Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

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Jay-Z ripped Nas and Mobb Deep on his new CD!!! That nigga is everywhere and got the game on lock without a doubt!!!

― Jeremiah Erby, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

after reading some of that shit i hope yall start killing yourselves. oh no this is the internet.

― Suave Wobb, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

JIGGA HURTS NAS ON HIS NW C.D, EVEN THOUGH IM A HUGE FAN OF BOTH JIGGA AND NAS, NAS'S CREWS ARE GONNA BE TOO MUCH 4 HIM 2 TAKE ON.I'VE GOT EVERYTHING NAS AND JIGGA HAVE DONE AND THEY BOTH ILL RAPPERS, NAS AN ILL POET 2.BUT JIGGA SHOULD NOT TRY 2 MESS COZ R.O.C AINT GOT NOTHING ON QUEENSBRIDGE-BOTH OF THEM R THE BEST THE EaStSiDe HAVE GOT. BENIE,MEMPHIS ARE ILL 2 BUT QUEENSBIDGE ARE TOO MANY AND ALL HEAVY M.C'S.SOME1'S GONNA GET HURT-U HEARD FROM ME FIRST.ONE

― EaSt SiDe LoVeR, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

jay WAS cool but his last 2 albums just didnt cut apart from big pimpin he didnt have those clasic tracks u expexct from him. yeah he is a grat rapper but he seems 2 be lackin nowdays nas is de man he is 1 of de tightest rappers of all time if n e 1 could do in jay its him jay aint a batlling rapper and nas is da man.

― andy hixon, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think Nas and Jay-z are a couple of the best rappers right now. Although you can't compare the two. Jay-z is nothing more than a commercial pretty boy that says things to sell records. I like his stuff but it is not on the same level as Nas. Nas has ideas and opinions and can tell a story in a rap. Nas's combination of Illmatic, I am, and It was Written is better than anything Jay-z will ever put out.

― Ray Vazini, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nas and Jay Z are probably two of the most talented MC out right now. But their stlyles are different. Jay Z has more of a laid back, witty style and Nas has a more inituitve, thought provoking deep rap. If you HAD to compare the to NAS would definfently eat Jay Z's ass. Nas's lyrics on H to the homo were so tight cause he ate damn near everybody in Jay Z's camp in about 8 bars. Jay'z's the takeover was tight in its own right, but he has ALOT of filler in there, and ther are few deep rhymes in the song. So basically, when Stillmatic comes out, It will be No question as to who is the king of NY. But even though these niggas is feudin about being the best, the best battle rapper of all time is definently Tupac. Hit em' up has to be the most damaging battle rhyme ever produced. Tupac dissed an entire COAST in that song, with each line lyrically murdering one MC after another. And damn near nobody responded to that song. The only rapper that actually responded hard to hit em' up was none other than Chino XL. All these other rapper bithchin about being the best like Jay Z, Prodigy, Nas, etc. wern't sayin nuthin. So, If you haven't heard Chino XL's freestyle dissing tupac, I suggest you download it. So in summarry NAS is better than Jay Z, Chino XL is the most underrrated MC, and Tupac is the best of all time. One.

― Barry Rukes, Sunday, 16 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm assuming that after our terrible world trade incident Nas and Jay will both realize that their miniscule beef is nothing compared to the problems NYC is facing today. Even over the "American" bond they also share a "New York" bond as well. What you think?

― Kuizzy fa Shizzy, Sunday, 16 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Listen all dick heads. Ya Niggas is talkin mad shit not even thinking. Fuck Nas fuck Jay-z the nigga ya should be talking about is tha Fabolous. Fabolous album is 100 times better than the blueprints HoLLa Back at t

― Michael, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How come no one raised an eyebrow when Nas spit "...these niggaz is wrong using your name in vain and they claim to be New York's king" You know he was talking about Jay-z and this was awhile back on the I am album. I like Jigga's lyrics but why's he always mentioning Big and Pac in all of his songs now. He didn't even know Pac. As a matter of fact I think he tried spittin some sneaky shit about Pac in I love the dough.

