one time i had this bartender, i gave her a 5 (the drink was 5) and i didn't wanna break my 20 so i was gonna tip her next round
she goes, "thanks - thanks a lot. for tipping me." like all sour and walks away. i was gonna slap her i swear. instead i gave her some lip.
no but honestly. drinks cost what like half the bottle would cost, and i'm supposed to give them MORE? it's not my job to subsidize theirs. and meals - 20 bucks for dinner and i'm supposed to lay down 4 dollars on top of it? that BLOWS
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Storefront Church (688), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap (chap), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap (chap), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link
i mean, i don't get tipped every time i help someone with their theater tickets at work, and i smile like hell!
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
haha. i'm sure i'd just WANt to tip the australian waiter
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link
As it is, you should tip if you feel the level of service was good. If not, fuck it. Seriously. Its one of the reasons that I try so hard to be a good bartender is that, by and large, if I put in the effort, people will pay me more.
If you completely disagree with tipping, however, you've never worked in the service industry in the US. Period. The feeling of earning a good tip is pretty damn satisfying.
― B.L.A.M. (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
to link but two of ten thousand ILX threads on tipping
― vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
there are certain jobs that because of how crappy they are, we have to pay taxes on them?
You think of tips as taxes?
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
i think of tips as a collective effort to improve the quality of life of service workers. they don't get paid enough, so the money has to come from somewhere else. MY POCKET. when all i wanna do is enjoy a few drinks after a long week without breaking the bank.
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 20 January 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Exactly. Wishing and complaining isn't going to change it.
I still want to know why you described tips as taxes. Are you a freeper?
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link
What's the protocol?
― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Saturday, 20 January 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― jimn (jimnaseum), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Surmounter (rra12...) (webmail), January 20th, 2007. (rra123)
just want to make sure the utter absurdity of this statement isn't lost. a few drinks after one week would call for a tip of around 3 bucks as minimally appropriate. that's all the dude would have to spend. 3 bucks a week. and he's complaining that this 3 bucks will "break the bank." seriously, man, examine what's going on with your life that lead to these circumstances. if 3 dollars is too much for you to afford, and you're still spending your money in bars, you need a therapist.
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― jimn (jimnaseum), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― jimn (jimnaseum), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link
i think the tipping, for me, is the straw that breaks the camel's back
it's like jesus, i have to pay 5 dollars for a 99 cent beer and then a dollar on top of it to kiss the bartender's ass who's trying too hard to be cool serving me my drink.
i like the tab actually. a lot.
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Sorry! I'm a Brit, oi don't belong 'ere m'lud. (I went to Yo Sushi today and didn't tip)
― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link
that's why i don't drink beer in bars (the price of the beer, not the dollar tip). i know it's silly because it's about the location and not the beer itself, but i'd rather at least order a drink with more ingredients than i have in the fridge at home.
― Maria (Maria), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link
i also hardly ever sit at the bar, which maybe i should try. get to know the bartenders a bit more. get a bit o' empathy goin on.
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link
drinks are pretty expensive and staff is reportedly better-paid upfront than in the usa. so no tipping, i was told. but: some places (mainly restaurants, it seems) add a 10% surcharge on holidays (which is fine, i guess), or sundays (which is less fine), or saturdays (which is ridiculous).
also, service wasn't particularly great, which may or may not have something to do with the lack of tipping. yet aussie bartenders/servers are all over clearing away yr empties--it's more a struggle to get more. weird.
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link
Based on a few months in Australia, I got the impression that they take their weekends rather more (i.e. less) seriously than in the UK or US. Some things even -- gasp! -- shut. The surcharge is related to the fact that restaurant probably pays its staff time-and-a-half or double time over the weekend.
Also, re: this thread and the many, many others. Why do people find tipping so confusing and infuriating? Americans and Brits drive on different sides of the road, and no one gets confused or infuriated by that. And NO ONE feels the need to defend their country's choice. It's merely a convention. Things be different in different parts of the world. Find out how tipping works, fit in (or don't), and forget about it.
― caek (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link
Buy a whole bottle, mix, serve, and drink it in your home. Or in the park or on the train, perhaps. Either way, then you won't have to put out the extra money for overhead like the edifice, cost of operations, and service.
it's not my job to subsidize theirs.
Yes, it is. Or more accurately, it is your obligation under this country's tipping system. Otherwise you are guilty of the offense of theft of services AND the more serious crime of aggrivated douchebaggery.
In other words (polyphonic's):
If you don't like tipping, don't drink in bars. Period.
― a puppy holding a miller high life bottle (unclejessjess), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― surmounter (rra123), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link
If only there could be a similar revolution against tipping.
― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link
US pints are smaller.
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
i think we should discuss every subject under the sun on this thread.
― vita susicivus (blueski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― S- (sgh), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― webber (webber), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 22 January 2007 05:21 (seventeen years ago) link
DV, you're joking? That will never work! Christ, most of the time we resent our bar staff charging us so much!
― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Monday, 22 January 2007 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link
This isn't really true. Either that or you and your Britishes kind have taken me to the wrong pubs, repeatedly. Or someone has taken you to bad ones in the US :(
― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― I'll give you tip (dirtyvicar), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
also our seconds are shorter and our year is only 251 days. also, a day takes 13 hours here.
― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost yes Laurel but if you can find me a bar that actually goes by standardized THIS IS A PINT IT IS 160Z and not THESE ARE THE GLASSES WE HAVE THEY ARE SLIGHTLY BIGGIE SIZED COS THEY CAME FROM IKEA I will fall dead of shock.
― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bhumibol Adulyadej is getting so thirsty (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
-- I'll give you tip (dirtyvica...), January 22nd, 2007 10:52 AM. (dirtyvicar) (later) (link)
Thanks! I certainly picked the most appropriate thread for it!
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― manifestation of the information age taken to the max (Brian Miller), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Assuming a felon can get another job and all.
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Don't die. A beer can come in any size -- there's a place on the LES that serves rounds of 11 10-milliliter shots of beer -- but if you go to a beer-centric bar they are aware of what a pint is. The first place I happened to check specifies 20-ounce pints on their menu (because they're Britishy) but I don't think being standard is that uncommon.
― Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― tony conrad schnitzler (sanskrit), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― marianna lcl (marianna lcl), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
there's something about the way you tell these stories that makes me side with your asshole customers over you.
maybe it's because i wouldn't feel like tipping someone with obvious anger issues particularly generously.
― lex pretend (lex pretend), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― UART variations (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 10:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― caek (caek), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― caek (caek), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link
maybe it's because i wouldn't feel like tipping someone with obvious anger issues particularly generously
I believe this is happening to me.
― o-ess, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link
still tippin' on four vogues wrapped in four vogues
― The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't like the implications in this thread that sitting at home drinking makes one a loser. That is something I do try to be considerate about: not going out to eat/going to bars/ordering in if I can't tip. (Tho sometimes I'll walk to the neighborhood restaurant and get to go without tipping. I think this is okay, altho I know when my sister worked Outback "to go" she got mad tippage, but I think this was because she was bending over to talk to men through their car windows to show off her grande tits. Well.)
I think , tho, it is well & good to generously tip pizza/food delivery people, esp. since gas costs so much and you are saving gas $$$. This is esp. nice if you don't have a car, or are drunk from thriftily drinking in your own home at a highly discounted rate, that they can bring this food to you and an extra $5 is not much. Now, if only Wing Stop had delivery people...
― Abbott, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link
lol rev
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I grew up thinking that tipping was real so I'm still kinda disbelieving that it's an urban legend.
― libcrypt, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link
thankfully it is real, it is how they explain our minimum wage. though luckily irish tax people aren't very good at making us cough up a declaration of cash earnings. they'ved nabbed our credit card ones though, so if in doubt, always do cash. unless you are all for the taxing which i'd understand. Really, I'm torn.
― o-ess, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Don't feel bad, Abbott, you are doing the right thing by only going out when tipping is in the budget.
― milo z, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't feel bad except, just now, I looked at the bank account on the online and apparently the bar did NOT add the tip I wrote down on my receipt for my credit car tab. !!!! Why would they not do that? The man getting tipped was the one working & ringing it up.
I wish they delivered groceries here...I would tip a good $10 at least.
― Abbott, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Background info: I went to a bar last night. My friend had never tried midori sours and I was like, 'wtf, you did go to college, right?' And now I have CORRUPTED her into liking the cheerleader drink, mwahaha.
― Abbott, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link
How are you feeling about tipping this week?
Tip Jar Conundrum
Should I tip for a free drink?
Tipping again, non food
My secret technique for not tipping bartenders and getting good service.
― remy bean, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link
You forgot:
tipping
― Abbott, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
by searching google for tipping trip, i just came up with a picture of my old cub scout troop
― remy bean, Monday, 21 January 2008 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link
webelos at the tittybar
― sanskrit, Monday, 21 January 2008 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm on it
― elan, Monday, 21 January 2008 01:04 (sixteen years ago) link
haha maybe not
― elan, Monday, 21 January 2008 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link
for me it's pretty simple - you tip because the waitstaff (here at least) get less than minimum wage, and if the 10 or so servers in rotation were each paid an extra $2 an hour to bring it into line, the price of the food you're eating would inevitably be more. so, tip because if other people didn't, you'd have to pay more anyways. other tippers are subsidizing your meal, in a way.
― negotiable, Monday, 21 January 2008 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlrnYoWW8IA
― El Tomboto, Monday, 21 January 2008 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
and this week in lake wobegone…
― remy bean, Monday, 21 January 2008 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link
those children are all above average
― El Tomboto, Monday, 21 January 2008 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2302/2191192881_f591c42671.jpg
― chaki, Saturday, 10 May 2008 01:15 (fifteen years ago) link
not NY, obv
― gabbneb, Saturday, 10 May 2008 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Classic Ramzi.
― libcrypt, Saturday, 10 May 2008 01:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Wait, a tipping thread w/no mention of Mr. Pink and double that it's Ramzi? Awesome opportunity missed.
― libcrypt, Saturday, 10 May 2008 01:42 (fifteen years ago) link
ok i would just like to point out: i was NEW, i didn't know how to sEARCH or whatever!
so, there ya go.
― Surmounter, Saturday, 10 May 2008 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not the search function or whatever rule thingie. It's that you are totally Mr. Pink!
― libcrypt, Saturday, 10 May 2008 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link
not that i know Mr. Pink, but i'll take it -- BUT, i'm black too. just sayin.
― Surmounter, Saturday, 10 May 2008 02:07 (fifteen years ago) link
i basically have to wrangle customers into giving me tips here in nz. eg. the other night i had this gruff old dude who told me not to bother telling him/friend the specials because he knew what he wanted and there was no way his friend would order any of them. so i bet him $20 i could convince his friend otherwise and i won. he came back in last night and we upped the stakes: i had to get all three of them to order specials. i won again.
in many ways, the more of a challenge it is, the more satisfying the tip.
(i should admit that i make well above minimum wage at my job, so tipping ethics aren't really the same for me)
― Rubyredd, Saturday, 10 May 2008 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link
you convincer you
― Surmounter, Saturday, 10 May 2008 05:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder if the situation in NZ will change anytime soon. Here in Wellington, bar staff don't seem to expect it. However, being a good Canadian by birth, raised on the 10-15% rule (before it went up), and a regular attender of bars, I always tip.
At a number of restaurants here, I see tip jars at the cashier, as it's often the case that you'll be served by more than one person and you often pay at the counter.
This might well be moot anyway. If you're paying by EFTPOS, for example, which seems to be more and more the norm, you're probably "tipping" your bank and cold hard cash or coin may never enter the equation.
― tvdisko, Saturday, 10 May 2008 05:03 (fifteen years ago) link
-- do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:37 AM (Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:37 AM) Bookmark Link
god i miss changeable user names!
― tehresa, Saturday, 10 May 2008 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link
QUESTION:
if you have no change for a good tip, is it better to tip £1 on a £22 bill or nothing at all?
― czn, Saturday, 10 May 2008 09:00 (fifteen years ago) link
I think nothing at all is better: it's like spitting in their faces if you give a pound.
My dad tipped 7 euros (on 88 euros) for takeaway. Which is very uncommon in Belgium. hah
― stevienixed, Saturday, 10 May 2008 11:49 (fifteen years ago) link
so i bet him $20 i could convince his friend otherwise and i won
lol genius.
Sometimes America's tip-happy culture strikes me as kind of gauche or unctuous or something. (I tip anyway.)
― wanko ergo sum, Saturday, 10 May 2008 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I kind of hate at a coffee shop when the jar says "starving college students fund" or something. "But I'M a starving college student." Which is why I'm buying coffee at a coffeeshop, of course.
― Abbott, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
this economy doesn't have time for your identity politics
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
No one has time for an Abbott anymore.
― Abbott, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Me and the railroads, waning in this world of euros...
― Abbott, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Why don't they tip (poorly paid) salespeople? I'm serious, why doesn't this happen????????????????
― stevienixed, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Salespeople aren't as poorly-paid as servers. They're guaranteed at least the minimum wage, where servers earn $2.35/hour. In the event that a server doesn't make enough in tips to reach the minimum wage for a shift, the restaurant is supposed to make up the difference (never heard of this actually happening, though, even on the occasion when a waiter had two tables for the entire night, etc.)
― milo z, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link
why not just make it mandatory to pay the minimum wage and let them raise the prices?
― darraghmac, Saturday, 10 May 2008 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link
You could do that, but to what end? Just so people wouldn't have to figure out how to divide by five in their head?
Servers would actually be getting $12-15+ an hour. You've just quintupled labor costs for the front of the house - and restaurants would have to make up the tip out that goes to hosts/bussers/bar staff as well.
Final cost to the patron is probably the same, it would help some waiters (bad ones, or unlucky ones) and hurt some good waiters (who make more by virtue of bigger sections, better tips). Kind of pointless to overhaul an entire industry for that.
― milo z, Saturday, 10 May 2008 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link
why is the industry different to begin with? these people are working at the bar/restaurant, so why aren't they paid like a normal employee?
and you're omitting that it would also charge everyone equally for the service costs, not just good tippers.
good waiters will still get tips, at least they do where i'm at (where service charges are usually included, and servers are subject to a reasonable minimum wage) and at least others would be getting a living wage fram a shitty job.
― darraghmac, Saturday, 10 May 2008 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link
^^good point. like i said, i actually get paid really well in comparison to the rest of the hospo industry in NZ, but i still get tips occasionally. during our busiest time of the year i probably make an average of NZ$3-5 p/hr in tips, but now that we're hitting winter it's about NZ$2 p/hr.
― Rubyredd, Saturday, 10 May 2008 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
xp - Tradition. Don't know what to tell you - I'm sure there are studies and studies on the History of Tipping In America. The history is irrelevant, though - what incentive is there to change the system drastically? What's the big deal?
I've never known a waiter (above the level of Denny's) who wasn't averaging a living wage. That's the draw of serving in the US - despite the stress and aggravation, it pays pretty well compared to jobs of its class.
― milo z, Sunday, 11 May 2008 00:14 (fifteen years ago) link
A good waiter at a nice restaurant can make a good living in most cities. Most of my waiter/bartender friends make way more than I do, and tax free at that!
― ian, Sunday, 11 May 2008 03:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I know a guy who tends bar 4 shifts a week and brings home $900 -$1000 each week... and the bar is beer/wine only! can you say E-Z!?
― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 11 May 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/07/oh_no_british_people.html
― mookieproof, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL
― gabbneb, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Comments are hilarious.
― jaymc, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder what this waiter has a degree in?
― jel --, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
neat gin? stout fella
― blueski, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
He should just stop being so passive aggressive.
― jel --, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Germans were always much worse than Britishes
― milo z, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Didn't expect to find myself writing the phrase "Tory even by Comment Is Free standards" today, but looks like I just did
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 28 July 2008 16:30 (fifteen years ago) link
hmmm
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12tipping-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
― Mr. Que, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Under the old system, waiters earned between $25 and $35 an hour, much of which was untaxed. “Now, waiters make about $25 an hour, which is fully taxed,” Boyd says.
Fuck a bunch of that.
― sad man in him room (milo z), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link
i had a horrendous experience at a bar a few weeks ago. don't think i posted about it -- basically, a bitchy bartender told me off for requesting her cheapest beer. she thought i wasn't gonna tip her, but the whole point was that i wanted a cheap drink so i could like, afford a tip. so after she refused to serve me at first, and gave me all the lip (it was awful), i refused to take the beer. then her friend asked me to leave and i said no, i'm here for a friend's birthday and that's stupid. then their guy friend came up and was like, uh, she was just a huge bitch to him, leave him alone. and he gave me a free beer. new york is fucked.
― Surmounter, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link
what bar was this at?
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
"The Edge."
― Surmounter, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
uh yeah if i were her manager i would have told her to go home and i would be calling her to tell her when her next shift was. i.e. never. that sucks.
milo that is pretty lame seeing as it's a huge reduction in salary but seriously - $25-$35 an hour UNTAXED for serving food is a little... weird. don't get me wrong, it's created some of the most decadent night life in the world, especially in big cities where you can make more money bartending til 4am than a bank manager does doing his 9-5.
it's created a crazy scene that i treasure. but if there really is $42 billion a year in tips, think of the lost tax revenue. there's no reason for anyone making that much an hour to evade paying taxes.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
(uh i mean there are PLENTY of reasons but you know what i mean)
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, $25-35 seems high. But if you figure in the cost of living in San Diego, I guess it's not that much more than what I averaged as a waiter ($16ish) from 2000-2003. (Unless they were getting their $8 wage on top of that, in which case... nice). It's a physically demanding, stressful job that pays pretty well.
re: taxes, every place I worked made you claim 10% of your cash gross (if they/you didn't that's when the IRS started getting snoopy, supposedly) and all of your credit card tips. Assuming an average night balanced out to 15%, and you tipped out 3.5%, credit cards being half your gross for the night - at worst you're underreporting ~5% of your income. (some nights more, some nights less, and most waiters are out some change rounding up on a bill - you don't want to drop a check presenter with a bunch of coins most of the time).
― sad man in him room (milo z), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Although the bar I help out at now (not a bartender, security/door/barback/what needs to be done) has some crazy-ass system where the bartenders claim a ridiculously small amount. So it may be a bigger issue in places like that.
― sad man in him room (milo z), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
"$25-$35 an hour UNTAXED for serving food is a little... weird"
Very few people pay no taxes on their tips as most restaurants won't risk the inevitable IRS audit. It's also worth noting that it's not in the restaurant's best interests to have servers declare their entire tip amount as the restaurant then has to pay payroll taxes on that as well. Most restaurants/servers have a set % that gets declared.
I have mixed feelings about the tipping system in the US. One the one hand I think it's a great boon to big cities where it helps allow young creative types and non-college grads to support themselves with a living wage in places. On the other hand, it doesn't lead to good service, it fosters a perception of service as a "non-serious" profession, and from a tax perspective it's pretty lame. The Chez Panis/Charlie Trotter/French model seems like a good one though (sort of a share the wealth approach. This dude model, I'm less keen on.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link
So... what about tip pooling then? Does that occur in the US at all or only in some Canadian restaurants? Cos it's kind of frustrating to think that even if you've received good service and leave an appropriate tip it's just going to be pooled and divided in the end anyway... kind of unfair on the servers who put in more time and work than others, y'know?
And really, it's a requirement by law in Canadian provinces that restaurant staff are all paid (a) minimum wage (um I think a couple have separate wages for servers/bartenders but it's not much less than normal minimum wage). Yes, in some cases that isn't very good, but it's pretty much on par with the rest of the service/retail sector... it's not like in the US where there's a massive gap between state minimum wage and the wages servers get... yet people still follow the same tipping custom... which might be even more frustrating because it seems so unnecessary compared to in the US.
― salsa shark, Friday, 10 October 2008 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link
It occurs at a lot of San Francisco restaurants, yes.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 10 October 2008 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Tips on Tipping (i.e., greasing palms)
1. Go. You’d be surprised what you can get just by showing up. 2. Dress appropriately. Your chances improve considerably if you look like you belong. 3. Don’t feel ashamed. They don’t. You shouldn’t. 4. Have the money ready. Prefolded, in thirds or fourths, with the amount showing. 5. Identify the person who’s in charge, even if you have to ask. 6. Isolate the person in charge. Ask to speak with that person, if necessary. 7. Look the person in the eye when you slip him the money. Don’t look at the money. 8. Be specific about what you want. “Do you have a better table?” “Can you speed up my wait?” A good fallback: “This is a really important night for me.” 9. Tip the maître d’ on the way out if he turned down the money but still gave you a table. 10. Ask for the maître d’s card as you’re leaving. You are now one of his best customers
― another regrettable cheesesteak (Jesse), Friday, 10 October 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
"I have mixed feelings about the tipping system in the US. One the one hand I think it's a great boon to big cities where it helps allow young creative types and non-college grads to support themselves with a living wage in places. On the other hand, it doesn't lead to good service, it fosters a perception of service as a "non-serious" profession, and from a tax perspective it's pretty lame."
BBBuuut - aren't you saying that the service is non-serious since the servers should all, in your humble opinion, be doing something else?
― gary (aimurchie), Saturday, 11 October 2008 02:23 (fifteen years ago) link
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seems short for a classic clusterfuck thread
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 11 October 2008 02:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Hoos- are you the voice of reason?
You're the tipping compass.
― gary (aimurchie), Saturday, 11 October 2008 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think that anyone outside of some very compassionate San Franciscans think that waiting tables is in any way a "profession", let alone serious. It's a job, and no insult intended to folks in food service, but nobody aspires to be a waiter.
― LATIN CAPITAL LETTER LJ (libcrypt), Saturday, 11 October 2008 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link
most people don't make their living doing things they aspired to when they are younger in my experience.
― ian, Saturday, 11 October 2008 04:38 (fifteen years ago) link
are younger, were younger
I'm not saying that something is a profession if and only if everyone who does it wanted to do it since they were young(er).
― LATIN CAPITAL LETTER LJ (libcrypt), Saturday, 11 October 2008 04:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I have seen a lot of older, very nice waitresses in my day. But you're right I think a lot of people move through it when they're younger into other professions, eventually.
― Dracula Tells Superman What To Do (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 11 October 2008 05:07 (fifteen years ago) link
This was certainly true in the college town I grew up in.
― Dracula Tells Superman What To Do (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 11 October 2008 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link
"BBBuuut - aren't you saying that the service is non-serious since the servers should all, in your humble opinion, be doing something else?"
No.
― Alex in SF, Saturday, 11 October 2008 05:16 (fifteen years ago) link
If everyone did what they should be doing for a living, then taking a shit would be a life-threatening experience.
― LATIN CAPITAL LETTER LJ (libcrypt), Saturday, 11 October 2008 05:27 (fifteen years ago) link
that doesn't even make sense!!
― ian, Saturday, 11 October 2008 06:12 (fifteen years ago) link
lol at "some very compassionate San Franciscans"
― caek, Saturday, 11 October 2008 06:32 (fifteen years ago) link
What kind of yardstick should I use to tip the doormen in my rent-stabilized apt building for the holidays?
There are 4: daytime guy, evening guy, weekend guy, overnight guy. The first 3 hold mail/UPS packages etc at the desk for me, the fourth buzzes me in late on Sat nights. I wanna be fair w/out causing myself pain (and I'm getting socked with unavoidable spending).
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 15 December 2008 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Reading the last thread revival, wow, I need to get a job as a waitress. Not that anyone will hire me, because I have no food service experience, but I make between minimum wage and $2 above minimum wage at multiple jobs. I could use some tips.
― Maria, Monday, 15 December 2008 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
makes me glad i don't have doormen to tip, though. i have no idea what you should tip. the ny times has a comments discussion on that right now, though i don't know if it'll help you!
― Maria, Monday, 15 December 2008 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
given my ceiling is prob $40, I wd bet not.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 15 December 2008 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah probably. usually i can tell when their "big new trend" articles are about rich people, but since i've never lived in ny i had to ask my roommate who grew up there how common it is to have a doormen.
― Maria, Monday, 15 December 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
until I got this place, I didn't think rentals -- let alone rent-stab'd ones -- would!
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 15 December 2008 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
have so much respect for americans' mental arithmetic prowess - still can't get used to having to do sums when eg drunk, as now, and my tipping method is literally to tip whatever random number under 10 comes into my head
― lex pretend, Saturday, 23 May 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I feel so much better about tipping now that I realize that I never want to go to a restaurant again!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 23 May 2009 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link
my friend texted me and asked if he should tip a livery driver. I said yes just because i didn't want to admit i didn't know what a livery driver was
― μ-Fish (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 23 May 2009 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link
oh man, memmories of many misadventures in nyc gypsy cabs flooding back. tipping them is a must unless they try to rip you off.
― velko, Saturday, 23 May 2009 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link
lool
also lol @ surmounter up there
― man see united (k3vin k.), Saturday, 23 May 2009 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Trying to find info on if/how much you tip the Peapod delivery dude; there is no consensus online. Does 10 percent of the order cost seem reasonable?
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 4 June 2009 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link
yes
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link
oh man this is why i would never order groceries. i eat beans and rice at home because it's cheap, coming up with the $60 minimum order PLUS delivery fee PLUS tip is going to have to wait until comfortable, lazy middle age.
― Maria, Thursday, 4 June 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I would like to know a) where you are living and b) how many people you are feeding with groceries that cost less than $60.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 4 June 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
lex after a long, drunk meal i have no idea how to figure out splitting up between eight people + tip either, especially when one person's all "well i just had two vegetarian starters and only one drink so i don't think i should have to pay as much"
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
that person usually gets punched
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't tip less than 15% on anything unless the next increment is way higher, but i don't know what customs are like in the second city (and deliver my own groceries)
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i only punch that person if it makes the math easier.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
there is a calculator on every cell phone. if you don't want to look like a nerd, go to the john and figure it out. i don't have a problem looking like a nerd i guess.
― Swat Valley High (goole), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link
me eitha
― Surmounter, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
xps - yea whenever i dine out w/ a big group i pretty much accept that i'm somehow gonna be paying a lot more than i should. somehow it always happens but it's kind of shitty to whine about it
― mark cl, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
ha dan otm
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
It totally makes the math easier because the punched person is too busy going "OOOOOOOOOOW" to notice that you've dumped the entire tip on their credit card.
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I have noticed some 12% 15% 20% handy calculations appear on the bottom of some restaurant bills recently.
― Prince of Persia (Ed), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
honestly, I don't get how ppl have difficulty calculating 15%
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
guys if u cant figure out 15 or 20% in less than a second you shouldnt be allowed to buy ur own food
ha xp
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
move a decimal point, add or divide by 2, add if appropriate
IT REALLY IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, EVEN AFTER YOU HAVE DRUNK ALL THE BEERS
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
15% is really hard. i have to calculate 10% then halve it then remember to add the two together then check i've actually got the relevant change and then aargh
― lex pretend, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
of course in ranty-type "add" really means "multiply"
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
and all you need to do to calculate 10% is move a decimal!
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
yes but WHICH WAY, is what my brain thinks when it's drunk
― lex pretend, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
10% is really easy but 15% would take me a while if drunk.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Bill is $153.57, 10% is $15.36 OMG FEAR MY MATH SKILLZ
wait half that is $7.68 add them together = $23 tip HOLY SHIT, A GENIUS
xp: hahaha okay lex, I do actually have some sympathy for that but really, if your tip ends up being larger than the bill it's a good bet that you've done it wrong
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
lex, louis is your only rival in the ability to blithely make posts that make yourself look bad
― resistance is feudal (WmC), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
― lex pretend, Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:27 PM (2 minutes ago)
hahahaah lex i wanna go out with you and convince you to tip six hundred dollars on a $60 bill
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
if 60 was 960
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
huh
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
― resistance is feudal (WmC), Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:30 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
... some people aren't good at math, it's not really that weird
― Surmounter, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not just talking about this thread.
― resistance is feudal (WmC), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
oh. i love lex. that's all.
― Surmounter, Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
tipping hundreds of dollars on a bill that only goes into the tens is kind of hilarious, I sort of wish that would happen more often
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I think I accidentally lost a $100 bill (tucked between two ones) last year in SF when I put down a tip at Mel's Diner.
― resistance is feudal (WmC), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
That's not nearly as good as "well, the bill is $20, so the tip should be $300"
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Nice of you to say...it felt really stupid at the time, plus I was sober.
― resistance is feudal (WmC), Thursday, 4 June 2009 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm MORONIC at math and I can move a decimal. I might have to pause and ask people to stop talking to me for 5 seconds, but it's perfectly do-able.
― But not someone who should be dead anyway (Laurel), Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link
i just about always tip 20%, makes the math easier. plus i tend not to spend more than $20-$50 at a restaurant anyways so it's not like it's all that much more money
― mark cl, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Yow, Hi Dere eats out at some ritzy places.
ANother thing is that my eating habits are pretty routine. If I drink and eat $27.45 worth of beer and pizza at a particular restaurant, it's probably going to be close to that number when I eat there again. So just remember what you paid last time.
― ···◊··· (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
(I do often eat at places that are too expensive, but I also tend to go out in groups of 4-5 so it sometimes balances out.)
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Wait I thought that it was universally accepted that 20% on restaurant meals is the current standard? Lots of ppl are still doing 15%? Really?
― quincie, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
oh god I just waded into a tipping thread--wtf is wrong with me?
― quincie, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
15% vs 20% is one of the regular fights I have with my wife
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i always do 20
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
unless the waiter vomits in my lap
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
You have to pay extra for vomit.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
right, if there's vomit involved i do at least 30
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
i like 17.5%
― Surmounter, Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^ this def starts wandering into "fuck it, too much work" territory
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link
17.5 seems a little low for vomit
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh i usually just do a little math + eyeball it
― Surmounter, Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a tip not an AP test
I aim for the high side of 15-20% that is compatible with the denominations of bills I have in my wallet. I try to avoid tipping on the card at all costs but it will be 20% if I do that.
― Prince of Persia (Ed), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I wonder if ppl would do better or worse on AP tests if they had a tipping component
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link
20 percent is so easily to calculate and as someone upthread already said the difference between 15-17 etc is not that great
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
17.5 is much harder to calculate
I normally aim for 20 but I round up/down based on good/bad service
places I go frequently I'll tip heavier
― roman knockwell (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
17.5 has a definite method (move decimal, divide by half, divide by half again, add them all together) but fuck that last division and adding 3 numbers when you've had all of the beers.
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
17.5 is so hard, i mean you have to figure out 15 and figure out 20 and then figure out what's roughly in the middle, who has that kind of time.
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
well except for that if you've already done 15 or 20, GUESS WHAT YOU ARE DONE AND CAN LEAVE
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean, it was kind of a joke
― Surmounter, Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
TIPPING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
also i always carry a pen with me so multiplication on the run for me is like no big deal
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 4 June 2009 16:01 (Yesterday)
Near Boston, food's expensive in my neighborhood (there are buses to cheaper places, but that really makes shopping trips longer and less convenient), and I have four roommates. We share groceries, but I do something like half the shopping for the five of us and spend $50-60 a week. As long as you don't mind vegetarian meals involving lots of pasta, beans, and rice, and just shell out on some fruits and vegetables, it's quite possible.
17.5 is actually kind of difficult, why not just be satisfied with any number slightly closer to 20 than 15? Not like the difference between 17 and 18 is going to be subject to serious analysis from the server.
― Maria, Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link
(ps beer & wine are not included in the $50-60, but this is ma and you can't sell those in grocery stores ANYWAY.)
― Maria, Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Britisher sales tax was 17.5% for many years; unlike in the US places I've been it's already included in the prices you see in the shops, so you never had to work out out for real, but "add tax at 17.5% to this" was a standard part of the teacher-reads-out-questions don't-show-workings maths tests that were part of our exams at 16, and even when sober it was kind of annoying to have 45 seconds to work it out without writing stuff down.
These US-dominated tipping threads make me nervous. Like, I think 10-15% is acceptable UK-side and 20% would be reserved for the best meal of your life, but maybe I'm just really mean and restaurant staff hate me?
― a passing spacecadet, Friday, 5 June 2009 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Tipping is 20 per cent in America because of various employment practices and systems of business taxation. Servers are paid a very low 'basic' to prove they're in the building for those hours and then they are taxed at 8pc of their table takings. So you give them 20pc of the bill.
British restaurants OTOH have been inching up 'service' percentages for years (nicer places obv) but it has nothing to do with the mechanics of staff taxes as in the US. Your 10-15pc is actually spot on, stop worrying.
― 502 Bad Gateway (suzy), Friday, 5 June 2009 09:55 (fourteen years ago) link
http://jesustips.org
― latebloomer, Sunday, 13 September 2009 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Our Tip Tract is not an alternative to giving money or an excuse for Christians to be miserly.
In fact, it's printed on an envelope that is just the right size to hold dollar bills, and we encourage you to be generous with what you put inside! The point here is that, in addition to giving money, we can leave something that is of much more value - a list of simple tips that point a person to true salvation in Jesus Christ.
Leaving money without any reference to Jesus is a wasted opportunity. But leaving a tract without any money is just plain stingy.
― latebloomer, Sunday, 13 September 2009 05:38 (fourteen years ago) link
much amusing tipping blah here http://www.anglotopia.net/british-identity/humor/15-way-to-not-look-and-act-like-an-idiot-american-in-britain/
― Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Thursday, 8 October 2009 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
is it ok to tip with a $1 coin in a bar?
― caek, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yes except in philadelphia and parts of the northwest
― max, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i just put it in the register and put a paper dollar in my jar. my boss doesn't bitch at me about it. yet.
in new orleans of course one can get drinks to go. this leads to all the neighborhood heroin dealers stopping by to get long island iced teas in 16oz go cups, which cost $6 at my bar. i've managed to shame a couple of them into tipping--mostly by pointing out the huge wad of cash they pull out and give me exact change from--but others are resistant. i figure this costs me $10 per shift. that's two packs of cigarettes. my coworker just charges them $7 and pockets the extra buck but she is a cute girl and i am not. the point of all this is that it's really fucking annoying. also: old men who tip a dollar every like five drinks and make a big show of it. fuck them too.
― adam, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
How much do you tip a cab driver?
― girl moves (Abbott), Monday, 4 January 2010 05:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Failed to tip some delivery people this weekend as they actually arrived near the start of the promised 4-hour timeslot (every previous delivery has happened, oh, 3 hours after the end of it) and by the time I thought "uhh... must find purse" they were already out the door. Sorry delivery guys.
― brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Honestly, I've never tipped a non-food delivery driver in the UK and can't imagine anyone doing this here. Movers are a different story.
― sacher torte reform (suzy), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, that's good to know. Previous deliveries which were v. late were a) the movers (remembered to tip them) and b) when I was out so I've no idea what they got, if anything.
They certainly weren't hanging around looking like they expected a tip, or they'd have got one. Straight out of the door as soon as paperwork was signed.
― brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Back when I bought a bunch of appliances (fridge/freezer etc) the delivery guys made a great show of moaning about how heavy said appliances were and I was all 'you deliver for Argos, at what point did you think there wasn't going to be any heavy lifting, and when did you wise up?' in other words OH BOO HOO, GRAB A TISSUE.
― sacher torte reform (suzy), Monday, 4 January 2010 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link
ok, here's something weird i'm noticing that i'm hoping someone can shed light on:
i've had at least 3 times at 3 different places in the last few months where i've paid a tab and left a tip on my debit card. (i know servers prefer cash tips and i do it when i have the convenient cash, but that's not always the case.) but anyway, in these instances, when i check my bank account a few days later, all i see charged is the amount of the tab, not the tip. at first i thought it might have to do with a lag time -- they initially authorize the amount of the tab and have to enter the tip separately -- but i just checked the one from about 3 weeks ago, and the tip never shows up on my account at all. it was a good tip too! i tried to work out if there are some kind of shenanigans involved, something worked out between staff and management where they accept a smaller tip in cash so they don't have to pay it, but the bottom line is still that i'm not getting charged for any tip at all, so i don't understand how anyone can make money off it.
and if it had only happened once, i would think it was just a screwup by someone forgetting to enter the tip. but 3 times at 3 places seems more like a pattern. any ideas?
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 18 January 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean "a smaller tip in cash so they don't have to pay taxes on it"...
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 18 January 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
oops, i take it back. i see that one of them does now have the full amount charged. so maybe on two of them (including the most recent, which is still showing just the tab) it was just the lag-time, and on the other one it really was just a mistake.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 18 January 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=132000908466&ref=nf
1 Million Servers Strong Against Oprah's Comments
Oprah Winfrey has recently stated on her TV show that it is acceptable to tip servers 10% in our current economy. This group is being put together to show Oprah that her comments have a crippling affect on servers all over the world. There are so many fanatical people out there that take Oprah's word at face value and will now believe it is acceptable to tip servers only 10%. She gave this "money saving tip" on her tv show as a way to tell her audience how to enjoy a night out while cutting back costs in our current economy. Oprah obviously does not realize that servers rely on their tips and only make 2-4 dollars an hour BEFORE taxes. If Oprah wanted to give her audience some tips on how to save money when eating out she should have told them to have only one drink with dinner instead of two, or cut back on appetizers and desserts, or check the paper for coupons. Oprah needs to realize that the majority of servers are people that are trying to put themselves through college or have a family and kids that also rely on tips as 90% of their income. To sum everything up, the purpose of this group is to unite servers all across the country and try to show Oprah that she is wrong in using her platform to tell people that 10% tips are acceptable regardless of service. Oprah needs to go back to her studio and tell people better ways to save money that is not directly taking money out of peoples pockets and food off of their tables. Thank you for joining this group and please, please tell every server you know about this group and urge them to join!
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:55 (fourteen years ago) link
god oprah is a shithead
― harbl, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Hoax.
― lindseykai, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago) link
ok but i still hate oprah!
― harbl, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago) link
That's cool.
― lindseykai, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 05:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I went out for dinner in Lisbon on Saturday with some Portuguese people. When I asked whether it was the norm to tip in their city, they fell around laughing.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link
because it is or it isn't, though?
― ice cool HOOSicle (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I got the impression that they reckon that tipping is something stupid tourists do.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
If you go to somewhere casual to eat, semi-regularly, and one time you have really bitchy service, is it ok to 'retaliate' by leaving a small tip or none? Or just rise above it and pay for having the server make you feel like crap, just because you don't want even bitchier service next time?
― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
just don't go back (for a while)
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
give a regular tip because unless u are richie rich eating at fancytown its an extra couple bucks and probably your server is just having a bad day and if she/he is always a bitch than she/he will eventually get fired
― max, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link
not necessarily, i remember hearing a "this american life" story a while ago where they tested this and found that the same waitresses got better tips when they were bitchy, i guess because people wanted to be liked or something.
in the situation of outright bitchy service i would probably leave a smaller tip than usual but would not leave none.
― Maria, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
And really, it's a requirement by law in Canadian provinces that restaurant staff are all paid (a) minimum wage (um I think a couple have separate wages for servers/bartenders but it's not much less than normal minimum wage). Yes, in some cases that isn't very good, but it's pretty much on par with the rest of the service/retail sector... it's not like in the US where there's a massive gap between state minimum wage and the wages servers get... yet people still follow the same tipping custom... which might be even more frustrating because it seems so unnecessary compared to in the US
^^
Seriously, I completely understand the reasons why one should leave a standard 15-20% tip in the US. Since coming back to Canada, though, it seems odd to me that I should pay the same tip during an economic crisis in a province where waiters and waitresses make these wages and have free health care. (The cost of living outside Toronto is not that much higher that this seems justified to me.) I'm willing to pay all the taxes in the world but I don't understand why we need to tip so highly for average or below-average service. All this said, I tip generously and will continue to do so until the social norms change.
― Sundar, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
(While the cost of living is not that much higher, the cost of alcohol certainly is, which exacerbates the frustration.)
― Sundar, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
not to stoke old fires but why is british tip 10% and american tip closer to 20?
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't even know you tip at all in the UK, TBH. What is a server's wage in the UK?
― Sundar, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
you'll get about £5 an hour at the very least, often more, sometimes quite a lot more if it's a posh joint
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
and we are not the sort of disgusting savages who don't tip. except we don't tip barmen or coffee vendors, that's dumb
;)
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Been stuff in the news lately that even if you do tip in the UK it probably won't go to the server anyway, they're trying to change the law to stop that tho.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, that should answer your question. After the exchange rate (and health insurance), consider the difference: http://www.humanresourceblog.com/2009/03/24/server-minimum-wage-in-new-york-for-2009/
Barmen = liquor servers?
― Sundar, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, people who hand out drinks, behind a bar :P
also wow that's a low minimum wage
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, in the most expensive city in the country. Wake up, this is the basis of every ILX tipping argument EVER.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
If the employee does not earn enough tips to average $7.15 per hour, the employer must pay the difference.
Would be shocked if any employer actually paid the difference, btw. Can anyone confirm/deny?
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
British system is fairer IMO, and besides you often get Brits who give 20% anyway for the hell of it.
― your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link
so what are tips for? I thought they were a way of rewarding good service.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link
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― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh dear, have I just triggered the recurring ILX tipping war?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
theyre a stupid way of making sure that servers get paid at least a minimum wage
― max, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
10% in the UK is fair enough I think (more for great service), as eating out can be a lot more expensive. I never used to tip in the jar at the counter when getting a coffee or whatever though, only table service. How expected is this in the US?
Here in the US, eating out is generally a fair bit cheaper so 15-20% doesn't work out so expensive. Also the service is generally a lot better - people give you glasses of water without having to ask! They bring the bill quickly! That said, in the UK I've never experienced bitchy service - if it's not up to scratch it's usually just incompetence or gormlessness....
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't tip for coffee and you shouldn't. if i ordered a fancy coffee drink or sandwich maybe.
― harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Also I've read a few accounts of (American) servers who just assume Brits won't tip. So I'm still feeling a bit like I need to tip on the higher end just to over-compensate. But then if you get crappy service it rankles a bit, either pay through the nose or reinforce their 'tight Brits' assumptions!
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Britishes were never unreasonable about service/tipping. Germans and the French, OTOH, fucking sucked.
Also, civil servants.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Right on.
In the USA, do you reckon the per centage you have to tip has gone up over the years? I have the impression that in days of yore it was c. 10%, but it has now crept up to c. 20%.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, it has gone up from 10% for good/15% great to 15%/20%, just in the last couple of decades. I'm guessing this has to do with the preponderance of chain restaurants paying a shitty wage but not having a high volume for servers to depend on (and forcing servers to tip out other employees to cut labor costs as well).
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I have some 70s-tastic Berlitz guide to deciphering menus round the world which also mentions US and UK differences and tipping etiquette worldwide and it says US tips 10-15%, so I thought "oh that is like Britisherland 10%-and-round-up, no problem", but subsequent years of ILXing have made me realise I was a v. mean tipper when in the States
sorry Californian wait staff, April/May 1999 :(
― canna kirk (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link
in the situation of outright bitchy service i would probably leave a smaller tip than usual but would not leave none
boggling my mind a little
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i just want to pop in and say that i now make it regular practice to tip extra big on the first drink, for good luck
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
wait what, you americans tip bar staff?!!1!?
― free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
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$2 on the first beer always!
― max, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
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is this a joke??
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
What about soft drinks? Serious cos I am trying to cut down my alcohol intake..
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
if yr bartender is charging you for a soda you should go to a different bar
― max, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
If you're not drinking booze at all, a bartender should charge you for a soda. Plus, at some bars, they get that money.
in the situation of outright bitchy service i would probably leave a smaller tip than usual but would not leave noneboggling my mind a little
In the states, leaving no tip at all is basically taking money from the server. If a clerk at the grocery store is rude, should you be able to take a dollar or two from their wallet?
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm good idea
― harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
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i work in the service industry, and it's really not that hard to not be a bitch. if i treated people like shit, even once, i wouldn't expect to get tipped.
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
otm
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Depends on your definition of bitchy. Some people think it's bitchy if the bread takes a little while to get to the table.
If the server yells at me or throws a drink in my face, sure, no tip. But anything short of having the meal completely and utterly ruined, you still have to tip.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
mhmm, i don't think i've ever not tipped at a restaurant.
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link
say what you want but In the states, leaving no tip at all is basically taking money from the server is mind-boggling
― conrad, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
well, this idea necessitates an implicit understanding of the industry payscale on behalf of the customer, which isn't always the case, obviously
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
PS it's a slow workday today
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
some people are embarrassingly bitchy about food service; i am not one of them. i don't recall ever failing to tip on food. but i certainly reserve the right to not tip if the server is an asshole.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
It's the way they figure out how much to tax those tips (yes, they have to be declared) that makes the proposition of 'stealing from the server' accurate. In the US, servers are responsible for declaring their table takings - their employer is then required to pass that on to the tax man, and as the figure they estimate as the server's taxable income is 10 per cent of the house's takings.
― keyser (suzy), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
It's not just taxes - everyone lies about their tipped income, anyway - it's that at your average restaurant, the server is tipping out the hostesses and busboys on gross sales and the service bar on liquor sales. This accounts for 2-5% of their tips for the evening, and cannot be avoided.
So even aside from taking up time and a table, and whatever they might pay in taxes, they're paying out a percentage of your meal's cost for the privilege of waiting on you.
Short of having a meal completely ruined (in which case it should be comped anyway), it's never acceptable to not tip on a meal.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
my last waiting job i flirted w/ middleaged women and got crazy tips, i wld b a good gigolo i think
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm surprised more places don't include a gratuity on the bill, in that case (I mean, if it's so definitely expected that you tip a certain amount, and people's accounts depend on it). They often do if it's a party of 6 or more, but occasionally I've seen it (in the US) for smaller parties. Would this be considered too cheeky by the public? I didn't mind when I saw it on the bill, as it was on the conservative side, and you can always leave extra cash on the table if you want.
I think in the UK (correct me if this seems wrong) a tip is seen more as an optional extra which is impolite not to do.
TBH I hate the whole thing, I'm one of those people who likes to know what a thing costs and just pay it, rather than have the tip I leave be considered as some kind of judgment of performance by me, the mighty customer.
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
haha but what if, like me, you frequent fine establishments where your beers are $2.50?
also, for restaurant tipping, i'm confused about the symbolism of different tip percentages...i grew up being told 15% was standard, 10% was for subpar service, and 20% was for great service, but lately i've been hearing all of these numbers increased by 5-10%. honestly being paranoid about this influences me to order cheaper food so i can still spend the dollar amount i'd planned while not worrying about stiffing someone percentage-wise.
― Maria, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i always always always do 20%
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
even if your bill is 75 bucks, that would make your tip 15 if you do 20%. if you do 15%, it's 11.25. is it really worth that extra 3.75 to not tip 20%?
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i do 20% automatically regardless of quality of service as a silent protest against the stupid system
― max, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
er, not 2-5% of their tips, 2-5% of their gross sales. So if it's a $1000 Friday night, they're tipping out ~$20-50 altogether and hopefully walking with at least a bill.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I was in a couple of places on holiday recently where they added 18% onto the bill. Dunno if this is standard, or whether in touristville FL they just figure the place is hoaching with dumb britishes who don't tip right. We tipped around 20% everywhere else we ate, and stayed out of pubs except one place where we just left five dollars on the bar after a couple of beers and then ran away in case they thought we were cheap because we didn't have a clue.
― ailsa, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
also maria i think you should still tip $2 for the first beer and $1 for each beer afterwards and if the booze is that cheap you should get buybacks every couple beers!
