Extreme Metal, what is the best?What is extreme metal?
Is it harsher than what would play on an alternative rock station? Does the band's logo look like a weird bat-knot? Lots of distortion, low fidelity, inflammatory lyrical content are some hallmarks, but not necessarily present in extreme metal.
Some microgenres of extreme metal include:- back metal- death metal- funeral doom metal- drone metal- gore metal- thrashcore/grind/grindcore/goregrind- death doom- industrial metal
I'm not going to exclude popular well known "false" bands like Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir, that's just elitist. Also, if its crossover and/or metalcore or post-hardcore or whatever, I dunno -- use your best judgement. Stuff like noise and power electronics and whatever is extreme but it's not metal so it doesn't count. However, the Boris/Merzbow split does... I hope you can see why that would be and refrain from concern trolling me.
I am allowing EPs because in several genres they are the same thing as a full album, and also I see no reason to exclude them in general. You probably don't want to nominate an 'accessible' album of an extreme artist, but I won't disallow it (a famous case being Carcass - Swansong). I mean, things are really loose here. There are a lot of edge cases with this kind of thing and I'll err on the side of allowing a nomination. No limit to your nominations. I'll devise voting rules with the help of people who are interested in this poll.
The nominations list is:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WKuG4E8u5i4xOPvs6wq9ZPgGxkAmv1w8YEXVG9HANfI/edit?usp=sharing
I suppose one week is enough time for nominating, unless someone makes a case for more time... Right now it is 1:15 AM Sunday, September 27, 2015 UTC,so your noms are valid up to oh lets say 2 AM Sunday, October 4th, 2015 UTC. (UTC is also the same as GMT, in case you're wondering)
Uh hopefully this is a good starting post, I'll be around to deal with issues...
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:24 (eight years ago) link
You can also vote for something that hasn't been nominated, but we'll deal with things like that on the voting thread.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
Venom - Welcome To HellCeltic Frost - Morbid TalesHellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link
got them added, thanks!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:33 (eight years ago) link
Immolation-Close to a World BelowSarcofago-The Temples of ScourgeDeath-HumanMacabre-GloomIncantation-Onward to GolgothaDismember-LIke an Everflowing Stream
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:33 (eight years ago) link
Entombed- Left Hand PathMorbid Angel - Altars of MadnessBurzum - FilosofemWeakling - Dead As DreamsDeath - Scream Bloody Gore & LeprosyAutopsy - Mental FuneralWinter - Into Darkness
― jimmy falloff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
xp got those added, thanks!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
― ciderpress, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:38 (eight years ago) link
i hope people wont be shy and add the obvious big thrash albums by Metallica , Slayer etc
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:38 (eight years ago) link
yay for early Death getting nommed. Leprosy is one of my fav albums.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:40 (eight years ago) link
got your noms added too, HAWKZ
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:40 (eight years ago) link
don't want to bias the poll, but this one of my favorites!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link
Absu - TaraDarkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern SkyEmperor - In the Nightside Eclipse; Anthems to the Welkin at DuskMayhem - De Mysteriis Dom SathanasPestilence - Consuming ImpulseSuffocation - Pierced from WithinThorns - Thorns
I'm stumped on Enslaved. I could see Frost, Eld, Mardraum, Beneath the Lights, and the Hordanes Land split all going into any list of essentials, because they all present various facets of the band. I'll give it more thought.
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:42 (eight years ago) link
agree with all of yrs Devilock except Thorns and that's only cos I ain't heard it.
that fuckin' Mayhem album.....and that Pestilence especially
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
nominate them all
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
ok I nominate every metal album ever recorded
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:45 (eight years ago) link
I gotta attend to something for like an hour so I will not be around to respond but I will add the noms! I'm so glad we already have some coming in!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 01:48 (eight years ago) link
Shall add the imago metal to tempt him
Darkspace - IISunn o))) - Monoliths & DimensionsKhanate - Khanate
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link
and its silly not having these alreadyMetallica - Kill Em AllMetallica - Ride The LightningMetallica - Master Of Puppets
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Satyricon gets dumped on for reasons beyond my comprehension. Every time I listen to Nemesis Divina I'm like god damn this is a perfect album. The earlier two are definitely works in progress, though.
So uh
Satyricon - Nemesis Divina
I could probably nominate everything that came out of Norway in the first half of the 90s, honestly.
Let's see. I admit to not really getting into the German thrash thing; I'll leave that to others.
