it out.

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"postizo" rocks

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Woah, you just have unheard Marc Ribot albums lying around?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, so it seems. i'm glad you pointed me at it Jordan.

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm going to play it again now.

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually bought it today! So far it reminds me of Mule Variations, but I never liked that album a whole lot. I have yet to hear it properly all the way through - I'll report back later.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I read this as Waits having died.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sins of my Father" goes on FOREVER and doesn't do anything. I like Waits as a lyricist but really it's all about the music and delivery, so fuck this track. "Hoist That Rag" is ace.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

He mentions Wisconsin at least twice on the record. It keeps making me thinking of Werner Herzog's movie Woyzeck. They both have a lot of dirt, carnies, and twisted midwestern Americana.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Where have I heard of Woyzeck before? Isn't that the thing Waits based "Blood Money" on or am I barking up the wrong tree?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been listening the FUCK out of this album. My favorites at the moment are "Hoist That Rag" (I think he got Marc Ribot really drunk before recording this), "Sins of My Father" (a very good autumn watching-leaves-turning-colors piece if ever there was one), "Don't Go Into That Barn" (which I like to think of as some kind of sick prequel to "Murder In the Red Barn"), "Make It Rain" (Ribot's solo on this is one of my five favorite parts of the whole album), and "Day After Tomorrow" (one of the sweetest songs he's ever done).

xpost ha ha that's kinda a lot of what I like about "Sins of my Father" DL

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The sound quality difference from crummy scratchy mp3 to well-mastered album version for "Don't Go Into That Barn" made a huge deal of difference in how all the kickass vocal percussion stands out.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Where have I heard of Woyzeck before? Isn't that the thing Waits based "Blood Money" on or am I barking up the wrong tree?

No, you're sort of right, that must be why it popped into my mind. Blood Money was the score for a play called Woyzeck which happens to be completely unrelated to the movie.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

It may grow on me. You're totally OTM about Don't Go Into That Barn though - do you know that actually happened in Luton?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Woyzeck (the robert wilson/waits play) isn't based on the Herzog film?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Money is based on the socio/political play "Woyzeck," originally written by a young German poet Georg Buchner as a spare, cinematic piece in 1837 and inspired by the true story of a German soldier who was driven mad by bizarre army medical experiments and infidelity, which led him to murder his lover. Waits and Brennan wrote songs for an avant-garde production of "Woyzeck" directed by Robert Wilson. "Woyzeck" premiered in November, 2000 at the Betty Nansen Theater in Copenhagen and went on to win Denmark's version of the Tony for Best Musical last year.

I don't know, maybe Herzog based his movie loosely on the play?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't know about that Woyzeck production! As far as I knew, the only Waits/Wilson production so far had been The Black Rider! Must investigate.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

It's also an Alban Berg opera. Both the Herzog film and the opera were based on a play from way back, I believe...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "How's It Going To End" is my favourite so far.. I'm sure I can hear some kind of tuba or trombone in there but it must be the bass.

I hate that "Are you ready" sample on Metropolitan Glide, it sounds totally out of place on a Waits record.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

As far as I knew, the only Waits/Wilson production so far had been The Black Rider!

they also did Alice, based on Alice in Wonderland.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG THERE WAS A PLAY FOR THAT!?!??11!?

I swear I am the worst informed #1 Tom Waits fan ever.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take the Berg opera in a heartbeat.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "How's It Going To End" is my favourite so far.. I'm sure I can hear some kind of tuba or trombone in there but it must be the bass.

It does sound like a random tuba note everything now and then. Maybe bowed upright bass?

I can't remember which track it is right now, but one of them has what really sounds like a trombone or trumpet melody, and I have to assume that it's vocal.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate that "Are you ready" sample on Metropolitan Glide, it sounds totally out of place on a Waits record.

Dude, that's Tom!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Or do you mean that 'are you ready' way in the background...huh, hadn't noticed that before. :>

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Woyzeck is maybe the most important modern German play ever, so it's fair to say the Herzog movie is almost fully inspired by/based on it. Saw The Black Rider in London this June with Marianne Faithful, although I believe it's a revival of an older production. The Woyzeck I thought was a more recent prod., in Steppenwolf, right? Anybody seen it?

― drew, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the original production of The Black Rider was in 97 I think.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

This has grown on me so quickly! I even like "Sins Of My Father" despite it having all the ingredients I don't like about some Waits songs! OMG!

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

listened to this just a couple of times all the way through but the stand out track for me is "Green Grass".

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

It's become the default background music in my apartment.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

(in a good way)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to fucking buy this motherfucker. Any US tour news yet?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Nope. Canada, but nothing about the U.S. so far.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, except for Seattle.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't that in Canada?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

where in seattle and when?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Oct. 16th. ONLY AMERICAN TOUR DATE, THE ASSHAT.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

My friend got two tickets for $350US which I would consider a fucking STEAL.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh hey, so that's SATURDAY huh? Time flies etc.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like this. I've heard things before but never listened to an album on my own. I don't think that Ribot's part seems out-of-place at all - I think the interplay between Waits and Ribot is great, that somewhat loose dialogue quality. I guess I never realized before that Tom Waits can get that noisy and sonically adventurous at times. I sort of have to try not to hear his voice without provoking my Leonard Cohen allergies. When I can do that, I think it's really good.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Leonard Cohen????????

― bulbs (bulbs), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

When he's not barking or howling but doing more of his low-key reciting kind of thing. It's not a really close comparison but it's a deep, throaty, not-that-melodic old-white-man voice, that's all.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

And he sometimes 'sings' slow sort-of-folky-or-bluesy songs.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

That should have been "I need to try to hear his voice without provoking..."

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I know a whole set of people who listen to Tom Waits/Nick Cave/Leonard Cohen and sort of class them together. The difference is that Tom Waits is crazy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Mark Lanegan is the closest to Wait's in his sound. Nevermore so than with Bubblegum.

― Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hoist That Rag" REALLY reminds me of another song from this year, a single by some American group I think. It's the regular guitar hook and the drus that go beneath it that reminds me. The song it reminds me of is quite angular but still very pop, possibly by an indie band, possibly a more dancey crossover. wtf is it? Everytime I hear that guitar hook I want to sing this other song but then "Hoist That Rag" takes over again quickly and I'm left wandering wtf it is that I'm half-remembering. Can anyone help??!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 06:38 (nineteen years ago) link

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