FIFA 2010

demo out this week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HyopGaF1ts

I hope they improve the player individuality this year round

mpx4a do u use any manual controls? thinking about trying them out this year, fkn hard tho

I haven't even tried them on FIFA 09, I am still quite bad at it. I'm working towards it though. Slow, sustainable growth.

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/blogs/fifa/offthebench/post/slug/live-season-20

meh

wd be good if u didn't have to pay for the first taste; they at least gave u one league free last year, this time it's only five updates free :/

really?! damn - not sure I'll pay for this since I mostly play in career mode

yeah, adidas sponsored the live season mode last year which allowed them to give one away

they're doing away with interactive leagues too to make way for my live season, which is a shame cos of course you have to pay to access my live season

I guess I'll mostly play manager mode and online then; would've liked to tool around with my live season tho

Oh man, there really is a Stuttgart player called P Funk.

demo is up

It's too soon! I haven't got Shrewsbury into the Premier League yet!

I must bring Champions League football to Local Park before I can move on!

nice nice nice nice

feels like a mix of euro 2008 and fifa09

360 dribbling is very subtle, I think it'll take time to get the most out of it

long balls can be hit flat and with pace

u can actually beat a man on the dribble

dare I say it, it feels kinda PES-y

in the responsiveness and weight but as if PES actually sacked seabass and put dave rutter in charge

Is this likely to be any good for the Wii? Is any football good on the Wii for that matter?

PES is the one to go for on the Wii

control for the Wii PES is weird at first but its worth sticking with, makes you wonder why no one has done similar for PC before (cue outraged PC owners clueing me into games i've never heard of before)

messi plus 360 control is sublime

interested to hear non-fanboy (ronan, spiralli) takes on the demo but I think it's amazing

they've made who can do what skill moves more transparent this year too: each player has a skill move rating out of 5 and each skill move is portioned out into one of five sets. so messi has a 5 star skill move rating and so can do every skill move in the game

I hope there are some guys with 0/5, there are men that have no business even doing a stepover or a shoulder feint.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9752/img00022200909101154.jpg

In fact they need to put in botch animations so that players who try and do fancy shit run the risk of getting humiliated and/or crippled.

they've kinda done that, I took the ball with henry and tried to accelerate past a defender too quickly in a sharp turn and the ball just rolled out from under his feet behind him, it felt pretty natural and showed the advantage of physics based gameplay over scripted/animation-based well

the ref jumps out of the way of the fkn ball as well which is good and the quick yellows and quick free kicks are very welcome

That sounds good, the game could do with a bit of a random element. I don't think the ball's ever deflected into the net in the time I've spent playing FIFA 09. Except from the goalkeeper dropkick exploit.

Demo isn't out in the US for another week :(
(and the game itself isn't out till October 20th, in the US or Japan)

Zappi - last year's FIFA for PC actually implemented a control scheme very similar to what you get on the Wii with PES (there's a demo to try out floating around). I don't think FIFA on Wii is supposed to be horrible - in fact I think last year they added in those Wii PES controls too. I think they games may be pretty close on Wii(?), but PES definitely got the jump & FIFA has been ignored. Last year's Wii PES also put back in the classic control scheme, so you had the option. I've yet to hear anything about this year's Wii games... possible people don't like the new Wii controls because they make the game harder to pick up and play?

Does the demo include online play?

Yeah, I heard the first PES on Wii wasn't all that, but that last year's was apparently great. I only got the Wii in April and am mostly broke so it's not been a priority, also I mostly want Beatles band atm. What's a casual gamer exactly? ;) Might get PES09 if it's cheap somewhere, or wait.

But no-one mentions FIFA on the Wii, but on everything else it beats PES atm?

no online play in the demo

3 minute halves, any difficulty, choice of chelsea, chicago fire, bayern, barcelona, juventus or marseille

you can probably just torrent the demo and burn it to a disc btw

oooh you can do these first-time flicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbASd5CU3H8

http://cdn.content.easports.com/media2/fifa10/6469725/742A0001_0_JPEG_SCREENSHOT_rsw.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-PyZpk-pHU

http://www.epltalk.com/scooreys-fifa-10-gameplay-impressions/10921
FIFA 10 Gameplay Impressions
by scoorey on September 10, 2009 · 4 comments

Australia’s 5 time FIWC champion, Stephen Coorey, was lucky enough to play the latest Fifa 10 build at EA headquarters today. Here are his impressions of the new game…

Today was the day I have been waiting for since the FIWC final in Barcelona in May – my first look at Fifa 10. I’d read about all the new features and improvements, but you never really know until you try it out yourself. A note before I start – the build I played today is 3 builds newer than the demo which hits the Xbox Live Marketplace and PS3 Store tonight, and I was told there are a lot of improvements in it, compared to the demo which has a few keeper bugs in there still.