― max, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I tip 20% as a minimum, but more than that if I'm alone. Even 20% on a single person isn't much for taking up a table.
Like, if I go to Waffle House alone and my bill is $7 and change, I leave the rest of a $10.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
some places add 18% automatically if its a big group
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:39 PM (48 seconds ago)
you could just add percent every time if ur in the uk and then u can 4get abt being all worried. if ur bill is 40 pay 44. tadaa!
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Laurel:
I can't speak to New York, having never lived there, but everywhere else I lived and worked as a server/advocated for restaurant employees in some capacity, the employers generally do not pay the difference unless called out on it. However, a savvy and brave server, perhaps with help from his or her friends, can file a complaint with the state department of labor and get back pay, as well as putting the restaurant on notice that minimum wage law violations are not okay.
Basically restaurants rarely do this, but they are violating state and federal law every time they do so.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Please modify that sentence with "US" as applicable. Sorry for being so USA-centric.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
The automatic 18% add-on we got was just for 2 of us, btw.
― ailsa, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Ailsa, maybe they get a lot of people who aren't invested in the area/won't be coming back/are tourists who find it easy to be rude or drunk or just don't know, so they added the automatic gratuity.
There's a bistro-ish place near my house where they do the same...I think it comes from when it was a more depressed neighborhood and maybe people would stretch their dollars by eating out w/o tipping and think it was okay? Or be shirty about it. So they just made the tip mandatory. I'm fine with it, but then my service has always been v reasonable there.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
My sister has been a waitress for six years, and she has this hypothesis that she gets better tips if she invisibly makes her customers feel "kind of stupid" about the rules of the restaurant. She says if they eventually have to ask questions about where to pay or something like that, they give her a bigger tip. She thinks this is because they feel they have embarrassed themselves and leave cash to compensate & improve their image. She works at like the only $$$fancy$$$ restaurant in pop 50k Bumfuck, Idaho, so I think that's how she gets away with this.
― sedentary lacrimation (Abbott), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, we didn't mind at all because we'd have left it anyway, but I guess a few folk who don't know maybe wouldn't? (xpost to Laurel) A few places we went had signs up explaining what different percentages should be given depending on levels of service but thanks to a zillion ILX threads, I was well ahead of the game on that front.
Staff at Walt Disney World aren't allowed to accept tips! We tried to leave a tip, and had it handed back to us!
― ailsa, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
abbott this is definitely a thing in my exp
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
no no, my point is that i'm more likely to try to order a cheaper meal in the first place, not reduce the tip on what i already ordered. and if you have, say, $20, whether a tip is going to be 15% or 25% or somewhere in between actually makes a difference as to whether you order a $12 or $15 meal, or whether you just have water or a soda (and if you're in a group, the other people are going to forget to calculate tax and you're going to have to throw in a couple bucks to help with their tips ANYWAY, so you have to order a little lower than you plan to spend regardless).
so yes, please add my tip to the bill and save me the hassle of figuring it out.
i do not tip $2 on a $2.50 beer though, i think that's a little ridiculous, and i usually only drink 1-3 anyway.
― Maria, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
btw a beer in ireland is gonna set u back closer t $6 for nothin fancy
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
$1/beer (even the first) is perfectly acceptable, unless you're wanting to get in good with the bartender for some reason.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
$2 on your first mixed drink can be nice if you're trying to work a better pour on the next round, kind of thing
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
one time i gave the guy $2 to start off with, and he was so nice to me that i kept wanting to order drinks. well, it got to be 2am and i was just about to leave when he was like "want anything else before we close up?" and i was like "sure! why not! 1 shot of jager please." and then i downed it and left
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
yep, all u bartenders got me where u want me as long as u smile a little bit ;)
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm sure this point must have been covered before in one of ILX's tipping clusterfucks, but wouldn't it be better for America to just put its prices up and pay their employees a decent minimum wage to do away with compulsory tips?
― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
(obviously I am aware this would be hard to implement)
― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i tip $1/beer always, none of this $2 stuff i am not here to make friendsi think if states made it so waitstaff got paid minimum wage it might kinda suck for them because people would routinely not tip and they would make a lot less
― harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
like i kinda think of it as the reverse. they say "tip because they don't get paid much" but really it's we can pay them less because we know they'll make it up in tips.
― harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
well, chicken/egg
Our tipping system works out okay for servers, for the most part. Generally they make at least a 'living wage' (~$12/hour) and often more - you're unlikely to scrap the tipping system and get restaurants to pay that well even if prices go up.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
You are reasoning with a country that invented the ".99" price tag. Tricking the eye into seeing a smaller price is a big sales maneuver. This is why tax and tip are not figured into the listed price. To go against this now would be to go against existing, from a business stnadpoint.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry if someone has already covered this, but :
leaving no tip at all is basically taking money from the server
has in no way unboggled my mind- I see suzy kinda goes in to how the authorities/owners or someone gets to estimate an extra 10% as tips earned, but you're not taking that away from them, they just didn't earn it.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm irish and i'll usually tip anywhere from 10% for decent service and up to 20% for good service. in ireland, with restaurant prices the way they are, that's not ungenerous i think.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:14 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark
since i moved in the summer it's been nice becoming a regular at like, three local eating/drinking establishments. now i enjoy the benefits of heavy-handed whiskey pours, free bbq, free beer while i wait for my burger, and free deserts and appetizers. this is all because i am a good tipper imo.
― Joint Custody (ian), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link
<3 the business of being a regular rules
― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Your bill is $100.Your server pays out a mandatory $2-5 at the end of the night to other staff.Your server has to pay taxes on a presumed $10 tip (which is mostly irrelevant).If you tip $0, you have cost the server $2-5 in actual hard cash, in addition to the loss of a table for the duration of your visit.You are, quite literally, "taking that away from them."
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I rarely drink anywhere that I'm not a regular or friends with the staff. So I basically tip 100% and come out even with what my tab would have been anyway.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
wait the server pays who in the what to where now? to backroom staff and the like? that's nonsense. they should get a cut of tips made, not a set amount based on nominal assumed tips.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link
*sigh*rish
― harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link
well tbh i did think they got a cut of the tips originally, i take back my sigh
― harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
but even if it does work like that, and the service is so bad you don't tip (and remember we're kinda digressing here to the stage where you'd have to remember that most people on the thread would tip well usually) then in effect the server has lost the backroom staff that money, so..............
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link
For the love of God, not this again.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link
You can't base anything on actual tips made - how can you verify that it's true? Oftentimes waiters aren't entirely sure what they made - 'keep the change,' your tips/bank get mixed with whatever cash you've got on you anyway, etc..
In some restaurants, tipping out is voluntary (bar aside) and basically just gets you good service from the busboys. But that's less common (IME) than the chain restaurant model of using a percentage of gross sales at the end of the night to pay part of the staff.
End of the night at your average restaurant, whether it's Applebees or a nice steakhouse runs something like:Claim 10% of your cash sales as tips, all of your credit card tips (traceable)Pay ~3.5% of your total sales to the hostess/busboy (they get paid on their checks from this), pay a percentage of your liquor sales to the service bartenderTurn in however much cash your total sales were plus tip out, minus credit card tips.What you have left over is how much you made for the evening.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link
in ireland, with restaurant prices the way they are, that's not ungenerous i think.
^^^ if anyone doubts this, I once paid 55 US dollars for two burgers, two fries, 1 can of coke and a half-pint of lager in Ireland
― canna kirk (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Even if you get a buyback that ends up saving you a buck or two (cost of the beer minus the extra tip you've given), it's an intrinsically risky game. I'd rather tip $1 a drink and know what I'm getting than tip $2 a drink and cross my fingers that this will work out to a free drink sometime down the road. (The idea behind the buyback also seems to assume you're at a bar where there's only one bartender, and that bartender remembers who you are every time you order a drink.)
Note: I have not read any of this thread after Max's original post about buybacks, since it infuriated me.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
milo four years of a business degree would obviously not qualify me as a waiter in the states- that just sounds like an insane fucking system.
irish food costs- insane. but getting better since everybody got fucked.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I have friends who go in expecting buybacks or hook-ups, but I always see that as a bonus. I drink as I would anywhere else and if I wind up getting free drinks I make up for it on the tip and we all come out ahead.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I am in a country where tipping for drinks pretty much doesn't exist (in circumstances of extreme goodwill you can offer to buy the guy a drink, but I have basically never done this, offered like twice, turned down each time) and get the benefits of extremely heavy-handed shot pouring and "oh hey we'll throw that in" from being a non-tipping regular also, btw
don't really want to say "oh, tips are bad" or whatever, but don't worry that these things would stop existing if you didn't have to tip
― canna kirk (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Now I have read the rest of the thread, and I am glad to see that other people do $1 a drink and don't bother with buybacks.
I guess I'm not a regular anywhere, though. Even though I have favorite bars and restaurants, I like to mix it up. Chicago's a big city.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I think being treated like that is less about tipping and way more about just being nice to the staff as a regular.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link
barstaff in ireland are very well paid for the service industry- higher than waiters, FWIW- i've never heard of anyone ever tipping a barman here.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link
i have never been paid more than minimum wage working in a bar in ireland fwiw
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
nor have any of my friends
i think if states made it so waitstaff got paid minimum wage it might kinda suck for them because people would routinely not tip and they would make a lot less
yeah i think this is one of the major reasons it doesn't change, servers as well as owners make more the way it is. all the waitresses i'm been friends with have always made 2-3 times the minimum wage per hour, so as a person who's used to living on or close to the minimum wage, my concern about tipping is wholly out of concern for my own image rather than their potential starvation.
― Maria, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
outside of all the monetary whatevers, i think tipping is one of those cool archaic customs thats a really enjoyable historic throwback. it would suck to go to a no tipping system imo.
― LJ on the homeless (jjjusten), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, tipping is nice. i don't tip $2 on every drink every time, or even on a single drink whne i go out, but if the bartender is attentive & friendly then they deserve a few bucks imo. FWIW i have a lot of friends who are bartenders, and my sister is a bartender, so I am hyper-conscious of tipping well. cuz a bartender's job kinda sucks, in as much as they have to hang out with a bunch of drunk assholes all the time.
― Joint Custody (ian), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:23 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:23 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
:O anyone i know that did barstaff would have earned 50% more than i did in tesco's/kitchen staff. not taking into account late nights etc. the tight galway hoors, huh?
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
and limerick
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
one of my mates tried working behind a bar in limerick, just over the north side of the river- lasted a week. working 6 years behind the biggest IRA bar in the west didn't even give him an inkling. they had to replace the metal grilles on the windows (let alone the glass) twice in that time.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
im tryna figure out where u mean
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
lying if i said i remember the name of the street/pub, but it was literally the first right after you get over the river heading for galway- down that way a few minutes.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link
you're going in the galway direction?
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
arah wherever, thanks. sure isn't it better than walking it? d'you mind if i smoke?
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
uh yeah just over the bridge that takes you on the galway road.
the only place i can think of is really not rough at all unless you mean up near thomond
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link
nope, not up that far at all iirc (i may not tbh, never spent much time in limerick city itself)
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:12 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
j i never meant to infuriate you! its just an extra dollar!
― max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i didnt say $2 a drink!!
i think people are misinterpreting my post
$2 on the first drink, $1 thereafter
so--an extra dollar over the course of the evening
― max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― max, Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i interpreted it correctly but i like to pay the same every time, i like consistency
― harbl, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway the opening $2 was unrelated to the buyback thing anyway--i just do it out of habit--i was encouraging maria to do it and saying that she should be getting buybacks at $2.50 a beer so who cares about the extra dollar
― max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i was drinking in a pretty seedy bar in mass. when i was over there, and my dad was trying to explain buybacks and stuff, but tbh i was so gobsmacked at the size of the shots i was getting that getting a free one at some stage would just have seemed ridculous.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway buybacks are one of those fun topics that generates as much anger as tipping does
― max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i tip white servers less btw
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I'M KIDDING I'M KIDDING
Buyback is just a free drink right? I don't think I've ever gotten one (aside from when a friend is working the bar, in which case they get BIG TIPS).
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Max, I was half-kidding! I wasn't really infuriated. But I have been known to become impatient in the past when folks like Laurel or chicago kevin have advocated for the buyback, which was usually explained to me as $2 per drink.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
they aren't real
― harbl, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I need to find new bars.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
buyback seemed like a very logical system to create goodwill where there was no actual monetary difference, if you like that sort of thing. i suppose it keeps the average drinker in the bar longer?
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah thats never been my experience. $2 on the first drink, $1 thereafter (IN MY EXPERIENCE) gets you a beer every 4 drinks or so at 75% of bars. but id tip that way anyway!
i think it is kind of a NYC thing. i only got buybacks in LA at a couple bars.
― max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
A buyback is a way of convincing an alcoholic he's actually saving money by drinking.
― Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:18 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i max out at 4 drinks anyway, i'm a girl and don't really like to be too drunk. maybe i would donate a buyback to someone else if i ever got one. like max, i would give it to him.
― harbl, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
manufactured camaraderie
― conrad, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh God, I am scum. I just forgot to tip the really friendly bartender. I'll make it up next week, I guess. (Doesn't seem sensible to walk back there.)
xposts I don't think I've ever heard of a buyback before.
― Sundar, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i max out at 4 drinks anyway, i'm a girl and don't really like to be too drunk.
― harbl, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:25 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
thats not too irish of you to be saying.
― dumb mick name follows (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link
the bartender at the bar/pub near my work must really like me; she gives me pretty much every other drink free. i think it's cuz of the night i gave her some weed as part of her tip.
― Joint Custody (ian), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link
oh yeah, you don't do rounds at all
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link
i was a waiter for 3.5 years and hated it cuz the places i worked were above crap like steak 'n shake but not upscale like ya know ruth's chris or anything. some customers didnt get the concept of not being able to occupy two spaces at once (ie, flagging you down and trying to get yr attention when yr clrly takin someone's order!), some tipped badly, many acted condescending, and in my experience almost every waiter i worked with in those types of places either had a jail record, a drug addiction, or both...hell not gon lie i smoked bud with my manager on occasion n it put me in his good graces.
but i got out. and will never go back. but have trenormous respectages for those who do it
― Ponger12, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link
ian you are clearly the best tipper ever
― sedentary lacrimation (Abbott), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link
sorta, i had luck finding a few spots out here with friendly staff(also spent a lotta time in bars : /)
― velko, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:52 (fourteen years ago) link
waiters, have any of u ever been told u weren't being tipped cuz the person didn't believe in it? just wonderin'
― Ponger12, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:53 (fourteen years ago) link
i used to get buybacks at the verdugo & sometimes at johnnys in highland park
― max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link
xp - no, but I once got a Bible pamphlet from a five-top (too small to grat).
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Thursday, 21 January 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I think I'm still militant about the service industry because I figure it's my fallback if everything else goes to hell. I'll still be able to wait tables and I need all the karma I can get.
― free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Thursday, 21 January 2010 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I tip a penny a beer, unless I'm out with Jaymc, then it's 2 dollars a beer and a shot for him each time.
― Jeff, Thursday, 21 January 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link
tips of the day:
tipped coffee guy $0.75tipped delivery guy $7 (guy is mad nice, gave me free brownies, hooked me up in the past etc.)tipped bartender $2 on first drink cuz i also ordered a bowl of chillitipped bartender $2 on second drink cuz i also ordered a basket of french fries (table service but order at the bar, and imo if they're delivering shit to my table i am fine with giving the cute lady another dollar.)
― Joint Custody (ian), Thursday, 21 January 2010 05:23 (fourteen years ago) link
god i spend a lot of money every day.
― Joint Custody (ian), Thursday, 21 January 2010 05:25 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.yorkblog.com/biz/spendthrift.jpeg
― velko, Thursday, 21 January 2010 05:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i WAS probably too generous with delivery dude, but he's super nice & always around at one of my local diners. also he's delivering shit by bike in the winter, and in addition to the free brownies we were also not charged for onion rings & a sweet tea.
― Joint Custody (ian), Thursday, 21 January 2010 05:30 (fourteen years ago) link
ian, as a former delivery person, I can say your behavior was rad.
― vacation to outer darkness (Abbott), Thursday, 21 January 2010 06:27 (fourteen years ago) link
the roffles begin once more.
I remember a great earlier thread about tipping, where Anthony seemed to be saying that he walks down the street handing out money to everyone he meets. It was the big fat tip for his florist that got us all going. Great days.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 21 January 2010 11:07 (fourteen years ago) link
protip: $2
― cogito, ergo some dude (dyao), Thursday, 21 January 2010 11:08 (fourteen years ago) link
omg abbott u would make a great delivery person
― you have to forgive me (surm), Thursday, 21 January 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link
oh man this thread makes me feel poor and cheap! i never order delivery because i'm like "if i'm going to eat it at home i could probably make it cheaper from scratch anyway." although sometimes food tastes better when you don't cook it. especially if you live in a not-quite-kosher-but-kinda-trying house...now i'm like "where can i order some stir fried mustard greens and pork?" but unfortunately i don't know the answer.
― Maria, Thursday, 21 January 2010 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link
less about tipping and way more about just being nice to the staff as a regular.
Correct! See also: asking the bartender if they need anything when you go to the pizza joint for a slice -- if you pick them up some garlic knots etc on request you might be drinking for free; busing your own table (if you're sitting at one).
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 21 January 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link
To what extent do you bus your own table?
― vacation to outer darkness (Abbott), Thursday, 21 January 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
In a restaurant: not at all. But in a bar, if there's one bartender and they have to come around the bar to clear tables, I bus the whole thing & leave the empties on the bar where they can reach 'em. Otherwise they have to stop serving to clear tables, and that just sucks for them and the other customers waiting.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 21 January 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, it is a level of consideration that's easy to forget when drinking but definitely worth remembering
― Maria, Thursday, 21 January 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
In a cocktail bar where there's a barback who does the chores, I probably wouldn't bother. But in a small local bar/pub, where the bartender is alone/friendly and everything is low-key, it's a good way to show consideration and friendliness -- and helps you be remembered later.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 21 January 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Simple version: The bartender is a person, just like you and me. Don't make their job suck (unless THEY suck).
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 21 January 2010 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/hey-waiter-just-how-much-extra-do-you-really-expect/?hp
― velko, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
looks like it was written by a yelper
― harbl, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
more like david sux
― velko, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
lives in Park Slope and always tips 15 percent
sounds about right
― velko, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
First law when I'm made dictator is that everyone has to wait tables, full time, for one year after they graduate high school.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i would ban restaurants
― harbl, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
and food writers
The main obstacle to tipping in Buenos Aires is that nobody has change, and if they do, they don't want to give it to you.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
how much shud i tip to not seem like a racist hipster?
― plax (ico), Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
And you, my dear bartender, who cracked open a $4 beer bottle, and handed me back my change entirely in a stack of one-dollar notes. Very subtle. As though the sheer bulk of that paper would deter me from putting it back in my wallet, and, defeated, I’d simply leave it there for you like a burnt offering on your sticky altar.
hi david, welcome to the country of "america!" i gather you haven't been here long.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I have fantasies about that happening here, but it never does.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Ok, dude sounds like an ass, and being given change in $1s doesn't mean you HAVE TO leave ALL the $1s so he probably should chill out. But:
“Do you need change?”
Funny you should ask, because I just gave you a $10 bill, and my latte and raspberry scone came to $5.75.
that is a little ridiculous, I don't think I have ever had a server ask that in such a situation.
― Maria, Sunday, 28 February 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Getting all your change in $1 bills seemed common practice to me from my (limited) experience of US bars - certainly in place of a $5 anyway (maybe not a 10 or 20). I love it because I'm always short of singles for the bus/launderette/tips. It just gives you greater flexibility for how much you want to tip, surely?
― Not the real Village People, Monday, 1 March 2010 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i mean it's crazy to read anything into this--if i pay for a $5 beer with a 20 and the dude gives me back a 10 and a 5, i might be unable to tip on that drink--which goes against the custom in all bars in the united states.
btw i have NEVER seen a bartender give back more than $5 in change in ones--that just wouldn't make sense.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I've seen a bartender give back more than $5 in change in ones - makes sense if, say, the tab is $14 and paid w/ a $20.
― I DIED, Monday, 1 March 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
true--was only considering buy a single drink for myself in cash.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
worst is when the drinks are $19 and you don't have any more singles. Sorry for the cheapo dollar tip, catch you on the next one, bro.
― he often deploys multiple browsers and constantly replies to himself (velko), Monday, 1 March 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
such a stressful practice
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link
tipping is?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link
As expected, those comments are priceless. Like this is really all a scam perpetuated by waiters to make money, because they are secretly earning $156 an hour. I do, however, agree with the annoying tip cups popping up in fast food places (mainly Subway from what I've seen). Um, no, not tipping you guys. Sorry.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 March 2010 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah xp
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, that Park Slope guy is a dick. Since I grew up in New Zealand, where tipping is almost non-existent, I learned pretty quickly what was expected. For a few months, it felt like money I wasn't used to spending, but it doesn't take long til it's just part of living in the US. My everyday calculations are pretty simple: 20% for dinner, $1 per drink, $2-3-4 for food delivery (depending on size and some weird perceived difficulty of deliver), 15-20% or whatever I have for cabs. The rest is guesswork! 20% for a haircut, $2 for a bag at hotel, and some money (often forgotten) for maid service. Coffee, nothing.
Food is cheap in the US, and in the bigger picture...if you're out, and spending money, then tipping is part of the deal. I don't notice service too much, or bother keeping tabs on who/how served me. The next day the whole $ thing has disappeared - not to say that I don't notice or get stressed about money, but just that you roll with some costs, and resist others - and tipping is definitely a roll with it thing.
― paulhw, Monday, 1 March 2010 01:53 (fourteen years ago) link
When I order my filet mignon I expect the wages of the peon carrying it to my seat to have already been included in the price!
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 March 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
^^why shouldn't we expect this to be the case? :P
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link
lol i dunno, it's just not! i don't think that either the us or euro system is more valid. paulhw otm--those are like my exact day-to-day guidelines.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 02:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I just see tipping as some sort of silly and archaic system that has been grandfathered into our culture. I mean I follow it and try to tip 15-20% and be a good tipper and whatever but I still think it's silly.
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I find it the most stressful when I'm left with some combination of bills that will make me look like a bad tipper, as mentioned above, also searching for a window to leave the tip so that the bartender knows it was /you/ who left the tip is stressful too
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm...usually if you just leave the money in the spot where you were standing the bartender is going to know it was you, right?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago) link
lol plz its not like u were cleaning fukken office buildings @ night or something.
― (Damn) (Lamp), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the point was more to make people understand how a lack of tipping affects the waiter, not to show them that its some insanely difficult job.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:13 (fourteen years ago) link
true but i do think a lot of ppl who haven't worked in food service think it's easier than it is
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway I live in a country now where tipping is not really part of the culture but the service is still the same if not better than it was in the states, and there's no more useless/awkward small talk! so take that, america.
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:16 (fourteen years ago) link
enh im p sure that waiting tables is one of the few low-paying service industry jobs that lots of middle class ppl already relate to if only because its one of the few jobs that lots of middle class ppl have worked or know some1 whos worked. like i dont think cleaning offices is all that hard either but its probably crazy less remunerative
fwiw im cool w/tipping
― (Damn) (Lamp), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link
searching for a window to leave the tip so that the bartender knows it was /you/ who left the tip is stressful too
― noted schloar (dyao), Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:06 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
u are overthinking this bro
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
It's less about teaching people to tip or the hidden difficulties of serving than the fact that being in a service industry where your income is derived entirely from how nice and/or competent you are teaches a valuable skill set (social and economic) and as an added bonus breeds empathy for people in other service roles. I'm pretty sure that I can watch how someone reacts to a busy grocery checkout clerk (or w/e) and decide if they've ever waited tables.
I'm sure that other service jobs teach similar things, but the weight of 'if I'm an ass to these customers/screw up their night, I'm not getting paid' is pretty heavy for an 18-year old.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
lol at relying on a job to teach you how to be a nice and charming person
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a pretty good way, imho
― Mr. Que, Monday, 1 March 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
WHERE ARE THE PARENTS, I ASK YOU
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Better than the alternative of a nation of disgusting savages. Which is where we're currently at.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
The parents are busy spoiling the kids and ensuring that there are no consequences for their actions. This is why we need to press-gang the little fuckers into the nearest TGI Friday's crew.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link
cosign that
― blow it out your bad-taste hole (WmC), Monday, 1 March 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
what do you learn by waiting tables at hooters?
― he often deploys multiple browsers and constantly replies to himself (velko), Monday, 1 March 2010 04:55 (fourteen years ago) link
what do you learn by becoming a cabbie?
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago) link
how to drive around big cities in traffic quickly & also u learn what lots of people lose and are annoying when drunk iirc
― Joint Custody (ian), Monday, 1 March 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i was going to say that this thread was like if people lived inside actual seinfeld episodes & then dyao posts this, which is a whole major subplot in the episode where george starts eating lunch every day w/ steinbrenner -- george goes to the same cazzoli place everyday & one day the cashier turns around when george puts a buck in the tip jar & george gets all nervous that the guy is gonna think he doesn't tip, so he decides to reach in & grab his dollar so he can "re-tip" and of course the guy turns around & sees george & accuses him of stealing from the tip jar & bans him from the cazzoli joint
aka yall over thinking this imo
― waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link
u learn what lots of people lose and are annoying when drunk iirc
so, lots of overlap with waiting tables
― I DIED, Monday, 1 March 2010 06:01 (fourteen years ago) link
like, my feeling is that if you go to a place often enough that it's pertinent that the bartender/cashier knows that you tipped they a. appreciate your constant business more than a tip & b. already know what your tipping practices are -- if it's just some random ass place then i don't think it really matters if some bartender you're never gonna see again knows if you left him one dollar
― waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I got worried after reading that some people here tip 2 dollars on the first drink and keep on tipping in the hopes of getting a free round down the line
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:05 (fourteen years ago) link
At busy bars I generally keep cash tips I leave within eyesight until the bartender picks it up, but that's because I'm paranoid about another patron picking it up rather than the bartender thinking I didn't tip.
― I DIED, Monday, 1 March 2010 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ this too
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Good god. Leave the dollar on the bar or put it in the jar. Your attitude (friendly/polite) matters way more than being seen dropping that dollar in their pocket - in the scheme of things, on a night when they'll pull down $100-250, a bartender doesn't care all that much about your individual tip.
I run a tab most places. Solves many headaches.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:16 (fourteen years ago) link
At the shady club I've helped out for (ugh) almost two years now, we had to chain the tip jars to the bar, people kept stealing them.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, March 1, 2010 1:05 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i usually tip $2 on the first drink just cuz thats how i was "taught" to tip, not cause i expect a free round! tho i guess i figure it cant hurt. but if the bar is so busy that the bartender really wont be able to tell that the dollar bill that you left on the bar right where you just ordered a drink is from you, then its too busy for a free drink
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
haha this is sort of what happened with my brother at his first service job. him: "i've invented a MASK. i smile and act polite no matter WHAT i'm really feeling and people only see the FAKE IMAGE i produce. it's so deceptive." me: "yeah, it's called manners, great skill to develop." him: "but...it's...COMPLETELY INSINCERE!" me: "you think anyone cares how you actually feel?"
― Maria, Monday, 1 March 2010 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link
heh my brother's just turned 30 and hasn't quite grasped that the awful HYPOCRISY of it all is actually what most people consider 'growing up, dealing'
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Monday, 1 March 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Best is when you order two $4 drinks, give the bartender a $10, and then just silently walk away while their back is turned.
― dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Monday, 1 March 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
>>“Do you need change?”
>>Funny you should ask, because I just gave you a $10 bill, and my latte and raspberry scone came to $5.75.
I think this is just a habitual question that servers ask, not wanting to be presumptuous one way or the other. Not worth getting worked up over, IMO.
― dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Monday, 1 March 2010 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link
better phrase: I'll be right back with your change. This gives them the opportunity to stop you and say keep it, without being presumptuous.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link
No, if someone orders coffee and a scone, you give them their change. No stupid funny games. If they were going to give you a $4.25 tip, I'm sure they would do it even if you handed them change back.
Also, My everyday calculations are pretty simple: 20% for dinner, $1 per drink, $2-3-4 for food delivery (depending on size and some weird perceived difficulty of deliver), 15-20% or whatever I have for cabs.You probably have this down better than most Americans! I am constantly having to explain to people that 15% for food is kind of a slap in the face these days.
― This object perpetually attempts to sell itself on eBay. (Stevie D), Monday, 1 March 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
disagree
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i dont think anyone has ever actually asked if he wanted change after he bought a scone with a ten
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
It just occurred to me that I always tip on the total (incl tax) at restaurants...do other people just tip on the food+drink total? Normally the amounts involved mean that it doesn't make much difference either way, but...just wondering.
― paulhw, Monday, 1 March 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
some of the biggest arguments I've had with my wife involve me tipping on food and drink and her tipping on the total incl tax
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
how much of a dollar difference does that usually make?
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
If you tip on the total including tax, you're more likely to err on the side of generosity. If you have great service, do it J's way and if the service is mediocre or just dinery, do it your way. This seems like a good married-folks' compromise (but may not fool J).
― ned ragú (suzy), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
like $1 on 50 xp
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
haha i mean, id say, "why are you arguing about it if its only a dollar," but i am in a relationship, and i know the answer
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
the argument I get in w/ my gf is tipping on really small totals...I think there should be a minimum tip and she thinks it should always be a %
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
you are right fwiw
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I know!
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm right in all our arguments actually
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link
What do you guys do on pre-tax totals between $5 and $10? It seems sort of petty to calculate an exact percentage, especially if you're paying in cash. So do you just always round up to $2?
― dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
$2-3
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
This may be insane, but I think the extra dollar I give the Waffle House waitress on my $7.59 ($3) breakfast makes almost no difference to me but probably brightens her day because at least one person was marginally nicer than usual?
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
tipping very attractive waitstaff more than your usual% - classic or sad?
― he often deploys multiple browsers and constantly replies to himself (velko), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Sad, but apparently we do this subconsciously as well.
― ned ragú (suzy), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
worked with a super-cute girl who was a dance major, she always took off her butt towel when she had a table of men, claimed that she didn't realize she did so.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
xp yeah milo i've always kind of thought that--like it everyone rounded up on their tips that waitress would see a big benefit compared to all our small losses?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, precisely. Why do I suspect that this has deeper implications regarding one's political affiliation?
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
butt towel? what kinda restaurant was this
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i am confused about the connection between butt towel and being a dance major
― horseshoe, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
dancing makes your butt sweaty I guess
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
butt towel - folded napkin waiters carry on the back of their apron to clean up spills, wipe hands, etc.
dance major - she had a rockin' booty
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
got it
― horseshoe, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^see, I understood completely what was going on here.
― ned ragú (suzy), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I have a pretty fast and hard 1$ per 5$ rule for meals (inc drinks) and $1 per drink for drinks alone. My wife, if I would let her, would likely tip 100% all of the time because she briefly worked as a waitress. I have actually used the good vs bad service rule to decide when I tipped pre- or post-tax; I have also used the "woah she is cute" rule.
xp: kinda confused as to how ppl were confused by milo's story? unless it was comedy naivety
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i was genuinely confused, let's not dwell on how dumb i am
― horseshoe, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link
not everyone is familiar with the term "butt towel"
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
comedy naivety on ilx?
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
i sort of figured out butt towel from context clues but i didn't know dance major was code for nice butt! then i was like, was it a restaurant/dance studio? what is the significance of the dancing?
― horseshoe, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link
lots of xps - Chicago has a 10% sales tax, incl. on food/drinks at restaurants, so it can make a significant difference when calculating the tip. I basically will calculate tip based on the pre-tax bill if I didn't like the service, and calculate tip based on the bill w/ tax if I did like the service.
Jeff and I went out to dinner with a causal acquaintance and her husband one night (they were buying us dinner for some reason) and the husband made a big production about how it is improper to tip on alcohol sales at a restaurant, and that you should only calculate the tip based on the food bill, minus booze, which he then proceeded to do despite our pleas to let us leave the tip, as he had been so generous with the bill. I have no idea where he got that crazy idea, but we were mortified. And if anybody had pulled that bullshit on me during my server days, I would have been really, really grumpy about it.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link
brb, opening a potato restaurant/dance studio covered in Jennifer Beals iconography
it will be called Mashdance
xp: I used to do that but then realized it was bullshit
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I just thought the term 'butt towel' was funny, that's all
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry that you disagree
Fuck any asshole who doesn't tip on booze.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
dance major = somehow knows to do handsprings/prove bendiness whenever the male gaze 'pon dem.
― ned ragú (suzy), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh no Jenny! The only reason I ever used to shill drinks is it was the easiest way to double your tip in a jiff (and it was pretty lol in Mormon country as it was way easier to get someone to buy a strawberry lemonade than a beer).
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link
that actually describes the male dance majors I know much more accurately than the female dance majors I know
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
And the most flagrant examples of both sexes generally go to Sarah Lawrence.
― ned ragú (suzy), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Abbot, I know!!! At the redneck bar where I worked, the only way I was able to make anything even vaguely resembling a living was by dumping lots of Bud Light down their gullets. Plus then in the semi-find dining setting, the bottles of wine and cocktails are the real money makers.
I took a totally unscientific poll after that dinner, and most people I knew (incl. some long-timer servers) had never heard of such a practice. Conclusion: dude is wicked cheap (which is a sad conclusion because dude was a six-figure big law associate).
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the idea that these iron laws of tipping exist is pretty silly.
I mean it comes down to: this person is getting you stuff and you want to say thanks. 15%ish is the socially accepted guideline, but I mean, if I order a $30 steak instead of a $5 salad and all the waiter has to do is bring me the plate, I don't think the waiter really deserves 6x the tip. so I tend to overtip in case #2 and undertip in case #1.
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Ugh I just keep thinking of that episode of Friends where Rachel's dad (?) took her and Ross out to dinner and paid for all the huge meal, booze etc but was leaving a stingy tip, so Ross tried to sneak some cash down to bump up the tip and Rachel's dad was all "OH YOU THINK I'M A CHEAPSKATE, PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING YOURSELF IF YOU'RE SO AMAZING"
When a family member visited us in the US it was like that at every meal, without the accusations of cheapskating but it was kind of implied. At least he had the excuse he wasn't from here.
― Not the real Village People, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link
a 20 percent tip on a 5 dollar salad alone is one dollar
― Mr. Que, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link
tipping scales linearly, sorry iatee but you are a disgusting savage when it comes to tipping ;_;
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
also that is not "all the waiter has to do"
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I was kind of embarrassed to go out for a meal w/some friends & they all were busting out their little cell phone tip calculators so they could come up w/exactly $0.78 as the 20% tip. And asking the server for change (coins from dollars!) so they cld leave that exact amount for him. Which would not have been so bad if he hadn't had to come up w/8 individual checks, and if we hadn't all been sitting there for *three hours.* I left him over 1000% tip (still not that much) bcz I felt so bad about my friends leaving him a little pile of pocket change.
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean over 100%
my range of tipping is like 0-30 tbh
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
iatee you know that waiters are paid less than minimum wage and have to make it up through tips, right?
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
one thing I am ruthless on is getting short-changed; if that happens, I don't tip, period
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
(in this age of credit/debit cards, that rarely happens, tho)
― Bunsen burner, bubbles, IT'S ALIVE! whaaaaa-? (HI DERE), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
my waiter friends make more money than my non-waiter friends who are in crappy jobs, so I don't have much pity over that
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
but yes, I do know that max
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i hope all yr waiters go pee in yr salad
― Mr. Que, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
OTOH have you ever had servers give you back more? Say they owe you $10.38, and they give you back $11. A pretty clear ploy for a bigger tip but also a nice gesture of potentially reciprocal generosity. This happened to my friend & she was so confused she just left the extra $0.62 as a tip & nothing else. I covered for her once again. I think I need to quit going to restaurants w/this girl.
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I tip 20% on the total and only vary if the service is horrible (in which case I may not tip - but only if it's really egregious) or just bad (15%) and that's very, very rare. I hardly even think about tipping, it's just automatic.
― La religion est une fatigante solution de paresse (Michael White), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
She is a simple girl who is used to eating at Chipotle.
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, March 1, 2010 2:27 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
are you only eating at restaurants where your watier friends are working, and only getting served by your waiter friends?
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
huh?
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
nobody I know works at fancy restaurants
and I don't eat at any
im just saying--your waiter friends salaries arent necessarily indicative of waiter salaries in general. and if your non-waiter friends are getting paid less than your waiter friends, it doesnt make it ok to pay waiters less--it makes it wrong that your non-waiter friends arent getting paid enough
― max, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
When my sister does a shift she can make $200 in tips easily, at a sports bar full of regulars.
― ned ragú (suzy), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I dunno why I'm coming off as some anti-tip person...I tip over 20% a good % of the time. but I'm not gonna pretend like waiters have it worse than most people in crappy jobs. what people 'deserve' to be paid for anything is a neverending economic argument.
― iatee, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link
in college i worked at one of these Mississippi casinos just south of Memphis and made ridiculous money. like less than $200 in tips was a bad night. There's a good chance I'll never make that kind of money again from my "straight" job. also i had crazy good health insurance and still made around $6.50/ hour (this was like '99 - '00).
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe should have stayed put after graduation, come to think of it
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link
were you a waiter or a dealer?
I feel like I'd be too stressed out to be a casino employee, knowing that my every move was being watched at all times.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
AND GAS WAS $1.12 I TELL YOU WHAT
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Damn, maybe I should move to Tunica. But I'd probably spend my paycheck in the poker rooms.
― blow it out your bad-taste hole (WmC), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i was a bartender. well i barbacked for the first 8-10 months, and it was still pretty sweet $$$
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link
x-post yeah i watched a lot of my bartender brethren drop their night's earnings on the craps table after work. "hey, there's always more tomorrow" (I'm cheap and gambling makes me nervous, so i came out alright)
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, March 1, 2010 2:25 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkiatee you know that waiters are paid less than minimum wage and have to make it up through tips, right?
― max, Monday, March 1, 2010 2:25 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I'm pretty sure max, that iatee is talking about tipping 0% when service is atrocious or something like that.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
better to drop it on a craps table than with a meth or coke dealer (like many a bartender I worked with)
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ oh yeah some of that, too. there were a lot of sad stories tbh.
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link
When I was young, someone sent a letter to Dear Abby (I'm pretty sure it was Abby, not Ann Landers, whose near-identical column also appeared in my local newspaper) complaining that person X always hung the roll of toilet paper with the loose end hanging off the back, not the front.
This one letter ignited more letters of response, over a longer period of time, than any subject ever raised in her column. It was a raging controversy that lasted for months. Proponents of front-hanging and back-hanging harangued one another ceaselessly, exhibiting a passion for this subject far in excess of anything one could have imagined.
Reading this thread reminded me of the Great Toilet Paper Controversy, for some reason.
― Aimless, Monday, 1 March 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
There must be something appealing about tipping as a micro-drama - the way money, class, ethics, principles congeal into something that everyone has a take on. There are now over 1,000 comments for that NY Times blog linked to upthread...
― paulhw, Monday, 1 March 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
mission accomplished for one dickhead blogger, sadly
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 March 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/hey-waiter-just-how-much-extra-do-you-really-expect/?hp&apage=43#comment-627205
^^^^^ <3 people who've just taken Macro 101
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Hahaha, it comes w/a reading list.
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Monday, 1 March 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Of course, for really bad service, it's preferable to leave a miniscule tip (like $0.05 or so) rather than nothing at all, so the server won't miss the point and assume you merely forgot.
― Ceci n'est pas une display name (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 1 March 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"who figures he can pay you the minimum wage of $4.65 for servers"
still $2.35 in these parts iirc
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
$2.13/hour is the federal minimum wage for tipped employees. It is higher in some states, but if the employee's tips do not result in the employee earning the regular minimum wage for that state, the employer is supposed to make up the difference and bring the employee up to minimum wage.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
oops yeah i think i meant $2.13
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
which hasn't changed since min wage for non-tipped employees was still sitting at $4.25. or before?
― king willie style (will), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
This is potentially interesting: http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, the fed min wage for tipped employees has not changed in a long ass time.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
why are we responsible for paying waiters instead of the companies ;_;
― noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
first thing Imma do when Im president is toss waitstaff in with the rest of the workforce. NO MORE SPECIAL TREATMENT
SAN DIEGO — Charge a service fee on your restaurant menu, go to jail?
A year in custody is the maximum penalty North Park restaurateur Jay Porter could face in the wake of legal action the San Diego City Attorney’s Office is planning against his popular Linkery restaurant for allegedly violating the state’s unfair-competition laws.
Porter was something of a renegade when he introduced his no-tipping policy four years ago, but his mandatory 18 percent service charge on all dining bills is now heating up in the blogosphere and among fellow restaurant owners as word spreads about the pending city action.
While one University Heights pub owner said legal enforcement is well-deserved, many other restaurateurs say they’re mystified by the city’s decision to pursue a seemingly innocuous, albeit unusual, practice. Porter, who roused interest in the issue by posting it on his blog this week, has vowed to fight the City Attorney’s Office, which has offered to meet with him before taking action.
“We’re not going to change our business because the city attorney has an emotional problem with it,” said Porter, who opened The Linkery in 2005 and instituted the service-charge policy a year later. The surcharge, he noted, is clearly stated on a sign at the entrance and on the menu.
“What we’re doing is clearly honest, and we’re not defrauding anyone,” Porter said. “My plan is to keep being transparent so people can see what the city attorney is doing, because they’re certainly not acting in the interest of consumers. Let people make up their own minds.”
Assistant City Attorney Tricia Pummill stated that her office is strictly looking out for the consumer, who she said is increasingly being burdened with added charges during the economic downturn.
While there are no specific statutes governing tipping and service fees, Pummill said the state Business and Professions Code is clear about prohibiting retailers from misleading the public about pricing. In a letter to Porter, she cited a code section stating that a retailer cannot charge a price “greater than that advertised.”
Her office’s decision to pursue the service-charge issue was prompted by complaints from the public, Pummill said.
“In this recession, we’re seeing that businesses, rather than increase their prices, are indicating one price and adding extra charges,” said Pummill, who acknowledged that her office is seeing this practice beyond The Linkery. “We’re reacting to what the public is telling us, that ‘we’re tired of this and we want to be told the price we’re paying.’ What is the price if it doesn’t include the cost of bringing the food to your table or cooking your food?”
A blanket surcharge also violates state code provisions that ban businesses from making untrue or misleading statements about goods and services provided, Pummill said.
Daniel Conway, a spokesman for the California Restaurant Association, which learned of the service-charge issue yesterday, said it would study the matter for any legal implications for the industry as a whole. Conway said he was unaware of any restaurants that regularly include service charges as part of the diner’s bill.
In European countries, where restaurant gratuities are automatic, service may suffer, some believe.
“Once it becomes part of the guest check, you wonder whether the servers are motivated in the same way,” said San Diego restaurateur David Cohn. “If everyone went that way, it might work out, but I think people have been tip-jarred to death.”
Matt Gordon, another San Diego restaurateur, said that while he prefers the conventional tipping system, he cannot understand why Porter’s decision to tack on a service charge would violate the law. He and others noted that many restaurants automatically add an 18 percent gratuity to bills for large parties.
“I think it’s a little bit of a witch hunt,” said Gordon, owner of Urban Solace in North Park.
George Hauer, of George’s at the Cove in La Jolla, suspects that most restaurants would not follow The Linkery’s lead because consumers have long been accustomed to deciding for themselves how much to spend on the gratuity.
“People tip in our restaurants, in all the different levels, about 19.1 percent. But my guess is if you made it mandatory at 18 percent, people would get antsy and say, ‘I don’t mind tipping voluntarily, but I don’t want to be forced to do it,’ ” Hauer said. “But you wouldn’t hear me saying, ‘Right on — the city attorney needs to get on this.’ I don’t feel that way at all.”
That’s not the case with pub owner Scott Blair, who bluntly condemns Porter’s practice as a detriment to consumers.
“I think it’s third-rate grifting,” said Blair, owner of Hamilton’s Tavern in South Park and Small Bar in University Heights. “You say you don’t accept tips, but then you force an 18 percent tax on every check. I’m not from Cornell, but last time I checked, that’s a gratuity.”
Porter, who formerly worked in the high-tech industry, said he embraced the service-charge model a few years ago after deciding that it was a more equitable way to compensate his staff. Granted, his approach seems riskier during a recession, but he pointed out that one of the country’s most acclaimed restaurants, Chez Panisse in Berkeley, has long charged a 17 percent service fee on its customers’ bills.
Responding to a comment on his blog urging him to take a more “honest” approach, Porter shot back: “Some people, like you and, apparently, the City Attorney, are desperate to live in a world where table service has no cost, it’s just free, and a tip is some little bit extra that your server is just delighted to receive. This is a ridiculous fantasy.”
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 5 March 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry, didn't realize that was so goddamned long.
So yesterday I was gonna see if I could work this "buyback" thing but then the bartenders switched shifts after my second beer!! SIGH.
― This object perpetually attempts to sell itself on eBay. (Stevie D), Friday, 5 March 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Stoopped reading halfway b/c WTF THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE:
In a letter to Porter, she cited a code section stating that a retailer cannot charge a price “greater than that advertised.”
Retailers advertise things all the damn time without tax included, are you gonna drop the Law Hammer on every store in the local mall?!?!?
Doesn't that apply to EVERY SINGLE RESTAURANT??!? Also wth where did she get "cooking your food"?
Some people, like you and, apparently, the City Attorney, are desperate to live in a world where table service has no cost, it’s just free, and a tip is some little bit extra that your server is just delighted to receive. This is a ridiculous fantasy.”
This man is OTM.
― The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Friday, 5 March 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
been in the US for 2 weeks and i still don't understand this.
I tried to observe what others do.. seems that
1) somewhere where drinks are expensive, you tip more.2) somewhere where drinks are cheaper, tip less.3) fast food/food to go, no tip4) restaurant, 20%
is that generally right? 2) doesn't make sense to me still because i'd think those are staff who are in more need of the tip than 1) where they are probably paid better???? or is it just because more cheapskates go to 2) and thus?
I was at a casino bar where they have promotion a hot dog and beer for $3 - i have to pay the lot and then go to collect a hotdog with a voucher elsewhere. Do I tip the bar man AND the hot dog man? That'd make it $5 which would defeat quite a lot of the value involved..
What about when I check in/out of hotels where things were all prepaid? Do I tip the staff anyway??
How much to tip taxi drivers?? I can probably find all the answers by reading all the threads about tipping, but I'm on holiday!!
― show me your buccina (ken c), Friday, 2 April 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you're fine tipping 1 dollar (plus any coins) per drink until the drinks start being above $10....if i'm in a place like that i usually just tip 20% on the whole bill.
hotels--leave a tip for the people who clean the rooms--couple bucks/day i think is standard.
taxis--tip 15% or 3-5 bucks for most normal rides, whatever's easiest change-wise.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 April 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
if you get a friendly taxi driver who you enjoy, wildly overtip them
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 April 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't tip hotel desk clerks. I don't know about concierges, I'm not that uptown.
Tip bellmen if they take your bags to your room, a buck or two.
