FIFA 2010

control for the Wii PES is weird at first but its worth sticking with, makes you wonder why no one has done similar for PC before (cue outraged PC owners clueing me into games i've never heard of before)

messi plus 360 control is sublime

interested to hear non-fanboy (ronan, spiralli) takes on the demo but I think it's amazing

they've made who can do what skill moves more transparent this year too: each player has a skill move rating out of 5 and each skill move is portioned out into one of five sets. so messi has a 5 star skill move rating and so can do every skill move in the game

I hope there are some guys with 0/5, there are men that have no business even doing a stepover or a shoulder feint.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9752/img00022200909101154.jpg

In fact they need to put in botch animations so that players who try and do fancy shit run the risk of getting humiliated and/or crippled.

they've kinda done that, I took the ball with henry and tried to accelerate past a defender too quickly in a sharp turn and the ball just rolled out from under his feet behind him, it felt pretty natural and showed the advantage of physics based gameplay over scripted/animation-based well

the ref jumps out of the way of the fkn ball as well which is good and the quick yellows and quick free kicks are very welcome

That sounds good, the game could do with a bit of a random element. I don't think the ball's ever deflected into the net in the time I've spent playing FIFA 09. Except from the goalkeeper dropkick exploit.

Demo isn't out in the US for another week :(
(and the game itself isn't out till October 20th, in the US or Japan)

Zappi - last year's FIFA for PC actually implemented a control scheme very similar to what you get on the Wii with PES (there's a demo to try out floating around). I don't think FIFA on Wii is supposed to be horrible - in fact I think last year they added in those Wii PES controls too. I think they games may be pretty close on Wii(?), but PES definitely got the jump & FIFA has been ignored. Last year's Wii PES also put back in the classic control scheme, so you had the option. I've yet to hear anything about this year's Wii games... possible people don't like the new Wii controls because they make the game harder to pick up and play?

Does the demo include online play?

Yeah, I heard the first PES on Wii wasn't all that, but that last year's was apparently great. I only got the Wii in April and am mostly broke so it's not been a priority, also I mostly want Beatles band atm. What's a casual gamer exactly? ;) Might get PES09 if it's cheap somewhere, or wait.

But no-one mentions FIFA on the Wii, but on everything else it beats PES atm?

no online play in the demo

3 minute halves, any difficulty, choice of chelsea, chicago fire, bayern, barcelona, juventus or marseille

you can probably just torrent the demo and burn it to a disc btw

oooh you can do these first-time flicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbASd5CU3H8

http://cdn.content.easports.com/media2/fifa10/6469725/742A0001_0_JPEG_SCREENSHOT_rsw.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-PyZpk-pHU

http://www.epltalk.com/scooreys-fifa-10-gameplay-impressions/10921
FIFA 10 Gameplay Impressions
by scoorey on September 10, 2009 · 4 comments

Australia’s 5 time FIWC champion, Stephen Coorey, was lucky enough to play the latest Fifa 10 build at EA headquarters today. Here are his impressions of the new game…

Today was the day I have been waiting for since the FIWC final in Barcelona in May – my first look at Fifa 10. I’d read about all the new features and improvements, but you never really know until you try it out yourself. A note before I start – the build I played today is 3 builds newer than the demo which hits the Xbox Live Marketplace and PS3 Store tonight, and I was told there are a lot of improvements in it, compared to the demo which has a few keeper bugs in there still.

Ok, let’s get straight into some heavily hyped new features…are they as good as the reviewers say?