Ok, let’s get straight into some heavily hyped new features…are they as good as the reviewers say?

360 dribbing

First game I chose Arsenal and kicked off, passed back to Fabregas and started moving. What followed immediately was the first of many OMG’s. Personally, before today, I was skeptical about 360 dribbing, as far as I could tell in Fifa 09, I could move in any direction I wanted to, not just 8 ways. The first few steps Fabregas took blew that out of the water – he actually moved his body for every little amount of pressure I put on the left thumbstick, whatever angle I moved it. I know that is probably hard to picture, but the point is, even the most basic of movements makes this new feature evident – it affects every aspect of the game . No longer do you just push the left thumbstick left and run straight at goal, numerous times I thought I was doing that but found myself running at a 10 degree angle towards the corner flag because I wasnt angling it exactly enough. Then I thought to myself, “how can I use this to rape the defense?” and started dancing back and forth, trying to dribble through the whole opposing team. No good though, the defenders can move EXACTLY where they want too, and if you collide with an opposing player – you really collide. I gave away a lot more free kicks than usual, but they were realistic, because I was leaving my foot or shoulder in the tackle to hurt the attacker and stop his momentum. Watching my player raise his hand and admit to doing something dirty was highly amusing.

Quick Free Kicks

That reminds me, if you are given a free kick and are near the ball, your player will put his hand on the ball, while the action continues around him, and if you want, you can quickly get on with play and catch your opponent napping. I know this has been in PES for a while, but seeing it used in Fifa was a dream come true for someone that has always detested free kicks and wanting to get on with the game quickly without giving the ball away.

1 v 1 / Goalkeeping

I cant finish 1v1’s anymore. I played all the guys at EA who have been playing it for months, and they couldnt finish them either. The goalkeepers are now AWESOME. I tried casually walking up to the keeper and chipping as he dived at my feet – no good. I tried running diagonal across him and finessing it to the far corner – no good, he will save it or you will MISS (even with top players). I tried blasting it – no good (still miss). You really need to unlock the defense to such an extent that you have someone unmarked to pass to as you draw the keeper. If you are successful at chipping the keeper, and he gets a hand to it, with the ball bouncing in front of goal – the keeper will “accidently” take your striker out as you race towards the ball, leaving you both on the ground as the defense rushes back to clean up. This will make attacking teams angry, but after all, a scramble is a scramble.

Cross whoring

So if you’ve played me in Fifa09, you know that I perfected a really dirty cross to the back post which 7 times out of 10 would result in a goal. Of course this was going to be one of the first things I tried on Fifa 10 – the SCOOREY cross. It didnt work. Not only did it not work, the keeper caught it – similar to the anti-corner glitch that became popular in the last few months of Fifa09 where the keeper would catch the corners if people tried to go back post. This time, the defender doesnt need to do anything - the keeper just catches it by himself if you try the glitch. Well done EA on that one. So I tried out a few other crosses. Normal crosses look way cool on Fifa 10. You can make them swerve and dip with the left thumbstick, and the strikers make intelligent runs to both posts much more often than in 09 when I had to practically force them. Heading is a little more difficult, but I did score a few nice ones, and alternatively you can chest it down and then go BANG, but this takes some luck as usually you will be challenged by a defender while trying this.

Chip Through ball

This was the most widely abused glitch on Fifa 09, run to the defense, and time a little chip through ball over the top, letting go when your striker was level with them, and watch the defense stop and look up like stunned mullets while CRonaldo or Rooney powers through on goal. All the talk was that this was no longer possible, but I was still able to do it the same way. The difference now is though, when you are past the defense it takes time and skill to control the ball, and while you are controlling it, the defense comes back or the keeper rushes up and there is nothing you can do before he smothers you. The defenders no longer stand still watching the ball, so it is a genuine contest, but if the striker is faster/stronger, he will still get to the ball first. What happens after that though is much more random.