The hot dog/beer promotion sounds like it's designed to pry a full fiver out of your hand. ¯\(°_o)/¯
#1-4 are generally right. #1 and 2 may sound kind of off, but the tip is based on a percentage of the purchase price of the goods/services, not based on what the service staff makes, unfair as that might sound.
what CAD said about leaving a few bucks for the hotel housekeeper
― my full government name (WmC), Friday, 2 April 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Tipping hotel desk clerks in Vegas supposedly gets you a free upgrade ~75% of the time.
― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Friday, 2 April 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah, I didn't know that part. Haven't been to Vegas yet.
― my full government name (WmC), Friday, 2 April 2010 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lol but the upgrade is at the shitty imperial palace hotel i think all it means is i'm going to get a mirror on the ceiling and a hot tub lol
― show me your buccina (ken c), Saturday, 3 April 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.imperialpalace.com/casinos/imperial-palace/casino-misc/luv-tub-room-detail.html
thanks for the info btw! i'm still perplexed about 1) 2) but if that's the way it is then it's all cool
― show me your buccina (ken c), Saturday, 3 April 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
this question isn't about whether i should tip, but how much i should tip.
if there's a delivery charge, do i tip 20 percent of:
subtotal+tax+delivery charge?
or just
subtotal+tax?
i'm going to tip on the tax anyway because i'm a chronic NICE PERSON.
― aix-en-pains (get bent), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
quick question - is the delivery person standing at the door right now as you type?
― fuck it, we're going to Olive Garden® (Z S), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
hell no, i always work this shit out beforehand
― aix-en-pains (get bent), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I would just tip on the subtotal+tax, but that might be way wrong
that's my impression too.
― aix-en-pains (get bent), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I would fuck it and go to Olive Garden® instead
― ♹♹ (dyao), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
does not sound like a plan
― aix-en-pains (get bent), Monday, 14 June 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://bestlittlebookshelf.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/malcolmgladwell2.jpg
― ksh, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
You tip 20% (subtotal + tax) - minus the delivery charge. The delivery charge comes out of your tip.
― Mister Jim, Monday, 14 June 2010 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
delivery charge != tip!!! the delivery charge goes to the restaurant, not the driver.
― aix-en-pains (get bent), Monday, 14 June 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
that's what they want you to think
― ♹♹ (dyao), Monday, 14 June 2010 12:23 (thirteen years ago) link
When I delivered pizza, they charged the customers a $2.50 delivery charge per order. I got $1 per every order I delivered to compensate for gas, and I got minimum wage, and that was all. And actually, people tipped me really poorly more often than not.
― breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 14 June 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Tipping on the delivery charge there would have been an extra $.50, not to much to palliate a nervous conscience. I just hand the pizza guy a $5 every time, and watch their eyebrows go up.
― breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 14 June 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I always think delivery tip should depend on how much of a hassle it is for them to get to your house
― iatee, Monday, 14 June 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, for me working out appropriate tips for delivery vary anywhere from 15-40% depending on order size, distance, weather, time of day, speed, etc.
― I DIED, Monday, 14 June 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
whether it's an african or european swallow, etc.
― an indie-rock microgenre (dyao), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i delivered for jimmy john's in college. so many people assumed that the delivery charge went 100% to the driver (all i got was 5% of the total $ of food I delivered to cover fuel cost), that ANY tip was appreciated by me. if you're having angst over exactly what to base your tip on, you're already an A+ customer imo.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://consumerist.com/2010/08/how-much-would-you-tip-this-dominos-driver.html
"On Sunday, people in sections of Charleston, SC, were up to their knees in flood water. But that didn't deter this driver for Domino's Pizza from making his deliveries.
According to the driver, when confronted with an 18-inch deep river of water between him and his destination, he ditched his shoes and to deliver the order of two medium pies and a 2 liter of soda."
They tipped him $4, what assholes.
I've already started tipping $2/first drink, $1/each additional drink but I'm trying to start tipping $2/each drink. But it's v difficult when you're making a very small amount of money.
― Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Friday, 20 August 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Jesus, I wouldn't be ordering pizzas during a serious flooding situation, but if I did, I would feel obligated to tip at least the price of the pie.
― kkvgz, Friday, 20 August 2010 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link
It's great with pizza guys in Ireland... they don't expect tips, so if they get them they are pathetically grateful.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 20 August 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"There you are, my man, a shilling for your stout efforts", I say.
How much to Irish delivery guys get paid?
― Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Friday, 20 August 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
The same as Irish obstetricians, because delivering is delivering, amirite?
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Friday, 20 August 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
somebody was arguing with me about those delivery car services, you know like the black or gray cars in new york with nothing on them, saying the tip is included in the price. it's this far-reaching rumor in new york. i maintain that it is not included. you tip, just like any other service. people get heated about this.
― janice (surm), Friday, 20 August 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
You've come a long way, ramzi.
― kkvgz, Friday, 20 August 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lols
― janice (surm), Friday, 20 August 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
HAH
― Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Friday, 20 August 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
got a cab from the airport. internet said avg cost should be $22. called a cab co. and they said it'd be $30. whatever, didn't have time/not in the mood to shop around. had $35 on us, so figured we're good w/$5 tip. driver is pleasant enough during drive. drops us off, says it's $35. my sister hands him $35 saying that's all she's got. dude looks at money, incredulous at what he's seeing. "no tip??? where's the tip? no fucking tip???", becoming irate, etc. what a fucking asshole.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
To be fair, I doubt anybody had informed the cab driver that the ride was quoted at $30
― Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Friday, 20 August 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Even so, it's a TIP. It's not your goddamn birthright.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
and we explained that we were quoted $30, only had $35 on us, and dude was still being a raging peepee head.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I understand his fury, but (1) he should take that out on the person who quoted you the $30, and (2) you couldn't stop and get an extra ten - twenty bucks, in case traffic or whatnot?
― Sauvignon Blanc Mange (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
You're insane.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
30 is like the standard airport fare around here. and that guy was a raging douche and i would have told him right off.
― janice (surm), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
now when i get in a car like that, i tell the driver exactly what i was quoted on the phone. no surprises.
My sister's place is literally 10 minutes from the airport. There's no traffic at 9pm on a Saturday. I'm not gonna be some no nuts "ooh sorry sir please don't be mad at me, is $50 enough to drive me a few miles? Here's my bank account # if not."
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
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― janice (surm), Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM (39 seconds ago)
^^^^ exactly this. It doesn't take much forethought to take away somebody's opportunity to fuck you over. It looks like micromanagement, but so fucking what. xpost to surm
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
lol max like this thread was ever any different than what it's like right now
― janice (surm), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
those ppl that get all panicky and upset and demand a tip from you are just kind of embarrassing and funny
― janice (surm), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
nobody here better ever go to Egypt.
― oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
all i'm sayin.
this thread stresses me out so much
― plax (ico), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if it was earlier this thread or one of the other tipping threads, but I delivered food and for a $9.75 order I'd have some people demand I go back to my car to grab a quarter to give them change for a $10 (which I would calmly and politely do). So I really have no sympathy for guys who get apoplectic over it.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
With Dominos in the UK you can order your Pizza online and pay online, so you don't have to hand over any money when the driver delivers it. Saves any worry about whether you are meant to tip him or not.
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 20 August 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
But do you include a tip when paying online?
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Well you pay for the whole service! So in a way, yes.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 20 August 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
some delivery sites in the States work that way too, where you input your tip online. I wanna say Quiznos does, and I believe one of the pizza delivery giants does. I don't like it so much because I'm guaranteeing a tip when the service may suck, but then again, the word "tip" does stand for "to insure promptness" so technically it's in the spirit of it, lol.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"in a way"
― quincie, Friday, 20 August 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I suppose, but if I do that in the US there's an option to enter a tip amount. Not that I'd order from Dominos obv, don't wanna give out that impression.xp
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah they should authorize your card, but not charge it til the driver returns. so then you can quickly go in and deduct .37 from his/her tip for not telling you to have a nice night.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
think we can agree on the following:
1. people who tip badly for no reason other than being cheap pieces of crap are disgusting savages and it's understandable why the recipient is upset2. sometimes unexpected shiz happens that makes normally good-tipping individuals not be able to tip properly3. regardless of why you didn't get any tip or a good tip, acting like a gorilla on cocaine over it is not professional and never acceptable, even if one can be sympathetic to their frustration.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I can agree on that. I did feel bad about not tipping RIGHT UNTIL gorilla on cocaine showed itself. It's a bit frightening when someone acts that way and they know where your live-alone sister lives.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Credit card?
Also:
http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/tip.asp
― paulhw, Friday, 20 August 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha I always tip dominos guys when I pay online!
Are you meant to tip people who deliver fridges? It felt kind of awkward not to: like, I have already paid for the fridge! Delivery was included in the price! On other hand you have just carried a heavy object up my stairs? So clearly I should tip? What should I tip? £20? I don't want to tip £20? Anyway while I was thinking all this they went away again.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Friday, 20 August 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"here's a tip get a better job"About 3,730 results (0.22 seconds)
― buzza, Friday, 20 August 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
predictably, w/o apostrophe: About 465,000 results (0.26 seconds)
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
oops nevermind. forgot to put it in quotes.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 August 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i had a couch delivered once and i gave them both money to buy themselves a coffee. they seemed pretty happy.
― oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 20 August 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i avoid searches like that cuz I find entire webboards devoted to it. I had an argument online with people who claimed they didn't tip, giving Mr. Pink-level defenses of it, and this one guy told a story about how they had automatic 15% gratuity added on and he argued to take it off, and the waitress gave him guf for it, he complained, and the waitress was fired. Now obviously the waitress had no business giving him guf, but the dude was proud of himself for causing potential financial duress to someone.
I told him he was a lousy piece of shit and have stayed away from such arguments since.
― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Friday, 20 August 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I have also had the tipping-for-fridge dilemma, but the speed with which the delivery men cleared off while I was wondering what to tip them suggests they were not expecting anything, since they were out of the flat in record time with not so much as a glance at me
(think we'd had to pay for delivery when we ordered it though)
― vampire headphase (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 20 August 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
AND I have also had the pre-booked taxi costing more than the agreed price. I'd been told 30 on the phone and was going to give him 35, he said 35 so I considered just giving him 35 same as before, but in the end I think I rounded up a couple more pounds - probably below 10% but eh
think I checked the price when I got in but I was going a long way into the middle of nowhere on like a Tuesday night, so I thought it might take a while to find another driver willing to go that far. I suppose he'd come out from the middle of nowhere place, so he wouldn't have wanted to go home without a fare, so I could maybe have made more fuss, but how much fuss do you want to make as a single woman before getting into the fuss recipient's car to go through a lot of dark country roads?
― vampire headphase (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 20 August 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
on other hand you have just carried a heavy object up my stairs? So clearly I should tip? What should I tip?
I think beers are appropriate in these kinds of situations? Dunno.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 20 August 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm kind of gratified that no-one knows, actually!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Friday, 20 August 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I gave the two guys who delivered us a fridge twenty bucks to split. They were pleasantly surprised to get a tip, but things are a little different here than in bigger cities, I think.
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Friday, 20 August 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck tipping unless youre waitstaff imo
― ? (dyao), Friday, 20 August 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Now obviously the waitress had no business giving him guff
Oh, I think she had plenty of business giving him guff.
We tipped the guys who delivered and assembled our bed and dresser. I think we gave them $10 each for three of them. I figure "delivery fee" goes to the store, not the delivery guys, plus it was hot and plus I'm always so grateful for not having to carry heavy things up steps I am very happy to tip for the service.
― Jenny, Friday, 20 August 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
if I have a job that's better than the job of the person providing me with a tippable service then I think it's incumbent on me to tip that guy as well as I reasonably can without looking like a giant nuts-flexing asshole about it. this is a more religious than practical way of thinking about it but hey guess what that is how I am like as a person so it measures up. the only time I intentionally didn't tip somebody well was this cabbie who dropped me off two blocks before my destination because he didn't feel like locating the exact (easy, midtown). he yelled at me but fuckin A dude if I wanted to walk I wouldn't get in a cab.
tipping is an opportunity to be cool to another person and that is a blessing in this world imo and that is how I think of it, the end.
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 20 August 2010 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I tipped when I got a new bed - they brought it right into the bedroom, put it exactly where I wanted it, and affixed the headboard, so there was plenty of time to think about these things
and I did sort of mean to tip for the fridge (actually a dishwasher) too, if those guys had stopped in my flat for more than 5 seconds instead of just dumping it in the hall and leaving immediately they would've been tipped - surely anyone who thought they might/should be tipped would hang around for a moment to see if wallets were reached for? Like, just the time required to say "hi, here is your dishwasher" would have been enough
― vampire headphase (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 21 August 2010 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link
So.
Barista Tipping: An Insider'z Guide
Please note: None of this applies to Starbucks. That is a completely different world. Those baristas generally make a living wage and have health insurance (though in exchange they have to deal with shitty coffee, music from corporate, automated machines, and orders like "16 oz white chocolate mocha half caff one third foam double syrup in a 20 oz cup")
It is generally considered customary to tip a dollar for a drink that involves espresso. It's also cool if you want to tip because you're going to be there all day, though honestly, if you even have this thought in the first place, I don't feel there's any need for you to pay for your presence, as you're probably not the kind of jerk that makes me wish you'd go home.
Reasons it's customary to tip:
Unless you're talking about Stumptown, Intellegensia, Four Barrel, Blue Bottle, etc. most independent coffee shops pay below minimum wage. For instance, someone working at my shop 35 hours a week (above average), with tips, makes about $15k a year. This is without any paid time off, sick leave, insurance, or benefits of any kind. My hourly pays for rent and utilities only (both of which are pretty cheap, as I live with four people.) I pay for the entire rest of my life with tips.
In order to make good espresso drinks with a manual machine, you really have to give a shit. This includes doing things like putting 30 lbs. of pressure into your tamp, which can really fuck up your wrist if you do it 5 days a week. You also have to pay really close attention to the milk, because it has to be hot enough to be a hot drink, but if it gets too hot (like, 1 second too hot), it will scald and taste awful. It takes time, practice, and care. I've been making espresso every single day (I go in and make myself a latte on days off) for something like 4 months now, and my espresso is just okay.
Now, I'm not trying to be a martyr here, I've actually got a setup where I can make this work pretty comfortably, and I'm not really complaining. But I have co-workers who will not eat that day if tips were bad because the money has to go into other living expenses.
Mind, I fucking hate the whole tipping system, and think it should be illegal to pay less than minimum for any reason, but not tipping people who depend on it is like taking out your anger at Citibank by punching their janitors.
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
FYI, if you're in the US, your employer is probably violating the Fair Labor Standards Act by not paying you minimum wage. Generally, employees who pool tips in a counter tip jar are not considered tipped employees for the purposes of the FLSA. As such, your employer must pay you your state's hourly minimum wage.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
That's not an argument against tipping you, btw. I am pro-barrista tipping. Just letting you know you might be getting the shaft, wage and hour-wise.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks, though I almost always work solo and thus the tips aren't pooled. Also my employer is a nice 68-year-old guy who really does do what he can for employees, and if he were sanctioned really in any way, the place would shut down and none of us would have jobs. This is just how this industry works in most cities.
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
That was a genuine, non-dismissive 'thanks', btw.
what do you guys think about ending the institution of tipping by personally tipping 20% everywhere no matter what?it can be kind of a nation of islam type club: 20 percenters.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
np, n-i-c-k
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
So there's me, an Australian who does not exist in a tipping culture, in a South African hotel paying the bill, and the woman says 'do you want to pay the tip with cash or by credit card?' I don't think I correctly formulated a response to that.
― Defecate on Myspace (Schlafsack), Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean I've come across ingrained tipping in loads of places but until then I'd never been asked how I wanted to pay a tip which had not been discussed.
― Defecate on Myspace (Schlafsack), Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.mint.com/blog/goals/tipping-abroad-03022011/?display=wide
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 March 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey, a revive! I wanted to ask – how much should a person tip for a complimentary bang trim?
― rittah shpoaht (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
10-15% in Australia? That's crazy, the going rate is whatever 5c coins you receive in change and feel like dumping in the venue's shrapnel jar.
― Jedmond, Friday, 4 March 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Crazy low or crazy high? 19% here in Denver, and I assume the States in general.
― kelpolaris, Friday, 4 March 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a brillint link Ned, very useful, but I agree with Jedmond in that tipping just isn't done here unless the food/service is exceptional.
― Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 4 March 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Crazy high, we just don't tip. The Australian minimum wage is $15, and most adult hospitality staff will earn a fair chunk more than that.
― Jedmond, Friday, 4 March 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I wanted to ask – how much should a person tip for a complimentary bang trim?
$10, usually.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Saturday, 5 March 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Thank you Jenny!
― rittah shpoaht (Abbbottt), Saturday, 5 March 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
You're welcome!
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Saturday, 5 March 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/blogs/blunt-instrument/tipping-a-legitimate-form-of-payment-or-an-excuse-for-slavery-20110414-1dehk.html
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 April 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
how much are you supposed to tip at a casino? I do it but I have no idea how much is ever expected, personally I think it's kinda bullshit, but there are a lot of unwritten rules here
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 April 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
Dollar per drink, whatever feels appropriate on a big win. Playing craps I'll usually put a dollar on something with high odds instead of just giving them a buck.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah for drinks, definitely gotta tip there. i do the same for craps, i think the dealers like it more anyway, but I've never hit so I feel kind of bad for that. my problem is that with restaurants and bars, I can see that maybe they only break even or don't make much money, so if you enjoy it it's kind of your responsibilty to "help out"...however a casino only really exists to take your money and they rake in so much cash that it's a little insulting to be expected to tip and allow them to continue to underpay their employees (who generally work pretty hard)
I remember started at a craps table w/ $200, lost that very quickly (went around 9-10 shooters in like 20 minutes, baaaarf), dropped another $200, lost most of it and then the table heated up, someone rolled like 7 points and I left with around $350, after I chipped out someone was bothering me, "ahem, aren't you forgetting something?? come on, man"...I was like, "ummm, I'm still down on this table" but threw them a fiver anyway. Not sure how to feel about that
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Who did the ahem? part? I've never had a casino employee do that, and I've been around some rude fuckers.
$1 a drink and a little something when I win a big hand. Go by hands (or rounds, craps is crazy to me) instead of the big picture.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/search.php?searchid=17849301
87 threads on poker tipping, dive in
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
no, not the employees, most of them are pretty nice, even though I am constantly throwing the dice off the table (not throwing hard, they just take odd bounces)
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
xp I dunno if I'd take 2+2's advice on any kind of social etiquette, that place is like Asperger's heaven
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
Never noticed it being any more socially stunted than ilx.
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
I've had an account there 4 years so maybe I'm just bitter, I do remember how many of the people who post in the hand analysis forums seem way more interested in pointing out peoples flaws rather than actually trying to help them
Hey, now that you mention it
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
apparently Phil Ivey took all his winnings from one of the lesser WSOP tournaments (Stud or Hi-Lo or something) and tipped it to the dealers.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
So I will be paying a visit to the land of tipping next week. So remind this poor soldier, what do you tip in bars? In the distant past I remember it being something like one dollar a round, but I bet this has changed.
Also, is 15% the minimum tip in restaurants now?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 28 April 2011 10:29 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. 20% for very good service.
Drinks: a dollar a drink for the first round, unless you're buying like six drinks - then you could get away with tipping like three dollars. A dollar or two per round after that.
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 10:34 (twelve years ago) link
cheers.
was it always 15% minimum in restaurants?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 28 April 2011 11:10 (twelve years ago) link
it's mostly been 15% in my lifetime -- most servers take that to mean they were only ok though.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2011 11:12 (twelve years ago) link
10% for lunch, which my parents have adhered to rigorously
― br8080 (dayo), Thursday, 28 April 2011 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
i think the only times I've ever left 10% is where I've been left to nurse one beverage the entire meal (when it wasn't busy) or a server acted like a complete dick. which tbf was pretty rare.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2011 11:15 (twelve years ago) link
I do hate though how at Golden Corral how you can't add the tip to your credit card. Twice I wound up there and forgot I needed cash to tip and wound up either having to stiff the waiter or leave a ridiculous assortment of coins.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2011 11:16 (twelve years ago) link
At the danger of reactivating the great ILX Tipping debate, why do you leave any tip if the server acted like a complete dick?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 28 April 2011 11:58 (twelve years ago) link
Because tips are often pooled, with dishwashers and other staff getting tipouts from the tips collected by the waitstaff (and these tipouts often explicitly make up part of their wages, which otherwise would be below minimum wage)
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
i.e. by stiffing the waitron you stiff other innocent parties
About tipping calculators...all of you seem to detest them. I use them so that I don't put down too small of a tip.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
10%, double it, adjust down if required = easy
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:05 (twelve years ago) link
wish the government would reform restaurant laws already
― br8080 (dayo), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
It's 18% here, and I have dyscalcula. (I do add a random quarter or two.) Maybe I could start doing 20%, at least so I won't be seen with a tip calculator.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:28 (twelve years ago) link
I am slightly disappointed that Tracer Hand has offered a perfectly reasonable explanation for why we should still tip bad waiters.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno if it's perfectly reasonable, it's a terrible system that sucks mightily, but you have to do it.
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
christine!! the difference between 18% and 20% on a bill of $50 is one dollar! no need for calculator, just round down to the nearest even amount.
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
I'm married to a man who complains about $12 chinese buffet bills, so I'll probably never have a $50 restaurant bill in my entire life. But I will try out your method.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 April 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
My sister in England claims that not only are you not encouraged to tip there, but that some servers will take it as an insult. True/false?
Reportedly one reason Grant Achatz's new restaurant Next introduced a novel method of reservation by ticket is that it allows a more equitable (and legal) distribution of (mandatory) service charge among all the staff, front and back of the house, which tax law currently prohibits (I think).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 April 2011 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
haha false afaik, i tip at pretty much every meal
― just sayin, Thursday, 28 April 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
(altho i've only been in england for abt 4 years so maybe i've been doing it wrong + offending ppl)
Maybe it makes them feel like servants?
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 April 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
What do you guys think is customary for buffets? I usually do just like, a buck (if it's $7.95 or whatever), since all the server really does is give you your drink and take plates away. Or do you tip the same?
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
tip a few dollars, also depends on the ethnicity of the buffet
― br8080 (dayo), Thursday, 28 April 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
Buffet tip should be at least two bucks a person, more if the server was somehow distinctly great, and if it's some sort of upscale, pricey buffet thing then adjust those numbers because it's insulting to tip $2 on a $30 check no matter what. Although I have no idea what kind of buffet that would be! (Up front: I wait tables for a living. And it's in a hotel, so to be fair, there are opportunities to be good that go beyond keeping on top of drink refills and handling the check(s) quickly etc - - people ask for directions and recommendations in town and so on.)
My opinion here is also shaped by working in a place that only does buffet for breakfast on the weekends, which are hectic, long, break-free shifts in comparison to table service periods, just because the volume of customers goes way up without there necessarily being more servers on the floor. So the server may actually be doing way more work in general to keep the general dining experience afloat. Yeah, less interaction with you individually, and none of the above is your idea, but the fact that you were able to get a clean table quickly, your drinks regularly refilled without you having to ask, the dirty plates out from under your elbows fast, your checks split up and cashed out promptly.... all of that is down to the staff generally staying on top of everything.
Anyway, what I'm getting at is that, if it's just a buck a head, they are doing a lot more sweating and running around in order to keep you fed, and getting tipped less on it.
This is also where that "you're tipping the support team as well" thing comes into play. We don't do that at my place but lord, I wish we had at least one busser/food-runner on buffet shifts. We had that at a place I used to work at and things went a lot smoother, I didn't mind tipping those guys out in the slightest.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 April 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
I tip the same.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 April 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
for the record I don't think I've ever gotten a waitress who was able to refill the drinks "on time"...usually you have to wait 5-10 minutes. but I'm just talking about one place in particular; i guess maybe it shouldn't be any different? I dunno...I've had this debate before, in the end the whole culture of tipping is kinda ridiculous
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:05 (4 hours ago) Bookmark
^^^ been doin this for years
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
for the record I don't think I've ever gotten a waitress who was able to refill the drinks "on time"...usually you have to wait 5-10 minutes.
Well, that's lousy! But I take pride in being a big refill-anticipator. You find satisfaction in the small things in this line of work I guess.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
????
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
re. the ethnicity thing.
I have recently been chided by my girlfriend, an ex-barista, for not routinely tipping at coffee shops. I mean, sometimes I throw a buck in the tip jar, but I haven't -- until now -- been routinely doing a dollar-a-drink like I do at bars. GF notes that making a cappuccino or espresso is more work than pulling a pint, and barista wages are no more than bartender wages, so tips should be commensurate. This makes sense to me and now I feel guilty.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
(and I just read the barista tipping guide up above, which I'm sure my girlfriend would endorse)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
I don't feel guilty! They're not waitstaff, and I don't tip the guy who makes my sandwich at the deli.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I mean ... where the line exactly is between "server" and "service employee" is hard to say. But I get the analogy to bartenders. Especially if you're actually drinking the coffee at the coffeeshop. Getting it to go might be more like getting food to go (when I usually don't tip, except maybe a buck or so).
But anyway. More to the point for me is my girlfriend will think I'm a Bad Person if I don't tip in coffee shops, so that's worth avoiding.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
A buck! A buck is what I would tip for a cocktail, you say it like that's the LEAST you would put in. This is a fucked up world in which coffee servers need to be tipped. Not to say that frothing milk and making lattes and stuff isn't work, but...how is the CUSTOMER supposed to know that their employer isn't paying them minimum wage??
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
I meant I tip a buck or so for pick-up food, not coffee. (Though there's probably a whole etiquette discussion there, too.)
And I think baristas really are supposed to make minimum wage. Whether they do or not might vary, I don't know. Otoh, minimum wage isn't much.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 April 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
i tip baristas, the cute ones at least
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
whenever I tip a barista, they always say "why are you pushing me"
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
No, but wait a second: the mandate to tip servers/waitstaff is because there's a pre-existing labor model in place in which they are paid WELL under min wage under the assumption that tips will make up the difference (and potentially more). We don't tip them JUST BECAUSE they don't make "a lot" of money. There's a specific tacit agreement.
Making min wage is, god knows, not a comfortable place to be in any way, but it's not up to the customers to make it up to the servers?
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's not. that's why you don't have to tip baristas.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
...Which is what I'm saying. Tipsy has personal reasons to keep his gf sweet and happy by being not-an-asshole in her eyes, so he tips. I'm kind of reacting to the suggestion that we should all be doing it. Because I'm reactionary like that, at least on days ending in -y and on which I'm really really bored.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
I tip for a complicated coffee drink and/or food that requires prep but not for drip coffee and a muffin on a plate.
I wouldn't argue that's the right way to do it, mind you. It's just the way I roll. There's a sandwich shop in my building and I sometimes stop for a drip coffee ($1.77) and I never put he change in the change jar, because it's like the arbitrary line I've drawn, and the cashier hates me.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i mean i usually do it if it's convenient (i.e. i pay with a card and there's a signable receipt with a tip space) but i don't really feel bad if i don't do it.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
the beginning of this thread was funny
― buzza, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
A buck! A buck is what I would tip for a cocktail, you say it like that's the LEAST you would put in. This is a fucked up world in which coffee servers need to be tipped.
you do see how there's more work in a latte than a beer though, right?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
whenever I tip a barista, they always say "why are you pushing me"― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:00 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:00 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i hope this post doesn't get lost
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
I SAID A COCKTAIL. THERE'S MORE WORK IN THAT TOO.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'M GLAD WE AGREE.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
BUT EVEN SO, IF IT WERE A WELL MADE COCKTAIL WITH GOOD SPIRITS I WOULD PROB DROP A COUPLE BUCKS, AND SO I AM COMING INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE ARGUMENT THAT I SHOULD DROP A COUPLE BUCKS FOR A GOOD COMPLICATED COFFEE DRINK AND MAYBE DROP A GEORGE FOR A BLACK COFFEE.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
IF SHE'S CUTE.
so on average, the more attractive you are, the more tips you get??hmmm interesting
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
But How do you tip at a bar? Do you lay the extra money down on the bar, or what?
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
change it into quarters, try to flip them into a glass behind the counter
bartenders love customers who are "fun"
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
Never got into bar games much, though. In fact, I've never drank at a bar.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:36 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is still really the main thing isn't it
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
The place where I am confused about tipping is at a stylist. I can't tell if I am way overtipping or not. $45 haircut + $20 tip = I feel confused every time. This is probably standard? Or not??? My sister-in-law who is a stylist will talk about clients who leave tips in the hundreds, or pay her in airline tickets, and I am like 'wtf is going on???'
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I think the triple-digit tips aren't a regular thing but I am still ––– ––– ––––––––––––– ––– you know?
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
The safest rule to follow in all tipping situations is "assume 15-20% or $1/unit" (the latter being for instances like buying drinks at the bar; $1/drink)
I'd say you're overtipping by the baseline rules, but if that's the amount you want to leave then leave it; the reason your SIL is talking about those specific tips is because they are extravagant and ridiculous (and, in the case of the plane tickets, potentially gross; is the client expecting to fly with her???? ew)
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
No no no I'd probably tip like $10 on that, Abb, if that gives you any perspective. Might tip $20 if the cut was over...$60? Or thereabouts.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:54 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
i mean honestly a friendly demeanor regardless of cuteness is the biggest thing, buuuuuut yeah this too
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
the reason your SIL is talking about those specific tips is because they are extravagant and ridiculous (and, in the case of the plane tickets, potentially gross; is the client expecting to fly with her???? ew)
haha Dan it is a wonder I ever figure anything out. This makes perfect sense. I think the person who tipped her plane tickets had a cheap hookup (worked for an airline) & just knew she would appreciate it, no crepe.I am always an overtipper. Tipping just makes me nervous!
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
Also, man, that extra dollar (or I guess $10 extra dollars for my stylist!), that makes a person so happy. Really no big deal to throw down $1 extra and that person hooks you up forever.
My reasoning actually on that styling tip – the first time I saw her I tipped $10 ($10 plus an extra dollar). But then Jenny upthread said $10 was the proper tip for a free bang trim that literally took less time to do than any song from "Double Nickels on the Dime." So why should that, and something that takes an hour, get the same tip? It made no sense to me.
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
Well that's really the thing about tipping; you should tip what you feel comfortable leaving. The "rules" are really guidelines.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
I'm never sure what to tip at a place with counter service, where you order and pay at the counter but then they bring the food to your table. And per the immediate above, I'm not sure what to tip the stylist when I bring my daughter in for her free bang trim. I mean, the haircut itself only costs $10!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
OTOH $10 for the bang trim made no sense to me! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9lv_WqK6k
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah in general if you tip well at a bar and are friendly to the bartenders they really do hook you up
I played bar dice numerous times with bartenders who would intentionally tank the game, great times
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
I have never actually gotten anything back form bartenders. But we always tip way too nicely at the pizza place down the street & last night the owner gave us a p deluxe pizza & two beers for about $15 less than he should have. Very nice.
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
I meant I tip a buck or so for pick-up food, not coffee.
servers still often have to tip out on to-go orders, which i get most ppl dont really realize, but its always fun to lose money on an order
― dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
But then Jenny upthread said $10 was the proper tip for a free bang trim that literally took less time to do than any song from "Double Nickels on the Dime." So why should that, and something that takes an hour, get the same tip?
Because the trim is free.
(My stylist charges $40 for a haircut; I leave her $50.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 28 April 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
― dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
really? i did not know this.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 28 April 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
servers still often have to tip out on to-go orders, which i get most ppl dont really realize, but its always fun to lose money on an order― dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:40 PM Bookmark
― dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:40 PM Bookmark
this can't get stated enough. One of my MANAGERS actually remarked that "hey, the whole reason I *order* food to-go is so I don't have to tip! Ha ha!" and I just about stabbed the guy. People who go to sit-down restaurants and order to-go food HAVE TO TIP at least a couple bucks. It's like, yeah, you're not sitting down and getting refills and as much checking-in, but the server (who has actual tables, who they are trying to GIVE attention to) is taking time away from that to run around and get your to-go order together, including all the behind-the-scenes service (making sure it's made right, arguing with the cook when it's not, including the condiments you might want, putting the ice cream in a separate styrofoam thing so it doesn't melt as fast etc etc) - - c'mon!
sorry, sore spot, carry on y'all.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 April 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
also, would like to add that I think most people are basically decent tippers, and that the reason tipping conversations spin rapidly out of control is that servers of course are hyper-aware of the bad tippers, who, while not a majority, are way more numerous than the good tippers realize. So you get into the conversation and a server's going on and on about these bad tippers and you figure they have to be talking about you, but it's really about the two different tables they had last night that tipped them $4 on a $50 check or what have you.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if the tipping out on to-go orders is the same everywhere. For instance, where I worked, the bartender did all to-go orders, but they got paid minimum wage in addition to their bar tips. and even being a former server, I think it's pretty lame to tip someone for just handing you a bag.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
but you are right, bad tippers that think "oh who gives a fuck, other people will make up for my bad tip" don't realize many many people operate under the same assumption and there are nights people can get heavily screwed.
In regards to the question way upthread about why I tip even if the server is a dick, my reason has nothing to do with them tipping out, it's really just like I try to understand that nobody's perfect, and everyone can have an off night. however, if the server is so rude to the point where I'm offended to never wanting to set foot in the building again, that's a different story, but I'd likely be getting a manager at that point (note: never had to do this in my entire life as of yet).
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
as far as 'reforming' the tip system (in an earlier thread...sorry, can't post from work), I don't think it needs reform. Servers probably would make less under a new system.
and honestly, I think they deserve what they make. It's not a 'hard' job in that you don't have to know complex mathematical equations, have an MBA, or be a rocket scientist, but it is a difficult job because you have to multitask nonstop for a long shift, often with little to no stoppage. And often you're sacrificing your nights and weekends. It's mentally taxing and a job I could never do again.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
seriously my customer service jobs were way harder than what i'm doing now making twice the pay, and i was always well above minimum & never had to split tips. that labor law allows people to get away with paying what they do for service work is not fucking right.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
meant to say 'more difficult,' a good distinction
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
true. to clarify what I meant when I said "deserve what they make", i was referring to the servers that make 12-20$ an hour or more off their tips, of which they're a lot of them.
in struggling restaurants, though, like I worked in...it sucks
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
$10 for the bang trim takes into account the freeness of the service, yeah. But I think it's reasonable to adjust the bang trim tip to the cost of the haircut, although I would still tip $5 on a bang trim when the hair cut is $10, because it's a nice thing that stylists do for free.
I tip 20% on a haircut/color, but that is because I pay fancy-salon-in-the-big-city prices (ie out the wazoo) for the services, so 20% is a hefty tip. $50 for a $40 haircut is more than 20%, but that is logical and also a nice round number.
I don't know. This all makes sense to me!
And I always tip on take out orders. Every restaurant where I've worked, servers were responsible for packing up take out orders, which means stopping what you're doing (ie waiting on seated tables who are going to pay you based on your perceived worth and skill as a tableside server) to fart around with bags and plastic forks and little fucking styrofoam ramekins of salad dressing and arrrrrrrrgggggggg. So yeah, that definitely deserves a tip in my book.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
There is no way in sweet fuck I would ever ever tip a hairdresser. They must get paid well - they charge minimum $60 for a wash/cut where I go and it can extend well above $140 for colouring and cut. Tipping them!? Why.
― Concubine Tree (Trayce), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
Local custom, really.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
tip a few dollars, also depends on the ethnicity of the buffet????― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, April 29, 2011 12:33 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkre. the ethnicity thing.― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, April 29, 2011 12:33 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
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haha sorry for the crypto-racist remark. but uh, if it's a chinese buffet and all the waitstaff are chinese, I pretty much assume that anything I tip is going straight into the pockets of management, that the waitstaff are probably getting paid a fixed rate under the table, and that chinese people don't expect you to tip anyway. sooooooooo
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
I tipped my stylist here after the 2nd haircut I got from him, but I think it made him uncomfortable because after my 3rd and 4th haircuts by him he immediately disappears when it's time to pay the cashier
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, April 29, 2011 1:23 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah but it's been made clear that tipping is not about giving money in proportion to work done, it's about giving money to compensate for fucked up wage laws. do you tip your airplane pilot?
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
^ if s/he's the pilot of a regional airline, I'd sure like to. They make around $14k/year.
― Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
Airline pilots are hideously underpaid - http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009/06/16/pilot-pay-want-to-know-how-much-your-captain-earns/.
xp
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah tbh the poor-pay thing is why the only people I do tip are taxi drivers. Sure a lot of them are shit and dont know where they're going but when they do, and the cab is clean and theyre friendly and knowledgeable I'll tip em, because I know they get ripped off hardcore by the taxi directorate (something horrible like they only end up making $7 an hour after all the money's skimmed off for the directorate, their cab manager, petrol/maintenance etc)
― Concubine Tree (Trayce), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
well I did not know that! I'll have the flight attendant bring a 20 to the cockpit
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
I was pretty shocked to learn how much flight attendants at cathay pacific, a well known and respected international airline, make. but they get a lot of free comps and perks.
but still, shifting the burden of proper compensation onto the consumer is the greatest trick the devil ever pulled. those fatcats are laughing all the way to the bank
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
xp Not every hairdresser makes that kind of money--I've never paid more than $20 (US) for a haircut.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 29 April 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
I would never go to a $20 haircut place.
― Concubine Tree (Trayce), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
(its the one thing I'm snobby about - my hair is... difficult)
Ehhh, this whole discussion, when it becomes inter-national, gets weird. I've lived in NY for 10 years, used to tipping, fine, 'most everything gets 20%, no thought involved.
Weird thing is going to Australia and paying fucking $11 for a sandwich (vs $6) or $4 for a coffee (vs $2). Tres expensive, but also fine UNTIL Australians come to the US and wonder why American sandwiches and coffee are cheap!? Cos the cost of labor isn't factored in! So just pay proper tips and shut up.
― paulhw, Friday, 29 April 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
I always assumed that was a big part of it, sure.
But where the frick are you buying $11 sandwiches from!?
― Concubine Tree (Trayce), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
When you calculate your tip at the end of a meal do you just do it re the total amount or the amount pre-tax and any other additions? I dunno if it even makes much difference but just wondered.
― Not the real Village People, Friday, 29 April 2011 05:48 (twelve years ago) link
I calculate before tax
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:08 (twelve years ago) link
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, April 29, 2011 12:19 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
this is not an either/or proposition. it's primarily to compensate for fucked up wage laws and partially to reward for extra work well done--this is why there's a social 'standard' of 15%--to compensate for wage laws--while plenty of people tip more to reward a job well done.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
*tips you 5% for that post*
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:30 (twelve years ago) link
do you tip your library circ counter worker when they track down a particularly hard volume to find for you
do you tip your subway sandwich artist
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
ill tip fast food workers sure
― Turn Off the Cold (Lamp), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:35 (twelve years ago) link
dudes have p much the worst jobs in the service industry so
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― br8080 (dayo), Friday, April 29, 2011 6:30 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no, because they're volunteering--first part of the two part compact doesn't apply.
do you tip your subway sandwich artist― br8080 (dayo), Friday, April 29, 2011 6:31 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, April 29, 2011 6:31 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
have you noticed they have a tip jar? and yeah i have used it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
library workers are volunteers???
where do you draw the line
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:50 (twelve years ago) link
THIS IS MADNESS, MAN
MADNESS
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think library employees are necessarily going to be volunteers. Maybe in small towns?
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
it 100% depends on the library/library system; my mom's library used to turn away volunteers because a short-lived experiment with using them showed they couldn't grasp the concept of shelving books (! btw, as an employee's kid I often got roped into shelving books when I was in grade school and it was the easiest fucking thing to figure out) but, more importantly, most of them thought "working in the library" meant "curling up in a corner with their favorite book and reading"
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
i tip my priest tbrr
― So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah for some reason i misread dayo's post as "library volunteer," that was my bad, but it didn't reg as weird cause where i grew up the library staff was half volunteer & half paid
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
― So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Friday, April 29, 2011 3:16 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark
i mean dude is delivering yr salvation imo
Well, we know this now we've all read the ILX threads, but it's not always easy for foreigners to know that kind of thing. Especially coming from an Anglophone country so you don't even need to buy a phrase book which might have tipping info in.
Plus I think Britishers and Australians both have an idea that everything is unusually expensive in our own countries - I know Aus can be pretty expensive with the cost of importing so much, and the UK always used to be a lot more expensive than other European countries, not so much these days tho - so when we go abroad and everything seems ridiculously cheap we're too busy going "well of course it is, this is awesome" to think about it much.
(I went to the US pre-ILX and tipped my usual British 10-12% and not at all on drinks - not that I spent much time in bars without eating - so god knows what was said about me behind my back. Sorry to the good people of California, 1999)
― russ conway's game of life (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
dad tipped me off on tipping bartenders when i was over there- result was instant & copious buybacks.
Priest never even threw me a free confession tho so f/that
― So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
is it customary in Australia to tip cows?
― frogbs, Friday, 29 April 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
only in their individual units of steak
― So seveir, no more beir (darraghmac), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
Well, we know this now we've all read the ILX threads, but it's not always easy for foreigners to know that kind of thing.
yusss. things are often bizarrely differently priced in different countries for no immediately apparent reason, so an Australian's first thought in America would probably be "Strewth, coffee is very cheap here, wonder what it's like with beer".
a friend's father was in the USA for some kind of work exchange reasons and he started hanging around in a bar and chatting to the friendly bartender. On the second or third time he was there, the bar tender said to him "Listen Bob, there's no easy way of saying this, but in this country people tip bar tenders".
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 April 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
Ordering an $11 sandwich in Australia, but not having to tip gave me the same comfortable feeling of going to a liquor store in my state and seeing that sales tax is already figured into the listed price. Everyone getting paid + me not having to do math in my head = always a good thing.
(Sales tax also already in the price in AUS. No pennies either. I could do math in my head all day long down there.)
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 29 April 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
I suspect this was discussed already upthread, but how do you deal with tipping on alcohol with a meal? Confusing because you could drop 20 bucks on a bottle or 200, and it is the same amount of work, but if you tip based on total dinner bill wtf to do here.
― quincie, Friday, 29 April 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I am always afraid of undertipping so I just do 20% on the full bill.
I think the idea is 20% on the full bill, which is why my Mormon mom would push drinks harder than anyone back when she w3aited tables.
― offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 29 April 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I agree, but hard to justify the tip differential on a 20 vs. a 200 dollar bottle of wine! There is one cork to open, period! I mean maybe your server brings you fancier glasses for the pricier bottle. . .
― quincie, Friday, 29 April 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's definitely the full bill, that's why we were always asked to offer margaritas at every table, because it benefitted "both of us"
― suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
also I think this thread is now breaking down into a "tip for specific function" discussion which is overanalyzing it a bit.
― suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
I've never tipped bartenders a dollar or more a drink just because of our national situation paying wages to food and drink service people, but because of my selfish desire that they notice me the next time I go up for another round of drinks.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 29 April 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry, to answer:
$11 sandwich? Some cafes in inner Sydney. (As a random thought, I expected meat pies to be...$2?, like picking up a pizza slice in NY. They were double that! Soda was often $2-3!)
I've never experienced a buyback. Not once in 11 years. Maybe I don't stay at the same bar long enough? Usually only two drinks or so? I tip normally (dollar on beer, two on cocktail)... maybe bartenders just don't like the look of me? Do you have to strike up a conversation?
― paulhw, Friday, 29 April 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
― quincie, Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:01 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah but again tipping has little correlation with amount of actual work done. like no matter what main dishes you order, the waiter is gonna expend the same amount of energy/effort bringing that to your table, yet the final tip will be different. so *shrug*
― br8080 (dayo), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
That's a good point, dayo. Like, you don't tip on the cheapest entree on the menu if you ordered the surf and turf under the reasoning that it's no more difficult to bring a plate of steak and lobster to your table than it is to bring you a chicken caesar salad.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
Exactly. I mean, if a food runner brings your food to you and not the waiter, you don't deduct 2.5% from the tip.
― suge knight rider (Neanderthal), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
as evidenced by the yelp thread, caring too much about service makes you a YELPER. just pay 20% and be done with it
― br8080 (dayo), Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
That's a good point, dayo. Like, you don't tip on the cheapest entree on the menu if you ordered the surf and turf under the reasoning that it's no more difficult to bring a plate of steak and lobster to your table than it is to bring you a chicken caesar salad.― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, April 29, 2011 7:48 PM Bookmark
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, April 29, 2011 7:48 PM Bookmark
Funny thing: chicken caesar is more work at my place! Servers have to chop up the romaine, toss with dressing and parmesan, plus sprinkle with croutons. I take pride in not making 'em too goopy.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 1 May 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
in vegas last year, won $50 on a slot machine, figured I'd celebrate by buying three shots of Crown for myself and my brothers, only to find out that while alcohol was free in the casino, the bar prices were ridiculously expensive, and it wound up being $42 for the three shots, which kinda shellshocked me and I only ended up tipping the three extra bucks, to which the bartender said "not cool, man", was I justified in taking my tip off the table then?? because I'm still iffy on it.
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/49/dawson_crying.gif
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs is about to officially become an ilxor
― british sb power (dayo), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
taking the tip away: not sure if it's right, but it sure is funny!
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
i guess he can complain because i only tipped like 8% but really the interaction was like this - we sit down, wait a few minutes while he chats with other customers, order the shots, bartender takes like 20-30 seconds to fill the order, goes back to talking with other customers, then tells me off. in the local bars here a shot of crown is like $3-4 so tipping $3 on that is quite good, even though they do the same amount of work.
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
I'm wondering on what planet 42+3=50
― aero w. smith (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
um I don't think you get the point of celebrating a win
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
Considering you gave them the money right back, I'd say the only 'winner' was the casino
― aero w. smith (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
But hey, get that 8 bucks invested in a CD fast!
― aero w. smith (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
cmon, you're not talking to captain lorax
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
I'm more of a downloader at this point
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
do you think I'm "just now figuring out" how casinos make their money
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
I think you're right and the bartender did not deserve more than $3 for pouring 3 shots but otoh you should be more mad about wasting $42 and less mad about the bartender
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
CD=certificate of deposit xxpost
― aero w. smith (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
bartenders are horribly spoiled, overpaid people
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
just in general
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Neanderthal I got that, thanks for the heads up
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
So you download investment instruments?
― aero w. smith (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
hmmmm. lets start again
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
i do have another question but everyone's gonna call me a racist prick for it so first I need to ask, has anyone else here ever worked in the service industry?
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
is this about "canadians"?
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
dont ask it yet i got some popcorn somewhere
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
This is gonna be abt Spaniards, right.
― boxall, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
No. There isn't one person on this board who has ever in their life worked in the service industry.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
i'm talking about people reading this thread right now but thank you
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
all shall be answered within:
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xpost - oh. i see.