― Smokey, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ya Niggaz is lame because Jigga and Nas Aint fucking wit FaBoLoUs

― FaBoLoUs, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that fabulous cd is garbage. jada wrecks.

― playbpoy, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jigga-blueprint- 41/2 mics in my opinion. i was a die hard fan of nas when illmatic came out, but he blatantly turned his back on his fans for sales. once you turn your back on your fans(especially in hip hop), you almost never get them back. he went for commercial appeal. he got the sales he wanted on his next album. by his 3rd(wack), his true hip hop fans were gone, and he became yesterdays news to everyone else. even when he put out a few bangers, niggas was hesitant to ride with him again. i'd about given up on him until he put out 'stillmatic'. but it will take more than that to make me buy another cd of his. i sincerely hope he takes it back to the streets though. and i don't mean the violence, i mean the cause. as for jay, many people won't agree but i think 'reasonable doubt' was just as commercial as most of his shit. tight-no doubt, but i think it was fairly consistant with the rest of his stuff. 'blueprint' is a definate standout though. only 41/2 because he's still a bit commercial for me. right now, jigga's king till someone proves otherwise. word for eternity---CONSISTENCE!!!!!

― D. Was, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh my ...

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

talk about jay z goin pop what the fuck has nas done? Beenie will eat nas, already ate jada. Don't fuck with the roc period. Jay Z has been around for a long ass time believe no one wants to battle Jay. Bleek is probably the weakest out of the roc and he's solid. Beans and Jay are the kings of the game right now. I honestly think that beans would hold his own or eat eminem in a cipher. The rocs hot no one can fuck wit their sales or there street appeal.

― zach gannis, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nas is crazy out his mind. It started with "Hate me Now" and it just went south quick for him. His "FIRM" project with AZ and Foxy was a complete failure. His last two albums don't come close to his first two with hits such like "New York State of Mind" and "I Gave you Power" or even "Black Girl Lost." Jay-Z on the other hand is the illest. He's proven he can master any style. Look at his fukken resume: collabos with Dr. Dre to Mariah to Juvenile to UGK to Sauce Money to Snoop Dogg to JDupri to Too $hort. From "Ain't No Nigga" to "Sunshine" to "City is Mine" to "Can I Get a ..." to "Girl's Best Friend"to "S.Carter" to "Big Pimpin" to "HOVA." He can flow with anyone and can change styles with the best. He's earned the moniker "King of New York" by his works and his commercial sales. Are you kidding me? The beef can be traced back to even before Foxy Brown hooked up with Nas to form the FIRM, after Jay-Z basically made her and wrote half her rhymes. I think it's been long-standing that the two don't get along. Check "Life and Times of Sean Carter ... vol. 3" and listen to the song "Come and Get Me." The feud has been subtle until recently. "H to the izzo, M to the izzo" is clever. But, Nas has fallen a long time ago.