360 dribbing

First game I chose Arsenal and kicked off, passed back to Fabregas and started moving. What followed immediately was the first of many OMG’s. Personally, before today, I was skeptical about 360 dribbing, as far as I could tell in Fifa 09, I could move in any direction I wanted to, not just 8 ways. The first few steps Fabregas took blew that out of the water – he actually moved his body for every little amount of pressure I put on the left thumbstick, whatever angle I moved it. I know that is probably hard to picture, but the point is, even the most basic of movements makes this new feature evident – it affects every aspect of the game . No longer do you just push the left thumbstick left and run straight at goal, numerous times I thought I was doing that but found myself running at a 10 degree angle towards the corner flag because I wasnt angling it exactly enough. Then I thought to myself, “how can I use this to rape the defense?” and started dancing back and forth, trying to dribble through the whole opposing team. No good though, the defenders can move EXACTLY where they want too, and if you collide with an opposing player – you really collide. I gave away a lot more free kicks than usual, but they were realistic, because I was leaving my foot or shoulder in the tackle to hurt the attacker and stop his momentum. Watching my player raise his hand and admit to doing something dirty was highly amusing.

Quick Free Kicks

That reminds me, if you are given a free kick and are near the ball, your player will put his hand on the ball, while the action continues around him, and if you want, you can quickly get on with play and catch your opponent napping. I know this has been in PES for a while, but seeing it used in Fifa was a dream come true for someone that has always detested free kicks and wanting to get on with the game quickly without giving the ball away.

1 v 1 / Goalkeeping

I cant finish 1v1’s anymore. I played all the guys at EA who have been playing it for months, and they couldnt finish them either. The goalkeepers are now AWESOME. I tried casually walking up to the keeper and chipping as he dived at my feet – no good. I tried running diagonal across him and finessing it to the far corner – no good, he will save it or you will MISS (even with top players). I tried blasting it – no good (still miss). You really need to unlock the defense to such an extent that you have someone unmarked to pass to as you draw the keeper. If you are successful at chipping the keeper, and he gets a hand to it, with the ball bouncing in front of goal – the keeper will “accidently” take your striker out as you race towards the ball, leaving you both on the ground as the defense rushes back to clean up. This will make attacking teams angry, but after all, a scramble is a scramble.

Cross whoring

So if you’ve played me in Fifa09, you know that I perfected a really dirty cross to the back post which 7 times out of 10 would result in a goal. Of course this was going to be one of the first things I tried on Fifa 10 – the SCOOREY cross. It didnt work. Not only did it not work, the keeper caught it – similar to the anti-corner glitch that became popular in the last few months of Fifa09 where the keeper would catch the corners if people tried to go back post. This time, the defender doesnt need to do anything - the keeper just catches it by himself if you try the glitch. Well done EA on that one. So I tried out a few other crosses. Normal crosses look way cool on Fifa 10. You can make them swerve and dip with the left thumbstick, and the strikers make intelligent runs to both posts much more often than in 09 when I had to practically force them. Heading is a little more difficult, but I did score a few nice ones, and alternatively you can chest it down and then go BANG, but this takes some luck as usually you will be challenged by a defender while trying this.

Chip Through ball

This was the most widely abused glitch on Fifa 09, run to the defense, and time a little chip through ball over the top, letting go when your striker was level with them, and watch the defense stop and look up like stunned mullets while CRonaldo or Rooney powers through on goal. All the talk was that this was no longer possible, but I was still able to do it the same way. The difference now is though, when you are past the defense it takes time and skill to control the ball, and while you are controlling it, the defense comes back or the keeper rushes up and there is nothing you can do before he smothers you. The defenders no longer stand still watching the ball, so it is a genuine contest, but if the striker is faster/stronger, he will still get to the ball first. What happens after that though is much more random.

Tackle from behind

As mentioned earlier, there are a lot of unexpected fouls, as the collision detection is much more realistic. You can no longer body check someone who is running full speed at your goal and expect to get away with it. Your player will put his hand up and admit the foul and cop a yellow card – even if you didnt press slide tackle. But just when I thought my defenders were being picked on, I lost the ball a couple of times and pressed tackle (slide or normal) straight away to see my player move his legs AROUND OR THROUGH the opponent, not touching him, but just the ball and winning it back straight away. I know it has been claimed for 2 years now that the ball was no longer attached to the person in possession, but this is the first time I’ve really believed it. You can make a play at the ball from anywhere and if you hit it cleanly, the ball bounces out of the attacker’s possession and where it goes is anyone’s business from then onwards!