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i've worked service industry but over here we have a system known as 'wages' that really prevents us having any sense of duty towards the customer
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
I did a lifetime ago but will never again
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
Basically I'm wondering which races/demographics you guys think tip the best and the worst
I've heard this brought up several times at parties and such and it seems like there is one in particular that always seems to stiff the workers to the point that even people of that race hate being assigned to those tables
I have my own experiences but I was wondering what you guys think
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
i do have another question but everyone's gonna call me a racist prick for it so first I need to ask, has anyone else here ever worked in LAS VEGAS?
fixed this for you to correct for the actual variable in your story
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.imagepourblog.fr/wp-content/uploads/michael-jackson-popcorn.gif
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
i have a good idea of what you're about to experience xxp
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
...wow!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
I think I know what you're getting at frogbs
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
is it the BLACKS
BLACK PEOPLE
in my somewhat limited experience this is usually an effect related to highly-localized or even neighborhood-related culture, especially in larger cities where people of different social/ethnic groups are more localized in some neighborhoods than others and tend to either have different local cultures, or they are more likely to be jerks when they leave their area
but you can go on about black people or whoever being specifically cheap and make it about race
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
no wait maybe it's lesbians
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
looool
xps: my bet wld be 'se azns' but w/e this is... not a great thread to be reading is it?
― Lamp, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
wait someone said that before, maybe on this very thread, right
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
i cant remember did they get sb'd too but im gonna say ya
said bartender is disgusting savage imo
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Rednecks are the worst tippers.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol azns are horrible tippers its true
― british sb power (dayo), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/DDMBW.gif
― bnw, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
It depends on the race of the folks they're tipping though.
― boxall, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
while this thread is open I guess I'll contribute
my parents' fridge broke down earlier this year and they got a new one from sears
when they took delivery of it my dad was gonna tip em but realized that they didn't have any cash in the house since they always paid using credit card
finally my dad found $10 in ones and gave it to the two dudes (who had just shlepped in a giant refrigerator)
he tried to tell me it was okay because the one dollar bills were new from the bank and some of them were even consecutively numbered
kinda lol, kinda sad
― british sb power (dayo), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
boxall with a quality point
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
You're talking about German tourists, right? RIGHT?
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
Second worst tippers: my grandparents (they're white btw)
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
Third worst tippers - high school kids in large groups.
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
when whites do things it doesn't count
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
yeah you got it pretty quickly which is making me wonder if/why this is a real stereotype, and yeah mh there's cultural differences but I've heard this SO MUCH regardless of how big the city is, and I don't think it's an issue of being cheap at all
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
I left some cash for my mom to tip the guys who delivered my washer/dryer, because that is a lot of work.
The dudes who dropped off my new tv, which I could easily carry by myself and wasn't a difficult task, didn't get a tip even though I agonized over it for the next day or so. Probably should have given them a $10.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
wtf jenny some of my very best friends are white ppl fyi
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
no no no
I used to have to sneak back to the table and leave extra $$$ when I'd go out to eat with my grandfather. Now I just tell him I'm expensing the entire meal.
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
you are the most boring troll of all time
xxxxp
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
See when ppl gave me bad tips I just kidnapped their children
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
the other group is middle aged white women btw
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
bet they're ugly, too. lesbians, maybe?
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah you got it pretty quickly which is making me wonder if/why this is a real stereotype,
As to why - confirmation bias. If you're serving 5 times as many white customers, you're not going to notice the ebb and flow of tips as you would with groups you serve less.
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
middle aged woman isn't a race is a state of mind your manners young man
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241
Hey look there might be institutionalized reasons related to this that aren't directly correlated to skin color
It's like if you put "black people tipping" in google, this discussion has actually happened a multitude of times
keep up the insight, frogbs, I would like to know why you think black people don't tip
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
Good thing there's no Blacks or women on ILX
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
milo - i doubt that's true. it's not like blacks are the only other race out there
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
when I worked at a golf course the worst tippers were the people who played golf
― british sb power (dayo), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Or tippers
xxp
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
what other races are out there, frogbs
I liked to break down my serving biases into microcultures - civil servants on lunch break, businessmen from out of town serving, middle-aged women who wanted to flirt, middle-aged women who didn't want to flirt, those assholes in town for a Christian revival who tipped with pamphlets (actually happened, still pissed 11-12 years later), midgets, midget-porn fetishists, etc.
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
lesbian isn't a race btw
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/27/article-1188882-051AEBAE000005DC-540_306x506.jpg
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
businessmen from out of town eating on the company dime*
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
it's not like blacks are the only other race out there
other than.... other than.... *head explodes*
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
Best tippers - New York Yankees catchers, deceased guitarists for Pantera
Worst tippers - my deadbeat friends
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241Hey look there might be institutionalized reasons related to this that aren't directly correlated to skin colorIt's like if you put "black people tipping" in google, this discussion has actually happened a multitude of timeskeep up the insight, frogbs, I would like to know why you think black people don't tip
that article doesn't really answer it but yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm looking for.
honestly, I have no idea, that's why I brought it up because it's kind of a weird thing. in my experience as a bartender they aren't exactly cheap people and I'm not sure if there are cultural issues or what they could be
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
True story: I worked at this terrible redneck bar in NC and on my third or so shift, I got a six top of mostly black people and my fellow server asked me if I would be okay and I was like yeah, six top no biggie, we're not busy and she was like. No. Are you going to be okay? Because they were black, see.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs waiting a table:
"So I couldn't help but notice your Blackness. Will you be tipping these evening?"
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
hey why don't you take this shit into another thread? if you're going to whine could you at least try to be funny?
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs waiting a table:"So I couldn't help but notice your Blackness. Will you be tipping these evening?"
man you guys are the fucking worst
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Modest Mickey of this site once emailed me a letter he wanted proofread that he was going to give to his manager. The letter told his manager he was upset with her for having alleged black people are bad tippers. He asked for tips about the letter and I said, "make it about five pages shorter."
― free inappropriate education (Abbbottt), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
it's nagl on my part, i know, piling on, but if you're going to post could you try not to be so mindnumbingly stupid?
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
Untippable Blackness
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
they aren't exactly cheap people
they... people
dude
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
well what am I supposed to say? are you really going to get into a "you people" argument?
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"
And if you don't get why that sounds bad...
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
dude it's a real issue as has been confirmed quite a few times ITT and I was just wondering if this is a real stereotype or if the people I know were just being dumb, what the fuck are you on about
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, June 20, 2011 8:54 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
^ knows the deal
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
it is indeed a real issue that has been crying out for your incisive commentary
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
omg what am i doing i need an ilx break don't i
Maybe frogbs is doing field research so he can play Pino in "Do the Right Thing: Te Musical"
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"And if you don't get why that sounds bad...
then enlighten me, what am I supposed to say?
you're definitely trying to lead me to post something about the cheapness of blacks or whatever, I'm just saying I don't think that's the issue at all
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
wait haven't you posted that, i mean exactly that
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
not tipping well != cheap
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://thevegasclubs.com/images/10_tipping.jpg
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
i think the point is that if you really given any thought to racial/racist stereotypes especially in a public forum then you're inevitably gonna be seen as perpetuating them, wittingly or not.
cos the short simple answer is "racial stereotypes are stupid let's talk about something else"
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
you must be new here, frogbs
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
OK, I was talking about this with a friend of mine
I think the negative thing is that instead of explaining your experience with individuals and asking about it, you're about one step off of saying "they are not (a) cheap people." While there is a "black culture" in the US, it's not monolithic, although you're right -- some cultural things like how much to tip seem to vary.
But this entire beating around the bush and acting like it's a racial thing is... not really the way to approach cultural issues.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
"They're not cheap, they just spend their money on courvousier"
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
always found poor people to be mcuh worse tippers & people than any specific race tbh
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno i find a lot of not poor people are excruciatingly mean when it comes to tipping after a meal but this is back in lol britishes territory, which is odd since we are notoriously whiter than american whites
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
what I'm wondering if why or if this is a cultural thing. that article did imply that blacks tip less though the margin is not as eye-popping as people have made it sound. i was part of an international club in college and a lot of them weren't really good tippers since they didn't have that culture there. that I understand. when we're talking about people who have been in this country their whole lives it gets a little more confusing
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
i never found this true at all. poor people in general seemed to tip more than rich people in my experience. maybe that's why they were poor.
wtf are you winding me up guvnor qeII don't mean shit to me bruv xxp to nv
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
I got plenty of bad tips from enough people to know there was never a pattern to it
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
i was using britishes in the american sense of "everybody living between Greenland and Moscow"
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
People who have been in the country their whole lives don't necessarily have the same experiences, though.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
Why are all the popcorn gifs of black people?
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
you'll excuse me for having national memory of when this was p much the british sense as well, john bull
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
alright i admit it i long for the return of the british empire
― j/k lacan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
I guess the whole thing could be a self-perpetuating cycle though - like I said I've heard it so much by people in the service industry that I'm guessing they don't really get great service, which leads to them leaving smaller tips...I remember reading something on this board about how there really was a race issue, it seems like it's really just a shitty one that's self-perpetuating all the less
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
I def did notice some patterns w/tips when I delivered for Jimmy John's in lolcollege but eh don't see the point of talking about ancecdotal stuff like that really
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's a bit late to put "the whole thing" down to "a self-perpetuating cycle". Subjects don't "self-perpetuate", people make sure they they keep making the rounds and here it is you, sir, that is keeping the wheels in motion. xp
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.arthursclipart.org/children/babiescol/shock.gif
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
self-perpetuating Sbcycle
― Aerosol, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
there's a world outside of ILX you know
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Whoa shut the hell up
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
thank god you're here to explain it to us\
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
Guys don't be startled by that noise it is probably just the scales falling from my eyes
keep going horseshoe you'll make the excelsior thread one day
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah horseshoe
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
keep going
i will say this tho: visigoths are surprisingly great tippers
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
Except when you make excelsior, frogbs, it's usually the setup...
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
― bill magill (milo z), Monday, June 20, 2011 3:50 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
truth bomb, but cut out the "third"
― the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
I SHOULD TAKE YOU OUT BY MY FENCE SO YOU WOULD SEE WHAT A GOOD POST LOOKS LIKE
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
Okay lol
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, June 20, 2011 4:18 PM Bookmark
Black people love popcorn. Can't believe you've never heard this.
There's even an article about it on the Internet.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
best tippers have got to be those who are deployed overseas - that's definitely one group of people who don't mind blowing a bunch of money very quickly
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
are you now inventing good tippers to provide new thread content?
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Ok I'm just speaking from anecdotal recent evidence but I have heard that generally the worst tippers are cunts who win $50 on slots, but I am not sure if that is officially a race I guess
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
where is horseshoe, i want her to keep going
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
that's basically what I was getting at all along but whatever keep pushing the race issue so you guys can get some more weak burns in
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
wait did I miss a post here where I was just posting anecdotal evidence
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
superfluous ecdot
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
Your progression was:
what races are the worst tippers -> yes I meant are black people bad tippers -> I really just wanted to know if it was a stereotype
The dodging is actually a lot worse than asking "Is there a stereotype that black people tip poorly?" Then again, you know that asking anything racially charged while being you is kind of a bad plan....
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
tbf he started with a moronically coy, guess which race is in my pocket? post
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
SURPRISE IT'S BLACK PEOPLE
is that a toy or not
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
"If you can guess which race I'm thinking of ... then which one of us is *really* the racist? Think abt it."
― boxall, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
WHICH RACE IS THE WORST TIPPERS
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
keep trying horseshoe, not good enough for excelsior yet
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
maybe someday youll be at frogbs level
― frogbs, maandag 20 juni 2011 23:24 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
Ok, listen up jokeboy: You are continuously - with a faux air of choir-boy naivety - aiming for confirmation of a certain idea you have. That black people tip less than white people. Iatee and others have already pointed out how ludicrous and racist both your notion, and the way you go about it, is. Yet you keep falling back on a "guys seriously, I am just wondering about this. Could it be true? There's websites mentioning it too!" stance. If you've not already concluded that what you are just wondering about, it means you are willingly continuing to push the stereotype, to keep this racist myth alive. To which I can only reply: fuck you.
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
cartmanesque tbf
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
Your progression was:what races are the worst tippers -> yes I meant are black people bad tippers -> I really just wanted to know if it was a stereotypeThe dodging is actually a lot worse than asking "Is there a stereotype that black people tip poorly?" Then again, you know that asking anything racially charged while being you is kind of a bad plan....
What, in your opinion, am I dodging? I've worked as a bartender and I've never noticed it and don't really have a reason to be racist. Yes I have heard people bring that up straight up and would have posted it that way if people here weren't so super sensitive about pretty much any type of race issue.
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Best = humans, worst = marmosets
Anyway, ime, worst tippers are tables w/a bunch of messy kids, followed by tables w/lots of ppl who split checks.
― Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
did modestmickey used to be a bartender? i'm getting a Let's contribute to jaymc.xls by listing everything/body that ILX has determined is racist kind of vibe
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
would have posted it that way if people here weren't so super sensitive about pretty much any type of race issue.
pro tip: then don't post about any type of race issue
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
first of all, wtf is this thing I'm 'continually' doing. i haven't concluded shit and if it was a racist myth there wouldn't be an NPR article about it
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
okay, let me seriously ask here, what do you guys think my motive is here? like what reason would I have to perpetuate some myth?
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, maandag 20 juni 2011 23:49 (35 seconds ago) Bookmark
Yeah because if things aren't true there wouldn't be people talking about it on the internet, right? Oh wait...
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
On to the next thread
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
xp so is your conclusion that NPR got bad data? that they're racially motivated?
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
if it was a racist myth there wouldn't be an NPR article about it
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/assets_c/2010/11/Boss_Thumbs_Up_gif-thumb-350x197-15764.gif
― ☂ (max), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, well, NPR doesn't hire black people.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
that's why it loves reviewing shit like Wilco
― frogbs, maandag 20 juni 2011 23:50 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark
Your motive seems to be gathering support for your racist preconceptions. But why the fuck ask us what your motives are?!
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Guys have I turned myself into troll-bait here?
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 June 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
oh i see you didn't read my posts then
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
What, in your opinion, am I dodging?
The fact that you are trying to turn it into a discussion about black people not tipping?
If you wanted to know if it was a stereotype, you could have asked that or even gone to google. It's not that you even really have racist intentions on this one, it's just that you left your material that would make the question sound neutral until the end: "I've only had experience as a bartender and black people tend to tip as well as anyone else, but at a party some server friends told me that there's a stereotype of black people tipping poorly."
IMO that sounds like a reasonable query, approaches race from the individual perspective standpoint, and doesn't dodge around. Instead it went from you being afraid to say the phrase "black people" into "hey black people tipped me well for drinks!"
So the way you're coming off is that you want affirmation of this belief, or you're just so clumsy when talking about race that it sounds that way
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
i was basically not trying to let this fall into "confirmation bias" as in if no one knew what the fuck I was talking about then I could assume the whole thing wasn't really anything. btw I didn't really say that i've been tipped well by black people but rather that I don't think or wouldn't guess that it's an issue of cheapness because that really does fall into some stupid racist bullshit which I was trying to steer the thread away from
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
So the way you're coming off is that you want affirmation of this belief
I don't really want affirmation of anything - tipping culture in general is pretty interesting to me, ultimately I tried to phrase things so that I didn't seem like I was racist but I'm not really good with that and given ILX's tendencies to make everything look worse than it really is I probably should have known better
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, have you served black people as a bartender? How did they tip?
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
mh - i wasn't referring to the tip there, what I mean here - and this is something that a lot of servers would probably back me up on - is that I don't think the issue of "cheapness" (which I'm assuming a lot of you are trying to make this thread about?) really defines how much a person tips. we're talking about places where people willingly pay $8 for a $1 dessert or $5 for a pint of beer that they know costs less than a buck - if people really wanted to be cheap they probably wouldn't go to restaurants or bars very often
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
I think you're confusing living cheaply versus being a cheap bastard.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
btw yeah I have served black people and they generally tipped alright unless the bill was really big, in which case you wouldn't get 10-15% but you'd get enough to make it worth your while, nothing I would have thought of before it was mentioned to me.
in general the idea of tipping 15% on bills that are big because of shots or other 'low-maitenance' items is really stupid anyway
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
well there's a difference between the guy who only orders the $1 tappers or whatever or the cheap rail mixers all day and just leaves a dollar vs. those who buy a bunch of shots and don't tip well
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
*sigh*. if you'd read upthread, you'd see the debate on this, but it's pretty dumb to change the proportion of your tip in regards to the amount of work done, because they still 'served' you regardless, and they have to tip out on those sales that they got.
don't like it, don't eat out...
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
btw the NPR story I posted is hilarious for several reasons, not least: - byline: "JUAN WILLIAMS" - last paragraph:
Lynn suggests that the American restaurant industry begin a campaign to inform people about the basics of leaving a tip. He urges the use of advertisements, educational pamphlets, and even putting tipping information on menus. And Lynn suggests that restaurants could introduce a game in which dining parties would have to tip at least 15 percent in order to be eligible to win a contest.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
I have worked at multiple restaurants that put gratuity guidelines at the bottom of the bill - auto-calculated 15% and 20% of the pretax total.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
that's become the standard at many of them around here too.
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
A lot of places in Montreal had these table-side card scanners that had buttons built in for 15/18/20. Pretty neat in that you could do the complete debit transaction right there.
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
I think there are a handful of places here that have those....not taken off though.
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
*sigh*. if you'd read upthread, you'd see the debate on this, but it's pretty dumb to change the proportion of your tip in regards to the amount of work done, because they still 'served' you regardless, and they have to tip out on those sales that they got.don't like it, don't eat out...
thats the thing. besides that thing I mentioned above, I usually do this anyway but I do question it. like if I'm drinking at a place with $1 mugs and I get five of them, I'll tip 2-3$ which is 40-60% but I don't know why it's dumb that the 'minimum' tip should be 15% regardless of how simple your order is or how inflated the prices
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
because there's a lot of uncredited shit that waitstaff/bartenders do that might not have to do specifically with your order, but it contributes indirectly?
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's a good point
i think the idea i'm getting is that tipping culture as a whole is kinda dumb
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
It'd make more sense if people were paid a reasonable wage and tipping was 100% merit, sure
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
the thing is though servers/bartenders would make less if they were paid wage + no tip. at least in good restaurants.
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
it really does suck waiting tables, too. stressful, tiring, you take it home w/ you, and pretty much have to sacrifice entire days quite often to work. I'm more than thankful for my full time, well paying job right now, where I have all nights free.
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
hey yall. whats goin on in this cool thread
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0OfuYBJa3Lg/R6bz5e-DcoI/AAAAAAAABsI/_qUcu2KQOA4/s400/tipping01.jpg
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
l-r: frogbs, mh, Neanderthal
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah despite what iatee says bartenders have to work super hard sometimes, its not like they always just sit around chatting and drinking with the customers. some friday/saturday nights we'd get absolutely slammed and it would be 4 hours of people yelling out drink orders and complaining that they're not getting served on time, with like 60 people at the bar despite there only being 30 seats, so there'd be no time at all for rest, tbf you would get tipped well on those days
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
Neanderthal - a black person? *destroys self*
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
well I do listen to a lot of rap, but no, I'm Powder ....
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
hmm. black people like rap? could it be true? is it because the lyrics are often "thuggish" or is it because it's good "dancing music"?
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
o what have i done ;_;
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
btw that post actually was pretty racist
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
actually it came off as being sarcastic about racism which isn't racist
but righto
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.chestees.com/uploads/products/uncomfortable_place_3.jpg
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
lol i had this dream that frogbs was becoming a better poster
― call all destroyer, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah despite what iatee says bartenders have to work super hard sometimes, its not like they always just sit around chatting and drinking with the customers. some friday/saturday nights we'd get absolutely slammed and it would be 4 hours of people yelling out drink orders and complaining that they're not getting served on time, with like 60 people at the bar despite there only being 30 seats, so there'd be no time at all for rest, tbf you would get tipped well on those days --frogbs
this all started w/ you being mad that a bartender thought you undertipped, you shoulda just been like "stfu dude I used to bartend and $3 is a fine tip for 3 shots, ps what are your opinions on black people"
― iatee, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ real talk
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
lol I love that frogbs is insinuating that we are the ones who keep on steering the discussion back to black people
― british sb power (dayo), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
well tbf originally we thought it was asians
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
i know I did anyway
I assumed he meant the british
― mh, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
ILX be Winehousin' up in this bitch, always back to black
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
Did no one think to ask J. Batman, Esq., his thoughts on tipping? I'm sure it would have made this latest query unnecessary.
― boxall, Monday, 20 June 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
i think someone did but he just didn't get the time
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
Might as well throw my 2cents into this shitstorm. People who find tipping complicated.. Sounds like they just don't make enough money to eat out at Applebees every night, probably should leave throwing money around to those who actually have it
― so confused (blank), Monday, 20 June 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
xpost he would have explained that female waiters didn't deserve tips just because they had breasts and the power to breed
― 2012 gtfolympics (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
tipping is sorta beta
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
alphas leave gratuities... gratuitously
― Dr. Frog, B.S., M.S.E., Ph.D (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
wrong, alphas tip themselves after meals
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
just the tip, for female waitstaff
― mh, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
i might as well post some racist shit after all everyone said about me
also, let's be frank on one thing, that on the other hand the Jews are pretty good tippers, you wouldn't think that but it's true
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
Why not just sit out on the topic you feel you've been wronged on if you want to keep posting?
― mh, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
because he has stuff to say about the jews
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
fuck off and go away
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
fact: i usually tip in chicharrónes. but i'm from bogotá, so, you know, par for el curso
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
this is what i post after a bad meal:
http://www.missionfoods.com/uploadedImages/Press_Room/Content/Our_Products/BBQ%20Chicharrones(2).JPG
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs' fatal flaw in this thread was starting the whole racist trolling off by pretending to care what other ppl think about the tipping of other races -- literally nobody cares about that
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
unless you're an actual racist! in which case, bravo
and this is the kind of shit i shove down your g-string after an especially awesome lap dance:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dkUlsUnvS7w/TQwCctBQ0kI/AAAAAAAAACk/nLch4jEXFDk/s1600/micota_31.jpg
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
i once tipped in origami elephants at a japanese restaurant, not a spur of the moment thing, i literally took an hour to learn how to do it
the server didn't appreciate it. she wasn't even japanese and didn't know what an elephant looked like
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
if you're a server you might care
― horseshoe, Monday, June 20, 2011 10:50 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
it's a little greasy, and you gotta be careful with the skewers. but man oh man, nobody says my people aren't muy generoso
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
If you're ever folding something into cute shapes to leave as a tip, it better be money.
― free inappropriate education (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, June 20, 2011 10:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
well if you're a racist server, sure
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
every time we get a tipping thread, things devolve into nonsense. can we get a moratorium on being mean, and go back to saying ridiculous made up shit? like, i once went to a restaurant where my sister was a server. i gave her a pack of menthol cigarettes as a tip. she was ripshit. later, at home, i gave her a twenty.
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
for the record I really was interested in this issue but good job guys
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
p.s. that didn't really happen. i love her, but i'd never have $20 to give my sister.
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, you may not be aware that tipping threads always turn into hurt feelers, and there's a long history of staying-the-fuck-away from them. see also: threads about race, rape, and anything that some dude named paul from san diego posts on.
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, June 20, 2011 11:00 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think the problem is, none of us are interested in this issue, unless it's w/r/t calling u racist
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
i have so many questions about the origami elephants story
― more delta than delta (symsymsym), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
it's better in your imagination i'm sure
Someone left me their kid's drawing as a tip once. It had an alien landing on the moon (with a U.S. falg? confusing grey narrative) and was captioned "breakfast was out of this world." I still get mad when I think about that shit.
― free inappropriate education (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
i'm really surprised that frogbs had to turn to ilx for a discussion on how different races tip -- i would've thought that would've been a hit topic at parties!
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
i recommend starting this discussion in your office
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, June 20, 2011 7:48 PM (16 minutes ago)
fuck off and die
― more delta than delta (symsymsym), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
― free inappropriate education (Abbbottt), Monday, June 20, 2011 11:04 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
awww
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
i mean frogbs yer kinda acting like a martyr here, your first statement before you launched into this was "I know you all are gonna label me a racist prick", then it happened and you act surprised.
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs there are other places on the internet where you can have this discussion and they will think you are bold and brave for 'telling it like it is'/'not being afraid of political correctness' but everytime you attempt shit like this on ilx people will mock you back to 51.
this is just my controversial opinion but I don't think you're a horrible enough person that you should be permabanned but you def are a slow learner. when you have any other controversial 'un-pc' opinions on things, just post them on reddit or somethingawful or whatever.
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
i once went to a restaurant where my sister was a server. i gave her a pack of menthol cigarettes as a tip.
haha someone once left me some change and a couple of subway tokens. still not sure whether they mistook them for dimes or whether they meant to leave them. either way i appreciated it
― Dr. Frog, B.S., M.S.E., Ph.D (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
one time we gave a dude like 12 Disney tickets (we'd just got some as compensation for performing). I'm sure d00d was probably mad at first until he realized how much he could score on ebay for those.
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
(which is generally face value)
fire away
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:21 (twelve years ago) link
were the origami elephants black
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
i mean frogbs yer kinda acting like a martyr here, your first statement before you launched into this was "I know you all are gonna label me a racist prick", then it happened and you act surprised
i was only really half-serious with that, i know this forum is really sensitive to this kind of stuff and has the self-righteousness to label people racist for like any reason whatsoever but all these "fuck off and die" comments are a little surprising, especially coming from people who haven't contributed to this thread in like a year and literally have nothing else to say
like, I would think the sb system would prevent this type of crying but I don't know anymore
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:25 (twelve years ago) link
o i didn't realize its actually "self-righteousness"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
didn't realize u had to be an active contributor to the fucken tipping thread to call u out bro
Hi from Australia *waves some money then pockets it*
― Bloompsday (Trayce), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs i don't think you're like the devil or anything but I mean you act like you didn't know this was gonna happen. this isn't www.warmfuzziesmusictalkboard.com.org
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
maybe "fuck off and die" is a bit harsh, but if i HAD to pick one ilxor...
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:29 (twelve years ago) link
so, why wouldn't I/you think Jews are good tippers?
― more delta than delta (symsymsym), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:30 (twelve years ago) link
let's be frank
― more delta than delta (symsymsym), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
he's seen Woody allen movies
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
Not to this extent i didn't but i'm a little naive in matters like that. i have no doubt real racists exist I kind of grew up in a place that's desensitized to that as a result of everyone (like our parents) saying how terrible it was for people to hate one another for the color of their skin when we never actually hung out with people like that. I mean when I was in grade school I used to get bullied all the time for being Jewish, I heard pretty much everything you could hear but I'm not going to cry about people discriminating against the Jews because I know it's dishonest when they're really just looking for reasons to pick on anybody. Likewise even for a board like this I'm kinda taken aback by how trigger happy so many people are when there are, like, real racists out there. Basically youre right I should have known better and yeah I realize people are going to whine because of things I've posted in the past, but, still, you know
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
"real racists exists (probably)" - frogbs
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs i don't think you're like the devil or anything but I mean you act like you didn't know this was gonna happen
i figured i'd catch some shit but people literally telling me to die is always going to be surprising in a place like this
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
U might not be rocketing up sbans if you didn't keep talking about how people that don't feel like rolling with your "I'm not racist but" troll are crying and whining u ass
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
heh, this guy is great, hes like l0u1s jagg3r but instead of weird sex shit its weird race shit
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
xp - what would you call it? i'm not talking about the people who are disagreeing with me
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
oh, frogbspaws.
― gr8080, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
Who the hell are you talking about then?
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think anyone has been this adept at digging himself deeper since peak-form louis
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Monday, June 20, 2011 11:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
really! who else does that even leave?
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
he has actually posted to ilx WHILE committing a hate crime xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
what was lj's reason for leaving again? I remember it happening but it was something stupid
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
loooooool
― gr8080, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, June 20, 2011 11:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
the CIA owns facebook
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
threads like this just make me miss LJ to be honest, im sure hed be in here doing his best to mediate between frogbs and the rest of ilx, and in the process putting his foot in his mouth
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
im just saying the people who were gonna sb did it long before i accused anyone of whining
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
― ☂ (max), Monday, June 20, 2011 11:50 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
me too. also when louis said stupid shit at least he meant it.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
xpost most of em probably had done it before today
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, louis would never have spent 20 posts hinting that hed heard black people were bad tippers, hed have just said it, over and over, and kept on saying it
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
c'mon, you can figure this out
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
is it BLACK PEOPLE
― more delta than delta (symsymsym), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.callofbeauty.com/gallery/d/96778-1/Bush+confused+a+little.jpg
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
wait the dude you stiffed on the tip in vegas posts to ilx?
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
i mean outside that i got nothing
also are you sure that he also casts a wary eye on black people when he is bartending or are you just taking that as a shared server mindset betwixt he and you
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
look, the reason why i tiptoed around the subject is because i didn't honestly believe that it was true
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
because you're a troll
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://donchavez.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/dead-horse.jpg
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
if you are a racist & discuss tipping, there will be lots of these
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
just start a "things black people do" poll and be done with it.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
- Eats popcorn.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
Srsly, everytime I go to the movies, there's at least one black guy there, eating popcorn.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:10 (twelve years ago) link
that he didn't tip on
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
Cmon man. You don't know that.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
Are you a bartender?
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
you got me. I'm not :(.
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
rosa parks didnt sit at a lunch counter in kentucky so that some day a guy could spend hours working up the balls to say black people dont tip on an internet message board.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
why would you tip internet message boards
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
i once tipped a bartender a black guy. i was all like hey, this guy is pretty uneven, do you have a shim or something? and then i kind of tilted him to the side. the bartender was like yeah, that's george, he's got one leg shorter than the other and he lost his orthotics. then he took a piece of cardboard and put it under george's shoe. george had been having a conversation with some hot bar lady, and he paused for a moment to thank me for tipping him all right and even. he was all grateful a la, hey guy i'm no good at this kind of thing – i'm glad you're here to keep me on the straight and narrow. i was like for sure dude, and then we drank margaritas off some lady's ass.
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:33 (twelve years ago) link
i mean dude doesnt post here anymore but this still kinda shitty
― Dr. Frog, B.S., M.S.E., Ph.D (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
louis constantly dug himself deep in a way that was endearing imo
frogbs, well...
― gr8080, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 08:41 (twelve years ago) link
truth bomb
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 08:50 (twelve years ago) link
bring back LJ
― british sb power (dayo), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 10:45 (twelve years ago) link
maybe the thing about frogbs is the way he puts up his hands and goes "whoa-oa-oa-oa guys! you are all overreacting!" and acts like a faux-naif
― british sb power (dayo), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 10:46 (twelve years ago) link
i once tipped a bartender a black guy.
they still have slavery in your country? In any case, this seems like a rather generous tip.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 11:36 (twelve years ago) link
this seems like a rather generous tip.
Yes, as frogbs says, "they're not cheap".
― some greenzo (onimo), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 11:44 (twelve years ago) link
― remy bean, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 04:33 (7 hours ago) Bookmark
dying
― thomp, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
naa "fuck you and die" is a pretty appropriate reaction I guess
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 12:55 (twelve years ago) link
Btw, when kids were giving you shit as a kid, it was still racist. If people aren't your friends and it's not good-natured, any shit-giving is vile, racial topic stuff doubly so.
― mh, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
"Anyone who would beat you up for wearing a shirt is not your friend!"
http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/b/bb/Marge.png
― Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
― british sb power (dayo), Monday, June 20, 2011 8:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
I caddied for Bob Cousy when I was a kid, I carried two bags 18 holes. He gave me a fuckin quarter.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, but on your deathbed, you'll have total consciousness. So you have that going for you.
― Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
No I understand that, I hated those kids because they were dicks and they said racist things, but I thought they were too stupid to really know anything about the Jews besides the World War 2 shit and therefore never got righteous about it, just waited until I had a growth spurt and could actually fight, blah blah blah...wouldn't put em in the same class as Mel Gibson
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
you have a weird definition of self-righteous, my friend
― mh, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
this thread
― Heady Snobbin (Pillbox), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
So,has anybody here ever worked in the porn industry? Wondering who in your experience has the biggest rod...cuz there's this stereotype, you see...
― aguirre, the wrath of frogbs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.sowal.com/bb/images/smilies/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn.gif
― blueski, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
I bet that guy likes to sing and dance too.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
this thread, this thread
i only tip good haircuts and good food
fuck tipping bar people, everyone that i know that works in a bar gets paid cash so gets dole money and housing benefit and probably djs a night or two each week and they get free drink and fags and i'm totally not jealous that i don't have the balls to live life like that
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
See, you just said "free drink" and "fags" so you're in the UK and the rules are different and you need to reference the eighty other threads on how tipping differs between countries
― mh, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
also, "dole money" and "housing benefit" because we sure don't have much of that here!
Plus, in America, undeclared cash income as sole support=no Social Security credits=getting screwed when you reach retirement age.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
And you pretty much have to have children now to get cash welfare. Blame Clinton for that.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
tip taxi driver, waiting staff and barber, can't think of anyone else.
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
TIP HERE
http://api.ning.com/files/LR5emv9QZfIHTKkM*LpmeDYrAsWVcbwtgtYthqGJnWamFNaF0NdpTxZrsfTB-hy4BZM1aPktMk10UDwFmEBZyt54l4hXDKL5/usamap.gif
BUT NOT HERE
http://www.airspacegallery.org/2007/images/stories/UKMap.jpg
OR EVEN HERE
http://support.sas.com/rnd/datavisualization/mapsonline/html/maps/countries/austral.gif
THERE.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://cdn.weinterrupt.com/wp-content/uploads/tipjar.jpg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
when did stoke become the capital of the uk???
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
Yesterday, around lunchtime.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
well shit
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
acceptable tipping in texas
http://www.texaslonghorn.com/pr/photos/S_5345.jpg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
YOU WOULDN'T TIP A COW
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
afaik stoke the uk capital of racism, volkism and sport related violence
― tipper gore (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
/is/ the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxapJFU3lik
― taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:51 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha ;_; miss him
― caek, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
crying through the lols from behind your fingers
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.mint.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/110302-MINT-TIPSa.png
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
you can open that in new tab to zoom obv
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
goddamn, I'm supposed to tip my hotel housekeeper?
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
If you're like me, when you're in a foreign country you just leave all the loose change you won't want to drag in to cash in and add $5 on top
― mh, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
when I went to summer camp in china in 9th grade, we left a tip for the housekeeper on our last day. right before we got on the bus, one of the hotel staff came running out and told us that we had forgotten some money on the dresser.
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
god what an annoying infographic, great idea but how hard can it be to make all the countries where tipping is 15-20% one color, 10-15% another color, no tipping another color???
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
The Tipping Rebellion
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
Tipping ain't just a city in China
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
tai ping
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
Love that ilx can still find enough material to keep this thread a perennial clusterfuck joy. Thanking u frogbs.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
do we tip the guy that made the map? maybe less than 10% because we don't like the colours?
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
this thread raelly makes me think of tippage
― coffeetripperspillerslyricmakeruppers (Latham Green), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
it's wrong about the uk (service charges are rarely included) and germany (lol "dollars are accepted but euros are appreciated")
― caek, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
It also says that if a service charge isn't included, a tip can be excepted.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
maybe the author has only been to tourist areas where dollars are always accepted
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
i'm sure the author was very popular on their trips to france
― caek, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
service charges are rarely included
really? feels increasingly common
― blueski, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
maybe (not in my experience). it's definitely still the exception though.
― caek, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
so what's the tipping policy across the pond
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
10-15% in restaurants unless a service charge is included, round up in taxis, and no tips anywhere else (unless i'm forgetting something)
― caek, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
that infographic looks/sounds like it was ripped off of some 15-year-old source, hence all the stuff about "dollars are appreciated"
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
maybe they mean aesthetically
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
dollars haven't appreciated, they've depreciated thanks to the fed's gutless fiscal policies!!!!!
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
"yes your dollar is very pretty, can i please have some actual money instead thank you"
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
you know who has pretty but worthless money, is Ghana
http://i.pbase.com/u20/bmcmorrow/upload/36503710.ghana.jpg
linked because lol hueg
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
FORRRBIDDEN!
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1089&bih=652&q=ghana%20currency&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
try this search link then
pretty pretty currency
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
That is pretty!
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
There was a Planet Money piece about tipping on All Things Considered today. Cliffs: quality of service has little impact on amt of tips.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
there's truth to that. Consider the scenario that the kitchen takes too long to get the food out, customer complains, bill is voided by the manager. In that scenario, no matter how good I was to the table, it seemed just a matter of personal principle whether they tipped me or not (usually they left a tip, especially cuz they just got a free meal, but not always).
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
btw thanks to this thread I dreamed I was back at my old restaurant job from 8 years ago last night and woke up in a cold sweat. u owe me new unstained sheets ILX
. . .
― gr8080, Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
sweatstains, fuckwit
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
well im also p skeptical of most ppl's ability to accurately evaluate 'quality of service'
― John Ballsack (Lamp), Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
surely that should be 'sbing frogsby'
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
up to an individual to decide tbf?
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
hey is it a thing to comp someone for some non-existent slight with the tacit understanding that you will get tipped extra as a way to shift money from the house to the staff?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
oh yea, that's why they never let any of the waiters in my restaurant have access to 'comp' thigns on the computer.
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
they actually instituted a policy that you had to turn in your Buy One Get One free postcards intact at the end of the night because waiters in other locations of the franchise were ripping them in two and duping stupid managers into comping the meal of the table who brought in the postcard, and another random table that didn't, and pocketing the difference.
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
hm.. these are truly pro tips!
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
here's a question - do rightwingers tip? The general argument I have seen on this thread for why people should tip is that restaurant workers would otherwise starve. But a radical free-marketeer would surely just say "that's their problem, I am just going to pay the agreed contractual amount for the food I have received". Or do they?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 23 June 2011 11:09 (twelve years ago) link
(steve buscemi in reservoir dogs youtube video)
― thomp, Thursday, 23 June 2011 11:24 (twelve years ago) link
not 'it's their problem' rather 'my intervention would skew the market, helping nobody vis-a-vis long term resolution of this alleged imbalance'
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 11:31 (twelve years ago) link
i would think most people have seriously wondered why they need to tip but do it anyway
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
it's like pissing in that way
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
tipping at restaurants/bars I understand. tipping at a casino is something that i really am against (but do anyway because i don't want to be a dick) since they rake in money hand over fist over ass and run a business specifically designed to prepare you psychologically to give them your cash. surely they can pay the dealers properly!?
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
Back to the casino, and the circle is complete.
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
Black to the casino morelike
― Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
you mean if I don't tip then one day my wallet will fill up so much it will burst?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 23 June 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
i have never honestly thought "i wish i didn't have to pee"
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
Wait till middle age and your shrinking bladder disturbs your sleep every night at 3:30.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
or wait until all of the hydration you did before going onstage for Beethoven's "Missa Solemnis" catches up with you
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
Pissa Solemnis
― dayo, Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
Oh c'mon, frogs, everybody's had a "photo finish"
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of "photo finish"
I do have a really bizarre tipping scenario that'll probably get me banned if I post it here
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
PLEASE TELL IT
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
omg it's twin hookers isnt it
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
Man, when you set posts up like that frogs, it's kinda like the fratboy who says "hey watch this" before accidentally blowing his nuts off with a firecracker...
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
uh
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, fratboy who sets himself on fire doing a flaming shot, sure, but that hypothetical seems excessive
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
But how much should the frat boy tip the bartender on the flaming shot?
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
I was imagining it having something to do with how to tip strippers of different "races".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
there's a 'stiffing' joke in here somewhere
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
apparently it involves pissing, so I am just going to assume it's something about a friend who didn't tip a hooker after accidentally pissing on him/her
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
maybe the hooker pissed on the friend, but it wasn't in the pre-negotiated terms, and he forgot to tip her for it?
― mh, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
I am not assuming anyone's gender here
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
actually you're pretty close, I would imagine most of the people reading this thread have sb'd me anyway so here goes nothing
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
day = made
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
i hope this thread does not end up being my legacy
― j lol (surm), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
lololololol
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
call the nyt obit people now
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
man i have a personal rule not to use any variation of popcorn.jpg but u are making it hard here froggy
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
if you actually manage to roll racism, sexism, lol fat people, lesbians are ugly, and watersports into a single anecdote, i will remove all of your sbs
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
i mean it's like, i have had plenty of good threads, why is this The One
― j lol (surm), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
(note: i will not actually do this)
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angi1vwUkQc
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
" racism, sexism, lol fat people, lesbians are ugly, and watersports "
riyl: dane cook dvds.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
it has to do with a friend of mine's 21st birthday. it's like 1:00 (bar close is 2:15 here) and he decides that we all have to go to a strip club. being his birthday we have to say yes so we head on out there. he is nearly blackout drunk by this point. has a few more drinks there and someone buys him a lap dance. after a couple of minutes we hear a scream and the guy bolts for the bathroom. he's yelling "I'm so sorry! I couldn't hold it!" which is funny to us until we realize what we're actually laughing at. he actually vomitted on the stripper while she was grinding on him. obviously everyone in the bar starts giving us death stares and the bouncer says "as soon as he's done in there, you guys are out of here". understandable. we frantically discussed, "how much should we tip her for this??" the conclusion was that it had to be at least $100. i don't think this situation is outlined anywhere. i think that tipping $20 is worse than tipping nothing, but how much is enough to make her feel even a little bit forgiving, or is there no amount? then I realized, if this was like Vegas or something, the tip would have to be at least a grand, wouldn't it?
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
how many people in birthday party were black
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
enjoy an sb from me 2 u
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
give it a rest man
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
*makes obligatory nick cave ref so none of you nerds have to*
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Man I'm getting Deja Vu from this.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
right?
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
imho yesterday was more deserving of an sb for the casual reference, glad i didn't save it for today
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
casual "racism" that should read
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
well i had to work yesterday so if you wanna pretend i did it yesterday by all means
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
close your eyesgive me your hand, darlingdo you feel my sides heavingdo you understandaching sides and allam I only dreamingor is this burningan eternal lol
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
imo the story would have been much better if the stripper had done the puking
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
A very merry suggest ban to you!
http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/layoutpics/characters/mad-hatter-disney.jpg
― Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
also if the stripper had been wearing a trucker hat
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
someone trying to steal the inappropriate puking in a sexual situation story crown
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
that story was actually much less awful than i expected
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
my first read thru of that winning post had me convinced it wasn't puke that he couldn't hold in
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
I kind of like the idea of a Highlander-esque battle over this
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
wouldn't lower myself to puke-jousting in a public arena tbh
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
story does not seem SB-worthy
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
i really want to know how people would answer this question though
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
obviously i have no idea what is or isn't, didn't San Te catch a bunch of shit for posting a gross strip club story
some of us don't have to pay for the chance to puke on people so idk what to tell you froggy
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
i would answer this question with "i never have to think about this situation"
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i am as big a fan of thought experiments as the next guy but eh this one
losing my faith in frogbs, all that build up and
― dayo, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
it was like all the anticipation and anti-climactic mess cleaning of a lapdance than ends in puke
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
what were you expecting?
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
something with a little more pizazz
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
something with a little more jizz, azz
― Lamp, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Not going to criticise, it's not like I have a better stripper vomit story to tell. Thanks for sharing.
― i wanna be yr rhizome (seandalai), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
I fell in love with vomited on a stripper
― dayo, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it ends with you being chased down the street by an angry bouncer (played by ving rhames? make a production note for the next meeting) and you stumble into ANOTHER strip club to hide and there you meet a stripper with a heart of gold who rebuffs your advances at first but eventually learns to love you, as you learn to love little horace, the six-year-old wisecracking genius son she's forced to strip for in order to pay for private school in a better neighborhood.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
i'm just spitballing here. we could also probably get the fat guy from my name is earl for the bouncer if rhames is too expensive.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
i think the bouncer needs to be black, otherwise he wont really seem threatening enough, the audience wld wonder why a cool tough guy wld even bother running and not like, punching the bouncer out.
also i do think its impt that we establish a fair market price for getting vomited on while at work
― Lamp, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
the movie would be called "Five Thousand Bucks" which is the amount frogbs's friend needs to come up with in order to keep the puked-on stripper's boyfriend from kicking the crap out of him. the climatic moment comes when he's forced to decide whether to steal the five grand from little horace's private school fund or take his beating like a man.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
if a friend barfed on a stripper, i think i'd probably leave a couple 20s on the table and hit the door pronto. then again, i've only been to a strip club once (at a family member's bachelor party), and left quickly without the goad of barf, so what do i know?
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
seriously thinking about spending my two days off writing this script
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs i promise to cut you in on the profits if we can get apatow interested
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
How much does she make per dance and how many will she miss while she cleans up? Factor that in plus at least a 40% disgust fee.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
strongo in case you didnt know ilx poster 'max' and i are bigshot hollywood producers: ANNOUNCEMENT - CALL FOR PITCHES - MAX AND LAMP FILM PRODUCTION COMPANY LLC & i think wed be very interested in your script
― Lamp, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
It was $20 or $30 I think, plus it was the end of the night so I would think she's got like one more in her. I like the calculation but there's gotta be like a $100 minimum there
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
you are a prince among mathemagicians
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
so happy
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
i hope this movie gets super famous and gets a "hangover 2" type sequel. "i can't believe you puked on ANOTHER stripper's tits, dude! man, we are in for it now"
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
wow this thread
― taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
i would never prostitute myself to write "five thousand bucks 2: five thousand more bucks"
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
The Five Thousand Buck Upchuck Part 2: Couldn't Wait in Kuwait
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
no.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Barman: let me guess, 'chunks on a stripper' is the name of your dog, right?Frogbs: uh.....
― the waitress and the frogbs (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
i have no friends
― frogbs, Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:34 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
well this calls the whole premise of the movie into question now doesn't it
― brazenly alive (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 23 June 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but tbf neither had galafianakis's character in hangover
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
strongo u must join frogbs's wolfpack
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know what that means! i've never even seen the hangover! i feel like andy rooney!
― brazenly alive (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
in my day we did coke off strippers and lap dances cost a nickel
― brazenly alive (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
T/S "coke off" vs "vomit on"
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
vs both
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
"doing vomit on a stripper" sounds incredibly unappealing
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
well, for the stripper, sure
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
would have to be "coke off and vomit on" vs "staying at home"
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
for you or the stripper?
― taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Crucial distinction.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
would have to be a hell of a tip for the stripper. here's the question - how much would someone have to pay you to vomit on your naked body? that's how much you should tip for the stripper to "come out ahead", right?
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
how much would someone have to pay you to vomit on your naked body?
and to think ILX existed for 10 years without you
(which reminds me...)
― taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
every generation gets its own c-man
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
idg why someone would want to do it
― SBing crosby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, would it be like performance art?
underrated ilx0rs I have showered with vomit
maybe we don't have to entertain all of frogbs's thought experiments
― horseshoe, Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
i disagree
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
Not going to criticise, it's not like I have a better stripper vomit story to tell. Thanks for sharing.― i wanna be yr rhizome (seandalai), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:59 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― i wanna be yr rhizome (seandalai), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:59 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
killing me :)
Strongo should srsly pitch Five Thousand Bucks to the Farrelly brothers.
― some greenzo (onimo), Friday, 24 June 2011 09:39 (twelve years ago) link
itt frogbs instructs you how to get a ban
― buzza, Saturday, 25 June 2011 03:13 (twelve years ago) link
― estela, Saturday, 25 June 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
he self-banned before his time had come.
goodnight, sweet prince. I hope that they tip you well past the pearly gates.
― mh, Saturday, 25 June 2011 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/K9bGt.jpg
― DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:55 (twelve years ago) link
oh no.
― grit of ad hominem (kkvgz), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link
i guess if it also had money tucked inside it would be okay
― her lawyer, Andrew Wallet (reddening), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:30 (twelve years ago) link
That would make me chase after somebody, I am pretty sure, to violently return their "tip."
― ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
also what kind of cheapskate only gives you half a bible
― her lawyer, Andrew Wallet (reddening), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:40 (twelve years ago) link
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:07 PM Bookmark
Wow, so totally wrong. A couple twenties == tip for what this person is ordinarily doing in their line of work. This is like if you went to a restaurant and ordered a cup of black coffee and then vomited all over the server and left three quarters and a couple pennies on the counter.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 22 July 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
yeah if someone vomited on my mostly-naked body i'd want to get at least a bill out of that
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Friday, 22 July 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
so let me talk about today
i do catering and deliveries for a store that's part of a chain of delis, and most of the work is in a 15 mile radius around the university of maryland, which is right outside DC. i get minimum wage but still rely on tips because of how the hours are set up -- you work 3-4 hours in the morning/afternoon (when businesses are having their meetings) and you spend the rest of the day on-call. you don't get paid to be on-call but you also can't get a second job during those hours. so my paychecks are tiny, and they take massive hits after our credit tips are taxed as well (i lost a third of my last paycheck from taxed tips alone). drivers are supposed to get 10-15%, but the way it is, we're usually fine with $15-20 tips, because that's what we're used to. a lot of people just don't tip, and we're not allowed to say anything about it to them bc that would be considered "soliciting." of course there isn't any mention of "please tip your driver" or anything, so a lot of people just don't know that they're supposed to. or it isn't enough of a fucking taboo not to like it is for waiters (i do just as much, if not more, than waiters) so they don't have much guilt over it. anyway that's not the point but i wrote about this more eloquently here http://ironstring.tumblr.com/post/6648337722/siftons-rule-is-that-you-have-to-tip-well-on
today i was moving $1200 of food to a building on campus. not a long drive, not the most expensive order, but definitely one of my heaviest deliveries ever -- my car, a subaru forester, was absolutely packed with hundreds of lbs of food and drink. two important factors. one, obama gave a speech today. campus was packed, roads were closed off, and when they weren't, they were filled with cars. it was general mayhem. i could not park close to the building, so every trip involved crossing roads and going up a hill and up stairs. if the building didn't have a working elevator (it's often broken) i probably would've ended up in the hospital. two, it was 104 degrees with 50% humidity. i just learned that today, the heat index in DC is the highest in the country. the kind of weather that makes everyone constantly point out how much of an oven it feels. so this was my worst order ever. all time, likely always. had to make seven trips back and forth from my car, each heavier than the last. i might have lost about five or ten lbs in sweat. seriously, by the fifth or sixth trip, i was covered, head to toe, through both layers of shirts. my HAT was soaked. i had a receipt in my pocket from an earlier order, and it was completely wet by the end. it was disgusting and i looked like hell, everyone giving me pitied looks. the girl who ordered it told me that they were hosting the dept of homeland security and wanted to impress them in order to get a $15 million grant. by my last trip -- i'm not kidding -- i was giving myself motivational speeches to keep going. YOU'RE STRONGER THAN THIS, ZACH. JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. DO NOT DISAPPOINT ME. i think people heard this, but i was absolutely delusional and dizzy, despite the fact that i drank two entire water bottles between trips. and that's just the delivery part -- i also had to set up and organize this $1200 of food.
long story short, she gave me $50. in most cases, $50 is fucking swell. even if it's just a 4% tip. in this case, i was too out of my mind to make a deal out of it, but i couldn't do anything anyway. the problem is that my coworker eased my worry before i took the order: i told him, "oh god, it's UMD, they're not even gonna tip me for this" (i've gotten zeros on orders just as expensive) and he said, "oh, no, yesterday this lady tipped me $50 and it was on like, $250." she asked how much you're SUPPOSED to tip, and he answered 10-15%. so i went into it thinking HOLY SHIT, 10-15% OF 1200! when the time came, though, she got on the phone and talked to her superior, who was somewhere far away, and who obviously had control of the funds they were using to pay me. this happens often, because half the time the orders are expensed to company accounts and whatnot, the person accepting the delivery is just a middle man. so i'm standing there, in her office, and i am literally dripping from several places with sweat, my shirt is a completely different color, even my loose pants got in the action, and my face is 100% red. i'm sort of pacing around, confused, looking at the walls, and she's discussing my tip to her boss, and saying "i mean, he made like seven trips, he's covered in sweat, i think we have to give him more than THAT," so i was thinking YESSS 2000% TIP and i end up with a 50. but that's all she could do, because that's how it is: my money comes from people who have no idea what i actually did to earn it. i get uncomfortable when people start talking about what a service worker has to do in order to get the tip they're SUPPOSED to get. what else could i have done?
i come back from the order and take two more deliveries, ending up with $65 total on the day. not bad, normally. when i'm back, i'm such a mess that my boss is like "go spend five minutes in the freezer," and i'm in there for at least ten minutes (20 degrees! it was heaven) and after a second delivery this large manly man who i have never seen not presenting himself as macho says "you poor little thing." i find out that the two other drivers made at least $80 on the day. one of them got $40 -- ten less than my big one -- because a frantic guy ran up to his car and said he'd give him $40 if he drives him a mile to the metro station.
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I am amazed that they don't provide a service charge on deliveries, especially in your own vehicle. Even the florist got $9.95 from me just to bring flowers to my uncle's funeral.
― (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, that charge probably didn't go to the florist. There's a $7 delivery fee on orders before 5 PM, $5 after 5 PM. University is tax exempt and pays no delivery charge. Even so, I get $1.75 delivery expense for each one I go on, which is meant to cover gas and parking. It's usually fine for those things, except that it cost me several dollars at the meter just to keep my car there for the amount of time it took to finish the delivery. (university meters: 1 dollar per half hour). And gas, right now, where I have to at least have my AC up to the second notch to not pass out, is a lot more expensive than the store seems to think it is.
Delivery fees are mostly bullshit, just a way the company bleeds money from customers. I'm not getting that money, and I'm the only factor separating your order from a pickup. I tend to think that they're clever ways the company has of stealing my tips (not paranoid, I swear!) because people see the fee and assume it goes to me, which makes them think it's just automatic gratuity, which makes them more likely to buy delivery.
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Friday, 22 July 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
Signs that an ILX0r is now commissioning Comment Is Free articles:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/26/britain-tip-jar
Immanentize the eschaton, commence the apocalypse, etc.
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
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― kkvgz, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
"I've just stood in line for 10 minutes while the yummy mummies in front of me order their non-fat, low-foam, half-caff macchiatos and debate whether or not to go off their diets and have a scone this morning."
This woman should have her writing privileges suspended.
― ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
Is "low-foam" something you can actually order, or was she just trying to get the rhythm right.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:24 (twelve years ago) link
?
A friend of mine posted on facebook asking whether it was common and how to tip her contractor for the fabulous kitchen he'd just remodeled. I suggested she focus her tip energy towards the sweaty end of the management-labor spectrum. I think she got him some omaha steaks anyway.
Tips in the residential construction business aren't common, but we did have a family throw a catered bbq luncheon for us and all our subcontractors once. I hope they tipped the delivery driver well.
Mostly I see frazzled homeowners "already" spending 6-figures on a remodel or addition getting riled up wondering why I'm putting maybe $5 worth of misc debris from somewhere else into "their" dumpster.
― Kerm, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:29 (twelve years ago) link
"Is "low-foam" something you can actually order, or was she just trying to get the rhythm right."
I don't know. It's the "yummy mummies" that makes me want to take her keyboard away.
― ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:34 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, that's bad. I think the American translation would be MILF? Something these women probably didn't know they were signing up for when they decided to not look bad at the coffee shop.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:46 (twelve years ago) link
I actually find "yummy mummies" a slightly less bad term than MILF but seriously, MILF is one of those terms that makes me IA.
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link
Karen, it is not irrational to get angry about that term.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
Mom I'd Like to (Have) Fun (With)
― remy bean, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:03 (twelve years ago) link
MILF is like the Howard Stern of words
― remy bean, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:04 (twelve years ago) link
yummy mummies refers more to class, iiuc? Has an SUV, kids sent to creche, dines at fabulous eateries for lunch, that sort of thing? Or, at least, i don't think it's quite the same as milf
― CH3C(O)N(CH3)2 (darraghmac), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:07 (twelve years ago) link
I object to "MILF" on ideological grounds, and "yummy mummies" on linguistic grounds. Also ideological grounds. Just quit making up cutesy terms for women with children that you find attractive, as though they are so strange an phenomenon that the heretofore perfectly useful "attractive person" no longer applies.
― ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know where you live but I can't imagine a couple twenties is normal for a lap dance or whatever; the problem here is that you are definitely getting kicked out if you do this so it's basically whatever you have on you
― frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
I think actually darragh is right, that Yummy Mummy has more of a lifestyle and class element to it than simply noting their physical attractiveness. That is slightly less annoying because it is actually noting something inherent in the woman herself (even if it is something as shallow as her class or lifestyle) rather than simply pointing out that the observer wants to mate with her, which is entirely external, as if she does not have essence or being in her self. But perhaps they are more annoying as people than "MILFs" because if godhelpme I walk over to Balham, then Yummy Mummies en masse with their enourmous SUV sized perambulators and even bigger sized entitlement issues, getting in the bloody way when you just want a cup of coffee will also make me IA.
So it's odd that you, Jenny, pick up on the entitlement issues of the writer, when the writer is probably carping about the entitlement issues of women of a certain class. (That said, the fact that she is writing for the Guardian probably means she is very likely of a very similar class?)
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
Then again, the entire neighbourhood of "Balham" probably deserves to be on the "things that make you IA" thread. And this thread is about tipping.
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
Now that I know that "yummy mummies" is a UK class-issue thing, I will not be touching it again with a ten foot pole.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
I am loving your new display name, Ms Tregaskin.
In other news, this thread's latest episodes are reminding me of how I never want to live in the USA for fear that I either get stuck in some kind of low paid job where I am relying on the generosity of strangers or end up causing confusion and awkwardness by either not tipping enough or tipping in inappropriate situations.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
I also hate the word "yummy" tbf.
― ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
And why is a rich mother described as "yummy"? Probably a Brit/USA communication breakdown but if the meaning of "yummy" is still "tasty," how is that supposed to be a class-related descriptor? I'm not saying it isn't - I'm just saying the phrase is abysmally stupid and people who use it shouldn't be allowed to publish their opinions on the internet.
― ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
Young Upwardly Mobile Mother?
Also "Mummy" is often used as a middle-class signifier - poor people have Mums.
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
rich people have nannies
― remy bean, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's almost phonetic, relating to how a proclivity towards declaring things, eg tartlets made from responsibly-sourced apples, 'yummy', might reflect on the proclaimer. almost pronounced yammy.
― decorate the slaughterhouse with geraniums (schlump), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
did Al jolson have a Yammy Mammy?
― a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
yummy mummy = soccer mom (in my head)
Kate otm about why it's less troubling than milf.
'Yummy' rhymes with mummy, i dunno is it even any deeper than that tbh.
― CH3C(O)N(CH3)2 (darraghmac), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
So would poor people really not call their mothers "mummy"?
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
In Chicago we call "yummy mummies" "Trixies" because somebody back in time before the popular TV series Deadwood decided that "Trixie" was the poshest name s/he could think of. Though Trixies refers to any entitled actin woman, not just mothers.
I object to "soccer mom," too, mostly because of the attention/criticism for this is directed at women who bear the greater burden of childcare duties and then get rewarded with derisive labels. It's is more complex than I want to get into with my thumbs but I definitely agree that MILF is the worst.
― ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
poor people in the uk are orphans, kkvgz
http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/olivertwist-314x518.jpg
― decorate the slaughterhouse with geraniums (schlump), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
I just always get so frustrated trying to sort out what is real and what is trolling in re UK-class issues.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
Posh ppl just call their mothers "Mater" because we were all taught perfect Latin at boarding school.
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Yummy_Mummy.jpeg
― BIG HOOBA aka the stankdriver (Phil D.), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks Phil, I was associating that phrase with egyptian-themed marshmallows and couldn't remember why!
― mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
In Chicago we call "yummy mummies" "Trixies" because somebody who had never seen or possibly heard of The Honeymooners decided that "Trixie" was the poshest name s/he could think of. Though Trixies refers to any entitled actin woman, not just mothers.
Fixed.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still going to tip, but please do not do that.
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 29 July 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
Kinda dick post, I get where they're coming from on some of that stuff, I hate the fakey-friendlyness, but places I've worked you're really required/expected to do that stuff, and also you have no idea how well it works on other tables. I try to strike a balance, my serving persona is ideally like cool/kinda wry guy who figures out that you're just there to eat and get out and accommodates that for you, but still, I mean 7. Don't keep asking, "Can I get you anything else?" Just bring me the check and I'll leave. - - then ask for the fucking check, stupid! I don't want to drop it on your table and THEN you go "Ohhh, what were your desserts again?" or "Oh, can we get that split up?" or "Oh, we have a coupon for a discount" etc etc.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
I hate it when they ask "can I get you anything else?" because I have family members who will say "yes."
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 29 July 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
Obligatory bitching post: So last night I had a table that walked in at 9:54 (we close at 10). I greeted them warmly, they asked when we closed, I said 10, they were kind of vaguely apologetic about it and the one lady was like "Your waitresses are going to be mad at you!" As I was seating them, I was like, "Well, actually, I'm the server as well, so no worries!" (In my head thinking: A) Why would you joke about how pissed-off the people who work in a restaurant are for you coming in right when they're closing, and B) Why would you think the host, who is going to have to stand around and wait for the table to get closed anyway so they can count the drawer, would be less pissed-off than the server?) Anyway, I served them, gave them totally normal service, rattled off the specials, kept their water filled, yadda yadda, they sat there until 10:45. Split checks: one lady who got just the quesadillas ($7 ticket) tipped me $5. Dig it, she gets the deal. The other check, paid by "your waitresses" lady, was a $40 ticket, they tipped... $5. Whaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck, fuck you, fuck YOU, and fuck YOU! These are people who know and specifically acknowledge that they are keeping me at work an hour past when I thought I was going to leave, and they are tipping me barely over ten percent. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagghhhhhh
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 29 July 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, is there another thread that's just like "rolling service industry shithole bitching thread"?
probably, but this one seems fine for your legit beef
― an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Friday, 29 July 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
I almost think that's the exact name of it!
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 29 July 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe quesadilla lady knew the others were bad tippers and was covering for them, $10 on a $47 bill isn't bad.
Not to be dickish, but if your business really wants to shut down at 10 it shouldn't seat people at 9:55. Blame your managemnet for that.
― nickn, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
my personal pet peeve is when you get the check before you're even done eating. seems to happen all the time here. but hey
― frogbs, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
$10 on a $47 bill is just over 20%, so yes, a reasonable enough tip at 7:30. But walking into a restaurant when they're about to close is horrible behavior that makes everyone hate you. Posted hours, yeah, but you go, "In my internal moral calculus, I am going to make a bunch of people stick around at the job they hate for an hour to wait on one table. This is not a nice thing to do to people."
I do blame management in part - we used to have a policy where we took last orders at 10 and last seating at 9:45, because obviously, you seat somebody at 10, they're not ordering right that second. This has changed. Meanwhile, they're paying hourlies out to a server, possibly a host/cashier, and the cook. (Note, I have been working there for a year and a half at starting pay; there is a raise freeze because labor costs are too high.)
But really, don't ever sit down in an empty restaurant within 30 minutes of their stated close time. I know people who would go as far as to say an hour. Numerous people, tipped and untipped, are trying to clean the place up, both in the front and in the back of the house. Again you might say "tough shit, that's their job" but if that's your attitude you are probably already a horrible tipper and we don't want you anyway.
xpost we are required to drop the check with the food when serving breakfast, due to company policy that assumes breakfast eaters are in a big hurry to catch a flight/get to the big meeting/etc. We can get failed for not doing that on a secret-shopper thing.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
But really, don't ever sit down in an empty restaurant within 30 minutes of their stated close time.
Back when I worked in restaurants, I wished this was the case, but it was hardly ever the fucking case.
― kkvgz, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
so 38% of my last paycheck was taxed away. thank you credit tips. gonna go join the tea party now.
tomorrow is the first day since the 19th that i'm not working, and i've made some good money but jesus christ i can't wait to sleep in
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Friday, 29 July 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
Oh god, credit tips must have gotten so much worse in the last decade!
― kkvgz, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
It's a huge problem! Also I work in a hotel so tons of people just sign to the room, also documented and taxed. Comes with the territory though and balanced by slightly higher hourlies, plus health insurance (expensive and shitty, but still).
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
There was actually a mini-controversy locally when a restaurant started doing a dinner service (they're a lunch place) and a local reviewer caught wind of this and showed up. She unfortunately showed up five minutes before closing, and the owner said "sure, we'll serve you, as long as you promise this isn't for a review". Which makes sense, because they weren't officially starting their dinner service for a few days and it was a dry run, and she was also there right at close.
She said something like "well, I can't guarantee anything" and she blogged about it and was all huffy about the fact that the owner opened the door back up and held it for her so she could leave!
― mh, Friday, 29 July 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
so when you pay by credit in an ideal world you should leave a cash tip?
― caek, Friday, 29 July 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
that's what i try to do and i understand it's "the way to go"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 July 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
i gave a waitress in denny's a, like, $14 tip or something once in 2006 just because
― markers, Friday, 29 July 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
It sounds like you could have said "Sorry, the kitchen closes right at ten" then given a little eye-roll to say "those lazy cooks!" and gotten rid of them. But if your bosses are monitoring, then I retract everything. And for the record, I would never go into a place just before the posted closing time and expect service.
― nickn, Friday, 29 July 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
hi i pay taxes on my income
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Saturday, 30 July 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
It sounds like you could have said "Sorry, the kitchen closes right at ten" then given a little eye-roll to say "those lazy cooks!" and gotten rid of them.
Agreed totally, used to do this! New manager guy is really committed to holding this official closing time, if one complaint gets back to him heads will roll etc. etc.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 July 2011 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
btw that table I was bitching about came back again tonight, this time at 9:15 so OK. Good lady tipped ~$4 for her one meal. Bad lady again tipped ~$4 for the three people on her check. Also I already hold them in really low esteem so they'd really have to do a lot to win me back over. Warning to the world, even if you are a douche with some chip on your shoulder about your contrarian, iconoclastic bad-tipping ways, never crack jokes with wait staff about how severely you are inconveniencing them or how poorly you will tip them.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 July 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
dag
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 30 July 2011 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201108/tiger-woods-regains-no-1-ranking-tightwad-tippers
― buzza, Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://bumpshack.com/2008/05/08/bad-tipper-lebron-james-tips-125-on-800-tab/
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
5.) Jeremy Piven: Left signed Entourage DVD as tip.
― Jung Danjah (admrl), Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
Jeremy Piven, according to Zimbio, showed up at Nobu in Aspen with a party of 12 -- without a reservation. After being seated and served, Piven reportedly told the manager: "Thanks for nothing," and left a signed Entourage DVD as the tip -- which is at least a bit more generous than an autograph. According to the story, a Nobu employee hurled the box at Piven as he was leaving, and Piven was banned from ever returning to Nobu
― buzza, Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
tbf that's probably where he was poisoned with mercury
― mookieproof, Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
I feel bad for the server but still, if you take a job at Nobu Aspen it's gotta come with the assumption you'll be dealing with the world's biggest assholes on a nightly basis.
― I DIED, Thursday, 18 August 2011 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
lol i met a sushi chef who worked at Nobu (not the Aspen one) and he had a nasty case of Mercury poisoning once
― (gr8080), Thursday, 18 August 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
just got a $170 tip HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY NEVER COMPLAINING AGAIN
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol Jeremy Piven just as you'd expect him to be in real life
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
jeremy piven came to a party at my house once and left 20 minutes later.
― (gr8080), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
did he eat all your sushi before leaving?
― mh, Thursday, 18 August 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
no but tbh it was a shitty party w/ a bunch of 20 year olds going "hey its the dude from old school!"
i would have left too
― (gr8080), Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
hi-five to zachlyon!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 19 August 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
yay! i've accepted that my life is just going to be hating my job one week and tolerating it the next, forever, AMERICAN DREAM
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Saturday, 20 August 2011 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
pumping my fist over here 4 u, zachlyon
― (gr8080), Saturday, 20 August 2011 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
what he said
― steens furiously (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 20 August 2011 07:33 (twelve years ago) link
looool after the last couple weeks have been good with the tips, 54% of my paycheck went to taxes. can't win!
― dj roombahton (zachlyon), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
For years I’ve been tipping $1 per drink at “normal” bars (when ordering at the bar, of course). But now that “mixologists” and cocktails with multiple ingredients (and often complicated physical maneuvers!) are the norm at even my neighborhood bar, $1 no longer seems adequate. Are we to start tipping on $14 cocktails the way we tip on food? Say 15 to 20 percent? What do mixologists expect for that Cucumber Basil Crush with house-made ginger-elderberry liqueur, thai basil grown out back and ice shaved by hand the old-fashioned way?A.
The dollar per drink you might tip for some “well” alcohol on the rocks is not adequate these days for that Cucumber Basil Crush. Mixologists are becoming chefs, and take special care in how their drinks are assembled and served. And for that reason, I’d tip $2.50 to $3 on a $14 cocktail — even if the bartender isn’t a great conversationalist.
http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/09/dear-flofab-please-dont-take-my-plate-yet/?src=tp
― buzza, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
I miss frogbs
― Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
The very next time I order a Cucumber Basil Crush with house-made ginger-elderberry liqueur, thai basil grown out back and ice shaved by hand the old-fashioned way, I will be sure to make good use of this advice.
― Aimless, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
Man, this thread makes me so endlessly thankful I don't work at that restaurant anymore.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
tipping is not just a city in china!
^^ meta frogbs
― valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
― Doctor Casino, Friday, July 29, 2011 12:17 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this reply is half a year out of date, but i really dislike this kind of super-aggressive service staff hostility toward customers. look i know it's a tough job and that we're all just a bunch of drooling nincompoops, but the issue here isn't whether or not we figure it's you're job to be inconvenienced. a restaurant that chooses to seat you is a restaurant that has made it clear that it wants your business. period. if restaurants don't want the business past a certain point, then they should quit seating people at that point. and i tip very well, thank you, whether or not i can really afford it.
i mean, i wouldn't walk into a near-empty restaurant fifteen minutes before closing time and expect to eat. but a hopping full house at half an hour to close, why not? that's just me, though, and i don't expect everyone else in the world to adhere to my standards. bottom line is that restaurants shouldn't seat people they don't actively want to serve.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
And for that reason, I’d tip $2.50 to $3 on a $14 cocktail — even if the bartender isn’t a great conversationalist.
Conversation skills come into it now? I've been way overtipping in that case.
― kinder, Friday, 10 February 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
For what it's worth, the restaurant I worked at was basically never, ever busy in the evening. I'm sure in the story I told, those people were the ONLY table seated in the restaurant.
And I maintain that in terms of increasing or decreasing the amount of unhappiness in the universe, the person deciding to sit down five minutes before closing is an asshole, even if the posted closing time ALLOWS them to do that. They're making a whole lot of people's day a lot worse. The ONLY way to make up for this is to leave a huge tip out of proportion to the price of the meal, and even this won't necessarily mean much to the cook, dishwasher, cashier, or whoever the fuck else is stuck there drumming their fingers waiting for this person to just goddamn order something already.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
look i know it's a tough job
what job isn't tough though? the only jobs that aren't tough are the ones that are in another stratosphere from the ones you would get tipped for. 95% of jobs are tough.
― jed_, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I spent 5 years being yelled at, every single day, by at least 50% of the callers to my helpdesk job. No one much was thankful, everyone was rude, it was shiftwork, and it was very stressful.
Tips? Id fucking loved to have had tips.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 10 February 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
They're making a whole lot of people's day a lot worse. The ONLY way to make up for this is to leave a huge tip out of proportion to the price of the meal, and even this won't necessarily mean much to the cook, dishwasher, cashier, or whoever
i've worked these jobs and these people can be pain in the arses. but ultimately they are right and the pissed off waiter, if he is pissed off, is very wrong. if it's the much of a problem then get another job.
― jed_, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
*that much*
― jed_, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
a call centre operator gets a call 5 minutes before the end of a shift that goes on for half an hour. that is brutal. and that person is not getting a tip or getting paid much, if at all, more than a waiter either.
― jed_, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
well theyll get paid for that extra half hour of work
― BJ O (Lamp), Friday, 10 February 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
so will the waiter, cook, kitchen porter or whatever.
― jed_, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
and if not then it's not the customer's job to reimburse them for that fact.
― jed_, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
kitchen staff probably front of house... maybe
― BJ O (Lamp), Friday, 10 February 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
xxxpost I didn't like getting the last minute calls in the call center, but to be honest it's a less egregious crime than the restaurant sitting. The sin is when you call right at closing and aren't prepared (ie, if you're enrolling in something and don't have your choices already made, didn't bother to read your materials, etc).
and yea, you usually get OT anyway generally (or at least I did cuz I was already scheduled 40 a week). whereas in a restaurant, not necessarily, plus if you're a server you get paid dick so overtime isn't squat.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
like the reason the last minute sitting in a restaurant sucks is because A. you probably cleaned everything and now it's getting messy again, and B. unlike a call center, when once the call ends, you can dash, you have to wait for the customers to actually get up and leave, which they don't always do after they're done eating and paid (sometimes you have to give them the subtle hints like turning the lights on).
So usually after they leave, you still have a bit of work to do, whereas in a call center you can generally up and walk out the door.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 10 February 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, not sure folks are understanding that the average American waiter is making $2.13 an hour in wages
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah my paychecks were usually like $20-$40
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 10 February 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
bartender wages are all over the place - sometimes decent money before tips (by decent I mean actual minimum wage), sometimes completely off the books so that tips are their entire income, sometimes $2.13 an hour just like a waiter
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:05 (twelve years ago) link
At my first waiting job, I actually had health insurance, drawn from my paycheck. Only I didn't realize that I didn't really have insurance for six months because my paychecks were non-existent even before my insurance. (I was 18 and stupid, or that might have occurred to me.)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw front of house staff in a nice place are probably making way more money than someone in a call center after tips so i dont think its really 'about' that. and sometimes you just really want to eat at a place or are tired yourself and dont want to search for anything else or this was the only place everyone could agree on blah blah blah its not the end of the world but you are being inconsiderate to the ppl that work there
― BJ O (Lamp), Friday, 10 February 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link
I promised myself I'd never go back into the restaurant industry after I got laid off in 2003, and so far haven't. I now make about 5 times the salary I did back when I was a waiter. And I find the work stimulating and like it. I wasn't built for restaurants due to my short fuse and big mouth.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 10 February 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
― jed_, Friday, February 10, 2012 2:48 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― BJ O (Lamp), Friday, February 10, 2012 2:49 PM (1 hour ago)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA youre joking right?
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
Nowhere I worked. "time in lieu" if youre LUCKY. Half an hour is "just suck it up and do yr job" most times tho.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
But in fairness, a 40k a year callcentre job is a lot better than a 14k a year waiting job, so.
i guess my impression is that almost any call centre jobs employees here would get an hourly wage rather than a salary
― (_()_) (Lamp), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:33 (twelve years ago) link
Nowhere Ive worked, its alwayts been a yearly wage. But perhaps it's diff in Aus IT companies. Also I'm tlaking IT rather than more generic "answer the phone for an insurance co" tbf.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah - i mean people get inconvenienced by their jobs all the time in lots of little ways but if im calling an IT help desk or my credit card customer service # or w/e i dont really have any control over which rep i get whereas im actively choosing to sit down in an empty restaurant 5 minutes before they close, yknow?
like i think jeds right that a server just has to shrug it off, really, and there are plenty of shittier things people do regularly to waitstaff than make then work an extra hour but its a dick move, regardless of how you rationalize it
― (_()_) (Lamp), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:55 (twelve years ago) link
O I agree sitting down to eat 5 mins before closing is a dick move.
― thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Friday, 10 February 2012 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:11 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm not defending the practice, but i still just don't see this. the primary responsibility for increasing "the amount of unhappiness in the universe" lies with the person who sat the customer, or the policy that forced them to. if you really want someone to blame, that's where you should look.
agree that it's a dick move, but also imagine some naive couple unfamiliar w/ the area looking for some place to eat late at night. they find a place open and go in, knowing it's a toss-up whether they get seated or not. if the restaurant says that it's happy to serve them, i hardly see any great transgression in their ordering dinner.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link
the manager/hostess is a dick, not the customer
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 10 February 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
I end up at restaurants quite often shortly before posted kitchen closing hours, here's what I do to try and not be a dick:
- if the place has already pretty much cleared out, don't go- sit at the bar- ask if the kitchen's still open- pick what I'm going to order very quickly, or preferably know before walking in- if other patrons are still ordering full meals, order anything. If not then get something that's quick to prepare- close my check when the food comes out so the bartender/server can do their paperwork
On the flip side of things, the shittiest moves a a restaurant can pull when a table's still seated and not staying egregiously long are using cleaning solution on the tables around them, putting up chairs and stools, and turning up the dining room lights for cleaning.
― I DIED, Friday, 10 February 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
wow
― surm, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
Crushed cucumber artisinal basil hand-milled gin whathaveyou bartenders should get paid more than regular bartenders because it really is skilled labor and bars that offer these kinds of drinks are really relying on the bartender's as a fundamental part of their business model. I bet those bartenders still make tipped employee minimum wage, though.
Anyway, if I were paying per drink for that kind of fancy cocktail I'd run a tab and tip 20%+ at the end.
― carl agatha, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
v good pr0 tips from I DIED
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
bartender's skill, I meant to say. xp
― carl agatha, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
I think the answer to a lot of these problems is 'more people should be tipped', if people in other shitty jobs get tips too once in a while they will be less bitter. I don't think the person who makes my burrito is doing less overall labor than the person bringing me a beer. tips for everyone.
― iatee, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
I went to the podiatrist today and there was a tip line on the credit card receipt from my copay. I did not tip, although I was very satisfied with the service.
― carl agatha, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
Next time you go in he's going to take one (1) toe.
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
I think the answer to a lot of these problems is 'more people should be tipped', if people in other shitty jobs get tips too once in a while they will be less bitter.
My solution would be to have actual living wages paid to people for their labour. Radical idea, I know.
― emil.y, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
lol ikr
― surm, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Banker leaves 1% tip on http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/banker-1-percent-tip-receipt_n_1299280.html33 lunch in defiance of the 99%
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/511964/BANKER-1-PERCENT-TIP-RECEIPT.jpg
I mean, I can't imagine that this asshole thinks he's EVER going to eat there again without getting a spit-and-semen burger, right? Frankly, if I owned that place, I'd give the wait staff permission to shoot him on sight.
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Monday, 27 February 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, saw this story the other day. Can't wait for the doucherocket to be ID'd.
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Monday, 27 February 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry, effed up the coding but the link works.
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Monday, 27 February 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
seems kind of too cliche to be true, or possible cliche enough to be true
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 27 February 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
He could have at least rounded off properly.
― seandalai, Monday, 27 February 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Note that Future Ex-Banker has removed his blog, where this originally appeared. Alas, since everyone the Newport Beach financial center (100+ banks, investment advisers, traders & private equity firms in the neighborhood of Newport Center Dr.) has probably already seen this, I fear he might be Prematurely Ex-Banker.
Pretty much 90% of the lunchtime crowd around there will be financial types or their office employees. Lunchtime shift waiting jobs are probably pretty good gigs for UC-Irvine students, assuming pricks like this guy are uncommon.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 27 February 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
haha i just got a 0 on a larger order than that, but it happens all the time in catering/deliveries. i would much rather get an asshole like that (i never have) than the usual people who jump through all sorts of hoops to not own up to the fact that they're screwing you over.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Monday, 27 February 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
businessmen otoh are typically pretty good with tipping (esp when there's someone around to impress or they're signing on an account that isn't theirs) but they are the worst human beings to ever have to deal with in a restaurant. children, all of them.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Monday, 27 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
His $1.33 is a 1% tip, you see? Dick.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
yes i see that?
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
He's the dick, not you! :0 I was xposting to the "could've rounded off" comment, sorry!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
what i don't get is... if waiting tables isn't a "real job" and everyone actually got a "real job", who the fuck would be left to serve this guy his fucking food???
i know ppl usually meant well, but when i was a waitress i would often get ppl asking me "so what else do you do?", as if they thought that waitressing FT was not an option. and sometimes, even when i would reply "uh i waitress full time", ppl would still insist "yeah but WHAT ELSE do you do??" "NOTHING bc running around a non-airconditioned restaurant for 40 hrs a week without breaks is really fucking exhausting".
― just1n3, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
it was fake
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:05 (twelve years ago) link
Not surprised to see that news.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago) link
heard it was by the same guy who ran ghetto hikes
― I DIED, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
According to Harper's Index this month, 6 of 7 jobs in the U.S. are in the service industry.
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
I imagine they said service sector, not service industry
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
waiting for max's expose tbh
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
I don't honestly know the difference between those two things. xp
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
but I am totes willing to own up to probably misquoting a factoid; sorry Harper's Index
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_sector_of_the_economy
it encompasses both investment bankers and waitresses. just about anyone who doesn't grow food or work in a factory yet still gets paid money for some reason.
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
is education a part of it?
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
yup
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
well now that I am BETTER INFORMED, that Harper's Index factoid seems less astonishinghttp://www.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID15166/images/the_more_you_know2(1).jpg
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
it's still astonishing in the big picture, we have some people who are so good at growing food that everyone else just gets to sit at desks or walk around and do things for other people all day, and somehow it works out
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
leaving susan b anthony and sacajawea dollars at a bar as a tip: too much?
― un® (dayo), Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
The only complaint I've ever heard is when you give them a handful of coins while ordering a drink at a busy bar. Otherwise, it's all legal tender.
― pplains, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
Whenever my mom got dollar coins as waitressing tips, she would hoard them away in a sock, which I never understood at all. So if you're giving them to people like my mom, you're giving them money they'll never spend. I think it's unusual behavior, though.
― Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Saturday, 9 June 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
I pulled the whole two-dollar bill thing for awhile. I knew when I was going out, I was going to tip, and I knew that I was going to tip more than one dollar. Might as well save room in my wallet.
― pplains, Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
I picked up a bunch of dollar coins at one point for tipping and random use. May do so again, but it won't be as cool as the ones I got with Millard Fillmore on them.
"Excellent service, have two Fillmores!""wtf"
― mh, Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
haha. fill your pockets, son, with these fillmores.
I'm rollin' with the Franklins! (Franklin Pierces, that is!)
― pplains, Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
Whenever my mom got dollar coins as waitressing tips, she would hoard them away in a sock, which I never understood at all.
a sock full of coins makes a handy cosh/blackjack for smacking bad tippers
― a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace (onimo), Saturday, 9 June 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
"Feel the weight of the 20 percent you should have given me!" *bammo*
― Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Saturday, 9 June 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
i went to a strip club in new mexico once that gave you change in $2 bills.
― ♆ (gr8080), Saturday, 9 June 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
I still haven't figured out what you at strip clubs in Canada, where $1 and $2 coins exist but no bills
― mh, Saturday, 9 June 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/42/146574106_cc0a0c64df_z.jpg?zz=1
― pplains, Sunday, 10 June 2012 04:41 (eleven years ago) link
nsfw
― contenderizer, Sunday, 10 June 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link
surmounter is a bad tipper
― buzza, Sunday, 10 June 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
how much to tip at a waxing appointment?
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
also I was wondering if it's ok to just ask "what do people normally tip?" if you're paying at the front counter or whatever
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it totally is. or just call ahead and ask.
for a salon service like that i'd tip 15% - 25%, but no less than $10.
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
i love it when people ask me that, it means i might get a tip.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5925465/family-fulfills-deceased-mans-dying-wish-purchase-a-pizza-and-give-the-server-a-500-tip
30-year-old Aaron Collins passed away last week, leaving behind one final wish for his family: To go have a pizza and leave the waiter or waitress a $500.As Aaron sadly had no money with which to fulfill his wish, the family started a website to solicit donations. After just a few days, they reached their goal and headed out to Puccini's to make Aaron's last wish come true.In the video's description, Aaron's brother Seth writes: We think he just wanted to provide a random act of kindness and generosity for someone he thought was under appreciated; the kind of thing that would make a lasting impact they would never forget.And the family's not done yet: They are still accepting donations, and say they will do this again "each time we have $500."
As Aaron sadly had no money with which to fulfill his wish, the family started a website to solicit donations. After just a few days, they reached their goal and headed out to Puccini's to make Aaron's last wish come true.
In the video's description, Aaron's brother Seth writes:
We think he just wanted to provide a random act of kindness and generosity for someone he thought was under appreciated; the kind of thing that would make a lasting impact they would never forget.
And the family's not done yet: They are still accepting donations, and say they will do this again "each time we have $500."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-TOI1mO0A
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Thursday, 12 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
― alan is more upset (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
if my parents do that they better use their own money and not crowdsource it!
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
making me tear up!
i quit my delivery job btw, now i am broke but happy but eventually sad because i'm broke.
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
I hope there's some requirement that the server gives good service. Wouldn't want to reward some surly asshole.
― nickn, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
tip on pre or post tax figure?
always thought it was on the post-tax but noticed the other day on the bill it had a suggested amount, which was 20% of the pre-tax
― suare, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
tipping is a feeling
― Misc. Carnivora (Matt P), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
Huh, I've always gone with post-tax just because that's the big number at the bottom of the check. I guess pre-tax probably makes more sense in the abstract, but, eh, servers gotta pay tax on stuff too, I don't mind the difference. Or is there really high tax on food where you are? It seems like 15-20% of 5-10% is kind of a trivial number, compared to the price of the food.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
tipping is on pre-tax, but generally the kind of people who care aren't tipping so well anyway
― I DIED, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry to revive this.
Anyway, I buy coffee at a local coffee shop. Two bags, in which I ask them to ground for french press. Total comes in to about $42. On top of that, they give me a free coffee drink, which I usually get a latte. How much would you tip on this?
― Jeff, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
Hmm. I don't buy bulk coffee so I'm not sure. The grinding is something they kind of normally do, but feels a little "extra" right? My gut would say to tip something around the price of what the free drink would have cost.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
If the grinding is something they normally do for customers as a service, I don't think it needs to be tipped at all tbqh
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link
Never apologise for reviving this thread! I love it!
Anag, wouldn't making coffee be "something they normally do for customers as a service"?
― Tim, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
(By which I mean, isn't a tip most often applied to things done normally as part of a service? And then an extra special big tip applied to something extra / especially good?)
― Tim, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:57 (eleven years ago) link
My gut would say to tip something around the price of what the free drink would have cost.
maybe a little less than this but otm. a couple bucks at least.
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
my instinct is not to tip for the ground beans because mentally i think of that as 'groceries', oddly
"mentally i think" uh haha
mentalist
― ledge, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
Actually, it was $32 this morning. Price seems to go up and down each time.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
if i get a $12 haircut in the US, i give the guy $15, right?
― caek, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
I'm guessing most customers just go for whole bean, so it does feel like extra. I did $3 this morning. Will probably do $4 next time.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, for a total of $27 xp
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
$3-4 sounds pretty all right, I can't imagine complaining seeing three bucks go in the tip jar!
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
Would you tip a butcher?
Maybe if he gave you a free turkey leg at the end.
― pplains, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
To me the little-freebie is just a nice little opportunity for a moment of recognition between customer and employee - - - you get something you would have bought anyway, the money you would have paid for it leaves your wallet anyway, but both people involved feel like they stepped out of robotically carrying out formal transactions and "gave" something to the other. It's nice.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
really feel like half the time I over-tip, especially when doing so after paying by credit card at restaurants, and under-tip other times. hope the universe averages these out when tallying my karma
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
caek buddy my tip is to shell out a little more for a haircut
― there is no dana, only (goole), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
My butchers (who hand out gratis stock/dog bones to those who need them) have a tip jar. If I got, say, £2.65 in change, the 65 pence goes in the jar. They generally tape a one-sheet, bold-type political screed onto this jar, about the suckage of the UK government etc. It's like reading the fevered thoughts of a non-racist, Murdoch-hating cab driver.
― ella fingerblast hurls forever (suzy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
yeah he seemed kind of unimpressed but was a v low key guy so it was hard to tell. i will fix it next time.
― caek, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
I meant to bump this, not to ask but to tell: if I am carrying four cases of Penta water you just spent $100 on to your car a block away and you don't even give me a dollar, you are a disgusting savage.
― bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/7bNiXkd.jpg
http://gawker.com/5980177/pastor-refuses-to-pay-restaurants-auto+gratuity-asks-server-why-she-deserves-a-bigger-tip-than-god
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
should prob be posted in the reddit thread
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
peoples opinions on tipping are kinda just a black hole
― future crimes (Lamp), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
Any pastor who considers his tithing "a tip" should go back to seminary school.
"Hey, God! Keep the change."
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/coin-flip-mcduck.gif
― pplains, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
How do pastors who are getting paid by the church tithe? Do they have to kick it up a level or something?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
10 percent to Brigham Young football program.
― pplains, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
does god's portion come out pre-tax or what
― goole, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://consumerist.com/2013/01/31/waitress-who-posted-no-tip-receipt-from-pastor-customer-fired-from-job/
― that futterwacken you like is back in style (how's life), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
applebee's otm
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I have mixed feelings cause obv that pastor is a dick but I'm not sure I like the new world where one person being a dick gets their phone number on 4chan etc because some blogger/reddit/etc decided they were the dick-o-the-day
― iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, no, but it's pretty lame to be like "I only wanted the person I was insulting to see that I was insulting her. Now that EVERYONE knows I insulted a defenseless server I'm so MAD AT U."
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
well he's a crazy person, for one
― iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/tipping-pastor-apologizes-687234
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
The folks at The Smoking Gun have interviewed the pastor who left the receipt.
“My heart is really broken,” she tells the site. “I’ve brought embarrassment to my church and ministry.”
The pastor claims that though she scratched out the automatic gratuity on the bill, she left a $6 cash tip at the table. She also alleges that the restaurant charged her the 18% tip anyway.
She left a $6 tip on the table for a party of 20?!?!?! Fuck this person with a chainsaw tbqh.
― Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
well this is going to help all of the "'Canadians' don't tip" stereotypes
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
js
― :C (crüt), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
*ha
that pastor was apparently led to christianity after finding herself homeless and pregnant in the late 90s - how does one go from that situation, to being a pastor, to being the kind of person who treats people, who are barely making a living, with such little respect?
― just1n3, Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
and she doesn't apologize anywhere in that interview - she's embarrassed for herself and on behalf of her church, but she doesn't seem to feel that bad for the waiter she stiffed.
― just1n3, Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
Stiffed and got fired!
― Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
Which is probably exactly what Jesus would have done so
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:23 AM (2 minutes ago)
otm.
wasn't there a "Christians don't tip" piece posted upthread too?
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
there's also often "blah people don't tip" talk
― Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
Canadians are pretty blah, Phil.
― that futterwacken you like is back in style (how's life), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
Re: Pastor Alois Bell and her tithe's of Applebee's Joy.It's my sincere hope that this alleged "Woman of God" is removed from her position within your church.She revealed herself to be a craven, self-centered, shallow, sanctimonious, piece of un-Godly filth. Not only is she incapable of leading a congregation but she's also proven herself incapable of interacting with the world at large.It is my sincere hope that you will thoughtfully pray on this matter and deem it necessary to remove her from your church. Meanwhile, I will be praying that she gets hit by a bus.Yours in Christ.John Doughtry
It's my sincere hope that this alleged "Woman of God" is removed from her position within your church.
She revealed herself to be a craven, self-centered, shallow, sanctimonious, piece of un-Godly filth. Not only is she incapable of leading a congregation but she's also proven herself incapable of interacting with the world at large.
It is my sincere hope that you will thoughtfully pray on this matter and deem it necessary to remove her from your church. Meanwhile, I will be praying that she gets hit by a bus.
Yours in Christ.
John Doughtry
The bile this shit inspires is depressing. It was a dick move, completely, totally. But, and I'm saying this as someone who's worked for tips in the past, it was six fucking dollars; let's all relax and try to keep from calling people filth.
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be cool with getting tithes if I were a server. 10% of a customer's income sounds nice!
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
One of the earlier stories mentions that the table had asked for the full bill to be divided up, allegedly to avoid the automatic 18% tip. Bell's portion was $34.93. A $6 tip on that portion is reasonable, but there are still a lot of unknowns in the story. Still, a dick move.
― Dr. Alfred P. Falfa (WilliamC), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
The January 25 meal came after an evening service at the Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries church
yeah i'm sure not much of the money is going back the preacher lol
― downton arby (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
story also says the church has 15 members and the pastor has a full time day job
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
everyone's a dick in this story imo, but have zero sympathy for the reddit poster who got fired from her job at a corporate restaurant chain. what the fuck did she expect
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
i think i would warm to dawn richards if i listened to it more, but i dont see that happening
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
oops wrong thread
haha are you sure?
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
Would you listen to Dawn Richards more if you knew she tipped well at Applebee's tho
― Thinspo Merkin Life (Spectrist), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
applebees doesnt really seem like it fits w/ dawn richards whole thing, but if she shot a video inside of one i'd definitely watch it at least once
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
imagine Dawn wielding a sword, squaring off against a Bloomin' Onion
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
I've always heard that people with inner ear problems tip the most
― Garth Brooks In ... The Life of (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
The dick move was the note on the check, which is one step beyond simply not leaving a tip. That's not just being cheap, that's, like, motive. That's: I'm not going to leave the tip, and I'll tell you why, and also I am better than you because I serve God.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
xps thing is, it's not just a measly 6 bucks - i doubt this is the first (or last) time this woman has stiffed a waiter or been horribly condescending, it's just the first time she's been publicly shamed for it.
― just1n3, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think people should be publicly shamed for being crazy pastors until they are doing things worse than not tipping
― iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'm ok with huge public shamefests for small offenses.
― Dr. Alfred P. Falfa (WilliamC), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
I think she was publicly shamed for being a complete sanctimonious jerk and/or jerking money out of someone's hands to make a trite and unconvincing point about the way the industry that person works in is run. It's like if your cab got someplace and you just got out and ran away without paying because in your ideal world, there would be a government-provided network of driverless cars paid for out of a tax on greenhouse gas emissions. And PS, God.
I applaud the idea that you can't just go around jerking people around and insulting them and never get called out on it.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
xsp she runs a 15-person storefront church, there's a good chance she already is doing horrible shit
― Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
Everybody otm
Xp cept casino (sorry dr)
― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
And only cos i didnt agree with yr analogy at all, nothin personal like
Also just, I mean, special circle of hell who have beef with automatic gratuity on large parties, are surprised by it, or try to weasel out of it. Grow up.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Haha no worries, it was weak, i can't do this shit on a phone really
Mandatory tips are dumbPassive aggressive notes to service staff are nasty and smallPosting work shit on the internet is begging for the sackTithing is for maniacs
― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
tipping is a social custom whereas you legally owe money to a cab driver
it's a good social custom but crazy people break social customs a lot that is part of being crazy
― iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
The one time in my adult life when I wanted to join a church, I showed up for a few Sundays in a row, but then they had am entire sermon about tithing. Never went back.