One

― Avenel Solano, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I respect y'all's opinion, but I disagree to the utmost. First of all, Pac is the Best. He gone and his new stuff is still tight. If u put out a brand new Easy-E song in 2001, it might be ok, but it won't be hot. Same for Biggie. But if you put out a Pac song, that we never heard, wit up to date beats, it'll be tight. Look at "Til the end of Time." He probably wrote that in 96' but it is still an "on the top song." Sure it is some nonsense songs on that last CD that he may not even have ever released, but there are also some "Plait" type songs too,(All out) that no rapper, past or present can match. Second, Pac perfected the art of rap beef. Come on, he called out everybody from, Bigge, Nas, Jigga, everybody. And not one of them responded. Yes, even your boy Jay. Now Hov gives a shout out to Pac. I respect that, but just admit that Pac had them people scared to respond. I know Puff doesn't go for that so BIG may have had no choice, but look at Nas and Jay, ain't say a word. Mobb came back at him and I'm not really a fan of them but I respect them because they took on the Jordan of Rap. Next, I need to note that the rappers with the best skills right now are, Jada, Jigga and Nas. There stuff makes you think. They are not like other rappers. Look at all the peeps who are out now that Pac is gone, str8 biting his style (Master P, Cash Money). But Jada, Jigga and Nas don't copy. And they don't spit nonsense like the rest (Luda and Nelly to name a few) Yeah they all may have put some stuff out that was a little less than "hardcore" But you gotta do that to sale. If every track is street, than you will get hardly no air play and/or no sales. This ain't the block where you gotta keep it 1 way or else you are a sell out. No, you gotta put out with the people gonna buy. So the fact that the 3 rappers at the top (in my opinion) are selling and still keeping it tight, without nonsense songs, (Shake it fast) because of that, you gotta give them their dues. Lastly, if you think Beans is better than J-A-D-A, you are trippin'. I just heard Jada's comeback... Jada won if you ask me, but Beans did better than I would have guessed. But how does Beanie figure that ROC has the belt. If you pull Jay-Z out, then ROC is a bunch of "okay" rappers. Beanie ain't put out a thing that is classic, and I doubt if he can. The Jay vs. Nas is too close to call. I would say Jay won because he says more, but his is a response. I think it is easier to respond to a diss than to come out first. Whoever does #2 got the upperhand. So it is too close for me to call, but please don't act like Nas got str8 up punked, cause that ain't true. Both of these people laid it down. Okay, that's it. R.I.P to those in the plane incident in D.C., PA, NY and to Aaliyah. Holla.--------------Qoolout

― QS/ Qoolout, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

lyrically, most are you are dead wrong. on that tip it goes to cats like mos def, ras kass, talib kweli, eminem, and pharoah monch to name a few. there are many other artists "lyrically" that bring some shit that will totally blow your mind. of course you probably won't hear most of them because they lack that commercial appeal. jigga is one who has come closest to mastering both worlds. in my opinion, big's 'i'm ready to die' reached the peak. he had everything you could ask for in a cd. + he was a heavyweight lyrically. i love pac to death, but i look at him as more an icon, a personality (on par with ali for boxing) in the rap game. he had a bigger impact than the rest. but i don't think any of his cds were absolute standouts compared to other top cds. by the way, jigga held his own in renegade, but eminem.....damn!

― DonWas, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i agree, who ever has the response diss will have the advantage on the person who put out the 1rst diss. I think neither Nas or Jigga are the kings of New York, but Jigga is the hottest rapper out now. I never thought that the ROC was holding it down. If you ask me, the Rawkus record label is the hottest label out right now. I think that Method Man's next album might knock out Jay-Z and Nas.

P.S. watchout for that Nigga named Royce da 5'9"

― Darth Marl, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Isn't there anyone who thinks that Tupac is a talentless fuck? Him and his bloody loungecore piano samples and pathetic attempts at making himself some sort of intellectual icon. He fits every stereotype about rap, the constant songs about loving his mama, and besides all this his Gangster posturing doesn't convince me at all. Also his voice is shit and he's pretentious moreso than most rappers and in a more irritating way.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

2Pac was in Digital Underground, which gives him a free cred card.

Beyond that, one reason he fits the stereotypes for gangsta rap so well is because he was one of the people used to cement them.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Shit, forgot to add that Pac's gangsta posturing was anything but posturing; read some more about his life and you'll see an intelligent person forced into a bad situation who was well on his way out of it when he was killed.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think either rapper is better. They are both on top. Like Jay said his self before, the greatest rappers are Biggie, Jay- Z, and Nas. They just need to drop it, and be cool again. Cause to me, it seems stupid to keep on rapping about killing another rapper, or doing harm to another rapper when you know your not going to do it. I feel that if they really want to be called one of the greatest rappers, they need to be the bigger people, and drop it. Maybe some rappers kept on going, but they could just drop it, and be cool. To me neither one of them are weak. They are both on top. All this beef ain't needed. I think if you need to prove anything to anyone. If someone questions you being the best, don't start a whole flow about killing them, just keep on doing your thing. Doing that will shut people up. To me no other rappers will touch Nas or Jay, thats the prediction, Holla back.

