The hipster ethos, as promulgated in Vice Magazine, is indistinguishable from Ayn Rand's Objectivism

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if it's got ads in it, it ain't free ma-an

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

vice is boring. i'm out of here!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

mis-typed, didn't mean "bought" but "saw"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

as I neither bought nor picked up an issue but only read copies that were in people's houses or recording studios

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

And honestly, I have nothing to add on the racial epithets issue. Language changes.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha. yeah right, 'sure', j0hn!

― a fool and his money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

that "language changes" thing is the biggest red herring ever. That "language changes" neither explains nor excuses trust-funded white kids calling each other "nigger" for kicks and pretending that they're only reflecting "new developments in language use."

and yes ok I paid 20 bucks for my copy 'cos it had Momus in it and what of it, then

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha!!

― a food and his money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

i stole a copy then gave money to some random person, it's the new commerce

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

ok, that's 100, stop now.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

PUNK ROXXX DISTRIBUTION!!!!! will this regain vice's cool?

"I don't know Jim, 2004 has been a tough year for Vice."
"Listen, Brad, the telethon and the graphs show that Vice has become only marginally cool than it was three years ago and that's not showing alot"

― a fool and money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

'Saudi' is the new racial epithet, anyway. As in 'I'm the Saudi bitch that you wanna get with' (Peaches, Saudi Bitch).

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

electroclash. heh heh. electroclash is the new dad rock!

― momus telethon network, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

Momus she was just a little congested on the day they tracked the vocal, she's actually saying "naughty"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

Is naughty the new Saudi? Shit, I'm not doing enough coke.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

they got the best raves over there in Naughty Arabia

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

NO no no no NO!! OH GOD JESUS NO!!!! LISTEN, MOMUS, DRUGS ARE COOL!

― vice pr team, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

Is naughty the new Saudi? Shit, I'm not doing enough coke. < / dubya >

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

blount I kiss you with gold spoons

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

Nobody be nasty to me or I'll put you in the Don'ts. I already have the photos.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

if people who write for Vice say bad things about me, nobody'll wanna buy the album I put out in 2001

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

and that would be so 1990!

― m.g. pr, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.imomus.com/vicesummerisle.jpeg

The wages of sin. Vice, May 2004.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

ooo! so vice have record reviews! kerrazy! its like they've built the space shuttle of magazines!

― ooo, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but they also gave JAPANTHER a 10.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

Pitchfork on the same Devendra Banhart record:

'You and I listen to more music than anyone in the history of civilization. I don't mean more than your friend or that guy on that message board who seems to know about every buzz-worthy leaked CD before anyone else, but rather, more than any previous generation of active music fans. Think about all our MP3s and CDRs, the stuff we actually buy, and then add in the music we hear once and immediately declare isn't worth the 45 seconds we spent with it. It almost seems ridiculous, because ultimately, few of us would be willing to recommend more than but a few songs (let alone albums) to anyone outside our close-knit music circles. Digital media was supposed to satisfy the audiophiles with better sound and the businessmen with yet another kind of product to convince us...' [continued page 259 of 'Issues in Audio Marketing Today']

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Mark S I found a worthy replacement for $Ayn$

http://www.cc.utah.edu/~cjw4761/main/pict/suprandc.jpg

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

Momus for a guy who's read his Derrida you sure are into the binary oppositions: one need not read Vice or Pitchfork, y'know

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

I make money writing for magazines. I say that with Vice-like directness. The mags I enjoy reading myself are the ones I can't read. Japanese ones, mostly.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Momus you should write for Heat!

Re: Rand I do like it that she named herself after her typewriter.

― Presario Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

('Directness' is not incompatible with an Unreliable Narrator, though. No binary opposition there.)

I don't like the look of Heat because it's one of those faux-American British mags that came along with cluttered page layout and clunky faux-American typefaces and reviews of Hollywood rubbish. It's a classic 'inferiority complex exploitation' magazine for British people who wish they were, you know, Robert De Niro.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

Whereas Vice is a mag that came to New York from Canada and made Americans wish they were Canadian. A much more interesting development. Strike in the heart of the motherland!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

But Momus, Vice reads like a magazine written by a bunch of people who wish they were Americans! For true!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

No, it reads like a magazine written by people who wished they were Americans, then realised how much cooler they were when they got there, and proceeded to take revenge by turning the tables and making Americans feel totally inadequate.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

haha - riiight

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

well we're gonna have to agree to disagree ¥et again 'cause to me it reads like people who either are American or are doing a pretty fine job of sounding like willfully ugly Americans

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

you gotta love my yen sign by the way I did it special for you

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i can't quite figure out exactly what is the difference between vice's rich kid hipster xenophobia and, say, lost in translation's rich kid hipster xenophobia

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

I think the difference is that Coppola really hates hipsters since her hipster hubby cheated on her, whereas Vice just pretends to hate hipsters because hipsters hate themselves.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

If Americans wish they were Canadians, it's only because they want to get away from the Republican regieme supported by the Canadians who run Vice!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but they also gave JAPANTHER a 10.

yes, i was about to say.

Whereas Vice is a mag that came to New York from Canada and made Americans wish they were Canadian.

it's a handy soundbite, but i don't think vice made anyone wish they were canadian. seriously.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

what're you talking about, the first time I caught wind of their whole race schtick I was like "fuck this, I'm goin' to Banff"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

but coppola doesn't remotely hate hipsters - in the film ribisi/jonze is seen as having betrayed his hipster heritage by hanging with 'common' cameron diaz, and the lounge singer is held up for ridicule and disgust for singing maria muldaur while bill murray gets a free pass cuz he digs roxy music. even japan is redeemed when the chick and the dude hang with some 'hip' japanese - not like them square tv people who can't even pronounce 'r' correctly! lost in translation is EXACTLY the same hipster rich kid bullshit as vice

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

very good point. if anything, vice is more joyful and open about the whole thing.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

why can't we all just do some coke and get along?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I like Vice and very much dislike Lost In Translation. One day I will try to work out why, when a lot of rain falls from the sky.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

you posting from london momus cuz there's a lot of rain falling right now.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

re: this 'new journalism' thing: DON'T TRY IT. you are wrong.

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

there have been several 'new' journalisms to come along. in the 1880s, the 20s, wolfe used the term somewhat self-aggrandizingly in the 60s. vice isn't even a blip, and it's barely journalism.

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

But that's what people always say when New Journalism comes along!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

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