― that futterwacken you like is back in style (how's life), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Fwiw the large-party gratuity is part of the bill and not 'social custom' any moreso than sales tax or the overpriced Chocolate Thunder Down Under.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
as long as it's written on the menu, yeah
― iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
"Sorry, M'amm. Your baggage exceeds our maximum weight limit. You'll have to pay an extra $30."
"THE LORD DOESN'T MAKE ME PAY FOR EXTRA BAGGAGE."
― pplains, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
"M'amm"?
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
impatient apostrophe
― pplains, Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
I was going to follow up with "I apologize, T'it" but that seemed to obvious even for me
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw she wasn't stiffed, you can't really avoid being charged an automatic gratuity fee afaik
and mandatory tips are not dumb are you serious? a party of 20 might've been one of her only tables that shift, or her only table.
― #guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Thursday, 31 January 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
Chocolate Thunder from Down Under? You, sir, do not know your Applebees from the obvious Australianisms of the Outback Steakhouse
― mh, Thursday, 31 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
always good when the reddit internet can exercise its hatred of christianity and its sublimated racism while also claiming to be on the side of little guy in the service industry
― max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
Mandatory tips are dumb
Even on smaller, 8-person tables, you'll have others but if you get stiffed on a $100 tab, at most restaurants in the US the serving is losing ~$5-6 for the privilege of waiting on those people. I think in the early '00s I was tipping out 3.5% to the general staff plus 5% of bar sales to service bar.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 31 January 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
Parties of 6 or more seem to get autotipped everywhere I go at home, also in UK (where it's an automatic service charge).
Strangely, during the time I waited/bussed tables (and also during the 15 years my sister, who sometimes says racist things, was a waitress) I never once heard of this concept of black (or church) people being stingy tippers. So until there were internet messageboards, I did not know this was a thing.
Gawker also covering itself in glory with stereotypey/racisty commenters (though I grant some of them may have only started posting to Gawk on the thread in question).
― karl lagerlout (suzy), Thursday, 31 January 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
sad lols :-(
― max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
Gawker commenters in general seem to be just as dumb and offensive as Reddit posters.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
except for Fleshbot commenters, they're class acts
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
oh man, I had forgotten about the existence of fleshbot between say 2008 and now!
― that futterwacken you like is back in style (how's life), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I never realized fleshbot was a gawker thing
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
oh wow, and clicking on links delivers livejasmin chat pop-ups.
― that futterwacken you like is back in style (how's life), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
fleshbot is no longer a gawker thing, got sold a couple years ago
― max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
did the buyer leave a tip?
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
left just the tip
― 乒乓, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
strange that music and porn were the two subject areas gawker couldn't make work in covering -- both media most beset by mass illegal file sharing, right?. i guess wonkette didn't succeed enough either, but the gawker main covers plenty of that beat itself.
kinda talking out my ass here
― goole, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
i cant really speak to idolator, for fleshbot (and to some extent wonkette) the big issue was ad sales -- hard to sell ads around politics or porn. for fleshbot in particular, the only ads you can sell are porn ads, so its difficult to do strong independent journalism and still make a living, plus you cant sell inventory across the sites in your network. plus there was a point where gawker was doing some pretty good porn-industry journalism and i think it became clear that... whats the point of having the site if flagship is doing the journalism on its niche
― max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
I see where y'all think that mandatory tipping isnt dumb but it v clearly is.
― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
it is dumb but that is how it works here, and shafting the server is not an appropriate response to its stupidity
― mookieproof, Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
its not mandatory, its automatic. its a small but distinct difference.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
I wouldnt stiff the waitress or anything, when in rome etc, but when i leave rome i reserve the right to say 'rome does shit dumb'
― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
fair
― mookieproof, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
i would love to go to rome
― suze (Matt P), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
I"M GONNA MAKE ME A 'ORRIBLE POST ABOUT IT TO ME ILXOR CHUMS
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
it's not the autotip that's dumb, it's the fact that servers are legally allowed to be paid below-poverty-level wages (just reiterating the obvious here)
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
but if tips are mandatory u miss out on the karma boost
― flopson, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
i love auto-gratuity because it makes it so easy to leave super-tip
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
Here's a tip: screw you! ;)
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Keep it down with that salty Canadian language.
― pplains, Friday, 1 February 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
I knew right after I posted that I couldn't have come up with a more Canadian joke, sigh. But I tip well at least.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
canadians are pretty eh, phil
― #guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
lol at FFM thinking she's "canadian"
― mh, Friday, 1 February 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
lol at mh thinking I'm a "she"
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 1 February 2013 02:11 (eleven years ago) link
Lol at all of you for thinking this is not a dream
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 1 February 2013 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't know "she" was a euphemism when it came to tipping!
― mh, Friday, 1 February 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
I worked at headquarters for a buffet chain that re-classed many of their employees as "servers" so they could legally reduce their pay below minimum wage.
Can you imagine working a minimum wage job and getting the memo that your wage was being cut?
How did they make them servers? In addition to their standard tasks like restocking the buffet and cleaning tables, they were made to pour coffee, offer deserts, and do a few other server tasks, and had their wages cut for it.
A buffet chain! Have you ever seen someone tip at a buffet chain?
― © all the feelings (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 1 February 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
yup; all of my older relatives who were on fixed incomes loved buffet chains (yours in particular) and would always tip 15% on their meals
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 1 February 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://brokelyn.com/how-giving-up-tipping-saved-me-10000-in-one-year/
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
upon thinking abt this, i am pretty sure it's an april fool. i was all ready for a vitriolic thread, too.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
it's def an april fool, woulda been better if they used a reasonable $ figure
― iatee, Monday, 1 April 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
Just yesterday, for instance, I wrote some adorkable emails to coworkers that I spent all day on, and I felt like my creative juices were just flowing like boxed wine at book club.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 1 April 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
digging gr8080's new posting style
― markers, Monday, 1 April 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/eEPcCp3.jpg
― 乒乓, Friday, 12 April 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link
hahaha yesssssss
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
I am tipping you in Coca Cola Rewards codes.
― how's life, Friday, 12 April 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
fuckin' dot biz
― how's life, Friday, 12 April 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
This is what all my friend's kids are getting in their Christmas cards.
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 12 April 2013 20:22 (ten years ago) link
Do you tip at dim sum? I would have thought yes but the dude from china I was eating with said no, and the person behind the counter crossed out the tip line on the credit card thing
― Dan I., Sunday, 21 April 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
in general Chinese people are not used to tipping
― 乒乓, Sunday, 21 April 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
only white people feel so entitled to give/receive tips
― 乒乓, Sunday, 21 April 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
It felt so wrong not tipping when I was in HK. My brain just cannot compute.
― Jeff, Sunday, 21 April 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
how much would you tip on an $18 cocktail. asking for a friend
― 乒乓, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link
I think it depends on the context, like if it's $18 cause the place is ripping you off or if it's $18 because it's some crazy drink that involves lots of preparation
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I would never pay $18 for a cocktail.
I would run out of the place and never go back.
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I always tip $1 per drink if ordering at the bar. This is partially to encourage establishments to avoid having $18 drinks.
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 7 June 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link
Waterface is NOT gabbneb
― and whaterface (how's life), Friday, 7 June 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
doi
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
just had a mental image of a dude with a water face and a blended haircut and needed a lol pause
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, 7 June 2013 20:27 (ten years ago) link
tip $4
― Lamp, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
Dear Jehovah what is this mess
like the notion i've got of your never having seen either of the first two coasts. or apparently not knowing what a blended haircut is. but thanks for your personal comments.
― gabbneb, Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:27 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
Why are there more than two coasts?
R.I.P. ilx ski team.
― Catsuppppppppppppperface (how's life), Friday, 7 June 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
The United States borders on three oceans, btw.
― pplains, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
I guess it's more of "the first two" coasts than anything else. Along with the raw vibe & attitude.
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:09 (ten years ago) link
Dude was real, he put it out there.
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:11 (ten years ago) link
the raw vibe & attitude
― pplains, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link
as part of the american elite, gabnebb was informed of our near-term plans to conquer india
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:13 (ten years ago) link
wanted to bring some bicoastal attitude, couldn't let the opportunity slide to lord it over people who aint never heard of the third coast tho, complicated move, awkward execution, i give it a 5.5
― j., Friday, 7 June 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
you're remarkably ill-informed about which parts of the US face water, waterface
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
You know what's weird is you're not the first person to mention that.
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:19 (ten years ago) link
lol! you're alright, kid.
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link
Thanks pardner
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link
i would tip $2 on that drink but i would never order it.
― Treeship, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:33 (ten years ago) link
tipping on a drink you're not ordering is hella generous, mr bigshot over here
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link
$2 for every drink on the menu.
― Treeship, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:35 (ten years ago) link
can I have $2 treeship
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:36 (ten years ago) link
i will loan you two dollars if you can come up with a repayment plan with an interest rate that both of us find reasonable
― Treeship, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link
free tips from treeship!
xp you ruined it :-(((
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:39 (ten years ago) link
in the bartending world he's known as treetip
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
Tipship
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
Shit
tipship gives shit tips but treetip ships top tips
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:41 (ten years ago) link
p@t finn, tip f@nn
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:41 (ten years ago) link
tall tips sink treeships
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
let me give all of you a tip:think before u pun.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link
(leaves thread w/o tipping ian)
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 21:43 (ten years ago) link
mine was an anagram, how much thought do you need?
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
if i may cross threads for a moment here, i thought one of the best jokes in the new arrested development was lucille abt tipping the bathroom attendant.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 7 June 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
Sippin' sizzurp in my ride, like Three SixNow I'm tippin' so high like a Treeship
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 8 June 2013 01:38 (ten years ago) link
i tipped $3.50 per $16 drink in the end
― 乒乓, Saturday, 8 June 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link
i mean, my friend did.
Tipped u an fp
― posters who have figured how to priv (darraghmac), Saturday, 8 June 2013 10:51 (ten years ago) link
thanks for the tip
― 乒乓, Saturday, 8 June 2013 11:28 (ten years ago) link
Oh, you earned it
― posters who have figured how to priv (darraghmac), Saturday, 8 June 2013 11:30 (ten years ago) link
it was my privilege
― 乒乓, Saturday, 8 June 2013 11:36 (ten years ago) link
Check, pls
― posters who have figured how to priv (darraghmac), Saturday, 8 June 2013 11:44 (ten years ago) link
http://dealbreaker.com/uploads/2012/02/drudge-siren.gif http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22846846 http://dealbreaker.com/uploads/2012/02/drudge-siren.gif
― conrad, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:36 (ten years ago) link
i ate at a sushi place yesterday where we were literally not allowed to tip, it was pretty great
― 乒乓, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:38 (ten years ago) link
was it Sushi Yasuda
― conrad, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link
yes : (
― 乒乓, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link
hah i didn't realize it was a recent change
― 乒乓, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:43 (ten years ago) link
lets ban tipping
― conrad, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:43 (ten years ago) link
i go to a brewery that has a "taproom" that only serves their own beer, has a three drink maximum, closes at 9pm, does not accept cash, and does not accept tips.
you can however, have a "beer for the bartender" put on your tab as a gesture of gratitude (which i assume just funnels revenue in to an "employees drink for free" sub-account).
― http://threeframes.net (gr8080), Friday, 14 June 2013 13:57 (ten years ago) link
Is that around here?
― Jeff, Friday, 14 June 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link
naperville
― http://threeframes.net (gr8080), Friday, 14 June 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link
That would have been my guess.
― Jeff, Friday, 14 June 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link
is there also a little paragraph on the fancy card they presumably have somewhere that tells you how this setup works, or does the bartender earn the gratitude mostly by explaining to people how to tip the bartender
― j., Friday, 14 June 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link
there's a paragraph on their website about it and a brief note printed on the bottom of their beer list
― http://threeframes.net (gr8080), Friday, 14 June 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link
http://consumerist.com/2013/06/07/nyc-restaurant-tells-customers-that-tipping-is-not-allowed/
The restaurant worker justice org that I used to work with says:
just talked to them. They claim to pay workers $20 + / hour. Now we just need to verify that with some actual workers.
― Je55e, Friday, 14 June 2013 15:19 (ten years ago) link
i went to this place where you stood around in a line, cafeteria style - kind of like chipotle. the difference was, they had a server who would come up to you before you ordered and asked if you wanted to stay or take out. if you wanted to stay, she'd tried to coordinate it so that there would be an empty table by the time you got to the end. when it came time to pay, i paid by credit card and on the receipt there was space for a tip. everybody had been very cordial. i became confused, and didn't tip anything, but now i am thinking maybe i should have. it was an unpleasant experience. in conclusion, i would never yelp there again.
― 乒乓, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
When did you pay? On your way out, after you finished eating?
If that's the case, 10 percent for the hostess and tea lady, if this place was cafeteria style.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
I once forgot to tip at a restaurant. I drove 10 miles back to the restaurant, and gave the dude his tip along with an apology. He looked at me like I was insane. It was probably the worst I've ever felt.
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
you paid after you got your food but before you sat down, like chipotle xp
― 乒乓, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
Never been to chipotle.
If they're making you pay before you leave, asking for a tip while you're still standing over your tray of food, I'd say fuckit. Throw a dollar or two on the table when you're done.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah... a lot of places by virtue of being a restaurant will have the tip section on the credit card receipt, even if you're just getting takeout or w/e. it's terrifying
― 乒乓, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
Do I have to tip in Belgium?
― Jeff, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link
in Austin right now, there are a bunch of trendy restaurants that are set up so you wait in a long, slow moving line to get up to a counter where you place your order. Oftentimes, you will be served drinks as you wait in line. In some cases you get your food when you order and in others it is brought to you. Either way, it is a somewhat less service-intensive model than a regular restaurant, but I think they still expect you to tip as if they were identical.
As far as I can tell, the whole purpose of this is to reduce the space of the restaurant and make it look like it is extremely popular because there is always a big line. Suffice it to say, I have mixed feelings about this model.
― Moodles, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
Those places where you have to take back some plastic flag with a number or a postcard of Jane Russell inside an acrylic stand back to your table are low on my list. You're caught in this purgatory zone of having officially become a customer without any of the benefits. I mean, places get slammed sometimes and that's necessary, but as part of the regular routine, it sucks.
Like at fast food drive-thru places where they take your money, give you a Coke and then tell you to pull up a little bit and someone will come out with your order. I had that purgatory last me 20 minutes once. I can't pull away since I already paid. I can go inside and wait or complain, but that defeats the whole point of a drive-thru.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 June 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
Jeff: at a restaurant add 10% or so, though it's not really compulsory. At a bar: no. I round up a cab fare and add a euro, generally.
― Tim, Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in a lot of restaurants you're supposed to tip for takeout tho
(i'm guessing this has already been discussed itt a million times)
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
the thing that gets me is when i'm using a card for my $6 sandwich at a pit beef stand, just an easy walk-up-and-order deal, and there's a tip line on the receipt and they just stare at me until i sign the receipt and give it back. i always end up not writing anything but then i empty the change in my pockets into the tip jar and hope they hear it
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
tip for takeout, really?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 20 June 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
in places where you'd tip a waiter, yeah, just not as much as you'd tip a waiter
http://www.chow.com/food-news/55584/should-you-tip-on-takeout/
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:24 (ten years ago) link
See I'm always torn on that. I always want to give something if it's a sit down restaurant, because I know they're probably tipping out on it, but since I drove up there to get it, wasn't waited on, and this wasn't a delivery, I feel like 10% is usually enough (whereas I give 20% when sat at a sit down restaurant, hell even at places like Golden Corral).
but yeah, a place like Chipotle, fuck that.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link
But the majority is in the wrong. You should tip Amazon.com, because filling your order takes work. Someone has to take your order over the internet, and that order could be different items from opposite sides of the warehouse — in other words, complicated. Or worse, it could be vague. Many times orders are returned because the customer ordered the wrong thing.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:36 (ten years ago) link
If Starbucks baristas didn't make five times what a Waffle House waitress makes, I'd consider it.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
tipping on take out? fuck that. the sushi restaurant across the street from me AUTOMATICALLY adds a 10% tip to your bill for take out. we haven't been back.
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
I agree with some of the conclusions that author makes, but not how they arrived at them. Otherwise, why didn't I get tipped at fucking Arby's?
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
those sandwiches were hard to make. and I worked there when they required us to open and clean the slicer. I literally got wounds and grease burns FOR YOUR FUCKING BEEF 'N CHEDDARS. had you all tipped me maybe I wouldn't have had to keep stealing food while on the job
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
Because you were horrible at Arby's - my horsey sauce didn't even taste like horse.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
;_;
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
tipping is a nice thing to do
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:43 (ten years ago) link
I'm going to start wearing shades into restaurants so that I can tip them at servers and say "there you go" on the way out the door
― DJP, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
I am pro-tipping waitstaff btw as opposed to giving them 'livable wages', cuz I think they do better in the tip scenario. One of the advantages of the industry is that if you get into some financial trouble and need money quick, if you work for a good and busy restaurant, it's fairly easy to get some immediate cash, and pick up shifts to make extra (rather than having to wait for that paycheck to hit, which will be the same amount check to check).
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
We have talked about tipping on takeout before and it is the right thing to do if it is a place that is primarily a sit-down place. The person who prepared your take-out order didn't just "do work," she did work that she ordinarily gets tipped for, and preparing your take-out took time away from them giving the best possible service to these tables. In an aggregate way it is eating into their tips. When you are running around in the kitchen and have like eight things you should be doing to get your tables served and then you have to get a fucking to-go order together, it takes some kind of pride in your job to say "okay, I'm going to take the time to make sure this order is right, argue with the cook if it's wrong, make sure they have the condiments they might want but haven't specifically asked for" - all that stuff.
If it's just primarily a take-out place and they have a beat-up plastic jug there, I would still throw your change or a buck in there because a) why not, b) it might be going to, like, the delivery person to cover for the people who under-tip. Or for all I know they empty it out at the end of the shift and buy a six-pack to share - wtf do I care, it's 65 cents or a dollar or whatever.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:22 (ten years ago) link
I got a slice and a salad to go today, fully intending to dump the change in the tiny little jar on the counter. Total came out to $5.93. So what the fuck am I gonna do.
1.) "Oh, go ahead and keep the change."
2.) Get out my wallet, with the line behind me, and fish out a buck, hoping rainbows and bluebirds don't fall out in front of everyone when I stick it in the jar.
3.) Take the change and get out of there, noting in my head that I'll get them the next time, maybe even stuff a dollar in my shirt pocket.
Went with (3.)
― pplains, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:28 (ten years ago) link
in that situation you are supposed to give them your watch.
― Treeship, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link
ha, it seems i made the exact same post two years ago:
servers still often have to tip out on to-go orders, which i get most ppl dont really realize, but its always fun to lose money on an order― dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:40 PM Bookmarkthis can't get stated enough. One of my MANAGERS actually remarked that "hey, the whole reason I *order* food to-go is so I don't have to tip! Ha ha!" and I just about stabbed the guy. People who go to sit-down restaurants and order to-go food HAVE TO TIP at least a couple bucks. It's like, yeah, you're not sitting down and getting refills and as much checking-in, but the server (who has actual tables, who they are trying to GIVE attention to) is taking time away from that to run around and get your to-go order together, including all the behind-the-scenes service (making sure it's made right, arguing with the cook when it's not, including the condiments you might want, putting the ice cream in a separate styrofoam thing so it doesn't melt as fast etc etc) - - c'mon!sorry, sore spot, carry on y'all.― Doctor Casino, Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:50 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:50 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:35 (ten years ago) link
wait, what was the issue with #2 again? Rainbows?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
2.) "Seven cents in change, eh? Well, just hold the phone for a second. I think I can do better than that! Let me just take a moment to... let's see... yes, yes... here it is! A whole dollar for your little tip receptacle. Now, don't spend it all in one place, haha. Good day! To you M'amm."
― pplains, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:40 (ten years ago) link
as long as you aren't wearing a top hat i don't think you would come across that way.
― Treeship, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:41 (ten years ago) link
tax evasion is about the only systemic advantage i can see for tipping vs paying people more.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:42 (ten years ago) link
― pplains, Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
huh cool, amazing how the money you used to pay for the thing teleported itself from your wallet to the cashier without you having to do any of this
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 21 June 2013 02:59 (ten years ago) link
I got out the money I estimated it'd be, not realizing it was slightly more expensive. As I said, I'll know better next time when I teleport myself back over there.
― pplains, Friday, 21 June 2013 03:04 (ten years ago) link
YOU TELEPORT YOURSELF BACK THERE RIGHT THIS SECOND
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 21 June 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
http://bushwickdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/teleport-gif.gif
― Treeship, Friday, 21 June 2013 03:08 (ten years ago) link
go go pleasant plainers, you mighty tippin' pleasant plainers
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 21 June 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
(guitar solo)
― Treeship, Friday, 21 June 2013 03:13 (ten years ago) link
Morphing is not a city in China, guys.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 21 June 2013 03:15 (ten years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's also same-day money, which can be a big advantage. When I waited tables, I enjoyed the fact that I didn't have to wait every two weeks for my windfall, I took home cash nightly. (Though I also made about 1/6th what I make now, but that's cuz I worked in a shitty restaurant).
― Neanderthal, Friday, 21 June 2013 04:49 (ten years ago) link
so it's like tivo for your money?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 21 June 2013 05:21 (ten years ago) link
5 years after I quit waiting tables and started working as a legal assistant, I'm still not making what I was making waiting tables (at a seafood restaurant w/ lots of business clientele).
Tax evasion on tips is less common these days due to credit cards and the magic of the restaurant automatically reporting imputed tips for cash sales. Which means that if you get stuffed on a cash sale, you wind up in the hole for that sale.
― Je55e, Friday, 21 June 2013 11:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah. restaurants are bad at the whole reconciling thing, too. there was one period of time where my restaurant, less than a year before it shut down, was doing horrible business. Friday nights, most waiters were taking home a measily $50. One night I worked a long shift and due to it being ridiculously slow, my tips plus the $2.13 an hour I got paid at the time actually came out to less than minimum wage. So naturally, I reported my tips accurately that night. Also, at the time I was in school, so I only worked a handful of shifts a week.
The restaurant was legally required to adjust my pay so that I made minimum wage. Instead, they altered the tips I reported to claim more than I actually made. Illegal, yes, but at the time I had just gone to corporate behind the GM's back about some unethical practice in our store, which they forced him to desist, so I was afraid of getting shitcanned for farting or coughing so I just said nothing.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 21 June 2013 12:22 (ten years ago) link
How much should you tip your server for farting?
― kinder, Friday, 21 June 2013 12:43 (ten years ago) link
Restaurant managers can be the worst bosses. Either they have never worked as servers or bartenders, so they don't understand how to manage for those jobs*, or they did, and they get bitter about servers and bartenders making so much more than they are.
* At my last waiting job, we had a dipshit manager who was promoted from a few months of hosting after never having worked in a restaurant. He tried to write me up for using hand sanitizer instead of washing my hands after every single time I touched a used dish. Which is IMPOSSIBLE if you want to have time to do the rest of the job. He removed all the containers of hand sanitizer from wait stations.
― Je55e, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link
ok, i understand tipping on take out from a sitdown restaurant now... i'm just never gonna get takeout from a sitdown restaurant then
― 乒乓, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:17 (ten years ago) link
I don't think I've ever gotten takeout from a sitdown restaurant? Unless that includes like Indian places that have some perfunctory tables that no one ever uses.I didn't even know this was a thing people would do!
― chinavision!, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:34 (ten years ago) link
We have to do this a fair amount, unfortunately.
― WilliamC, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:40 (ten years ago) link
wait I don't even get takeout from Indian places, just delivery, in which case the delivery guy obviously gets a tip.
― chinavision!, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:42 (ten years ago) link
I get takeout from sit down places all the time, because they're so popular/crowded that there's a two-hour wait for a table, and they don't take reservations.
― This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Friday, 21 June 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link
I get takeout all the time from pizza places and sandwich shops with tables. It's those weirdos who do shit like get takeout from Outback Steakhouse® that freak me out.
― pplains, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:45 (ten years ago) link
I also don't eat a lot of good food tbh
― chinavision!, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:45 (ten years ago) link
There were always people getting carryout back when I worked at Applebee's. Hey - a Bourbon Street Steak in a styrofoam box is still a Bourbon Street Steak, right?
― how's life, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:47 (ten years ago) link
Pizza places are just spare change tips though, as are sandwich shops? Again, mostly perfunctory tables, no servers, etc.Xpost
― chinavision!, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:47 (ten years ago) link
I've already got a pair of snowshoes and an old license plate on my wall. Why should I pay extra to sit down here?
― how's life, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:48 (ten years ago) link
If I'm doing it wrong I'm willing to learn
― chinavision!, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:49 (ten years ago) link
"Excuse me, I got my Hot Spicy Mama Extra-Special Fajitas as take out, and once I got home, they weren't sizzling. THEY WEREN'T SIZZLING."
― pplains, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:49 (ten years ago) link
sometimes i pick up food at a bar/grill place near home and i always tip a few bucks. now, depending on who is working, sometimes i get a free beer while i wait. see, tipping is good for everyone.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 21 June 2013 13:50 (ten years ago) link
lol, pplains. I'm imagining the sizzling sound slowly dying over the course of the car ride home.
― how's life, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link
― pplains, Friday, June 21, 2013 9:49 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You joke, but some dude in our restaurant who was dining in said this once. He complained that the Fajitas stopped sizzling 10 minutes into his meal, and when the waiter explained that they weren't designed to sizzle indefinitely, he complained that "well it doesn't taste the same anymore now". as if the sizzling was some magic candy that gave the meal pop rock flavoring.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 21 June 2013 13:53 (ten years ago) link
But it IS, in a way.
Once at Chili's, my dad was served some fajitas that were acting very quiet. I pointed at them and asked if they were cold, and he said no. But why weren't they sizzling?
The waiter sheepishly explained that there's a special liquid they squirt out of a condiment container to make the fajitas sizzle, albeit artificially.
Everything is a lie.
― pplains, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:09 (ten years ago) link
I bet that special liquid is water.
― carl agatha, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:12 (ten years ago) link
Haha the sizzling fajitas thing is so weird. Why is it JUST fajitas that get the special sizzle treatment?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 June 2013 14:13 (ten years ago) link
xpost it's the tears of those wronged by Fajita sizzle fraud
― Neanderthal, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, June 21, 2013 10:13 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
*imagines a plate of hot dogs and fries sizzling*
― Neanderthal, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:15 (ten years ago) link
It's not just fajitas. I've seen it done with steaks and chicken and even once at an Indian restaurant, which was weird. It's basically just a matter of heating up a skillet and dumping liquid onto it, so yeah, like carl agatha said, water or whatever.
― how's life, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link
I worked at Ruby Tuesday, and they got the fajitas to sizzle by keeping the skillets under a 500-some degree heating element (salamander) and tossing the meat and veggies on at the last second. They would sizzle so much that the vapors would trigger the fire alarms at least half the time, and mall security would have to come reset them.
xp- no water at Ruby's, just juices
― Je55e, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
A quick internet search says it's not water, but "sizzle sauce."
Kinda wish I hadn't gone internet searching.
― pplains, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:30 (ten years ago) link
Hey it's important, the sizzle is fucking important y'all
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 June 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
I hate living in this world where GIS results for "sizzle sauce" are suprisingly tame.
― how's life, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
It makes sense for there to be a lime juice component in sizzle sauce.
― carl agatha, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:34 (ten years ago) link
pretty common at indian restaurants ime
― caek, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link
there are a bunch of classic chinese dishes that do the sizzle, you wanna look for the prefix 铁板 which means metal plate
― 乒乓, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
or dolsot bibimbap
― 乒乓, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:52 (ten years ago) link
only time i get takeout from a real sit-down restaurant is when i'm alone and craving pad se ew and you're damn right i'm never going to eat alone at a sit-down restaurant
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Friday, 21 June 2013 14:56 (ten years ago) link
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/food-for-men/why-tipping-should-be-illegal-15603180
― Jeff, Friday, 21 June 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
food-for-men
― 10zing blogay (seandalai), Friday, 21 June 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
I know, right.
― Jeff, Friday, 21 June 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
a must-read from world's worst movie blogger (comments esp)
http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2013/06/punishment/#disqus_thread
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 June 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link
expert trolling. he knows his audience.
― caek, Saturday, 22 June 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
must be bad at it when even the internet commenters won't blindly follow his beck and call.
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link
http://jayporter.com/dispatches/observations-from-a-tipless-restaurant-part-1-overview/
― pr0n tsar (cozen), Thursday, 1 August 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
good read. i assumed this revive would be about drew brees.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 August 2013 22:38 (ten years ago) link
thanks, that was great.
― sleepingsignal, Friday, 2 August 2013 00:00 (ten years ago) link
Now, let’s say that on a typical shift, a restaurant sells $1000 in food and drink. It would be reasonable that, to make that revenue, a restaurant has 2 cooks who work 8 hours each, a dishwasher who works 8 hours, and two servers who work 6 hours each. We can extrapolate from standard industry models that, of the $1000 in sales, there will be $300 available to cover the 36 hours of labor. It just so happens that this math means that everyone in the house will make $8/hour, which is of course both minimum wage and a poverty wage. But that’s just how the pie divides.And yet, wait! We’ve forgotten something. There are also 220 extra dollars paid by the guests as tips. (This 22% is typical for restaurants like ours in San Diego — the exact amount will change with restaurant style and location.) This tip money could add another $6/hour to everyone’s wage, getting everyone up to $14/hr. While $14/hr isn’t enough to live well in San Diego, it starts approaching realistic money.However, to give the tip money to every worker would be illegal. The law is historically very clear — the $220 in tips belongs to the two servers only, and cannot be distributed to any other employees. So, the two servers make a total of about $26/hour each, while everyone else in the restaurant is stuck at $8/hour.
And yet, wait! We’ve forgotten something. There are also 220 extra dollars paid by the guests as tips. (This 22% is typical for restaurants like ours in San Diego — the exact amount will change with restaurant style and location.) This tip money could add another $6/hour to everyone’s wage, getting everyone up to $14/hr. While $14/hr isn’t enough to live well in San Diego, it starts approaching realistic money.
However, to give the tip money to every worker would be illegal. The law is historically very clear — the $220 in tips belongs to the two servers only, and cannot be distributed to any other employees. So, the two servers make a total of about $26/hour each, while everyone else in the restaurant is stuck at $8/hour.
― 乒乓, Friday, 2 August 2013 00:08 (ten years ago) link
Great read so far.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 August 2013 04:12 (ten years ago) link
in my mind, tipping is directly responsible for yelp culture
― 乒乓, Friday, 2 August 2013 04:15 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I had intense Yelp-related thoughts on reading this:
Our most transgressive act was refusing to allow our guests to pay our servers anything more beyond the service charge — this is where the angry came out. A certain small number of very vocal men (and it was always men) resented that we were not letting them try to exercise additional control over our team members. This was true even though compelling research has shown that servers do not adjust quality of service as a result of tips; instead the idea that the restaurant was not offering our servers up as objects of control, was heresy. For these people, the primary service they wanted from the restaurant was the opportunity to pay for favors from the server — much like the patron at a strip club pays the club for the opportunity to dangle bills in front a dancer for individual attention. The idea that a restaurant could legitimately want to be in a different business than a strip club, was not an idea these guests could countenance. Thus, I was ever subject to witty takedowns like you are a douche, along with other well-thought-out gems.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 August 2013 04:26 (ten years ago) link
it's otm but i think dude really overestimates how much servers make especially in $2.13/hr environments. have never been a server tho so
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Friday, 2 August 2013 05:26 (ten years ago) link
Depends seriously on the restaurant. I imagine that an upscale farm-to-table operation probably has bigger checks than the Holiday Inn restaurants I used to work at.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 August 2013 06:50 (ten years ago) link
At a bar in London last night they had a tip jar. Had never seen that in my limited time here. I threw all my change in it. No idea how much it was but it was probably a lot because people keep giving me these 1 and 2 pound coins.
― Jeff, Friday, 2 August 2013 08:11 (ten years ago) link
Maybe things are very different in California than states where I've waited tables (and conducted workers' rights workshops), but based on my experience, these statements are wrong:
Because tips cannot legally, in most cases, be controlled by the employer, they are typically distributed (or not distributed, as the case may be) according to a social compact between the employees. That social compact is either unenforced or enforced through social means, like ostracization. In either event, the systems for both acquiring and distributing tips are easily gamed by members of the compact who are intent on doing so.
However, to give the tip money to every worker would be illegal. The law is historically very clear — the $220 in tips belongs to the two servers only, and cannot be distributed to any other employees.
Tipped employees can't be required to share tips w/ management, but tipping out bussers, expediters, runners, and even dishwashers, is legal and normal.
― potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
It's a small point, but so much of his point of view hinges on it.
Not that his model of 86'ing tips and paying a fair wage to all isn't pretty great.
― potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link
"86'ing" oooooh, look at you mr. restaurant jargon.
― I'm in the WEEDS (how's life), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
Clever, no?
― potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
And his ideas of how tip-outs work is strange. IME, tip-outs are invariably based on sales, not tips received. The stingy waiter, withholding tip-outs, under-declaring tips is not very realistic.
― potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:16 (ten years ago) link
it depends on how things are structured - a friend worked in a place that had tip-pooled and people would def underreport their tips at the end of the night by holding cash back or w/e. cases where you tip on out sales are more transparent but also less fair because the server ends up paying out of pocket for customers that stiff them
― password1 (Lamp), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:21 (ten years ago) link
parts 3 + 4 of that blog post are out now btw
― caek, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:33 (ten years ago) link
By perpetuating the idea that servers, and servers alone, won’t perform without the threat of pay withheld, we dehumanize our neighbors and peers who work taking care of us. I think this helps us not feel bad when we sometimes treat them badly. It’s the Stanford Prison Experiment meets Yelp.
"It’s the Stanford Prison Experiment meets Yelp."
New board description?
― nickn, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link
Thing I read the other day: tip your sommelier for 20% the amount of the wine, if it was an awesome recommendation and went well with your meal. I'm glad I never drink wine.
It's been nice, for the last two weeks I've done no tipping other than occasionally rounding up to the nearest pound/euro.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
cases where you tip on out sales are more transparent but also less fair because the server ends up paying out of pocket for customers that stiff them
This is true, but it's made up for by making the percentage of sales-based tip-out correlate to a server's average take (say, 15% tips as opposed to being stiffed or 25%).
Works the same way as income tax based on imputed tip wages - some nights you make $100 in tips but pay taxes on $150, some nights it's the other way around.
Anyway caek OTM. Abolish tipping and bring on fair wages for restaurant workers.
― potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link
― Jeff,
ey mang welcome 2 civilisation
― Dr Peter Who? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
there are plenty of folk who work in well-performing restaurants that would consider a base 'living wage' to be a pay cut.
I can see where for some waiters, who are working in slower restaurants (as I did), or ones that have lower ticket averages might benefit from it, but it would also make those nights of bringing home several hundred bucks or getting a surprise $50 tip from a dude throwing a party go bye-bye.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 22:26 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, there's lots here that doesn't apply to every restaurant, every state/municipality etc. But I just did some serious fuck-yeah nodding to Part 3, which lingers on a study showing the common-sense fact that given the choice between increasing quality of service and increasing number of his/her individual covers (at the expense of quality of service, or even quantity of food/drinks sold!), an economically rational server will choose the latter, since any lost tip revenue is almost immediately cancelled out by having turned over more checks. Meanwhile the customer is giving up on ordering dessert since the server is off doing something else, but whatever.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 8 August 2013 01:30 (ten years ago) link
Definitely. The waiters at the place I last waited tables are making more than I am 7 years later. Plus service charges would be a pretty tempting target for cuts in order to lower prices.
OTOH, I don't recall if this guy says how much he is paying his staff, but the no-tipping sushi place in NY claimed they were paying "market" wages for waiters, i.e., $20-something/hour. A waiter in an upscale place could certainly make a lot more on a good night, but on average, $20-something/hour is not bad in exchange for the steadiness of the income.
― potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
Yesterday I tipped $9 on $46.22 and then felt bad abt it
― dale cthulhu (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 9 August 2013 11:10 (ten years ago) link
it'll be ok
― conrad, Friday, 9 August 2013 12:35 (ten years ago) link
close enough,
― pplains, Friday, 9 August 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link
http://jacobinmag.com/2013/09/against-tipping/
― conrad, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
There's something here which could "collapse in a mound of idiocy," but it's not tipping.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
do you work in the service industry
― conrad, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
he's Doctor Casino, p sure he's well versed
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link
haha, yeah, i'm back in school now but i did two separate two-year stints in hotel food service, and some other more miscellaneous non-tipped service industry jobs (a distinction svenonius totally erases btw)
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 5 September 2013 02:20 (ten years ago) link
what does svenonius totally erase?
― conrad, Thursday, 5 September 2013 09:13 (ten years ago) link
The distinction between tipped and non-tipped service industry jobs. He seems to want to get us to a place where the US service economy is a house of cards where everyone is paying everyone else, but resting that on ''Almost all Americans have worked in the service industry at some point and many will only ever work in it'' obscures the fact that most of those people actually don't work for tips, and get paid by their bosses. He also seems to be writing from within a very small bubble of shmancy baristas and cocktail bartenders - I strongly doubt that a lifer at the post office, going to Sunday brunch at the Holiday Inn, is overwhelmed by paralyzing loops of social guilt and face-saving desire to seem cool in the eyes of the waitstaff. At least not based on the tips we used to get there. There are social pressures at work, yes, but not the same ones. It just feels gross, this article clearly written for an audience of people who have money, asking people who don't to not take it and trying to spin it as an outside-the-box way of breaking the system. All that can come of this is asshole owners of coffee shops taking away the tip jar and explaining that it's for everybody's good.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:50 (ten years ago) link
does that mean you missed this Meanwhile, a bus driver on a daily route will not be tipped, for example, though he or she is working hard to serve the public. Policemen are not tipped except in the form of donations by ass-kissers to the “fraternal order” in exchange for a sticker that is supposed to confer preferential treatment by officers. Public servants are not tipped. bit?
the tipping conventions he cites seem v conventional not small bubble shmancy it may be overegging to say the complexity and pressure of tipping culture is paralysing but seems to me his argument is as it is always and for ever that employees should be renumerated in a regular and reliable way by their actual employers although this would indeed have the further payoff of a world that doesn't strike fear into the hearts of post office lifers brunching at holiday inns win-win
― conrad, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:05 (ten years ago) link
The guy has some points, but something about the overly hard sell, especially with the projection about the kind of people that are in favor of tipping makes me distrust him. He may be selling the elimination of tipping as a righteous blow for social justice (he didn't eliminate tipping, he just made it mandatory), but it looks to me like he found a way to give his kitchen staff a raise without putting any of his own money on the line. Restaurant types are genius at this.
― All kinds of heinous things, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:21 (ten years ago) link
Wait, did Ian Svenonius open a restaurant?
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:37 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, that whole 80 percent of Americans work in the service industry thing is misleading. That many people work in the service sector, but not at restaurants and shit. Most are paid salary or hourly wages. I agree with him that the system is fucked, but the last sentence is idiotic.
― emilys., Friday, 6 September 2013 07:30 (ten years ago) link
or rhetoric
― conrad, Friday, 6 September 2013 08:14 (ten years ago) link
I did read that, but tbh, the whole opening section with the 'survey of tipping around the world' or w/e is super dicey and class-centric ('here's what world labor conditions look like from the perspective of me visiting as a rich tourist') and anyway has no impact on the conclusions he draws. He ostensibly knows about non-tipped service industry workers but they disappear when it comes to his 'vast circle jerk' model. The tone and preoccupations are all of the rich person obliged to tip or throwing around their money in cool bars with other people who have money; the rhetorical attempt to imagine it from the tipped employee's POV is pretty superficial IMO, and he really doesn't attempt to imagine the economics of lifer wait staff as opposed to people who all dabbled in it once and therefore like to imagine themselves good tippers now that they are elite bloggers or music personalities or whatever, which seems to be his 'typical' service industry person.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 September 2013 12:41 (ten years ago) link
imagine the economics of lifer wait staff
idk that you need to 'imagine' a system that works in a lot of places
― his LIPS !!! (darraghmac), Friday, 6 September 2013 12:45 (ten years ago) link
what does Svenonius even do for a living at this point? find it hard to believe he's in the lap of luxury to the extent that Dr C is trying to make out
― many a slip 'twixt Yow and Yip (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 September 2013 12:49 (ten years ago) link
Dr C is someone else
antiantitippers seem to have a kneejerk defensiveness as though antitippers are suggesting that workers who currently rely upon tips should receive less money from their work than they currently do why is this
― conrad, Friday, 6 September 2013 13:33 (ten years ago) link
i think another interesting way to examine tipping is comparing it to workers who earn a significant amount of their earnings from commissions and sales/earnings based bonuses.
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Friday, 6 September 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
both tipped employees and commission/bonus employees have the same relation to their employers -- that their wages are contingent on the success of the employer's products
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Friday, 6 September 2013 20:00 (ten years ago) link
there are likely bad things about a commission structure, too, but i suspect tipping encourages worse behavior for everyone because it is essentially a side transaction. if you give a bigger tip because you were comped a side, the equivalent would be slipping the car salesman money for throwing in tinted windows or something.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 September 2013 20:26 (ten years ago) link
agreed.
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Friday, 6 September 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link
Look, I basically just think this is a too-long and not-thought-out op-ed on the internet, not sure why we have to take seriously his proposal that tipped employees bear the responsibility for solving the system by destroying their own livelihood via refusing tips. It's a dumb idea that won't happen and wouldn't work, so I would like to think I could reject it without having to sign membership papers with the ''antiantitippers'' and bear the burden of all their supposed whatevers.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 September 2013 20:44 (ten years ago) link
doctor casino have you ever listened to a nation of ulysses album?
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Friday, 6 September 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
no why, are you on the svenonian street team too?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 September 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link
how do their albums stack up to this article, lengthwise?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 September 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation_of_Ulysses#Political_concepts
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Friday, 6 September 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
Wow, twenty years ago he was in a band that wanted to fight the Man?? Then clearly nothing he says about tipping could ever be wrong! I take it all back!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 September 2013 21:03 (ten years ago) link
i am saying the opposite: he is fun to indulge but he should be taken as a weird artist and not a serious essayist
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Friday, 6 September 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
Ahhhh, okay. Please accept the retraction of my knee-jerk sarcastic post.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 September 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
np ;-)
but you really should listen to "plays pretty for baby" its life-changing
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Friday, 6 September 2013 21:09 (ten years ago) link
― goole, Monday, 9 September 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
pretty sure anyone over the age of 16 is not going to have his or her life changed by a nation of ulysses album, but maybe some ppl are more impressionable than others.
― ian, Monday, 9 September 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
is this the thread where i brag that i was at a wedding earlier this year that IS officiated? he gave a great little talk, best officiant
― max, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 00:58 (ten years ago) link
....is it?
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link
i think this is the thread where you brag about that, yeah
― goole, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 13:35 (ten years ago) link
*unfurls mission accomplished banner*
― max, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 13:48 (ten years ago) link
I tipped less than 20% for rly bad service again last night (being seated w/o a beer list or a mention of the fact that the kitchen was closing in 10 minutes and also inattentive svc throughout the night) but it was still over 15% but I still felt guilt city abt it
how do you express dissatisfaction in a restrunt these days?
― Tetsu: The Inoue Man (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link
yelp review
― j., Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
i wouldn't do anything about it, service is service is service and one shouldn't feel entitled to good service, it's just something you subject yourself to when you eat at a sit down restaurant. when you tie the perceived quality of service to the amount of money you leave, you start getting into these issues of control using money and everything just starts to feel gross.
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
If I am paying $50 before tip for a burger, a calzone, and three beers then I feel like I should be like served competently though
― Tetsu: The Inoue Man (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
like I'm not even asking you to sing me a song but just tell me that the kitchen's about to close and give me a list of drinks that you have svp
hah well I always ask about the kitchen when it's late-ish. that's because I'm neurotic tho
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link
oh but she asked us "are you having dinner?" and we said yes!
― Tetsu: The Inoue Man (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
service is service is service and one shouldn't feel entitled to good service, it's just something you subject yourself to when you eat at a sit down restaurant.
srsly?
― cops on horse (WilliamC), Sunday, 22 September 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
yep
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
How about good food?
― pplains, Sunday, 22 September 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
what is good food? *strokes chin*
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
Seeing how most places are very keen to let newly arrived late diners know about the kitchen countdown, I'm sure the kitchen staff were more pissed off with this waitress than you could ever be. Still, it's a no-brainer for staff to provide all the menus you need at the outset, and save herself a bunch of bother by quickly getting on top of both food and drinks orders when it's that late in the evening's service. The low tip is your right here, and isn't a problem.
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Sunday, 22 September 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
service is service is service and one shouldn't feel entitled to good service ... when you tie the perceived quality of service to the amount of money you leave, you start getting into these issues of control using money and everything just starts to feel gross.
I like this.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Sunday, 22 September 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
reminded this weekend that every restaurant on south beach automatically adds 18% gratuity because of europeans
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 22 September 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link
rme at dayo
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
"it's just something you subject yourself to when you sit down at a restaurant"
yes when i walk into a restaurant gross to give them my business i'm gross thinking "do with me what you will"
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
i worked a service job past few months, we gave p awful service and received low tips but we stole lots of money from the till every shift so it worked out
― flopson, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
i mean look i am the most patient person in the world when it comes to waitstaff, their jobs suck, but look, there are things you can do to not get a great tip from me. spill my drink on me and not take it off the bill? go out for a cigarette break while i wait 30 minutes for my food, and don't wash your hands? yeah, you're getting 10%. you have to do something pretty dumb, and have a don't-give-a-shit-attitude about it, but there are ways to get a shitty tip from me
having lived in thailand this summer has further made me appreciate any service at all tho, things are different over there
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
go out for a cigarette break while i wait 30 minutes for my food, and don't wash your hands?
pfft give me a break dog
― flopson, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
sure here's 5 bucks, which is 10% of my bill
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
do tell us of the slights you suffered in thailand
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link
tipping's great, isn't it?
― caek, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
i mean let me stress again that i am very, very forgiving and patient with waitstaff. i tip at least 20% 99% of the time. i used to get into seriously ugly arguments with my mother over the way she passive-aggressively verbally abuses waitresses. i'm just saying that there are rare instances where i am ok with not tipping well, and it's not just "you suck at your job" -- i can forgive that. it's "you suck at your job and are an asshole about it"
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
please tell us about how it was different over in thailand
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
in thailand it was no biggie, service sucked but no one expected tips either so it made for a laid-back atmosphere. i remember tipping everyone from waiters to tuk-tukkers like 300% for the first few days i was there because everything was so damn cheap, until other people were like uh people don't do that here
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
how did the service suck
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
i mean my friends and i would go to this one bar like 3 times a week, the owner would give us free food and shit because we were regulars, and the girl who did the drinks would still take 20 minutes to bring us our drinks! and we were friends with her! it's not something you get mad about, things are just different, for plenty of legit reasons. i ended up giving her about a month's pay when i left anyway
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
did you ever go hungry? was the food always cold when it was brought to the table? did you taste the spit that the cooks expectorated into the food? were there cigarette butts in your maitais?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 22, 2013
The mistake was not eating before going to South Beach.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:36 (ten years ago) link
you were feeling mad at this girl for not bringing you your drinks sooner as you were eating the free food the owner had sent to your table?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
where did i say i was mad?