― Yatta, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

All you who think that NAS has fallen off, fuck that! ya his nastradamus album was disapointing, but lyrically he's best, you all know he can spit a hot verse. His still got it, and he's going to use what he's been saving, to shit on GAY-Z. And what the fuck was that song Gay-Z did at the end with his hidden track with "girls, girls" remix. What kind of fucking beat is that. Did he sample that from Sesame Street!? I guess he truly is Gay....Z Remember album sales don't mean shit. Theres a difference between HIP-HOP and HIP-POP and NAS is HIP-HOP.

― Larry Bird, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

gotta give it to donwas a few posts up ... mos def is a classic, lyrical visionary. and the others you mention are good too. but, this a debate about NAS and Jay-Z ... and the KING OF NEW YORK title. all this 2pac stuff is buggin me out. 2pac was great ... one of the greatest ... but he admittingly knew he wasn't the best rapper ever. it was his charisma and thug style what people loved. AND, from most accounts, JAY-Z WAS the first to call out Nas. so, he wasn't just responding. yes, jay-z shouts out 2pac with "the flows of all flows, not a demon, but a rose in the cement" and other lines. he also shouts out eminem and snoop dogg "until snoop crushed the building ... i'm trying to restore the feeling." JAY-Z respects and loves hip hop. remember the joint with AMIL and Jaz-o "Nigga what"? could Nas rhyme that fast? has Nas put out anything that can compare to "The World is Mine" or "Black Girl Lost" on his last two albums? his last two albums, he tried to commercialize and went for the "bling-bling" steez. jay-z still bumps hard core along with the booty dance mixes. his gansta stuff makes it into the mainstream "who ya with" and "watch me" with dr. dre. Nas will be forever remembered for "ILLMATIC" ... but Jay-Z really put hip hop into everyone's living room, everyone's car stereo, and still had thugz lovin it.

One.

― A.Sol, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ALL YALL MUTHAFUCKAS TALKIN ABOUT HOW GREAT JAY Z IS. THIS NICCA IS WEAK AS WATER. TELL ME HOW A NICCA WAS TRYING (I DID SAY TRY) TO BEEF WITH THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME(PAC)WHEN HE WAS LIVIN, AND AFTER MY NICCA DIED HE IS GIVIN HIM MAD PROPS LIVE (ON MTV MUSIC AWARDS AND SEVERAL TIMES IN HIS SONGS, BYTCH AZZ NIGGA). IN CASE HOVA HASN'T HEARD "...FUCK JAY Z AND I SMOKE DAILY..."(UNTIL THE END OF TIME) ENOUGH SAID! AS FOR THE BLUE PRINT THAT SHYT IS O.K. IT HAS ONLY LIKE 3 TRACKS. NOW ABOUT NAS THAT NICCA IS GAY TOO. HE NEEDS TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, SHYT WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME HE GOT AN INCOME OVER SIX FIGURES..."THE MOVIE BELLY" "...WHAT ABOUT THIS NIGGA NAS HE COPIED MY STYLE FIVE SHOTS COULDN'T DROP ME I TOOK IT AND SMILED..."(HIT EM UP) ENOUGH SAID! PRODIGY HE IS O.K., THAT NICCA TRIES TO KEEP IT GANGSTA. NOW LIKE SUGE K. SAID ALL OF THESE EAST COAST NIGGAZ IS FAKE AND HE ONLY HAS RESPECT FOR WHO DOUBLE RR MEANING JADA KISS N THEM, "...THAT'S WHY PAC AINT REALLY LIKE MOST OF YALL COWARDS!!"(KISS THE GAME GOODBYE) PERSONALLY I THINK JADA'S ALBUM IS NICER THAN HOVA'S, SHYT ALL OF HIS TRACKS ARE GRIMMY. ONE LAST QUOTE FROM THE GREATEST "I AM A bad boy KILLA jay z DIE TOO LOOKIN OUT FO mobb deep NIGGA WHEN I FIND YOU...." OH YEAH AND THE SOURCE IS WACK TOO GIVING NAS AND BIGGIE FIVE MICS WHEN THEY KNOW DAMN WELL THAT THE BEST ALBUM TO EVER DROP WAS U ALREADY KNOW ALL EYEZ ON ME. DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