Long Range Cracks

The return of long range cracks aye? I think after the long range finesse shot glitches of 07 and 08, people were happy when 09 made it almost impossible to score from outside of the box (regularly). Who better to try out this new feature than Stevie Gerrard. I picked up the ball around 40 yards out on the right side of the field, cut in and BLASTED…no finesse, just blast, and into the top corner it sailed, diagonally past the outstretched arm of the diving keeper. Long range cracks are back baby!

Little things

Imagine the ball bouncing between two players, one on each team. Neither player has possession. On Fifa09, they would run into each other, chest to chest, and whichever player was stronger would magically come out of the contest with the ball, with the other guy left behind like a piece of trash. Now imagine the ball bouncing and the defender thowing himself at the ball with a karate kick because it is too high for a normal kick, but too low for a header. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN FIFA 10. The animations are amazing. There are so many new ones. Your player wont go to the ball in 09? In 10 he slides at the ball to clear it desperately, or slides at it to knock a pass on to someone else.

Through balls look real! It is not just hit and hope, it calculates the correct angle and puts the player who makes the intelligent run in behind the defense and ready to play the assist. Unlocking defenses is now not just a challenge, but it makes you say out loud ‘good ball’ because it is exactly what you envisaged (and sometimes surprisingly better).

There are lots of little things like this which you only notice after playing a few games – and I am sure there are many that I missed in my 3 or so hours that I was playing everyone in the EA office (Thanks EA for letting me stay longer than the original hour that was planned :) ) Anyway, as you can probably tell, just like everyone else who has played this masterpiece, I cant go back to playing Fifa09 anymore. So while I wait for the demo, here are all the player ratings that I can remember. (Note that these might not be final, it was just before the transfer window shut, Dunne was still in Man City, but Madrid had all their Galacticos).

Barca
Messi 90, Ibra 89, Titi 85, Iniesta 88, Xavi 87, Yaya 82, Puyol 88

Real
Cronaldo 87 (89 if move him to striker), Kaka 88 (striker by default), Benzema 86, L.Diarra 84, Xabi 83, Pepe 84, Ramos 84

Man Utd
Rooney 87, Berba 85, Vidic 88, Rio 87, Hargreaves not fast anymore

Chelsea
Drogba 85, Anelka 85, Lampard 87, Ballack 85, Essien 85

Arsenal
RVP 84, Eduardo 83, Arshavin 87, Fabregas 87, Nasri 82, Rosicky 83, Walcott 82

Liverpool
Aquilani 83 (and very fast and skillful), Gerrard 88, Torres 88, Kuyt 84, Carragher 85

Man City
Adebayor 84, Robinho 83, Bellamy 80, Wright P 81, Ireland 78, Tevez 82, De Jong 77, Toure 87

Inter
Eto’o 87, Milito 85, Cambiasso 86, Mancini 81, Queresma 83, Motta 85, Maicon 84, Lucio 85, Samuel 85, Zanetti 82

this just looks so stupidly simple but I'm not sure you could have willingly done this in 09; I don't have a problem w/iniesta making that pass or w/messi winning the eventual ball despite the defender being stronger, the angles look good to me

kinda ridiculous. this is on world class, though it is against chicago fire.

tried the demo, played two matches so far, and i'm certainly buying this. actually think this might live up to the hype.

love how smooth it all feels. 360 dribbling probably adds a lot to this (i suck at dribbling so can't really tell yet) but also just the flow in a match with very few cutscenes, the com team taking quick free kicks against you etc.

the fps seemed a bit so-so at times though?

which version are you playing?

i'm on 360

This is the greatest video game ever.

I can understand the PES luddites not jumping ship last year because of FIFA 09 still being a bit treacly and unresponsive, but this is smooth as shit, it is manifest by the natural light.