Tackle from behind

As mentioned earlier, there are a lot of unexpected fouls, as the collision detection is much more realistic. You can no longer body check someone who is running full speed at your goal and expect to get away with it. Your player will put his hand up and admit the foul and cop a yellow card – even if you didnt press slide tackle. But just when I thought my defenders were being picked on, I lost the ball a couple of times and pressed tackle (slide or normal) straight away to see my player move his legs AROUND OR THROUGH the opponent, not touching him, but just the ball and winning it back straight away. I know it has been claimed for 2 years now that the ball was no longer attached to the person in possession, but this is the first time I’ve really believed it. You can make a play at the ball from anywhere and if you hit it cleanly, the ball bounces out of the attacker’s possession and where it goes is anyone’s business from then onwards!

Long Range Cracks

The return of long range cracks aye? I think after the long range finesse shot glitches of 07 and 08, people were happy when 09 made it almost impossible to score from outside of the box (regularly). Who better to try out this new feature than Stevie Gerrard. I picked up the ball around 40 yards out on the right side of the field, cut in and BLASTED…no finesse, just blast, and into the top corner it sailed, diagonally past the outstretched arm of the diving keeper. Long range cracks are back baby!

Little things

Imagine the ball bouncing between two players, one on each team. Neither player has possession. On Fifa09, they would run into each other, chest to chest, and whichever player was stronger would magically come out of the contest with the ball, with the other guy left behind like a piece of trash. Now imagine the ball bouncing and the defender thowing himself at the ball with a karate kick because it is too high for a normal kick, but too low for a header. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN FIFA 10. The animations are amazing. There are so many new ones. Your player wont go to the ball in 09? In 10 he slides at the ball to clear it desperately, or slides at it to knock a pass on to someone else.

Through balls look real! It is not just hit and hope, it calculates the correct angle and puts the player who makes the intelligent run in behind the defense and ready to play the assist. Unlocking defenses is now not just a challenge, but it makes you say out loud ‘good ball’ because it is exactly what you envisaged (and sometimes surprisingly better).

There are lots of little things like this which you only notice after playing a few games – and I am sure there are many that I missed in my 3 or so hours that I was playing everyone in the EA office (Thanks EA for letting me stay longer than the original hour that was planned :) ) Anyway, as you can probably tell, just like everyone else who has played this masterpiece, I cant go back to playing Fifa09 anymore. So while I wait for the demo, here are all the player ratings that I can remember. (Note that these might not be final, it was just before the transfer window shut, Dunne was still in Man City, but Madrid had all their Galacticos).

Barca
Messi 90, Ibra 89, Titi 85, Iniesta 88, Xavi 87, Yaya 82, Puyol 88

Real
Cronaldo 87 (89 if move him to striker), Kaka 88 (striker by default), Benzema 86, L.Diarra 84, Xabi 83, Pepe 84, Ramos 84

Man Utd
Rooney 87, Berba 85, Vidic 88, Rio 87, Hargreaves not fast anymore

Chelsea
Drogba 85, Anelka 85, Lampard 87, Ballack 85, Essien 85

Arsenal
RVP 84, Eduardo 83, Arshavin 87, Fabregas 87, Nasri 82, Rosicky 83, Walcott 82

Liverpool
Aquilani 83 (and very fast and skillful), Gerrard 88, Torres 88, Kuyt 84, Carragher 85

Man City
Adebayor 84, Robinho 83, Bellamy 80, Wright P 81, Ireland 78, Tevez 82, De Jong 77, Toure 87

Inter
Eto’o 87, Milito 85, Cambiasso 86, Mancini 81, Queresma 83, Motta 85, Maicon 84, Lucio 85, Samuel 85, Zanetti 82

this just looks so stupidly simple but I'm not sure you could have willingly done this in 09; I don't have a problem w/iniesta making that pass or w/messi winning the eventual ball despite the defender being stronger, the angles look good to me

kinda ridiculous. this is on world class, though it is against chicago fire.

tried the demo, played two matches so far, and i'm certainly buying this. actually think this might live up to the hype.

love how smooth it all feels. 360 dribbling probably adds a lot to this (i suck at dribbling so can't really tell yet) but also just the flow in a match with very few cutscenes, the com team taking quick free kicks against you etc.

the fps seemed a bit so-so at times though?

which version are you playing?

i'm on 360

This is the greatest video game ever.