― The Best, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

to me in my opinion personally i think the best LYRICIST has to be master p cuz he keep it gutter and he keep it fa sho dirty. 2nd lyricist is nelly, with ludacris coming in at a close 3rd, fa shoe ya undagig ei whatt it do holla at ya boy. tell ya mama let me smash in her ear, ei fa sho holla at me.

― matt, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't want anyone to think for a second that i feel nas has lost his ability to speak poetry. i know that he has it in him. but i, like many other hip hop fans that love the "art", feel he hasn't grown from illmatic. you just don't come gutter your first time out then leave it all behind for the glamour. at that time, we already had 40,000 mc's rappin about italian clothes, champagne, ice, and 4.6's. we didn't need nor want that from him. he was the one that was supposed to put the east coast back on the map. take hip hop back to the streets(once again, not for the violence-for the cause). now i understand that a nigga gotta eat, but that's what makes an artist truly an artist. one who doesn't compromise for the almighty dollar. don't get me wrong, if that's what you do-that's what you do. jigga happens to be good at it. but many of us just expected more from nas. i don't hate him for it, just disappointed. he came wicked on stillmatic, but it feels a little bit like hatin'!! battle raps won't get him the title. a couple of tight cd's will get him back on track though.

― DonWas, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The definition of lyricist is not Master Percy. Any rep from the SOUTH is BITCH MADE with some exceptions. Master P-Bitch made, Lil' Wayne-bitch made, anyone else with lil' or big in there is BITCH MADE. A lyricist award should be awarded to the following: Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, Common, Mos Def, Pharoahe Monch, 2Pac (early years) and with another album like Marshall Mathers LP Eminem. As for the best in battle rap 2Pac (later years), L.L. Cool J, Jay-Z with a track like "Takeover" and Biggie Smalls with the 2Pac retaliation tracks such as "Long Kiss Goodnight" and "Dig 'em up(unreleased)".

― Ski-dub, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anyone whose top 3 lyricists are p, luda, and nelly needs to get the fuck outta this discussion

― Thix, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm tired of people saying Nas ain't commercial. Than the what the hell was "You Owe Me" w/ Ginuwine all about? Oochie Wally? He was trying to gain commercial success mu fuckas. Like Jay-Z said Niggas betta learn to respect the King. Hov got all this rap game on lock even with his sorry ass Roc-a-fella crew. Nas don't know who he wants to be anymore. He failed at being a thug because Cormega pulled his card in XXL and admitted that Nas never slanged crack/rock. Nas is a poet and he should keep his ass in the books and not try to be a thug cause he aint. Hov is gutter and he makes music that everyone can feel. That nigga ain't commercial. that nigga is a smart ass business man who is making some mean ass loot. So quit hating on my nigga. So mark my words DMX Jada Mobb Deep Jayo Felony Nas QB whoever ya'll can't fuck with Jay on the mic. Don't throw rocks at the throne bitch.

― s-1, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You're all 35-year-old white male accountants in Jersey City, aren't you?