Minor niggles:

Been given a warning for an obvious yellow card
Been yellow carded for an obvious red card (same weirdly prevalent scything two footed tackle animation from last year)
5 minutes of first half stoppage time
Tyler and Gray appearing to remark on every goal celebration and thumbstick skill, including just rolling the ball half a yard with yr fuckin studs

Good:
Fluid as all hell
Trajectory of shots is more varied, long range side footed curlers with good players are fuckin vicious as per czn's video
Generally greater variety of outcomes in tackles and shit
Quick free kicks nicked wholesale from PES

Have also already conceded a v realistic looking headed set-piece goal

the replay function also sucks and i can't see any point with that pre-game warm up business.

Are the menus the same / insanely complicated mess as the last two years, or have they figured out something to make 'em a little more user friendly? Is there a way to turn off in game replays? Is there a way to turn off replays in 09?

menus still ridiculous, and still laggy

framerate still appaling on replays and cutscenes

but yup it is the greatest videogame ever made

I love how you don't even need to use either tackle button to win a ball too; you can just run into a player at the right momentum and angle and you'll take the ball like you would in real life

so good

so fluid as mp4a says, the movement, the animation, everything

long passes are just vicious

somes like some decent rpg lite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqeaEAbhQQ&feature=player_embedded#t=135

seriously, this should just be out already

So annoyed that the demo is only for lofty Gold Live members. :( What do we Silvers wait, a week? I'm not taking the chance of buying it without playing a demo first...

download it off a torrent site/rapidshare and burn to a disc?

<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278049446/FIFA10_Demo.part01.rar";>Part 1</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278052689/FIFA10_Demo.part02.rar";>Part 2</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278055405/FIFA10_Demo.part03.rar";>Part 3</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278058320/FIFA10_Demo.part04.rar";>Part 4</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278060750/FIFA10_Demo.part05.rar";>Part 5</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278063666/FIFA10_Demo.part06.rar";>Part 6</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278066230/FIFA10_Demo.part07.rar";>Part 7</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278070876/FIFA10_Demo.part08.rar";>Part 8</a>
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/278070007/FIFA10_Demo.part09.rar";>Part 9</a>

Ah, cool. Will that work on 'legit' Xboxes like mine?

yeah, works on any xbox, just burn the files to a disc and pop it in your 360

they normally load slower when running off disc, dunno if you can install demos to the HDD; doubt it

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/9163445

This is not exciting but it does have a good run from full back and a good block that suggests the defenders take some interest in where the ball is.

EA are looking at the goalies apparently

u can filter online matches by team rating, assisted/manual controls and game speed

also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8tgRw8I7U0

"Audio Director Jeff MacPherson answers the call to the many who have been asking about new commentary in FIFA 10. Here’s his first blog going in-depth with what fans can expect in this year’s game.
We know that in the past we’ve neglected to give Manager Mode the commentary depth it deserves. Quite frankly, we have been focused on the challenges of just getting a 90 minute match right! So, this year, for FIFA 10, we listened to the feedback and decided to devote a large portion of our commentary development time to supporting Manager Mode and Virtual Pro progression.

We designed over 150 new commentary “contexts” devoted to these modes with anywhere from two to twenty different phrases for each. There are lots of new types of team, player and manager banter talking about milestones, performance, stats and more. We’ve focused on intro and fulltime analysis that is relevant to where the player is in seasons and tournaments. When a player is in possession of the ball there are comments about his performance over the course of the match and over the course of the season. Different actions (i.e. tackles, misses, goals, etc.) are qualified using player traits and season/career statistics. There is feedback and hinting regarding the transfer window. There is feedback regarding manager job security and team budgets. Along with ensuring that there is enough coverage (breadth), we also aimed for depth - there are comments that you will not hear until well into a Manager Mode or Virtual pro career/progression.