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
didn't i just get through saying that my expectations for service were calibrated completely differently when i was over there?
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
lol caek
― I'm not a rockist, I just hate Rap-A-Lot (sic), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
dayo, why are you trying to bait kevin into saying something racist?
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
ou ever go hungry? was the food always cold when it was brought to the table? did you taste the spit that the cooks expectorated into the food? were there cigarette butts in your maitais?
“What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? Do you give the horse its strength or clothe its neck with a flowing mane? Do you make it leap like a locust, striking terror with its proud snorting?"
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:43 (ten years ago) link
manifesto from an american tipper
to all british people, europeans and foreigners without tipping in their country: you don't understand/like the tipping system - i get it and i'm okay with it. different strokes, etc.
to americans who don't tip (and i assume a lot of people who are critical of the tipping system fall into this category): may you rot in the ninth circle of cheapass bastard hell.
whether you vote republican and democratic, you are the worst stereotype of capitalism incarnated, sniping and begrudging anyone who you see as taking a piece of "your" pie. i honestly believe you are constantly looking for opportunities to make a quick buck at the expense of others, and your arguments against tipping make your character transparent. there may be good reasons against tipping culture, but if so, they're nothing but fig leaves for your cheap, selfish personality.
there is a strong possibility the type of person who will steal from your friends and neighbors if you are 99% sure you won't get caught. if you do vote for progressive democrats, you are the kind of hypocrite that likes to talk about helping the working classes but refuse to put your money where your mouth is, even for a measly $3 per week.
this thread has got my blood boiling, i'm probably overstating my case, but i honestly feel that Americans who don't tip do their small part to rip apart the fabric of society. especially when you say you don't tip because librarians and bus drivers don't get tipped - I call BS.
for those of you who DO tip but have problems with the custom, may i suggest going to house parties instead of bars. at least there you can smoke, mingle with under-21s if that's your bag, and do a whole bunch of other things that may be verboten in a public setting. all without tipping. also, in any community you will find some of the best local bands playing at house shows - you would be surprised how many truly magnificent musicians never play in public settings due to insecurity/lack of confidence or obliviousness/lack of interest.
― Jak, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:44 (ten years ago) link
who the fuck says people who are critical of the tipping system don't tip?
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link
Jak
― velko, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
got it, thanks!
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
mingle with under-21s if that's your bag,
o_õ
― flopson, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
would like to point out just for posterity for the reading challenged that i always tip well and think that people who don't are assholes
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:40 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
not trying to 'bait' him, trying to make him reveal what he really believes the purpose of tipping to be
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
jak can you tell me where some good house parties are? thanks.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:50 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think most waiters themselves would agree with k3v's purpose of tipping
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link
i really find it hard to believe that there are differences between the level of service in thailand, and other parts of the world where they don't tip, and here. as someone who's spent extensive time in those places. k3v, you probably just had a slow server in thailand, but that's nothing to do with the fact that you don't tip her. she wouldn't come running any faster if she knew there was an extra few hundred baht waiting for her when you left. (and which you made pains to point out that you gave her anyway! but that has nothing to do with any 'service' you may or may not have received, as you yourself said.)
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link
bordering a little on telling k3v his unique negative experience wasn't a valid one.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
shut up dude
― flopson, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:56 (ten years ago) link
dayo, the point of tipping at all is because waiters work shitty jobs with no bennies. my default tip of 20-25% is generous just because i feel like it, and like the literally 2 times in my life i haven't tipped at least 20%, i still probably gave 10-15%, because even though this person was an asshole, he or she still worked a shitty job without full bennies and deserved that money. if it's "gross" to dock someone that marginal 5 bucks for being an exceptional douchebag and making me have a bad time while i gave them money, boo hoo imo
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:01 (ten years ago) link
i also never explicitly theorized that the level of service had anything to do with their expectation of a tip, fwiw
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
k3v, you got part of that right. the reason you tip is because waiters work shitty jobs (like a bunch of other people in different parts of the service industry) and are paid below the minimum wage, legally. you tip them 20% no matter what, because america's shifted the burden of compensating them for their labor on to you, and not the restaurant. you always tip them 20%, no matter what, because there is no correlation between the amount of money you give them and the 'service' you receive. simple as that. stop thinking that you're allowed to stiff them because you thought they ignored you or didn't wash their hands or w/e. under no circumstances are you allowed to not tip them 20%. none.
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:05 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark
cool, there must have been some other reason you skimped on the tip then
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link
do you tip above what u consider the correction for shitty job with no bennies so that you can still make a point by docking 10% without being a dick?
― flopson, Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:10 (ten years ago) link
i'd think most ppl who know enough about the tipping system to be critical of it are good tippers? "well i know how horrible the tipping system is for pretty much everyone, so i'm going to protest by not giving you any money"
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:10 (ten years ago) link
altho there are definitely some assholes who do that
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
"well i know how horrible the tipping system is for pretty much everyone, so i'm going to protest by not giving you any money"
that may not make sense to you and me, but that's really how some folks operate. it's this kind of attitude: "you may be suffering for want of a tip now, kind waiter, but trust me, it is for your own good. the system needs changing and you have to start somewhere - my not tipping you could spark a revolution that leads to a better living wage for you and your ilk! plus I get to keep five more dollars in my pocket."
― Jak, Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link
> america's shifted the burden of compensating them for > their labor on to you, and not the restaurant.
i've never understood this argument well. i mean, yes, it is true in a literal sense, but it is is also slightly misleading. don't restaurant revenues come out of the customers pockets? if no one eats at a restaurant there is no money to pay wages.
― Jak, Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:06 PM (47 seconds ago)
no, that actually was the reason. i think in america waitstaff have a pretty good idea that for a lot of customers the tip will be tied to their perceived service, obviously for better or worse. for me personally i'm not going to tip you less because you suck at your job, but i will (in theory) tip you less, but still a fair amount, if you suck at your job and don't own up to it. i guess we disagree that tipping one dude 10-15% one time for being exceptionally shitty is poor form. that's fine. i'm a smart guy, i understand the point you're trying to make and more or less agree with where you're coming from. we just disagree on a minor point.
what i was referring to in the post you just quoted was that i didn't necessarily think the service i got in thailand was any worse because the staff didn't have the tip incentive, i'm not sure that extrapolation is valid. there wasn't necessarily a "point" to my thailand tangent other than to highlight the fact that it further strengthened my patience in the face of bad service, because in my admittedly subjective experience, the service over there was slower. wasn't mad at anyone about it, we just thought it was funny. what were we gonna do, yell at them about it? had nothing to do w/ the tipping conversation really
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
i ended up giving her about a month's pay when i left anyway
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:33 (50 minutes ago)
http://i.imgur.com/ED9eRuO.gif
― Lama Bloody SwagYurt (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
― flopson, Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:10 PM (13 minutes ago)
i guess i do? i know if you ask workers they'll tell you anything less than 20% sucks, which is why i never do it, but tipping can be expensive, we in a recession, and i'm sure most people think 15% is standard. so if i were to (again theoretically) tip 10-15% one time, i'd imagine the reaction would be more along the lines of "dammit, this dude is cheap, but i've had 20 worse tips this week tbh" rather than "this one tip has seriously threatened my ability to feed my children/pay off my loans"
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
lol nakh
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:23 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
uh, ok. i'll take you at your word here
am.penurious.sometimes
― velko, Sunday, 22 September 2013 20:06 (ten years ago) link
what a thread
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 22 September 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
two privileged american children pulling out their dicks and measuring who has more empathy for service employees. god bless ilx.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 22 September 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
^ privileged american child who regularly stiffs waitstaff on tips
― 乒乓, Sunday, 22 September 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link
"stiffs"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 22 September 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:31 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh cmon bro it's the internet, why assume good faith when there's conjecture to be grafted onto a larger point you wish to make
― druhilla (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 September 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
"under no circumstances are you allowed to not tip them 20%. none."
this is simply not true. furthermore, your absolutist rule is well, well outside of the mainstream of American tipping culture. rude waiters or servers are not entitled to one red cent. if someone can't make a living wage waiting because they are too rude to qualify for tips, they need to find another job where they don't deal directly with the public.
this isn't singling out tipped employees for abuse. globally ALL workers who deal with the public face fiscal penalties for rudeness to customers - usually in the form of customer complaints, having raises or promotions withheld or losing their jobs. tipped employees are in a unique situation where they face immediate censure for poor service, but in the long run non-tipped employees also have financial incentives to behave politely.
― Jak, Sunday, 22 September 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link
i just don't understand why people think getting rid of tipping and raising wages change anything in terms of what people are making doing these jobs. the same behaviors or attitudes that lead to less tips also lead to people getting canned repeatedly from their jobs. and the higher the minimum wage is the more careful employers are about hiring and the more reluctant they are to hire people who have been fired multiple times from jobs.
― Jak, Sunday, 22 September 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link
and for the record i can't think of one instance where i haven't tipped at a restaurant or similar establishment, but if i was ever subject to some of the horror stories i have heard, i would feel fully justified in cutting my tip or not tipping.
― Jak, Sunday, 22 September 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
― flopson, Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nah bro, you can eat a dicc
― Neanderthal, Monday, 23 September 2013 02:25 (ten years ago) link
I'd imagine real wages would rise on the low end and decrease on the high end if tipping were eliminated, but that would need to be accompanied by tax credits to account for unclaimed tips.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 23 September 2013 05:12 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓
but i mean this is complete nonsense
― bleedin dubs buy sam maguire, september 2013 (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 09:30 (ten years ago) link
you start getting into these issues of control using money and everything just starts to feel gross
this is a horrible analysis of tipping but a great description of capitalism
― J0rdan S., Monday, 23 September 2013 09:34 (ten years ago) link
Love these threads so much as a Brit.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 23 September 2013 09:38 (ten years ago) link
there are places that are famous for their deliberately contemptuous service but which are still loved; cf. the entire city of paris, also there's a seafood place in boston that i can't remember the name of? they literally throw your napkin at you when you sit down. there is something to the idea of going with the flow. it can feel tremendous to let go of the idea that your food needs to come quickly; i believe in some places this is called "relaxing"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 September 2013 09:56 (ten years ago) link
Last big meal out was with 8+ diners and the place gave us really grudging service all night - insisting that we only had a two-hour 'slot' for our meal when that would end 30 minutes before the kitchen closed, then wasting a lot of that time by not returning for 15-20 minutes to take our drinks order. Because of the size of our group, there was no way we could adjust tip for attitude (big groups get a mandatory service charge) without involving the manager. It felt arbitrary because the host/person who booked it swears the restaurant failed to mention anything about meal timings when he arranged it.
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Monday, 23 September 2013 10:10 (ten years ago) link
cf. the entire city of paris
― bleedin dubs buy sam maguire, september 2013 (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 10:22 (ten years ago) link
dmac, come fight me
― 乒乓, Monday, 23 September 2013 10:43 (ten years ago) link
the reason you tip is because waiters work shitty jobs (like a bunch of other people in different parts of the service industry) and are paid below the minimum wage, legally.
not in San Francisco. Minimum wage is $10.55/hr - tipped employees or not
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 23 September 2013 10:51 (ten years ago) link
If you would only grace ilf with yr presence youd know why im indisposed and have a gang over, tomorrow maybe
― bleedin dubs buy sam maguire, september 2013 (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 10:52 (ten years ago) link
reading a tipping thread while having the gang over, i sympathize
― 乒乓, Monday, 23 September 2013 10:53 (ten years ago) link
Tippling point
― bleedin dubs buy sam maguire, september 2013 (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 10:56 (ten years ago) link
but do you tipple an extra dollar a drink, even if it's an overpriced can of PBR?
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 23 September 2013 10:58 (ten years ago) link
Its included in dublin prices, believe me
― bleedin dubs buy sam maguire, september 2013 (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2013 10:59 (ten years ago) link
I just watched two students from Switzerland tip the cashier at Burger King
― You are kind, I am jerkface (DJP), Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
how much?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:12 (ten years ago) link
I couldn't tell, it was a "keep the change" situation but dude counted out a specific amount of money (including coins), pushed it across the counter and was like "no, I'm all set" and then turned to his friend like "see, I got this tipping thing!"
I am pretty sure they then went to sit down before their food was ready.
― smang culture (DJP), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:24 (ten years ago) link
<3
― 乒乓, Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:25 (ten years ago) link
have you any idea what a burger king costs in zurich tho
― gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link
That's the thing I didn't get; Burger King is in Switzerland, right? Surely it works the same way there as it does here?
― smang culture (DJP), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:31 (ten years ago) link
i been to mcdonalds there, the concept is certainly the same there, except you pay p much restaurant prices.
maybe they just got confused
― gangover over sam over (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 September 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link
Just a case of "In America you tip at restaurants, in Europe you don't" I guess.
― nickn, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:08 (ten years ago) link
^this. I tipped a kid in my building when he helped me carry my suitcase up the stairs, I could hear him yelling "That guy just gave me money!" afterwards
― badg, Thursday, 26 September 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link
ha yeah i tried to tip my doorman early on when i moved here (he took a pretty elaborate delivery for me). he lolled at me when i tried to give him the money.
― caek, Friday, 27 September 2013 01:11 (ten years ago) link
he won't be lolling when i give him $5 at xmas, let me tell you.
They don't call it a quarter pounder with cheese?
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2013 01:53 (ten years ago) link
royale with cheese iirc?
― ian, Friday, 27 September 2013 02:11 (ten years ago) link
Bartender:"You gave me too much." when I tipped her. hahahahahaha
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 27 September 2013 13:03 (ten years ago) link
that's classic
― smang culture (DJP), Friday, 27 September 2013 14:12 (ten years ago) link
you don't have to tip on planes in the 1950s (was at a dinner party at the weekend and this was handed round for some reason and I thought of ilx)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3718/10068550505_1d68878243_o_d.jpg
― conrad, Thursday, 3 October 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link
http://we-cannot-have-nice-things.tumblr.com/post/66549476058/how-to-convince-a-waiter-to-go-atheist
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link
Tip the house painter y/n?
― i wish i had a skateboard i could skate away on (Hurting 2), Thursday, 21 November 2013 02:18 (ten years ago) link
Ida said y
― 30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 November 2013 08:26 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-jersey-waitress-victim-discrimination-forged-receipt-article-1.1529227
well this has taken a strange turn - particularly how the restaurant claims they have the original receipt and comped a meal to ensure she was tipped, yet the Visa statement shows the 111.55 amount.
― Lesbian has fucking riffs for days (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 06:37 (ten years ago) link
movers? two dudes and a van. $30 each? $50?
― caek, Sunday, 2 February 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
http://www.mattneuman.com/siren.gif
― caek, Sunday, 2 February 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
somewhere in that range. no one ever died wishing theyd been less generous
― max, Sunday, 2 February 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
if ikea is delivering some stuff to my apt do we tip these dudes
― iatee, Friday, 21 March 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
i always tip furniture delivery people. shit is heavy and also they know where you live and what kind of stuff you have.
― adam, Friday, 21 March 2014 22:23 (ten years ago) link
otm (nb im not american even ffs)
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Friday, 21 March 2014 22:30 (ten years ago) link
You people are crazy.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 21 March 2014 23:06 (ten years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/bodybuildersagainsttipping
http://i.imgur.com/QKYrHLn.jpg
― 龜, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:18 (nine years ago) link
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/kill-em-all.jpg
― goole, Monday, 7 April 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
Gotta be satire. https://www.facebook.com/bodybuildersagainsttipping
Awesome night out at Texas Roadhouse..got a great chest pump while eating there, I'll explain.I forgot I was wearing my tank top ( Ha ha jk, but not to show off ) and the girls working were begging to see me in action. I seriously refused until the whole right section of the roadhouse was cheering me on, so had no choice. They had 2 of these huge beer kegs in the back. I'm not an expert on weight but I can guarantee you they were at least 175 pounds, so 400 together. So I'm laying on the broiler and I repped out at least 16 deep presses, while the waitresses are feeling my calves haha gotta love it. I could tell the guy who was my server was pissed and can only imagine his anger when he checked my receipt. Just another night out as a wealthy bodybuilder.#NOTIPS #lightweight #noSPOTnoTIPS
I forgot I was wearing my tank top ( Ha ha jk, but not to show off ) and the girls working were begging to see me in action. I seriously refused until the whole right section of the roadhouse was cheering me on, so had no choice. They had 2 of these huge beer kegs in the back. I'm not an expert on weight but I can guarantee you they were at least 175 pounds, so 400 together. So I'm laying on the broiler and I repped out at least 16 deep presses, while the waitresses are feeling my calves haha gotta love it. I could tell the guy who was my server was pissed and can only imagine his anger when he checked my receipt. Just another night out as a wealthy bodybuilder.
#NOTIPS #lightweight #noSPOTnoTIPS
― pplains, Monday, 7 April 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
Ahhahaha what the fuuuuuuck!!
Somewhat-unrelated: I just started working as a parking attendant/security guard & already two people have tipped me for MAKING THEM MOVE THEIR CARS--wtf, drunk rich guys!
― Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Monday, 7 April 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
One dude was like "hey, good lookin out, somebody might've tried to tow me!" -- I didn't have the heart to tell him that I am the one who calls the tow company in that scenario
― Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Monday, 7 April 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
Haha. Sounds like a promising career in racketeering.
― pplains, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
I tipped the plumber this weekend, but looked it up online afterwards and learned that you probably don't have to.
― take a piece of mr. baxter's hand (how's life), Monday, 7 April 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
shoulda been all "I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS, I MEAN CALLS"
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 7 April 2014 19:31 (nine years ago) link
Had to buy a new dishwasher this past weekend. It was delivered and installed today. The delivery arrived separately from the guy who actually hooked up the electrics and plumbing a few hours later. I only had a single $5 bill on hand because I'm a piece of shit. I ended up tipping the installer, because he did more work, but I'm thinking I should have tipped the delivery guys instead, because they probably have a lower base wage.
― petey p. pizzagarten (how's life), Thursday, 29 May 2014 23:15 (nine years ago) link
fuck this nonnnsense
― nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 September 2014 03:20 (nine years ago) link
right, here, so.
tipping doorman twenty bucks is OK y/n?
but thing is its a different doorman to the guy we had all week.
how's that work.
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 September 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
haha I think ilx might not be the right place for that particular question
― iatee, Sunday, 14 September 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
at a hotel?
― ╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Sunday, 14 September 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
assume the new guy thinks you tipped the old guy and and that the old guy thinks you tipped the new guy - do not tip anyone
― Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 15 September 2014 08:59 (nine years ago) link
Honest question: why are you tipping a doorman?
― Liquid Plejades, Monday, 15 September 2014 09:20 (nine years ago) link
I use to get occasional tips (buck or two) from customers when I worked at a video rental store. Always erased their late fees after that!
― Liquid Plejades, Monday, 15 September 2014 09:22 (nine years ago) link
20 bucks seems steep unless he's coordinating some class-A drug deals or similar
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 September 2014 11:45 (nine years ago) link
Does he *make* doors? That might be worth a little more, too.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 15 September 2014 12:18 (nine years ago) link
apt block. over the week we got directions,help with facilities, general tips on neighbourhood so yknow we felt guilted into paying him extra for doing his job becos America
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Monday, 15 September 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
oh and eh idk if this complicates things, right, but the guy we ended up tipping was white and the guy who helped us out all week for nothing was black.
maybe I should start a new thread.
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Monday, 15 September 2014 13:11 (nine years ago) link
Race shouldn't matter
I'd say if you saw the guy who was a big help you could tip him if you liked him
But if it was a guy who you had never seen before I wouldn't have tipped him
― 龜, Monday, 15 September 2014 13:37 (nine years ago) link
Maybe there's a doorman's pool, just like how they handle tips at restaurants.
― pplains, Monday, 15 September 2014 13:42 (nine years ago) link
Kinda doubt it, but I don't really know shit about doorpersons. Feel like it would be assumed that a tip was for particular help rendered by that particular individual, kind of like the police informant shoeshine boys of 'every old movie' fame.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 15 September 2014 13:45 (nine years ago) link
yeah I was probably idealising a little by hoping for a pooled system huh
kinda sucks to be the weekday guy in that case
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Monday, 15 September 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link
if you were staying as a short-term guest AirBNB style in a building where people mostly live full-time, and the building is staffed by a doorman, the residents likely tip the doorman during the holidays, and you are under no obligation to tip for your marginal cost to the doorman's labor.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 15 September 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
ok thks
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Monday, 15 September 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
next q
howd you get a refund form overtipping
Do good work for others until one of them tips you
― 龜, Monday, 15 September 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
well im shit out of luck i live in civilisation
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Monday, 15 September 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link
I am getting married, and I believe that I am supposed to just tip everyone I see that day, including aunts and uncles.
― Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
I believe you've just misread 'tipple'
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:04 (nine years ago) link
tippling opportunities unbridled at this wedding
― Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
I believe youve misreaded unbrided
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
misreading 'unbridled' for 'unbrided' would be grounds for a terrible fight, I think
― Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
I believe you've misread 'grounds for divorce'
― 龜, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
i like the new direction of this thread
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
xp if the dj plays 'misread' during dinner, he will get a better tip. if he plays 'grounds for divorce', he will get a different kind of tip, i.e. "hey man, maybe don't play songs with that title at a wedding. or maybe just don't play any wolf parade songs."
― Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
but then he'd also get a monetary tip because I don't like confrontation
― Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
http://gawker.com/working-for-tips-is-a-path-to-poverty-1648413053
― A solid little house from the p-funk boys (I am using your worlds), Monday, 20 October 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/AI3DUST.png
― 龜, Thursday, 11 December 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
bitcoin.txt @bitcoin_txt 3mA tip is the equivalent of an upvote except you get real money.
― lag∞n, Saturday, 20 December 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5342bf77ecad04af524063da-720-905/chart-tipping-statistics.png
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-you-should-tip-in-every-situation-2014-4
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 April 2015 01:51 (eight years ago) link
should you tip your airbnb hosts?
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:25 (eight years ago) link
Bartender... 98% lol good luck usa
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 9 April 2015 10:03 (eight years ago) link
The thing that is a drag about drinking in the UK versus the US is that the tipping is a GOOD thing for the customer. If you always start off the night at a bar you're going to be at for a while by tipping $5 or $10 on the first round, then, when the bar's crowded, the bartender will come to you faster. Plus you get buyback drinks. And you get treated better the next time you come in. Everyone wins.
The amount of time I've wasted standing at a pub over here waiting for a disinterested bartender to eventually work his or her way over, paying no attention whatsoever to the order people arrived at the bar...
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 12:38 (eight years ago) link
That's just inept bartending though.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2015 12:53 (eight years ago) link
Well, it's certainly very American: Throw a little cash around, etc. Not saying that's not unfair.But when I tip well and get stronger drinks faster, I think that's great bartending.
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 12:57 (eight years ago) link
That's the other thing, of course: Better tips and a heavier pour.Reminds me of that old Doug Stanhope bit on Charlie Brooker's show about UK bartenders putting on a labcoat and grabbing a beaker to measure your shot, making sure not a vapour more of spirit leaks into the glass...
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 12:58 (eight years ago) link
Tipping is a flat circle
― 龜, Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:01 (eight years ago) link
everyone wins except somebody who doesn't have $10 to give away obv
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:02 (eight years ago) link
Better idea if publicans only employed Polish or Czech barmaids tbh
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:05 (eight years ago) link
prefer the egalitarianism of shit service for all to the favouring of a monied elite
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:06 (eight years ago) link
I always tip properly (as instructed by ilx) at US bars and I've noticed no discernible improvement in bartender attitude or attention. I've had tiny numbers of buy backs (maybe 4, ever) and since I'm primarily a beer drinker I get no benefit in pour size.
― Tim, Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:10 (eight years ago) link
so what would you all normally tip a tattoo artist? I've had two tats and gave a $60 on a $340 tattoo and a $40 on a $150, figured that was enough but I never know the protocol.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:15 (eight years ago) link
wat is buy back
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:19 (eight years ago) link
guess u must have tipped ok or guy wd have inked swastikas on u second time round
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link
Believe it or not, some of us have no tattoos.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link
wat is buy back― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins),
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins),
aiui you tip enough for five extra drinks and eventually you get one of them
― not content (onimo), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link
er, cool lifehack
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:52 (eight years ago) link
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Thursday, April 9, 2015 2:29 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
believe it or not, some people on ILX do, and that's who the question was addressed to
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 9 April 2015 13:59 (eight years ago) link
Ha, yes, it was just phrased in such a way that seemed to imply that most of us have... which might actually be true!
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link
I always tip properly (as instructed by ilx) at US bars and I've noticed no discernible improvement in bartender attitude or attention.
same here. but i always assume it's because i look like i'm 12 and the bartender already thinks they're doing me a favor by not calling my mom
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link
By the time I go to a bar it's too packed to meaningfully believe that an extra dollar or two will get you better service
― 龜, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link
tip on tattoos as you would for hair salon/barbershop.
― new noise, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link
Tipping and Your Tattoo Artist?
― new noise, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link
everyone wins except somebody who doesn't have $10 to give away obv― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, April 9, 2015 2:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
So $5 if you're getting a couple drinks, $10 if you're buying a bigger round. Don't think it's a preposterous ask if you're preparing to spend a bit of time at the same bar. If $5 is a crazy amount, how can you drink in any bars in any big city? Believe me - for a bartender it's much more about the gesture, really. Despite what that chart says, a SHITLOAD of people don't tip at all, or leave a couple bucks and then take one back when you're doing something else like some kind of Costanza move. A couple extra bucks to a hard working bartender is simply a gesture of respect that will be rewarded
The "egalitarianism of shit service" is a noble idea that leads to a culture of nonstop shit service everywhere.
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
a noble culture tho
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 9 April 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link
A couple extra bucks to a hard working bartender is simply a gesture of respect that will be rewarded
Or won't, depending. I tip, as far as I can tell I tip correctly, though obviously it's an opaque and somewhat exclusionary system, I've even given up complaining about it being unfair and unhelpful, I am even happy about it if it means bar staff get paid a decent amount BUT it's fair to say that your description of tipping in bars as something which works smoothly to the benefit of the customer does not match my experience of drinking in America.
― Tim, Thursday, 9 April 2015 15:09 (eight years ago) link
Seems to me that the system is geared squarely in the interests of the bar owners, fwiw - pay less in wages, accept a bit more wastage, build in a reason for people to stay for longer rather than leg it after a couple.
I am used to experiencing both good and bad service in the US and the UK, I've genuinely not felt a substantial difference between the two. Maybe I'm tipping wrong, perhaps I should make a bigger show of it or something.
― Tim, Thursday, 9 April 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link
i tip my doctor and noticed a significant improvement in service
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 April 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
(x-post) Fair enough; we've just had different experiences, and really the entire bar/pub cultures are very different on either side of the Atlantic. I still think it benefits everyone, though - bar owners for the reasons you say, bartenders because they get more tips with customers who are more likely to return, customers because a few extra bucks will pay off then or down the road.
I've just found myself at so many central London pubs standing there for 30 minutes getting jostled, watching the bartender make no effort to try to serve waiting people in any kind of order, and I start to lose my mind. But again - different experiences: I've been lucky to have some great locals in D.C./NYC/even L.A.
Plus it feels good to tip people when you can and shouldn't always be seen as some elaborate shakedown!
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
it feels good to tip people
this is why its abhorrent, same w ppl who take pride in paying for everything & conspicuous charity
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
If your smallest bills were worth approx 8 dollars do you think ppl would still tip as much
― kinder, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
I'm guessing you've never worked a job where you hope people tip you
― Walter Galt, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:09 (eight years ago) link
site old questioms
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 10 April 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link
Nice
― 龜, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:38 (eight years ago) link
seems patronising to assume an ethical position is beyond someone w a certain work history but I guess thats par for the course w you tippers
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link
it's abhorrent because it feels good
― brimstead, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:55 (eight years ago) link
right that's what makes it so insidious, at least w bribery no one is blinding themselves w romantic notions about individual endeavour or altruism
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 02:46 (eight years ago) link
vee must totally destroy all notions of romantic individual endeavour or altruism!
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 05:55 (eight years ago) link
buybacks i feel like most often occur when youve been sitting at the bar for hours getting shithoused on a not that busy night, or at a place where ur a regular
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 05:57 (eight years ago) link
i guess some places are more formulaic about it
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 05:59 (eight years ago) link
or if u know the bartender u just tip them a lot and they charge u almost nothing which seems m/l like a crime
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 06:00 (eight years ago) link
i have never tried tipping the bartender $10 that seems more just like paying for yr drinks in advance
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 06:01 (eight years ago) link
yeah I prefer to just tip a dollar or two and enjoy normal guy status
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 10 April 2015 06:39 (eight years ago) link
Getting a haircut in America is a terrifying experience, sitting there so panicked about having to pay some spurious undefined bonus on top of the actual price
And then you're paying someone else at the front and don't know if you should say "...and this is for a tip?" after they give you your change, or go back across the floor to tuck a handful of money into the barber's apron
And if you shouldn't tip if the haircut isn't as good as the last one you got, somewhere else? You're never going to be there again anyway so
Basically way too stressful to even focus on communicating how you want your hair done
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Friday, 10 April 2015 06:59 (eight years ago) link
wait, u pay for haircuts?
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 10 April 2015 08:14 (eight years ago) link
should you tip your airbnb hosts?― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this was a srs q btw
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 10 April 2015 09:06 (eight years ago) link
Tipping barbers? Crazy USA.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:09 (eight years ago) link
Have always tipped my barber in England/Scotland!
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:11 (eight years ago) link
Never heard of it tbh.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:16 (eight years ago) link
Haven't been to a barber in 10 years though, so maybe I've just forgotten the etiquette.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:18 (eight years ago) link
Tipping hairdressers and barbers: at least enough for them to buy the drink they'll richly deserve after the unpaid emotional labour of asking customers about their holidays, etc.
― camp event (suzy), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:20 (eight years ago) link
These days I'm mostly tipping them for finding some hair to cut
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:21 (eight years ago) link
I would tip them not to ask me about my holidays etc. I think that's what Enoch Powell used to do.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:27 (eight years ago) link
he gets a bad rap but enoch had the right idea about barbers
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 10 April 2015 09:30 (eight years ago) link
I get around the emotional labour bollocks by going to friends, where it's obvs good to talk. One of my friends cuts my hair now, and I find that the round-up from £54 to £60 dovetails nicely with any tipping intention (10 per cent is normal for hairdressers, who are mostly self-employed and hire stations in a salon workplace).
― camp event (suzy), Friday, 10 April 2015 09:34 (eight years ago) link
― ogmor, Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think it would be funny if you said this every time as you left a restaurant stiffing the server. "Just so you know, it's nothing personal, it's a stance - not blinding myself w/ romantic notions, etc. Ethics in dining, etc...."
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 10 April 2015 10:25 (eight years ago) link
lol do u tip video game journalists as well
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:34 (eight years ago) link
Have always tipped my barber in England/Scotland!― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:11 Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkNever heard of it tbh.― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:16 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:11 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 10:16 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
standard £2 tip for a standard guy haircut imo
― not content (onimo), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:02 (eight years ago) link
I was in the barber's at Christmas and a junkie & his dealer fell in through the door fighting and threatening to kill each other over a debt. They scared the shit out of my daughter who was waiting on me and I ended up (with half a haircut and an apron/collar thing around my neck) manhandling one of them out the door while the barbers stood and watched.
I still left an extra £2.
― not content (onimo), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:07 (eight years ago) link
^ tipping practices i can get behind
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:20 (eight years ago) link
For real. Great story, onimo.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 April 2015 12:29 (eight years ago) link
i tip and bribe according to cultural norms, h8 the patronage not the player is the only way
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:15 (eight years ago) link
Barber charges $9. I give him $11. He whines that I only come by every three months instead of every week like the retirees.
― pplains, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:46 (eight years ago) link
One of the tricky bits about tipping protocol is if you are getting something free or less, you should try to tip as though it were full price. My head cannot always math that, but I try.
My employer frequently gives out gift cards for the Palm restaurant, and they can be awkward to use. They're supposed to work only for the food and booze, not the tax or tip. One time I had a $51-ish bar tab and a $50 gift card. I didn't have any cash with me for tipping purposes (I'd been expecting a credit card slip for the overage and the taxes, to which I could then add a tip that reflected the real amount). The bartender just accepted it and said, "Yeah, we're good." It was too much trouble to reopen, and I felt bad - made a concerted effort to go back another time and tip generously to make up for it.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:49 (eight years ago) link
An $11 dollar tip? Oh, right! (xp)
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Friday, 10 April 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
Do your thing, of course, but maybe try to let yourself feel good about it sometime. You can make someone who has been slaving away for a bunch of assholes for 12 hours' day that way. I had my day made that way a few times. Feels good. Feels good to feel good. etc.
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:53 (eight years ago) link
you are always one of the assholes they are slaving away for, it is the very nature of the deal. i believe it was tom baker on the very profound mansun album six who observed that pats on the back are what pushes you down
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link
i don't tip my actual slaves tho
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 14:15 (eight years ago) link
Sure, there are a range of assholes when you're a server. There are the assholes who have been where you are before, and in a show of kindness and understanding and thanks throw down a little extra when they can afford to. Then there are the assholes who have a stance - Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs, my libertarian freshman year roommate - those are the ones that make your day shittier
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link
its funny ppl imagining some socialist utopia and then being all tipping is bad well yeah everything is bad compared to imaginary socialist utopia
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
then ppl want to replace tipping servers with a living wage which wld def end up being less than what they make from tips now
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:35 (eight years ago) link
eh no ppl could still tip if servers received a living wage as basic
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 14:37 (eight years ago) link
I mean, if I thought servers weren't getting paid a living wage and relied on tips just to make basic, they wouldn't get tips from me because I wouldn't be in that restaurant or whatever in the first place
― their fantastic and relevant debut single, ‘Times Are Hard’ (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 April 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
ok m8
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
not sure you need the vantage provided by living in imaginary socialist utopia to see that the american faith that every individual's good&honest hustle will be appropriately rewarded w fortune is in most cases delusory
― ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
should you tip your airbnb hosts? ― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 9 April 2015 09:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthis was a srs q btw― bizarro gazzara, Friday, April 10, 2015 5:06 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, April 10, 2015 5:06 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i only stayed in an airbnb once, it felt like itd be weird to tip because it was a nice group of 2 couples living in a house in rural VT who let us use their 2ndary house... thing... they had on their property. had a real "staying with pals" feel even tho we didn't see them that much. we ended up leaving them a gift instead (iirc, six pack of beer and some nice cheese... and yes it was wrapped, this wasn't a leave-our-leftovers situation) with a nice note thanking them.
imo if they seem like normal ppl, treat it like u stayed w/ a pal & leave a gift, if it feels like a hotel (impersonal etc.) fuckem
― GGGOAT: greatest goat game of all time (Will M.), Friday, 10 April 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
unless they're like... doing maid service or w/e, in which case... tip the "maid" part?
― GGGOAT: greatest goat game of all time (Will M.), Friday, 10 April 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
Tipping the host never occurred to me when I Airbnb'ed in Chicago.
― WilliamC, Friday, 10 April 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
seems unnecessary
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 10 April 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
it is,it always is
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 10 April 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
ty for yr input - i am but a humble scotchman set to visit californian airbnbs in a couple of months and your arcane american tipping practices confuse and frighten me
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 10 April 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
i only learned recently that i have been overtipping a) delivery, going 15-20 and b) service staff, tipping 18-20 on the bill + tax (tax is 15% here) so yay more money for me i guess!
― GGGOAT: greatest goat game of all time (Will M.), Friday, 10 April 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
15-20%/18-20%, not $15-20/$18-20
― GGGOAT: greatest goat game of all time (Will M.), Friday, 10 April 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
one of the best things abt tipping is how it makes visitors incredibly nervous
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
or at least the british which i guess speaks well of them as most continental euros seem content to just shrug and throw like 65 cents on the table
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
weird tipping masochism
― conrad, Friday, 10 April 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
i speak loudly in a british accent so ppl know not to take it personally when i don't tip. i pay 20% less than the bill in case it was already added in.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 10 April 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
youve only been here like ten years so its understandable
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link
tipping is short for toodle-pipping iirc an old british custom of grinding the underclass to dust
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 10 April 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
i've never bribed anyone before, i imagine it's quite thrilling
― brimstead, Friday, 10 April 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
i'm British and living in the states and the tip when collecting take-out is the one that confuses me most. how am I to know what proportion of a pizza clerk's wage is tip-based? is there a 20% or nothing rule? i feel like a single dollar will only ever be seen as a diss.
― + +, Friday, 10 April 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
a dollar is fine u dont really have to tip on takeout imo but its nice if theres a jar there u know
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
I'm sad when I see "Please don't tip our employees" signs at groceries stores and retail outlets it sort of seems like the company is admitting it doesn't pay its employees enough, and that fact is apparent enough to impress itself naturally to paying customers, who should repress their reflex to care for their servants. It comes across real petty and anti-human, like something an insurance adjuster would recommend.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 11 April 2015 00:09 (eight years ago) link
Starbucks locations inside grocery stores/bookstores often don't even have tip jars per company policy which is pretty wrong imo
― rip van wanko, Saturday, 11 April 2015 00:21 (eight years ago) link
Starbucks employees don't make $2.15 an hour. Just because it's coffee and not a cheeseburger doesn't mean you're entitled to a tip jar.
― pplains, Saturday, 11 April 2015 02:31 (eight years ago) link
everyone shd have a tip jar i carry one around with me
― lag∞n, Saturday, 11 April 2015 02:32 (eight years ago) link
Congratulations did not know you were a mohel.
― pplains, Saturday, 11 April 2015 05:42 (eight years ago) link
He's a mohel and he's looking goodHe'd like to circumcise my cock it's understood
― 'come around to your house and fuck your ho' (paraphrase) (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 11 April 2015 07:16 (eight years ago) link
very disgusting and gross u guys
― lag∞n, Saturday, 11 April 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link
i tip and bribe according to cultural norms, h8 the patronage not the player is the only way― ogmor, Friday, April 10, 2015 2:15 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Real question, just because I find your stance genuinely interesting: If tipping is something you're really appalled by, do you stick to a consistent 15% or 20%? Do you adjust based on the experience you have?
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Monday, 13 April 2015 12:40 (eight years ago) link
I have my venmo username tattooed to me forehead
― 龜, Monday, 13 April 2015 12:56 (eight years ago) link
what is it, i owe you for the cab on friday?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 13 April 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
@sorryimessedup
(Everybody else also feel free to venmo me)
― 龜, Monday, 13 April 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
One of the tricky bits about tipping protocol is if you are getting something free or less, you should try to tip as though it were full price. My head cannot always math that, but I try. My employer frequently gives out gift cards for the Palm restaurant, and they can be awkward to use. They're supposed to work only for the food and booze, not the tax or tip. One time I had a $51-ish bar tab and a $50 gift card. I didn't have any cash with me for tipping purposes (I'd been expecting a credit card slip for the overage and the taxes, to which I could then add a tip that reflected the real amount). The bartender just accepted it and said, "Yeah, we're good." It was too much trouble to reopen, and I felt bad - made a concerted effort to go back another time and tip generously to make up for it.
lol this wd stress me out so much tbh
― gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 12:09 (eight years ago) link
I went to a restaurant with no money it stressed me out!
― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 12:15 (eight years ago) link
xp I definitely just go over the gift card amount no matter what it takes
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
buy a t shirt if you have to
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, the worst thing in the world is having the card handed back and the cashier says "You've got $2.73 left!"
― pplains, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
"Would you like to refill it?"
waiter who can't break that news gently just talked his way out of a tip imo
― 'come around to your house and fuck your ho' (paraphrase) (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/5ZWOmz1.jpg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 25 April 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
A friend of mine once tipped £70 in error. The waiter was like "are you sure you meant to tip this much?" and he was too embarrassed to admit his mistake
― neetsooh ebebay (wins), Saturday, 25 April 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
aw
― lag∞n, Saturday, 25 April 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
I put a $100 bill in the little folder last night to pay for a $50 tab. Waitress asked me if I wanted change.
― pplains, Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
i immediately whipped up my apple watch and st rated going bleep bleep bloop bloop on my tip calculator.
― pplains, Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
if the blue man is sad is the red man angry, that's a weird mouth
― j., Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
pplains why you walkin around with hundos
― brunch technician (silby), Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link
NB some of Seattle's fine-dining establishments are implementing service charges in response to the start of the minimum wage rollout, eg
http://seattle.eater.com/2015/4/21/8463303/three-renee-erickson-restaurants-will-eliminate-tipshttp://seattle.eater.com/2015/3/30/8315525/ivars-salmon-house-is-eliminating-tipping
― brunch technician (silby), Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
(and presumably indicating that tipping 15-20% is not expected)
― brunch technician (silby), Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
will probably still tip something on top next time I go to The Whale Wins b/c that was one of the most enjoyable dinners out of my life
― brunch technician (silby), Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link
― brunch technician (silby), Saturday, April 25, 2015 12:15 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Because Applebee's won't accept Bitcoin?
― pplains, Saturday, 25 April 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
pplains is baller
― neetsooh ebebay (wins), Saturday, 25 April 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
lol that is incredibly presumptuous, unless she just said it reflexively w/o looking at how much was inside, which now that I think it thru is prob what happened
― gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 26 April 2015 13:33 (eight years ago) link
It is what happened. But STILL.
What if I had stuck my credit card in there? I don't always use that weird card pocket that's in the folder.
― pplains, Sunday, 26 April 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link
got a check yesterday that included helpful calculations for 15 17 and 20% tips that were totally wrong lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 11:37 (eight years ago) link
Stay woke
― 龜, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 11:42 (eight years ago) link
Wrong in which direction?
― Who M the best? (Will M.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:36 (eight years ago) link
Man, dropping a digit, doubling, and rounding up to the nearest dollar is just the easiest thing, why doesn't everyone just do that?
― gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
― Bookmark No Bingus Permalink (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
― Who M the best? (Will M.), Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:36 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u know which direction lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
As a human being who lives on this Earth, this is the proudest moment of my existence so far
https://instagram.com/p/2G8nh8v0L1/?taken-by=itsatrilby
― 龜, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
Tipping's the quickest and simplest way to do something about income inequality, sez
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/04/want-to-do-something-about-income-inequality-start-tipping-more/?hpid=z10
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
thats consumer-power logic
― ogmor, Monday, 4 May 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
http://ny.eater.com/2015/10/14/9517747/danny-meyer-no-tipping-restaurants
― gr8080, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-read-this-and-still-feel-ok-about-tipping-in-the-united-states/
― 龜, Friday, 19 February 2016 01:01 (eight years ago) link
That's another wrinkle that many people don’t know about, right? Tipping in the United States actually dates back to slavery.The origin of tipping is really the feudal system, it’s this idea of noblesse oblige. But when tipping came to the United States, it had a real racial tinge to it, because, originally, the workers who earned tips were almost exclusively black workers—they were newly freed slaves.There was this massive anti-tipping movement to protest the practice, a resounding populist movement that actually got anti-tipping bills passed in six states across the country, including Washington state and many southern states. What’s interesting is that that movement, the anti-tipping populist one, ending up spreading to Europe and succeeding, because the labor movement picked it up and said ‘we are professionals, and we shouldn’t have to live on tips, because we should be paid by our employers.’ That’s why you see so little tipping in Europe. What we started here spread there and actually killed it at the origin in Europe.We, on the other hand, went in the opposite direction in the states. The restaurant industry, which was hiring newly freed slaves as tipped workers, really wanted the right to hire these workers but pay them next to nothing. So they put forth this idea that they were valueless and really shouldn’t have to be paid by their employers. They essentially made the argument that newly freed slaves should get a zero dollar wage.And part of the racial divide, part of what made tipping such a race-specific practice, is that there was a cultural stigma where white people would balk at the idea of being tipped because they found it degrading?Exactly. In fact, among the six states that passed tipping bans, five of them were southern states, and it was based on this idea that black workers were the only workers making tips, because there was this idea that you only tip inferiors. That is what I mean when I say the origins are noblesse oblige. The origin is that you tip an inferior. When the practice came to the United States, the newly freed slaves, the black workers, were the equivalent of the proletariat in the feudal system. When these states banned tipping, it was because they were trying to discourage whites from tipping instead of actually paying former slaves.
The origin of tipping is really the feudal system, it’s this idea of noblesse oblige. But when tipping came to the United States, it had a real racial tinge to it, because, originally, the workers who earned tips were almost exclusively black workers—they were newly freed slaves.
There was this massive anti-tipping movement to protest the practice, a resounding populist movement that actually got anti-tipping bills passed in six states across the country, including Washington state and many southern states. What’s interesting is that that movement, the anti-tipping populist one, ending up spreading to Europe and succeeding, because the labor movement picked it up and said ‘we are professionals, and we shouldn’t have to live on tips, because we should be paid by our employers.’ That’s why you see so little tipping in Europe. What we started here spread there and actually killed it at the origin in Europe.
We, on the other hand, went in the opposite direction in the states. The restaurant industry, which was hiring newly freed slaves as tipped workers, really wanted the right to hire these workers but pay them next to nothing. So they put forth this idea that they were valueless and really shouldn’t have to be paid by their employers. They essentially made the argument that newly freed slaves should get a zero dollar wage.
And part of the racial divide, part of what made tipping such a race-specific practice, is that there was a cultural stigma where white people would balk at the idea of being tipped because they found it degrading?
Exactly. In fact, among the six states that passed tipping bans, five of them were southern states, and it was based on this idea that black workers were the only workers making tips, because there was this idea that you only tip inferiors. That is what I mean when I say the origins are noblesse oblige. The origin is that you tip an inferior. When the practice came to the United States, the newly freed slaves, the black workers, were the equivalent of the proletariat in the feudal system. When these states banned tipping, it was because they were trying to discourage whites from tipping instead of actually paying former slaves.
― 龜, Friday, 19 February 2016 01:04 (eight years ago) link
woah. damn.
― shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Friday, 19 February 2016 01:59 (eight years ago) link
luv 2 tip
― karla jay vespers, Friday, 19 February 2016 03:15 (eight years ago) link
https://1minionsopinion.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/tipping-is-unamerican.jpg
― bamcquern, Friday, 19 February 2016 04:37 (eight years ago) link
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― bamcquern, Friday, 19 February 2016 04:38 (eight years ago) link
just came here to post that article
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 19 February 2016 16:39 (eight years ago) link
brits, we get it, yr cheap bastards. it's kool.― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:40 (9 years ago) Permalink
Down with slavery.
― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Friday, 19 February 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link
required tipping (servers making under a livable wage) is dud, tipping people because they did great is awesome
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
service charges are making headway in Seattle after the start of phasing in a higher min wage (even with a temporary $1 tip credit discount available to small employers), by all accounts it has been great for the restaurants that have adopted it. But then again this is a town where the bagel shop near my house is offering $250 gift card bounties for referrals so ymmv.
― petulant dick master (silby), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
is that for referring a new employee? i could get into making bagels
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link
Yep.
― petulant dick master (silby), Friday, 19 February 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link
tipping isn't just historically a form of noblesse oblige. And for workers, it's another example of capitalist practice in America, where it is possible to "make a lot of money if you work hard," that element of self-determination and hustling that doesn't seem as present in European countries with more socialist policies and greater social safety nets.
Semi-relatedly, are other sales/service jobs that get a substantial amount of their compensation from commissions and bonuses based on revenue generated for the company by that worker as prevalent in the UK/Europe as they are here in the U.S.?