― Ally, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

y'all need to peep OLU DARA ... Nas' FATHER. he does some ill southern folk/caribbean/bluesy stuff with guitar and the cornet. this proves that nas has musical genes. he is a poet, a musician. but, he ain't no gangsta. jay-z is a gangsta. 2pac will NEVER be the greatest lyricist ever. he is just one of the greatest rappers ever. there's a big difference. his shiy like "it's all about you" "changes" "i ain't mad atchya" "get around" "live and die in l.a." ... they don't showcase great lyricism. they showcase a great performer who can make ya feel what he feels. when there is a debate about lyrics, and rapstyles, how can you argue with biggie's "notorious thugs" or "the what" with methoman or "nasty boy" or "going back to cali" or "everyday struggle." and don't hate jay-z for giving props to the dead. battling and feuding is for the living. even dr. dre made peace with eazy-e. ain't no use to feud ... unless 2pac is still alive. jay-z understands that 2pac was great. he just didn't like him when he was alive. and if y'all are throwin in corny emcees into the mix like master p and nelly, how about busta rhymes. he's got ... many stylez, many stylez. the one joint with mystical is off the heebeez, and "the body rock" with puffy, mase and rampage, busta wrecked it. give props where props are due. commercial or not, jay-z is great. and, nans is a great poet. but, when it comes to KING OF NEW YORK, the title stays with HOVA. whoever talked smack about nas' "you owe me" with ginuine with also the "hate me now" track is right. nas tried to ride the train. lost his hop faithful. the illegitmate son of prince rakim has lost much of his ooomph. battle rhymes died out in the mid nineties anyway.

― A.Sol, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

H to the Izzo V to the Izzay what the fuck is that nigga tryin to say stupid azz jigga never pulled a trigga Nas is right / Jay-Z is a HOMO

― JayNova, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That last line didn't rhyme.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This is fa all ya niggaz out there that is feelin this shit that's goin on between jay-z and naz. It aint nuttin but a shitfest. jay hova's got skills but he need to stay away from battle rappin, especially wit nasty nas, that nigga will eat his ass like cornbread! Jay is definetly the hottest in the game right now but he need to stick wit what he know. HE aint know gangsta rappa JAy just keep it tight. ANd nasty need to come out of the shell he was in oochie, that's cool but he need to burn them hits like back in the day. ANy way I'm out niggaz. One

― jamal j., Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'm feelin' you A.Sol!! i just wanted to apologize to all for saying i give jigga 41/2 mics a few lines back. after listening to each cut a few more times, in my humble opinion it's a definate 5. he brought it all on this one. initially i gave him a 41/2 for biased reasons. but to give him anything less than 5, i'd truly be hatin'. this one's a classic. as for nas.., wasted talent is a sad thing. there is so much that he can potentially bring to this game. i don't know if the love is there anymore though. maybe the money and the fame had a little too much of an affect on him. right now i'm seeing nas as whitney houston....all the talent in the world, but what the fuck is going on?!!! or should i say mariah?

― DonWas, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

and another thing. i think for anyone to put down an entire coast is bullshit. although i don't agree that master p and nelly are on the top 10 lyricist list[:):)lol], there are several wicked lyricist from every coast and in between. but understand that opinions will differ. i'm feelin many artists from rawkus records but another nigga might not because you can't dance to it or it might not be gangsta enough. on the other hand i might not be feelin their music because they ain't talkin about shit or they're not teachin me anything. as long as you are being true to the music you're trying to put out and to yourself, i've got to respect!! oh, sorry for gettin off the subject. NAS VS JAY Z.........JIGGA BY UNANIMOUS DECISION. did i spell that right? decision....hmmm.

― DonWas, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vashon...."i'm about a dolla, what the fuck is 50 cents?" did u forget that line? jay is the man, he never fell off. where have u guys been for the last 5 years? as a matter of fact, u musta been at the same place nas has been at. u cant be the man with 2 hot songs an album. any song on any of jay's albums could be hit singles. u cant top that. hova is the king of hip-hop. nas aint even on the level to suck jay's nuts.