Here are just a few examples of the types of commentary you can expect to hear as you progress through Manager Mode or use your Virtual Pro in FIFA10:
- Midfield banter about your teams league standing, where you are in the league, how you’ve been playing and how your team stacks up against your opponent
- Transfer window information like the window is opening; your team has made a transfer; the window is closing soon/closed; your team has the budget and should make a transfer before it is too late; etc.
- References to a player who has rarely been booked this season getting a red/yellow card
- All new fulltime analysis as it relates to cup and tournament progression; including reference to specific cups by name; multi-leg matches with aggregate scoring; etc.
- More intro and fulltime comments relating to season progression, where you stand in the table; if it looks like you’re going to win the league or, indeed, if you’ve already won the league; early season indicators based on performance; etc.
- Commentary is aware of and speaks about multi-game winning and losing streaks
- Virtual Pro goal milestones including number of goals for your club this season and number of consecutive matches scoring
- Comments based on stats as it relates to current action: i.e. if a player has scored many free kicks for your team this season this will be mentioned when he steps up to take a free kick; if you’re Virtual Pro has scored hat-tricks before for this club then it will be mentioned as he’s seeking out his third goal in a match; a strikers season performance is assessed for goals and misses (a high performing striker may get a hard time for missing while a low performing striker will cause surprise if he manages to score); passing percentage is taken into account as a player gives the ball up again or makes another successful pass; similarly, tackle percentage is taken into account when a player makes a successful tackle (or does not!)
- Transfer information: a noteworthy new transfer will be mentioned in the intro; when the new player has the ball we may hear about how he is old or young, or how expensive he was to the club and how the commentators may feel he’ll gel with the new club
- Player traits and play style are taken into account: i.e. players who are known for long-range shots will get more anticipation further away from goal and the commentators will be more lenient if he misses a long shot as he’s known to score from distance; mentions players with determination bringing up a team’s morale by still giving his all when they are down; players who score often from finesse shots are praised; a “playmaker” can be expected to play the ball to his teammates; players who tend to play out wide are referenced in that position; etc.
- Saves and misses preventing major milestones are mentioned and the rivalry between a player and the keeper in these situations is played up
- Player form is discussed
- More focus on the team captain: the team may have a new captain; the form of the current captain and how it affects the team; goals scored by the captain; etc.
- Many new introductions to season matches including: Virtual Pro debut; new transfers; players returning from injury/suspension; previous result against this opponent; winning and losing streaks; league table standings; how the team stacks up against their opponents; if a team is facing relegation or promotion; etc."

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/9208827

nice! shd've ran to the fans at the other end tho

any joy w/"skilled dribble" yet?

this ws good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BigVqfoD3LY

I keep playing on top level and not getting enough space to do the fancy shit, I'll probably need a few hours on the new training thing. Also, it gives you Lampard on the start screen so you don't get an easy way to practice the top level/new skills.

I did some combined stepover/Marseille roulette thing that went between two players in a way that would have been impossible on FIFA 09 though, so that's good.

The 360 control is kind of a doubled edged sword in that it seems to affect the direction of your passes in a way that can make you pick out a guy you didn't want if you're all sloppy about it, and it also makes your first touch ridiculously important because it's so easy to run it out of play or accidentally towards another defender instead of just in a brutal straight line towards goal. It feels properly like the biggest step forward in a decade just to run around with it in general though, there's none of that "this is the same game from last year" feeling outside of the presentation/cutscene aspects

it also makes your first touch ridiculously important because it's so easy to run it out of play or accidentally towards another defender instead of just in a brutal straight line towards goal

OTM. For the time being, this feels quite hard. You cannot get away with all the automatisms you acquired in previous editions

Do Brits care about these FIFA games as much as us Americans care about Madden? Do they make FIFA worse every year just like Madden, adding a bunch of useless bells and whistles?

Do they make FIFA worse every year just like Madden, adding a bunch of useless bells and whistles?

Do not want realistic Fratton Park atmosphere.

there's no FIFA challenge, if that's what you're asking

and we have no ryanmoody21, sadly

for uk ilxors, fifa wc 2010 £14
http://www.amazon.co.uk/2010-FIFA-World-Cup-Xbox/dp/B0036TG51K/