I can understand the PES luddites not jumping ship last year because of FIFA 09 still being a bit treacly and unresponsive, but this is smooth as shit, it is manifest by the natural light.

Minor niggles:

Been given a warning for an obvious yellow card
Been yellow carded for an obvious red card (same weirdly prevalent scything two footed tackle animation from last year)
5 minutes of first half stoppage time
Tyler and Gray appearing to remark on every goal celebration and thumbstick skill, including just rolling the ball half a yard with yr fuckin studs

Good:
Fluid as all hell
Trajectory of shots is more varied, long range side footed curlers with good players are fuckin vicious as per czn's video
Generally greater variety of outcomes in tackles and shit
Quick free kicks nicked wholesale from PES

Have also already conceded a v realistic looking headed set-piece goal

the replay function also sucks and i can't see any point with that pre-game warm up business.

Are the menus the same / insanely complicated mess as the last two years, or have they figured out something to make 'em a little more user friendly? Is there a way to turn off in game replays? Is there a way to turn off replays in 09?

menus still ridiculous, and still laggy

framerate still appaling on replays and cutscenes

but yup it is the greatest videogame ever made

I love how you don't even need to use either tackle button to win a ball too; you can just run into a player at the right momentum and angle and you'll take the ball like you would in real life

so good

so fluid as mp4a says, the movement, the animation, everything

long passes are just vicious

judging by the description - it seems they've only added some kind of player personality tweak - i have a vague feeling EA is once again falling back on previous bad habits ("superstar" palyers, "magic skill", extra bonus power-up, etc.)

why can't i just download new transfer updates and be done with it?

It seemed like PES was going down the 'magic skill' route worse though, by letting you map eg a rainbow flick to one direction on the right stick and letting you do it whenever you want.

They also need to learn some of the lessons from the WC game and up the difficulty a lot because I was winning basically every game of FIFA 10 at least 3-0 by the end.

Additions / changes for 11...

Pro passing (eliminates easy ping pong passing, supposedly)
Ability to save replay videos directly to your hard drive
Personality+ (more variety to players, so players feel more unique)
Better tackling (360 degree defense)
Career mode combines be a pro & manager mode
Creation center
Goal keepers user controllable in career mode & 11 vs 11 online
Russian Premier League licensed for 360/ps3 versions

What is good for Wiii right now

super mario galaxy 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AlU5loZQIc

so the only thing new here (personality) is a 10 year old PES feature

11 on 11 o_O

user controlled celebrations 0_0

FIFA 10 has user controlled celebrations.

think that's a FIFA 08 innovation, maybe even earlier

can't decide betw. this and PES this year, burned out on FIFA 10 and its 'physical game' bullshit p.quickly and PES is shaping up quite nicely

The weird thing about PES this year is that it's looking more and more like a FIFA clone (maybe not so weird considering FIFA has been killing the last couple of years). Will be interested to try out the demos for both... here's some PES 2011 gameplay from Gamescom I was just watching...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8JWoYjex1s

FIFA 11 still appears to flow better, I think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vsK8PXNSCs

I'm not at all convinced by that PES footage at all, it just looks like the same old illogical ping-pong passing and awkward changes of direction, and sprinting diagonally towards the corner flag until you can turn back and pass it across the 18 yard line for ages waiting for a tap in. The ball physics look quite good though.

I hope the FIFA10 team have taken on quite a lot of the improvements from the World Cup game. I know they've ported over the cool penalty system, but WC really lived up the promise of how satisfying the 360 control should have been in FIFA 10. When the AI isn't relentlessly pressuring you with two men with infinite stamina, the sense of territorial gain and ball retention is a lot more enjoyable.

It might be that the guys on the FIFA demo are just better at the game, but there's definitely an awkwardness to PES that I don't think they'll ever quite get rid of this generation.

so FIFA and PES will be released on the same dday this year...

FITE!

I'm still enjoying being mostly rubbish at the FIFA single player and this doesn't look like anything new (or new enough to feel like a full release) so I think I'll skip it, at least until the dust settles.

I'm right there w/you but then the supermarkets always do FIFA pretty cheap on release so I might be swayed

for uk ilxors, fifa wc 2010 £14
http://www.amazon.co.uk/2010-FIFA-World-Cup-Xbox/dp/B0036TG51K/