― Joe Maffei, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

On Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt Nas and Jay-Z were keeping it real, rapping what they knew, wallpaper, green chairs, fudge banana swirl. Then Jay-Z got snooty-tooty and no more green chairs for him, it's all the black lampshade of elegance. Flying porchmats and tendril-charming piddle. No, you're wrong, Jay-Z triumphs, it's not the black of death, it's the black of eyelashes! the black of whiskbrooms! the black of stereo components! And Nas isn't even green chair. He's green stool maybe. And that's no green, it's olive green, gangrene, anemia green. "Olive green" you say? It's martini green! The stemware blade of slit-you stillness, Nas is. He's a poet, a Rod McKuen. Nas? A Rod McKuen? He's a Washcloth McKuen. While Jay-Z is the McKuen Daddy, the laser-sharp flare of autumnular grace, the fire - no, no, wait! - the firefly night-style - no, wait, wait, STOP!

What the fuck is "autumnular grace"?

It's the automative shift-up rev-up into the smooth food crusher--

No. You're making that up. It doesn't MEAN ANYTHING.

Mean anything? MEAN anything? I come in talking two C's. That's still the price. I come because I thought I'd get a take it or leave it, one right gee to another. Now you're waving "meaning" at me. You oughta be ashamed of yourself.

OK. You're right. I'm sorry. So what you're saying is that Nas is the orgasm technicolor reflex, and Jay-Z is the long cool glide?

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

― Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

not sure i follow, but it sounds wicked. hhmmm.....not sure

― DonWas, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But jazz is hard to follow; I mean you actually have to like jazz to follow it; and my motto is, never follow anything. But my post follows your post, so I've just revealed myself as a hypocrite. If there's a moral here, it's that real isn't something to copy, it's something to create. And by the way, you did spell decision right.

― Frank Kogan, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

#1 To whoever said Pac ain't one of the best when it comes to lyrics, you r wrong. He had it from the start of his rap career to the end. PAIN--steady thuggin' in the streets/ and i'll be ballin' loc/ don't let'em make you worry/ keep swingin' at these suckas till you buried/ i was born to raise hell, a nigga from the gutta,/ with a motha on drugs/ i'm kickin dust up/ ready ta bust/ i'm on the scene/ steady muggin' mean /until they kill me/ i'll be livin this life/ i know you feel me. One of his last UNTIL THE END OF TIME--- Perhaps I was addicted to tha dark side/ Some where inside my childhood I missed my heart die / And even though we both came from tha same places /Tha money and tha fame made us all change places /Could it be through tha misery/ They can't get past?/ The hard times make a true friend afraid to ask/ for currency but you can run to me when you need it/.... It never stop, when my mama ask me will I change/ I tell her yeah but it's clear I'll always be tha same/.... Remain strong in this planet full of playa hataz/ They conversate but Death Row full of demonstrators/ And in tha end drinkin' henassy/ made all my enemies envy me/ So cold when I flow eliminatin' easily/ Fall to they knees, they plead for they right to breath / While beggin' me to keep tha peace haha/ What I can see closer to achieve/ In times of danger don't freeze time to be a G/ Follow my lead I supply everything you need/ An ounce of game and tha trainin' to make a G'/ Remember me? No disrespect but do your homework cuz. #2 Whoever wanted to bring Nelly, Luda, and Mystcal into the debate ...you r str8 up tripin. That's all I'll say on them; they don't even get half a bar from me. #3 Don Was, I agree with you to a point dogg, but why does one person have to stick to one style? How come Nas can't do some thug songs and then do some Puff songs too? I feel you on an artist being true, but why can't he try it all without being lable a seelout. I'm not sayin you said this, but we shouldn't pigion hold people. Besides it ain't one rapper that I can think of that has a CD with nothing but HARDCORE songs, I said it before, u gotta put out a few MTV songs. I know many disagree, but u can't have it both ways. Some are going by the sales. Okay, well the MTV songs sale. But if Nas keeps it all street then it won't sale as many and then peeps say "It only sold half a mil." And Jay has put out many less than hardcore songs why isn't he called out for that? Izzo, and Girls, Girls. I like em both but if y'all goin say Nas fell off with "Hate me now" remember it goes both ways. Holla. Qoolout of D.C. baby

