Why do white people criticize one another for being white?

It is six years later, we have a black president in the USA (since this thread is US-oriented). Do you think we have made significant progress in that time WRT stereotypes about music consumers?

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Is this "too white" thing just about bad marketing and careless reporting?

oh good

bacon

Are you asking whether black people have started going to Roots shows?

The truth about this is ineffable, yet you effers keep effing.

i was one of those people in high school & some of college who described things, pejoratively, as 'white' (i had a radio show called 'renegades of funk' LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL)... anyway my self-loathing cycle arrived and i did this complete 180 a few years ago and now privilege and prize music that i once would have disparagingly called 'white' (i.e. dadrock, balearic, & in particular the intersection btw the two) (im not sure that my reason for doing this reversal is, um, 'racial' in nature; i mean, i wasnt checking out hall & oates instead of mos def because i had gone stormfront--though i think there was a certain kind of racial discomfort i began to feel abt my position w/r/t rap music & maybe my shift toward the dadrockearic axis was a desire to return to a less fraught place)

anyway i now listen to i guess "white boy" music (incl. even some indie bands!!!!!! who are of course the 'whitest' of the 'white') but id never think of calling it 'white' approvingly. not really shocking, obviously, since its sort of troubling to be going around using 'white' as a compliment. i guess i just wanted to share.

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i guess i only use "white" to describe music or a performance that is going for a style rooted in black or latin culture, but missing the mark (no matter the ethnicity of the performers).

xxxpost hall & oates are pretty funky white boys tho

i'm white btw
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According to the Hall and Oates biography, Hall upon learning that "I Can't Go For That" had gone to Number One on the R and B chart, wrote in his diary,"I'm the head soul brother in the US. Where to now?"

white people are the worst

i would love to read the rest of that diary

"i guess i only use "white" to describe music or a performance that is going for a style rooted in black or latin culture, but missing the mark (no matter the ethnicity of the performers).

― meat of beef (Jordan)"

how long was this thread before someone finally stepped in with the easy common sense answer to the question?

white people post like this

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hmmm interesting question nabisco... *thoughtfully strokes neckbeard*

yeah it's almost like white people have no pride

i say more power to them

one might say we need a new stormfront of self-worth

i think white people just need to "master" race as it were

white people need a final solution to this question.

too far

what's it like to be white?

maybe that question needs a new thread

*thoughtfully strokes neckbeard*

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watch out for them pop tart crumbs

btw u are very white

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ritz, cracker

my coke-rap name is gram cracka

bernard snowy's not a bad one either.

in response to Max's post (before all the one-liners): Are indie bands the "whitest of the white"? There are plenty of genres that are whiter, or at least as white, based on racial makeup of audiences and musicians: country, metal, avant-garde classical, noise, prog, goth. Is the "white guilt" more prominent in indie because it's somewhat the dominant genre for educated white people, "white guilt" being found less in working class white people? I'm a white person that listens to white music, and I don't feel guilty about it or feel the need to criticize the whiteness of the music or scenes surrounding the music I like.

I was discussing this awhile back with a friend whose former band made Chunklet's list of "whitest bands." I think there are multiple types of music that get coded as "white." There's the mopey "we are losers" introspective indie whiteness, a similar, perhaps undeserving "angst" that also marks emo as "white," which is different from the analytical "nerdiness" of prog, noise and avant-garde that is also coded as white. One could connect both types of whiteness as lacking in the working-class masculinity (the badassness mentioned in one of the earlier posts on this thread). However, if one's music is more marginal, I think a white person that's into it naturally feels less guilty about it being white, because most white people aren't into it either.

metal and goth are ASSUREDLY not whiter than indie rock when it comes to "racial makeup of audiences and musicians"

That was mighty white of you, whiney.

"You Make Me Feel (Mighty White)"

"I'm a white person that listens to white music, and I don't feel guilty about it or feel the need to criticize the whiteness of the music or scenes surrounding the music I like."

rock n roll is black music, fwiw.

oh boy

xp Whiney: I think it depends on what type of metal and what bands, etc.

A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

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I mean, I think pretty much any metal outside of (ironically enough) black metal is more racially diverse than indie rock. But we're splitting hairs here.

hmmm i wonder if "white" might mean different things in different contexts..........................

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xp: Whiney on rock music - And I think that could be part of the "guilt" factor - that it's something white people have appropriated.

I've never really felt any need to use the "word" white as a qualifier for music, because for me the word "unfunky" has pretty much the same meaning, without getting into dodgy racial essentialism. It's much easier to say "white musicians can be funky" or "black musicians can be unfunky" than "white musicians can be black" or "black musicians can be white". Of course, if you're talking about the demographics of particular music subculture rather than the content of the music, then it makes more sense to use words like "black" or "white".