― sarahell, Friday, 19 February 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
Plenty of sales jobs would have a substantial revenue-earned related bonus/component, no idea if the ratio of basic salary in these roles or if the ratio of these types of roles to overall workforce is comparable tho
― Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
i went to my first non-asian cuisine fancy no tipping new york restaurant a month back
it was one recommended to be by noted ilxor and tipper max (roman's)
it was the first day of their no tipping policy and everyone was confused, but when the server heard my accent he said "oh you'll get this" lol
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 February 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link
http://www.grubstreet.com/2016/03/andrew-tarlow-romans-no-tipping-update.html#
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/business/joes-crab-shack-tried-getting-rid-of-tips-it-didnt-last-long.html
In one closely watched case, Joe’s Crab Shack has decided to revert to accepting tips at most of its trial locations, six months after announcing that it would become the nation’s first major restaurant chain to test a no-tipping policy at 18 locations.The casual seafood chain, which is based in Houston and has more than 130 restaurants nationwide, raised its menu prices at the test sites and said it gave higher, fixed wages to its staff. At the time, Ray Blanchette, then the chief executive of its parent company, Ignite Restaurant Group, called tipping “an antiquated model.”But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.
The casual seafood chain, which is based in Houston and has more than 130 restaurants nationwide, raised its menu prices at the test sites and said it gave higher, fixed wages to its staff. At the time, Ray Blanchette, then the chief executive of its parent company, Ignite Restaurant Group, called tipping “an antiquated model.”
But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.
Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.
:(
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 May 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link
https://medium.com/@driver8/while-no-one-really-believes-that-uber-is-protecting-drivers-from-racist-tipping-practices-the-c47145d2b82e#.t2ea2ij5e
OK, can anyone explain this controversy to me? I heard an American on a podcast say "This is terrible: Uber said they were tipping the driver for us, but it turns out that's not true!" If the tip is an automated %, then what's the distinction between the money in this "tip" and the money in the drivers' cut of the fare?
Shouldn't people just care how much money the driver gets from the fare overall?
Are the complainers implying that they knew exactly how much Uber cut the drivers and were calculating that there was extra money on top of that figure?
― Alba, Friday, 13 May 2016 09:03 (seven years ago) link
being tipped is being paid at someone's discretion or seemingly at someone's discretion if there's no hint of discretion it's not a tip it's just a payment
tipping is weird and makes people think or almost think weird things
― conrad, Friday, 13 May 2016 10:18 (seven years ago) link
It gives a sense of control to the consumer that makes them believe they have power in the transaction, affirming the validity of a class of worker that is more servant that server, paid at our discretion
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 13 May 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link
https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/internet-explodes-after-a-couple-posts-passive-aggressive-tipping-trick
― 龜, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link
diiiiiiicks
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
i wonder if there is a statistically significant correlation between referring to "the wife" and this kind of behavior
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
he should be careful flashing that kind of cash around. pretty soon he won't be able to afford to take his wife to Denny's anymore.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shake-shack-founder-says-tipping-is-a-hoax-142228863.html
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
It looks like this was covered in that WaPo article posted upthread (last year), but it was new to me:
How did tipping become the norm in the U.S.?Well, the practice has some racist roots––that go all the way back to slavery: pic.twitter.com/pyeAfdJrhV— Splinter (@splinter_news) September 11, 2017
― Beret McKesson (jaymc), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
"But what if I told you tipping had a racist past?"
well, I'd stop doing it immediately. Thanks lady!
― sleepingbag, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
oh man, there were comments to that effect
that's not how it works, it just makes it clear it's essential unless you go somewhere that you know wait staff are making a living wage!
oy
― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
Yes the blanket advice of "leave America immediately" is usually safely good
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
brb going to your "lads" thread
― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
Hmmm 'oy' might be a fair translation tbh
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
Having just moved to the US, my usual strategy of panicking and at least knowing I will never be back at this establishment is going to fail soon
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Monday, 11 September 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
when i moved to canada i just started conversations about tipping with some people, and from that arrived at a blanket 20% tip in all service situations as being generous and therefore not making me look like a thrifty brit.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 11 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-for-busses-startup-launches-ico-to-end-tipping-altogether-2017-11
― iatee, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
I hate these people
― .oO (silby), Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
startup launches to make poor people poorer
― bridge of donkeys, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
also less free
― j., Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
I don't get it, is there any cost to the 'rater' of rating the server?
― kinder, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
yeah, it's definitely evil but also makes no sense? I'm sticking with Bodega Box for my startup dollars.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
They should have focused on CEOs. Their cryptocurrency could function both as a review and as a replacement for bonuses and stock options, and would follow CEOs to their next job in the CEO gig economy.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
Today the Trump administration took their first major step towards allowing employers to legally take tips earned by the workers they employ. https://t.co/bs6qMHHj7G— Economic Policy Institute (@EconomicPolicy) December 4, 2017
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/11/business/tipping-sexual-harassment.html
― 龜, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjIeiG2XoAoBicK.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
that person should be imprisoned for 18 to life
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
"I'd rather spend that money on other things"
Oy vey. Yes I'd rather not spend ANY money when I get goods or services, but livinginaSOCIETYcostanza.gif.Actually I feel the exact opposite of her: I'm never going to miss an extra dollar or 2 I tipped someone, whereas the cumulative extra dollar from every customer is going to be a significant amount for a server.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
"I shafted every single person who served me this year, any establishment I frequent is prob spitting in my food and drinks, I live in shame about this but not enough so to actually change my behavior, but woohoo I now have 'saved' enough money to buy a Roomba"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
‘you chose that profession’the service industry: it’s a calling, not a grinding, degrading hellscape of shit-eating you hope one day to claw your way free from
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
it’s like being a monk, really, except you’re married to a spitting hot-plate instead of god
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
Where is this from?
― Yerac, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
https://www.eater.com/2018/7/27/17577272/bad-tipping-in-america-restaurants
i haven't read the article as it's a subject that makes me too mad
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
(I've always hated stingy tippers and my partner is a server)
If someone is willing to give you quotes like that you should not let them remain anonymous.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
Her friends suck too for going out with her and not covering her portion of the tip.
― Yerac, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
Complete ostracization is the only option.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
When James dines out, which he does a few times a week, he says he plays a rounding game with the bill at the end of the meal. “I will add a few dollars and round it to an even number, say a $36.87 meal being tipped $3.13 to make $40.00,” he explains. “This isn’t because I want to tip, it just gives me a little mental math game and I like even numbers.”
― visiting, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
yes that article will make you mad.
in a just society, james, your head would be on a fucking pike outside a restaurant as a warning to other patrons
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
I remember distinctly once while bartending, these douchebros came into my bar in blyn (at the time they were out of place) and the guy stared me right in the eye as he took the round of drinks back to his table without leaving a tip. Like, daring me to say something. This happened every single time he came up to the bar. It was early evening and I was tending by myself so there wasn't much I could do. At least it was just bottle beer.
― Yerac, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link
used to have hangover anxiety in my early 20s. did I say something untoward or act like a jerk last night at the bar?
in my old age, now I seldom have that anxiety, but when I do it's usually me worrying that I fucked up the tip when paying the tab and some bartender is shaking her fist and vowing vengeance when she goes through the night's receipts
― mh, Saturday, 28 July 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
you are all wrong, sam is 100 otm but for the comment about them choosing that profession which is shitty
dont blame sam because youve accepted this nonsense system
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
It’s sort of a reverse prisoner’s dilemma where if everyone agrees at once to stop doing it then things would be better but if you just do it because you feel like it, you’re not exactly *galaxy brain* you’re just being a dick.
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
ok she is also wrong re just feeling like it but hey theres no wrong way to be right
in fact i cant figure if my main view of ilx is that its found all the right ways to be wrong, all the wrongs ways of being right, or whether we're all just fellow travellers in a cruel world but some have better movie recommendations
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
Anyway the way to the end of tipping in the USA, already in progress, is through establishments going explicitly tipless and adding service charges. No way is having brave consumers stiff servers out of principle an act of solidarity.xp ilx is mostly where we take opinions we learned on Twitter and try them out on a small audience before going wide with it
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
wait
why do *we* have a sandbox then
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
not all progress happens thru solidarity
(sorry hoos im sorry im sorry)
also is the service charge a stepping stone towards "the price is the price" because even listing service charge is a sad excuse of responsibility for running a business imo
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
i have my own methodology for assessing how much to tip
if you don't want to tip, you shouldn't have to, though
i hold nothing against those people
the current system of tipping in north america is not good though
― F# A# (∞), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
I mean I hate tipping too and wish the US would completely do away with it, but I don't believe in dicking over service people for me to make a point and which also benefits me that I get to keep my money. On my fb feed at least, it's all the white women in top tier US cities who are going bonkers about anyone "messing with their money" (talking about doing away with the tip system).
― Yerac, Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
The US is just basically impossible, because you can't even talk about changing most things when healthcare is so expensive and wrapped up in employers. And who cares when workers may no longer be entitled to their tips anyway.
― Yerac, Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
No. The way to end tipping is to vote in living wages for everyone, one jurisdiction at a time, or a national living wage law that doesn’t allow for local exemptions for tipped employees. The latter won’t hold up in court, though, because our federal judiciary branch is being packed with drooling idiot right-wing stooges, so let’s go with the former. Of course, machine politicians like my local fucking city council members will try and kill any living wage ballot initiatives that do pass, so we need to replace them as well. But deems is right, we choose to live in this system, just like front-of-house staff choose to do that job. Also anybody who thinks I get my opinions from Twitter will be punched in the neck and genitals.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
its better than getting them from me tbh
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
that was a sidemouth, lest anyone is waiting for me to break character at this stage
Tom, both at once, or one after another?
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
^^^ i was also wondering this
― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 July 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
found a meme for uhttps://i.imgur.com/uUo85UN_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
― mh, Saturday, 28 July 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
I mean I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would appear to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. If you show me a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it. But what I won't do is play ball. And this non-college bullshit you're givin' me, I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.
― calstars, Saturday, 28 July 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
creative, outside-the-box posting there, calstars
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
xpost ok which one of youse didn't put in?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
what a horrible and heartless post. fuck you calstars.
― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
DC takes it next level by not recognizing crappy Tarantino dialogue
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:14 (five years ago) link
Cultureless swines
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:14 (five years ago) link
🐷 🔥 🥓
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:15 (five years ago) link
two words/learn to fuckin type is a great line tho
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link
hahaha okay lol sorry calstars
tho i think posting that without any signposting that it's not an opinion you share does sorta invite a "fuck you" from the uninitiated
― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 29 July 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
Thats what dmac and i are here forTo initiate ilxors#irishgang
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 29 July 2018 03:54 (five years ago) link
You shoulda heard calstars on the Madonna thread.
― pplains, Sunday, 29 July 2018 04:28 (five years ago) link
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 29 July 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
i love tipping now that i can afford it. usually i do 20% but with Uber or whatever i will leave a $5 tip on a $13 ride.
everyone should have to work a job at some point in their lives where their pay is directly related to appeasing the customers. there should be a draft for the service industry.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
Oh god pplains I just nearly lost it at work
― Minister of the Pillow (fionnland), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-tipping-technology-20181130-story.html
Social norms around tipping are shifting in the U.S., thanks largely to the widespread adoption of technology that puts tipping front and center when paying for a coffee, a trip in a taxi or ride-share vehicle, or food delivery. The payment systems, which ask customers if they wish to leave a gratuity, are pushing people to tip more frequently and more generously for services they may have skimped on before.
― j., Sunday, 2 December 2018 01:55 (five years ago) link
so all this time yeve been all this singing and dancing and fuckin stiffin throughout
― puppy bash (darraghmac), Sunday, 2 December 2018 02:38 (five years ago) link
I was just reading this Lifehacker piece on hotel etiquette, and they ask the woman who wrote the new book "Maid" (which is worth your time - full title "Maid: Hard Work, Low Pay, and a Mother's Will to Survive ") what a guest should tip, and she suggests $10 per person *per day*, which seems crazy.
https://lifehacker.com/this-is-the-proper-etiquette-for-leaving-a-hotel-room-1833411570
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:07 (five years ago) link
maid of money
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:10 (five years ago) link
I am staying in a self-booked hotel for the very first time in 2 months and it never even occurred to me that I should tip, and I read that and was like "oh dear"
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 13:36 (five years ago) link
$10/day/person = $60 for my bf and I Friday to Monday????
I was reading that this morning too and thought it was crazy. But I have also read that Heads in Beds book that someone left at my place and people tip hotel staff like crazy at the beginning of a stay to get premium service.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 13:44 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I remember reading that but I've never seen it actually pan out. Here's a tip I learned from a friend, though: bake cookies or bring treats before a flight and gift them to the flight attendants on the way in, especially during the holidays. *That* sometimes pans out with upgrades and other comped stuff.
But $10 per person per day for a hotel? No way. I rarely make anything close to a mess, always reuse my towels, etc., throw out gross trash somewhere else. No way am I stripping beds, folding towels, vacuuming, dusting, fluffing pillows or whatever *and* tipping $10 a day per person in advance of the maid coming. The social contract is I pay for a room, I am not a slob, and I tip a couple of bucks a day.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:01 (five years ago) link
Oh, I sat next to a super clean cut guy with a Yale sweatshirt on that had every single attendant come up to say hi to him. I finally asked what was going on and he told me he always brings attendants Godiva chocolates to thank them for their work in the hopes of getting bumped up. It works when they have the space. ( I assume it also depends on the person).
― Yerac, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:07 (five years ago) link
The heads in beds book thought really says it's the front desk that has all the power in getting free booze and food sent up if they don't have the ability to upgrade rooms and taking a bunch of stuff off the end bill, late check out, etc. But it's funny it was interesting when he was describing the whole bell hop culture.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:10 (five years ago) link
Wasn't there a whole section on Brian Wilson?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link
OH yeah, there was that one random part about him.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:30 (five years ago) link
this feels like "wear a jacket" folk wisdom. all flight upgrades are handled by frequent flyer status and a computer these days.
$5/day is standard for a hotel room in the US. p.s. US tipping culture is vile but what are you going to do?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
my gf is a server in a farm to table resto. it's not hyper-expensive but people are usually paying at least $100 a head. they give a good tip out, based on a percentage of the price of the bills given to tables, to their kitchen staff. so when she is bilked by tables with stingy tips - generally of rich people, many of them american tourists, once one of the richest men in the city gave her circa 10% - it ends up costing her money.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
In the US, servers’ tax liability is predicated on 8 per cent of their takings. So if a party stiffs then on tips, they lose out twofold.
― suzy, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link
its a terrible system, agreed
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:04 (five years ago) link
you can also have the uk system of minimum wage and hardly anyone tips any amount. not great either
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
right but at least there is clarity about who to guillotine under that system
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
One thing that was pointed out to me is that if you are the kind of person who has their room made up every day (which I do not for various reasons) make sure you tip every day rather than one big sum at the end bc it’s often different crews working on different days ie the person who works Tuesday might not be the person working Thursday
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:31 (five years ago) link
In Ireland, we have a minimum wage and everyone tips now anyway
cos of TV and that probably
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:31 (five years ago) link
I mean not for insane stuff like pouring a drink into a glass
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:32 (five years ago) link
pretty much always did tip tbh
lookit we're just better we prob oughtnt rub it in
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/travel/ipad-tipping-gratuity.html
It was 2015 when I first began to grapple with tipping when ordering at a counter-service restaurant. I had ordered a fried chicken sandwich at Pine State Biscuits in Portland, Ore., and a friend chided me for not tacking on a gratuity to my credit card payment. I hadn’t even considered it.
― j., Monday, 16 September 2019 00:38 (four years ago) link
https://www.grubstreet.com/2020/07/tip-50-percent.html
Tip at least 50 percent. Tip 75 percent. Tip 100 percent. What’s stopping you? Do you need to save that money for the vacation to Saint-Tropez you’re planning on taking once this is all over? If you can afford to go to a restaurant right now and have a leisurely meal — because you don’t need to save as much money as you can? — then, yeah, you can afford it.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
Steal a car. Divorce your mom. What's stopping you? You like your "Freedom" and want to go home for the holidays? Well cry it up big baby. Nobody cares about you and no one is coming to save you. Time to hunt and kill an endangered species.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
i had to look up who wrote this. It did not disappoint.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
Is this journalism
― calstars, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 20:20 (three years ago) link
So I went to pre-order the El-P reissue of Fantastic Damage on vinyl. On the final page of the checkout process, there was a prompt to "Show Your Support for the Team at Fat Possum Records" with options to include a 5%, 10%, 15%, etc. I didn't really want to tip the mail-order guys at the company I'm buying a record from? But I figured if I didn't tip, there was a non-zero chance they would spit on my burger record. So I gave them 5%. But I definitely feel weird about the expansion of tipping outside of the restaurant/personal service sphere. Has anyone else seen anything like this, where there's an online tipping option for something you're just shopping for?
― peace, man, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:25 (two years ago) link
I always ignore those cases. They must know they're pushing the edge with that
― Nhex, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:50 (two years ago) link
Do you guys tip on a pickup restaurant order?
― calstars, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:04 (two years ago) link
I do. Even though I'm not getting the service that I would normally tip for, I operate on the assumption that the tip is going to someone in a tipped position.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:22 (two years ago) link
btw, "tip for" should be in quotations because I just automatically leave good tips, regardless of any hiccups in service. You'd have to actually do a shit on my food or something before I left a bad tip.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:23 (two years ago) link
definitely tip on pickup orders! this has been of extra importance since the pandemic started --- so much more business shifted to pickup, and there was way less business overall, so people who rely on tips experienced enormous income drops.
but it's always been appropriate. i haven't been in the service industry in a decade now, so i'm not sure what would be the current standard, but i'd say at least a buck or two if i'm just getting a sandwich or something, or like 10 or 12% or something like that on a more substantial meal order. not what you'd tip if you sat there and got table service, but enough to acknowledge that you got service, and that that took the time of someone who relies on tips to make their money. because very often, the people putting together to-go orders (and getting them to the front, nicely wrapped with all the condiments and whatnot) are people who are really on the clock to wait tables or tend the bar. so the time they spend taking care of your order is time not spent taking care of their in-person customers. especially if the place is busy and/or understaffed, they really could lose out.
― The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:11 (two years ago) link
I tip on pickup because usually somebody is reporting those sales and tipping out on it.
Nothing made me more pissed off when a client of mine ran up a huge $300 order at a local restaurant to feed our customer care team, and after hemming and hawing on whether to tip on a meal they paid with w/ their corporate card, stiffed them cos "they might get mad at headquarters if I give a big tip".
Obv I couldn't push back, if I attacked our client I'd have been out of a job. Just wish I had cash to throw in the appropriate tip myself, but alas I did not and there was no ATM.
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:24 (two years ago) link
(fuck that, I have a corporate card and I tip much more when it ain't my money)
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:25 (two years ago) link
if you don't tip on a pickup at a restaurant you run the risk of literally taking money out of the servers' pockets (if they tip out the kitchen on the amount sold, which is not uncommon ime)
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 19:25 (two years ago) link
yep. it is literally costing them money (in most establishments here at least)
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 19:26 (two years ago) link
I remember losing $1 on a 12 top table when I waited tables, because the bill was over $120 and they left me like two bucks. fortunately my manager cheated and 'comped' some of the bill after it had been paid so that I could get a bigger tip.
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 19:27 (two years ago) link
but people stiff on pickup all the time because "all they're doing is handing me food", when in reality they're putting the order in, checking on it, ensuring it comes out correctly, and then keeping it warm/safe until you arrive (sometimes late). and tipping out on that money later.
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link
Ringing up takeout pulls me away from service for the people who actually put on their grownup clothes and came out to eat and drink, so yeah I tip on takeout because golden rule and such.
― Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 19:47 (two years ago) link
https://www.grubstreet.com/article/new-tipping-rules.html
― 龜, Thursday, 2 February 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
the "because i said so" attitude there isn't very convincing
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
It's written by and for people living in NYC. The author doesn't bother to make a distinction between NYC and, say, Omaha or Spokane, because for the purpose of New York magazine those places hardly exist, and they certainly don't matter.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 2 February 2023 19:03 (one year ago) link
where is the galaxy brain take that points out the "everybody gets a tip" approach supports businesses underpaying their employees?i waited tables for 17 years and never expected to get a tip for takeout
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link
Tbh, this note from Choire and company via the Vulture email basically sums up that piece and the whole of their NEW RULES DROPPED article, not really worth the air to discuss it
I hope you enjoy or are very angered by our rules! Please let us know by furiously sharing them on social media.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2023 21:45 (one year ago) link
I will confess that I tip very generously (there were a few categories in that guide that I am not quite there with, but the general thrust is not far off from what I do).
Because the individual workers did not create the system that shortchanges them Punishing them for its existence doesn't work for me.
Theoretically, nonparticipation may EVENTUALLY change the business model, but I can't look a busser in the eye and tell them that my resistance to tipping culture is ultimately in their long-term best interest. If this makes me an enabler of capitalism, well, put me against the wall when the revolution comes.
For now, I just calculate generous tipping into my dining / drinking / carryout budget. If I can't afford to tip generously, I'll just go get some food from a grocery store and cook it.
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:11 (one year ago) link
Yo, tip your grocery store cashier.
― Jeff, Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link
Tips for takeout is normal to me but most places I worked we had a person on dinner shifts dedicated to takeout - it was usually a bridge between hosting or food running and waiting tables so they were getting $2.13 an hour + takeout tips.
I draw the line at tipping for buying a bottle of water.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:26 (one year ago) link
Coming from a non-tipping country, I find the idea of tipping a grocery store cashier bizarre - I do find it stressful having to deal with tipping when I'm in the US, so any explicit guide as to what and who you should tip is welcome to me. But why US employers can't just pay their employees what they fucking deserve instead of leaving it up to the customer to make a judgement call is beyond me.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link
Yeah it’s weird how everywhere else in the world everyone gets paid fairly. It’s just in the US that they aren’t paid a fair amount.
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:38 (one year ago) link
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:40 (one year ago) link
Fwiw, most of the people I hear complaining most about the omnipresence of tipping prompts in places they previously haven't been isn't so much about not wanting to tip or being anti-tipping, just more that it feels extra annoying since it seems to be popping up more and more just as prices on almost everything are going way up.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:42 (one year ago) link
just so we're clear on the level of the discourse(tm) associated with this pronouncement, here are several more NEW RULES that accompany the tipping section:
40. Do not touch the small of my back to move around me at the bar if you’re ugly.44. You and Bobby De Niro may go way back, but to everyone else, he’s Robert.59. The correct number of slices of pizza to order for a group of X people is 2X + X/3.68. Disperse — don’t clump — the superstars at the table.82. It’s fine to use COVID as an excuse to get out of almost anything.120. Even when a kids’ party says “no gifts,” you’re supposed to bring a gift.
44. You and Bobby De Niro may go way back, but to everyone else, he’s Robert.
59. The correct number of slices of pizza to order for a group of X people is 2X + X/3.
68. Disperse — don’t clump — the superstars at the table.
82. It’s fine to use COVID as an excuse to get out of almost anything.
120. Even when a kids’ party says “no gifts,” you’re supposed to bring a gift.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:49 (one year ago) link
basically clickbait works and also people like being told what to do
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:50 (one year ago) link
I’m an American and I have never tipped a supermarket cashier. Where in the US of A is this done?
― Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link
It’s not. That I’m aware of. I used to get tips as a bag boy tho.
― Jeff, Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:38 (one year ago) link
it's talking about getting a bottle of water at a Starbucks or something not the grocery store
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 3 February 2023 00:31 (one year ago) link
Bodegas near me have 15%, 18%, 20% and 25% tip options for buying a muesli bar or a can of beer.
― more crankable (sic), Friday, 3 February 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link
sharing is caring
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Friday, 3 February 2023 03:13 (one year ago) link
I came across something tonight that I've never seen before. When I got my check at a somewhat pricey bar, there was an Employee Wellness Charge added on that amounted to an automatic 20% gratuity. I wasn't sure what was expected for a tip on top of that. I added another $20 which was about 17% of the pre-tax bill, but even that felt like a lot. Don't know if I'm being a cheapskate and should have added a full tip, but it really felt like a lot.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:02 (nine months ago) link
I’m curious about this too…I’m generally a generous tipper but at place that do this I assume that means the work is done for me?
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:06 (nine months ago) link
It's not the tip.
― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:41 (nine months ago) link
It's a surcharge to pay for employee health insurance.
― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 24 June 2023 03:57 (nine months ago) link
what does "the tip" mean to you then
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 June 2023 04:03 (nine months ago) link
I mean I'm assuming most other restaurants arent covering health insurance, should I be tipping 60% everywhere else?
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 June 2023 04:04 (nine months ago) link
They make it clear it isn't a tip, but it's already 20% on top of a fairly high bill. No matter how you look at it, it feels like asking too much to expect a full tip on top of that. I don't love the fact that the charge isn't just factored into the food and drink prices, most likely because those are already pushing the limits of what's acceptable, so it's easier to get it by when customers may not be reading the fine print.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 24 June 2023 04:12 (nine months ago) link
Most places that have that surcharge charge between 3-5%. 20% is a lot
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 June 2023 05:54 (nine months ago) link
i just ate at a place in durham nc that added a 20% living wage charge and suggested 5-10% on top of that. i’m completely fine with the auto 20% bit as a society it would be nice to agree on what the guest’s obligation is after that.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 24 June 2023 11:53 (nine months ago) link
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 June 2023 12:42 (nine months ago) link
and then asa society incorporate it all into prices and have staff get proper pay and healthcare?
― conrad, Saturday, 24 June 2023 13:23 (nine months ago) link
What is this "society" you speak of that can come to agreement on things.
The last thing we as a society agreed on was, iirc, the cuteness of Shirley Temple.
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 24 June 2023 14:13 (nine months ago) link
What is this guy's beef? Is he saying it's a pain for bartenders to put through the payment or something else?
At the bar last night, the Zoomers were all paying with credit cards and closing out on every round. This is psycho behavior. Someone needs to teach these children how to go to the bar.— willy 🌜💧 (@willystaley) July 14, 2023
― Alba, Saturday, 15 July 2023 14:39 (eight months ago) link
The former. It's time consuming and almost guaranteed to create a bottleneck for other people to get their drinks. Do one transaction instead of several, please, especially in the middle of a busy service. Even if several people in the party are each buying a round, timeshift that pile of transactions to the end.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Saturday, 15 July 2023 14:58 (eight months ago) link
The reason doing this (which is obviously convenient for the customer) is time consuming are the US’s regressive tipping system and its primitive digital payments system. Tap to pay per pint is not slow anywhere else.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:02 (eight months ago) link
in Dublin last month just about every person buying pints tapped for it.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:10 (eight months ago) link
I was recently at a crowded bar connected to a music venue, and there were lots of young people there, most of whom seemed to be paying with cards. The bar did have a touchscreen payment system, so it wasn't like the bartender had to go back and swipe the card himself every time. But I did feel a little old because I would almost always rather pay with cash at a bar that's busy. Just seems simpler.
― jaymc, Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:17 (eight months ago) link
Until about a decade ago, I used to hate using a card for anything less than $10, even at the pharmacy or grocery store. I got over that, but I still have a lingering feeling that paying for a single beer with a card is an asshole move.
― jaymc, Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:21 (eight months ago) link
the guy is a bit of a nutbar. a few tweets later he admitted he had no idea if these people were having more than one drink (as opposed to his original tweet where he insinuated they were having several but closing after each one), and then he dropped this doozy
Wait till big brother decides you had enough to drink and that your digital $$ won't work.. (just temporarily you know till big brother decideds it's ok for you to drink again- after all they pay your health care costs...)— Jason Miller (@jbmp51) July 15, 2023
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:34 (eight months ago) link
that's not the OP tho
― jaymc, Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:43 (eight months ago) link
meh. i must have seen his post earlier up the thread and mistook him for OP. disregard my stupid ass
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:47 (eight months ago) link
Willy, ftr, is a NYT Magazine editor (tho that doesn't preclude him from being a nutbar)
― jaymc, Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:53 (eight months ago) link
the way people pay for things will never be systematized at a global scale. we're always going to have local differences and lags. this is why we regional customs around payment arise.
a bartender in the thread is asking people not to be rude, oblivious, and a drain on his time.
saying some "why can't it be like europe" shit and implying it's okay to inconvenience others because it's more convenient for yourself is so whack
― budo jeru, Saturday, 15 July 2023 16:21 (eight months ago) link
This morning I went to my favorite bagel shop, I owed them $6.49. Looked in my wallet, which contained precisely $6.
Now, this shop has been famously cash-only for decades. They used to have an in-store ATM that cost about $7 to use (built-in ATM fee plus an additional fee from the bank). No longer. They put in a card reader but there is a $10 minimum. (Their explanation makes sense - card fees make it hard to exist when most people are only spending three or four dollars. Blah blah economies of scale.)
Anyway I added some orange juices until it got over $10, but it was awkward. I ended up tipping a bunch just because I like them and want businesses like them to survive and/or thrive.
But the upshot is that the economics of a $40 transaction are different from four $10 transactions. Being a considerate customer is worth it just for the karma points.
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 July 2023 16:24 (eight months ago) link
I like to bop the card on the reader where it instantly deducts the exact amount and removes the requirement to make change. Makes a little beep as well
― (who is an amazing ice cream maker by the way) (gyac), Saturday, 15 July 2023 16:28 (eight months ago) link
The reason doing this (which is obviously convenient for the customer) is time consuming are the US’s regressive tipping system and its primitive digital payments system.
Two horrible tastes that taste even more horrible together. I'd love tap-to-pay and I'd love a pre-tip living wage.
Cash is rare enough at my bar that I worked five slammed hours last night and my cash tips were $11.50. Plastic ubiquity works out to my advantage in one way: servers don't share their cash tips with bartenders, but we get 10% of credit card tips, even on checks that don't include alcohol. I assume/hope the two inequities are a wash. In this newly-wet, uber-Baptist town it probably favors the bartenders.
We recently added a $1.45 card-transaction charge, which I warn customers about if they're buying a single drink. They don't care.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Saturday, 15 July 2023 16:55 (eight months ago) link
yeah we were slammed last night and with four bar staff on, we each took only 20 each in tips— but the plastic tips look to be in the 100s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 15 July 2023 17:04 (eight months ago) link
20 cash, sorry
Xxp surcharges on card transactions are illegal (at least in my state)
― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 15 July 2023 17:30 (eight months ago) link
― jaymc, Saturday, 15 July 2023 18:24 (eight months ago) link
I'd love a pre-tip living wage.
And so say all of us. We would all like that! But unless and until it gets there, I will continue to try to compensate for my society's failure to take care of people.
In the interim, I keep seeing onliney people saying stuff like "fuck that, I won't pay" [this or that surcharge for health care or whatever].
Waw, such brave, many justice. Great job being so principled that you screw over precisely the wrong people.
Refusing to tip in this environment, or refusing to pay additional money that might get to the real humans who bring you food? That only punishes the people who bring you food. Not the real villains (the people who decide how much to pay people who make food and/or bring it to you).
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 July 2023 19:12 (eight months ago) link
My response to those people as a tipped worker is get your own food and make your own good time at home then. Don’t wanna pay? Don’t avail yourself of the service.Why are you posting about how you’re not going to pay? Stay home. When it comes to that impulse to compare how the US handles tipping and how it’s done elsewhere, I truly would like to know what the point of that is. First, this place is not that place. Second: Do you have a better idea? If not, why are you bringing this up? Idgi. This is the world I live in, so…who cares?? Finally, a lol: a European (idk from where) four top asked me to add egg to their pizza. We don’t offer egg as a pizza topping. He tried to negotiate with me and I humored him by asking the kitchen. Sorry but no. I can’t magically make eggs happen. At the bottom of his cc receipt he wrote in all caps NO EGG NO TIPI took a pic of it, shared w the group chat and we all laughed at this jerk. No egg no tip has become my contribution to the arsenal of coworker in jokes. It’s funny but also this is just a portion of what we have to deal with. I could go on.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 15 July 2023 19:31 (eight months ago) link
Still think about a family that didn't tip me because the wife ordered a filet well-done and I had the temerity to ask if she wanted it butterflied (the steakhouse's standard question so that those diners didn't get hockey pucks). Guess I was puttin on airs.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2023 19:39 (eight months ago) link
A filet well done request? You should've called the NSA.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 July 2023 19:44 (eight months ago) link
i don’t know about others’ experiences, but it’s always the nicest people who don’t tip— as if by smiling and being friendly they make up for not tipping me when I am making them their fucking $10 cocktail. or like the $1 tip on a $28 bill— please, fuck off and die, shithead motherfucker.lol sorry , had some real “customers” last night
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 15 July 2023 20:48 (eight months ago) link
When it comes to that impulse to compare how the US handles tipping and how it’s done elsewhere, I truly would like to know what the point of that is. First, this place is not that place. Second: Do you have a better idea? If not, why are you bringing this up?God forbid pointing out that your precious country is pretty fucked up when it comes to tipping. What a relief living in Asia where they just add 10-15% automatically to every bill and you don’t have to worry about it anymore. Apparently this needs to be pointed out again and again, but the US is not the world, so don’t act surprised that non US people find it fucked up having to tip 40%.
― groovemaaan, Sunday, 16 July 2023 00:03 (eight months ago) link
Don’t get upset — iirc the op in the revive was about tipping in the USA so I thought it was not relevant to suddenly begin talking about how it’s done elsewhere. I may work for tips but I’m not dumb or overly USA-centric.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, 16 July 2023 00:29 (eight months ago) link
Also who tips 40%%??
Sorry I was out of line. Talking to Americans about this topic enrages me.
― groovemaaan, Sunday, 16 July 2023 00:40 (eight months ago) link
Well, American servers and bartenders are enraged too, but for different reasons. We're not the adversary.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 16 July 2023 00:48 (eight months ago) link
There should be more tips jars in more retail establishments
― brimstead, Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:05 (eight months ago) link
worldwide
Doesn't really count but I used to regularly tip 40-50% at lunch and bars - kind of felt like as a 1-top eating a $10.99 crawfish platter I should tip $5 to justify taking up the spot.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:20 (eight months ago) link
(Used to because I never eat lunch at a sit down place anymore and don't drink.)
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:21 (eight months ago) link
La Lechera otm.
Yes we are aware that America is not the world. If you are trying to navigate consuming goods and services here (as a lot of us are) it is a salient topic.
Health care is also complicated here, and we are allowed to talk about it! Amazing how this works, if you are not interested in something being discussed here you can scroll past it without being harmed. I have no interest in, say, Daft Punk, but it doesn't bother me that such chat exists.
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:21 (eight months ago) link
I bet one guy in Daft Punk is a great tipper but not the other one.Which genre artists do you think tip the most? I'd say ska, but only by quantity since there's 20 of them at a time.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 16 July 2023 03:29 (eight months ago) link
Also the US exports its culture—so its practice of tipping becomes a world issue.
In Australia, which is anti-tipping country, tipping is on the rise. Not because of some explicit imitation, but because the various payment systems include a tipping page or step as part its process. We're now prompted to tip and have to consciously reject it.
― Jedmond, Sunday, 16 July 2023 06:26 (eight months ago) link
I'm not sure tipping is on the rise in Australia. I'd say most people would tip for dinner in a relatively expensive restaurant, but in all other circumstances it's perfectly acceptable not to tip - and it would be downright weird to tip in a pub/bar as is de rigueur in the US.
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 16 July 2023 08:01 (eight months ago) link
Cash is rare enough at my bar that I worked five slammed hours last night and my cash tips were $11.50. Plastic ubiquity works out to my advantage in one way
if cash is so rare and it's good for you that ppl use plastic why the $1.45 transaction surcharge? seems kinda arbitrary and squirrely
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 July 2023 09:46 (eight months ago) link
Agreed that American tipping practices being fucked up is not an excuse not to tip in the US, seems self-evident to me.
Dunno if I've ever lived in a country that is straight up "anti tipping" tbf, in both Germany and Portugal tipping is a common practice for a job well done and a meal well made, it's just it's a "compliments to the chef" type thing, not an obligatory move that if you don't do it the waitstaff get into financial trouble. I know in Japan and South Korea tipping is frowned upon, which I think is a shame because those are also countries where you are very likely to get amazing food and service. Just let me give you extra money!
Here in London almost every restaurant now has a service charge included, which is pretty handy I admit and I need to get better at inspecting the tab to see if it's there or not because lately I've just been assuming.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 17 July 2023 10:00 (eight months ago) link
I always carry some cash with me for tipping cos I don’t trust that card tips get to where they should.
― a love song for connor wong (gyac), Monday, 17 July 2023 10:08 (eight months ago) link
i don’t know about others’ experiences, but it’s always the nicest people who don’t tip— as if by smiling and being friendly they make up for not tipping me when I am making them their fucking $10 cocktail.
do you get the impression that the same thing happens in reverse, like people who think that by tipping a large amount they're buying their way out of any obligation to be polite to the wait staff?
I've never worked in a bar or restaurant but I used to take inbound calls in a call-centre here in the UK, and I got the impression from the occasional Americans I spoke to that you have wildly different ideas about customer service in the US. It was jarring because the American callers were simultaneously weirdly nice (using the your first name a lot, asking about how your day was going, generally talking to you like you were old pals) and weirdly rude (unselfconsciously barking orders at you, general air of 'do this now' directness that most British callers would shy away from). I think in the UK people find both serving someone and being served by someone an embarrassing experience, so there's an attempt to make it impersonal, both of you implicitly acknowledge that you're not two people having a 'real' conversation, you're playing the roles of customer and employee, and holding back allows your real self to maintain some dignity
― he thinks it's chinese money (soref), Monday, 17 July 2023 10:49 (eight months ago) link
$10 cocktail.
in which city are you mixing these very cheap cocktails?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 July 2023 11:50 (eight months ago) link
Philadelphia.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 17 July 2023 12:13 (eight months ago) link
And most of them are 9-13$, i was just spitballing
I'd need a liver airlifted to me.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 July 2023 12:21 (eight months ago) link
CC tips benefit me personally, not the business. If everyone magically started using cash, the owners would probably love it. They're passing along fees from their CC processor to the customers.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Monday, 17 July 2023 13:02 (eight months ago) link
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 17 July 2023 13:37 (eight months ago) link
They're passing along fees from their CC processor to the customers.
this. same reason that some convenience stores do it (or avoid it by saying "credit card transactions minimum $5 transaction")
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 July 2023 13:45 (eight months ago) link
In the US if you deposit too much cash in the banks, they will charge you a fee. Probably not near as much as CC processors but coupled with theft/robbery/grossness of handling bills risk and customer tendency to overspend on a card, there's a lot of incentives to go cashless.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 17 July 2023 14:05 (eight months ago) link
Yes. I have no doubt about this. The most contemptuous customers pay extra if they can treat you like shit. This has happened to me since I started doing this sort of work at 16. Age doesn’t matter either, it still happens. I can smell it. It always starts with asking my name and then repeating it until the sound of my own name makes my stomach turn.― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, July 17, 2023 8:37 AM
OTM. Disheartening on a "good" day, infuriating otherwise.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Monday, 17 July 2023 14:12 (eight months ago) link
Yes. I have no doubt about this. The most contemptuous customers pay extra if they can treat you like shit. This has happened to me since I started doing this sort of work at 16. Age doesn’t matter either, it still happens. I can smell it. It always starts with asking my name and then repeating it until the sound of my own name makes my stomach turn.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 17 July 2023 14:14 (eight months ago) link
The restaurant would be called Serves You Right.
Last time I went to this restaurant, they made us all stand up and played the national anthem.
― pplains, Monday, 17 July 2023 14:18 (eight months ago) link
The first entirely cashless business I encountered was a busy upscale cafe in downtown Chicago that I used to get coffee and lunch from when I worked nearby. This was maybe 5 or 6 years ago. It didn't make a difference to me to pay with a card, though I did feel weird that it necessarily excluded less well-to-do people who don't have cards.
― jaymc, Monday, 17 July 2023 14:21 (eight months ago) link
as someone who has worked in retail and hospitality for most of their working life, I think it is wild that we leave the responsibility to make earnings reasonable in the hands of people who show themselves to be completely unreasonable
― boxedjoy, Monday, 17 July 2023 14:21 (eight months ago) link
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Monday, 17 July 2023 14:31 (eight months ago) link
part of the reason I stopped working in restaurant industry is that I was barely scraping by and so I had to appease a bunch of entitled little shits nightly to ensure I could pay for my car that month.
well that and the fact that they laid me off
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 July 2023 14:33 (eight months ago) link
Going back to the tweet that started this revival.
Yes, it's crazy that the youngest drinkers are closing out each round. Keep in mind that they were quarantined for 12+ months. Do they know that they can safely leave their credit card in the secure hands of the bartender? It's crazy to assume that they'd think (1.) that's a thing to do and (2.) that the bartender would actually prefer to keep their card for them.
I'm trying hard to remember the first time I was asked if I wanted to "start a tab." I was likely using cash exclusively, so it was more a matter of trust on the bartender's part than me having to leave anything valuable with him/her as collateral. By the time I paid my first tab with a credit card, I was familiar with the process.
Imagine the look I'd get from someone born in the 21st Century if I told them that I used to keep my first bank debit card in good standing by making 10 individual purchases each month with it, sometimes by "catching up" at the end of the month with four separate purchases of gum or Lifesavers. Now tell them that they should leave their credit cards, secret three-pinnned security code on the back and everything, with that complete stranger on the other side of the bar.
― pplains, Monday, 17 July 2023 15:19 (eight months ago) link
the last time I was a restaurant employee, the receipts didn't even X out the full credit card number like 99.9% do today. the entire number sitting there on credit card receipts, copies of which were usually left about the restaurant as the customer didn't always take their copy.
at least one co-worker bragged about 'getting revenge' on a bad customer by keeping a receipt and using guy's credit card to send terrible crap to his house, but the probability that any of the shit that guy said being true is less than 1%.
also...my current company, when I started in 2005, was still having customers use their SSN as user IDs, which included saying it over the phone. and sending forms requiring you to write the whole thing on a form.
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 July 2023 15:23 (eight months ago) link
let me ask any bartenders in here - do you prefer the "keep your card and give back after closing out" method, or the "scan card and give back" method that many bars are gravitating towards? wasn't sure which was easier for bartenders.
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 July 2023 15:25 (eight months ago) link
I was gonna say, most bars don't hold on to your card these days.
I usually open a tab but I'm also a lightweight and will often close it out without ordering more. Is that considered bad form?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 17 July 2023 15:30 (eight months ago) link
the number of times that i forgot to close out my tab because i was too drunk, and had to go back to the bar the next afternoon to get my card..,,, well one's too many but reader it happened quite a bit
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 July 2023 15:45 (eight months ago) link
Many bars these days print a copy of the receipt with what you've ordered up to that moment and put it in an empty glass.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 July 2023 15:52 (eight months ago) link
yeah a lot around me do that
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 July 2023 15:53 (eight months ago) link
Scan and hand back is best for all concerned. And extra points if - upon settling up - you get the pleasant exchange of "leave it on the card?" "Yep!"
Not because I ever have reason to change payment methods. But because it just feels kinda nice that they ask.
Maybe there are people who use one card to open a tab but a different one to pay. Maybe some folks like to use a card to open a tab but then settle in cash. I am not one of the but it's nice of servers to provide options.
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 July 2023 16:09 (eight months ago) link
I take it like the same thing as a hotel asking you for a card but letting you pay with a different one at checkout - the initial card is to verify the person can pay for the goods, but probably legally have tp verify that they also want to use that card to settle up
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 July 2023 16:14 (eight months ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Monday, July 17, 2023 11:45 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I did this at least a handful of times in law school and never before or since.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 17 July 2023 16:21 (eight months ago) link
Going into that bar at 10:30 in the morning, not recognizing anyone. Taking that little plastic recipe box and thumbing through the cards for mine. "ah, look. Pete left his behind too!"
― pplains, Monday, 17 July 2023 16:32 (eight months ago) link
I don’t drink much, so (on the rare occasions I’m in a bar) my tendency is to pay for one drink and tip decently without starting a tab.
But this thread has me thinking if I’m ever in a more than one drink situation - or if somehow I’m buying drinks for other people - a tab is kinda the humane way to go.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 17 July 2023 16:47 (eight months ago) link
a lot of the card conveniences or inconveniences depend on the POS system. we use Square at the bar where I work, and the system for getting the card info saved in the system and having a name associated with it and finding it later is, frankly, super time-consuming and irritating. most of the young people who come to the bar either pay with Apple Pay or CashApp, which i think is fine. these conveniences don’t have anything to do with how much they tip, ime.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 17 July 2023 17:01 (eight months ago) link
I was just at a bar playing music for several hours. I had a hamburger and there were, I think, four glasses of wine (two for me and two for someone else).
The tab was $1.09. I have no idea how they came up with that - typically I don't have detailed conversations about band tabs. I am glad to get anything comped, of course. But I also wouldn't mind paying full price for food/beverages while also getting paid in normal money for music.
It would certainly make tipping way easier. Sometimes I end up tipping nearly random amounts because I simply don't know what the charges should have been. This time I added $10 because it seemed about right (I am assuming it would have been a $50ish check).
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 03:33 (eight months ago) link
the phrase "NO EGG NO TIP" has popped into my mind a few times since reading it and it always makes me feel slightly delirious, thank you LL :)
― rob, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 14:30 (eight months ago) link
haha!! you are very welcome. i feel the same way about it. NO EGG NO TIP will be with me for the long haul.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 14:32 (eight months ago) link
When my sister was waitressing, if she got massively shorted on a tip by stingy diners, she occasionally followed the worst offenders out the door and told them ‘you forgot your change!’
Is the thing about people writing ‘Jesus loves you’ on the check in lieu of a tip a real thing?
― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 15:13 (eight months ago) link
no egg no tip
i strictly roots
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 15:17 (eight months ago) link
guy strictly rude, more like
― got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 15:34 (eight months ago) link
I’m sure someone wrote Jesus Loves You when I was working in NC but it hasn’t happened elsewhere that I can recall. Then again I’ve also noticed that my brain erases a lot of these experiences bc 1) not helpful to hold onto them and 2) actively hurtful to dwell on how poorly I’ve been treated.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 15:39 (eight months ago) link
A waitressing friend of mine once received a one-dollar tip from a particularly obnoxious table. One of the diners accidentally forgot an expensive camera* in the booth.
(* = This was in the 80s. I am speaking of a film camera.)
There were a few pictures left on the roll of film, so my friend used them to take pictures of that precisely one-dollar tip being flushed down the toilet.
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 16:13 (eight months ago) link
When I worked at Applebee's, I had a colleague who received a tip of pennies on a $70 meal (2001 money). She followed the diners out to the parking lot and threw the pennies at their car. She was promptly fired, of course, but the TGIFridays down the street scooped her up the next day.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 16:55 (eight months ago) link
A wise career move
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:09 (eight months ago) link
I am not sure whether my sister hurled pennies at stingy customers in retreat (all signs point to yes) but she upbraided bad customers in the knowledge that her job was totally safe. The owners hated people like that and knew she was an excellent server. This was a neighbourhood place where regulars tipped nearer 25 per cent, with the occasional huge tip from someone affiliated with the Minnesota Vikings.
― steely flan (suzy), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:58 (eight months ago) link