― QS/ Qoolout, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

this battle is nice, like someone said before i hope it dosent turn violent, anyways as far as greatest lyricist, i got to give it to RAKIM...THE MASTER!

― pj, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-Z ate Nas ass up. Me and my boy just listened to that shit, and we LOVED when Kay called two of Nas' albums "doo!" That shit's hilarious! Second, Jay-Z will never be the King of NY. It's still Biggie - 5 years after his death. Jay-Z is the king of hip-pop, which is not necessarily a diss. I like Jay-Z a lot, but I recognize that 90% of his success is based on collabos (whoever's hot at the time) and production. Timbaland, Dr. Dre, DJ Premier, Swizz Beatz, the Neptunes, etc. all produce his songs. How can they NOT be hits? He's nice lyrically, but with such great production he doesn't have to really try. 2Pac is without a doubt the greatest rapper of all time. He ate the East Coast alive on Hit Em Up, then he ate them up (along with gay ass Dre) on Makaveli. As a rapper, 2Pac stands alone at the top. Biggie was a great lyricist, but his delivery was nowhere near Pac's. Nor Nas, Jay-Z, or Jada or anybody. The reason Pac is the best is because he can take any lyric and any beat and make it a hit. I mean if I wrote a song, and I had Big, Jay-Z, Pac, DMX, Eminem, Meth, Red, whoever perform what I wrote, Pac would make it sound the best. No one else can do that. Especially not monotone Jay-Z or snot in the throat Biggie. Eminem comes the closest to combining lyrics and delivery like Pac. Another thing, I'm from the South. Our lyrics may not be all that, but that South thrives on production and delivery or basically, making your head bob. If you ain't bankhead bouncin when you hear a song, then take that shit out the South. And if you notice, that's why nobody talks about king of the South because there's so many rappers with hits. Outkast, UGK, Three 6, 8ball, Timbaland, Master P, Ludacris, Jermaine Dupri, and all of the one hit wonders. The South is where it's at. So in closing 2Pac reigns, with BIG and Eminem following (don't hate on the white boy) and the South makes you bounce. We ain't worried about weak ass poetry with music. P.S. Mos Def, Black Thought, Common, PMonch, and all those earthy Erykah Badu's little sons bastards all sound the same - extremely dick in he bootie.

― Hillis 3000, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ally, more like 12 year old white males

― Ronan, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can someone give me the 411 on Jay-Z . Dont know nothing bout him.

― anthony, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What do you want to know?

― Ally, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree with everything Hillis 3000 said.

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Let me just re-iterate. Tupac did nothing for rap, where can you hear his influence now? Where? Nowhere because noone is willing to reproduce the sort of cheesey loungey, Mariah Carey without lyrics type beats he had and his pretentious bastard Rose from Concrete Makiveli bullshit. Was his voice anything particularly special? Hardly. Cemented the gangsta posturing??? Hardly ,it was well in place by the time his day came along. In case you didnt know Tupac is up with Aphex Twin on my hate list.

― Ronan, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like the quality of Biggie's voice more (small diff. w/H3K) and you have to hand it to him for creating his own scene. But 2Pac was more vulnerable than Biggie. You could hear it in his voice, that he was struggling. It takes guts to bare yourself like that on record. Somehow the way Biggie invested in his own myth didn't allow him to. Self-doubting rap = more to relate to (for this hed).

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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