Anata - Under a Stone with No Inscription; The Conductor's DepartureBlut Aus Nord - The Work Which Transforms God; Memoria Vetusta 2: Dialogue with the StarsCarcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious; HeartworkCoroner - No More Colour; Mental VortexDeathspell Omega - Si Monumentum Requires, CircumspiceLeviathan - Tentacles of WhorrorMorbid Angel - Blessed Are the Sick; Covenant
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:05 (eight years ago) link
Megadeth - Rust In PeaceMegadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
co-sign Nemesis..."Mother North" is gorgeous
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
oh you better do itArtist - Album otherwise frobisher wont pick those up as its confusing the way you did it
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link
Haha what is going on with that google doc. Can anyone edit it?
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link
as a poll runner i know its murder to collate the noms if not done in the proper way
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:08 (eight years ago) link
Oh, no, I guess I can't edit it. Which is good because it's all wacky.
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:09 (eight years ago) link
Let me re-post without troublesome semicolons:
Anata - Under a Stone with No InscriptionAnata - The Conductor's DepartureBlut Aus Nord - The Work Which Transforms GodBlut Aus Nord - Memoria Vetusta 2: Dialogue with the StarsCarcass - Necroticism: Descanting the InsalubriousCarcass - HeartworkCoroner - No More ColourCoroner - Mental VortexDeathspell Omega - Si Monumentum Requires, CircumspiceLeviathan - Tentacles of WhorrorMorbid Angel - Blessed Are the SickMorbid Angel - Covenant
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:11 (eight years ago) link
Nocturnus - The KeyPungent Stench - Been Caught ButteringStormtroopers of Death - Speak English or DieTerrorizer - World DownfallRepulsion - HorrifiedCryptopsy - None So VileVital Remains - DechristianizeHigh on Fire - Blessed Black WingsImmortal - Pure HolocaustMayhem - Wolf's Lair AbyssSarcofago-I.N.R.I.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:13 (eight years ago) link
Malevolent Creation - The Ten CommandmentsMalevolent Creation - Retribution
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:22 (eight years ago) link
Carpathian Forest - Black Shining LeatherDestroyer 666 - Phoenix RisingLunar Aurora - AndachtNagelfar - Hunengrab im HerbstNagelfar - Virus WestSargeist - Let the Devil InVoivod - Killing TechnologyVoivod - Dimension HatrossVoivod - Nothingface
I'm already veering from "obvious staples" to "screw you I really love this album" so I'll let the spaces get filled in before I add more.
Lord how did I forget Nocturnus.
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:23 (eight years ago) link
Convulse - World Without God
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
I need to think tomorrow and nominate all the funeral doom only I will vote for
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
Worship - DooomEsoteric - Paragon of DissonanceGorguts - Coloured SandsNails - Abandon All LifeDiscordance Axis - The Inalienable DreamlessKrallice - Years Past MatterBrutal Truth - End TimesWormed - ExodromosVektor - Outer IsolationMgla - With Hearts Towards None
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:56 (eight years ago) link
oh damn, i fucked the spreadsheet up pretty badly. I'm gonna be fixing that, so ya its gonna look fucked up for awhile... sorry bout that this is my first rodeo.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:58 (eight years ago) link
But all of your nominations will be on it!
OK everything should be correct now, and all noms up to now added! I think I'm headed to bed. Thanks a bunch everybody this is already a bunch of fun!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 03:14 (eight years ago) link
Autopsy - Severed SurvivalBathory - Under the Sign of the Black MarkBathory - Blood Fire DeathCeltic Frost - To Mega TherionDarkthrone - Under A Funeral MoonDarkthrone - Transylvanian HungerDismember - Like An Ever Flowing StreamEntombed - Left Hand PathGorgoroth - PentagramKreator - Pleasure to KillMorbid Saint - Spectrum of DeathPossessed - Seven ChurchesSadus - IllusionsSodom - In the Sign of EvilSodom - Obsessed By CrueltySodom - Persecution ManiaVed Buens Ende - Written In Waters
― Dominique, Sunday, 27 September 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
Samael - Ceremony Of OppositesGorgoroth - Under The Sign Of HellBehemoth - ...And The Forests Dream EternallyAsphyx - Last One On EarthDeath - Individual Thought PatternsBolt Thrower - For VictoryDisembowelment - Transcendence Into The PeripheralWinter - Into DarknessSacramentum - Far Away From The SunParadise Lost - GothicNocturnal Mortum - The Voice Of SteelCynic - FocusPestilence - Testimony Of The AncientsObituary - Slowly We Rot
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 September 2015 06:28 (eight years ago) link
Thergothon - Stream From The HeavensSaturnus - Paradise Belongs To YouMy Dying Bride - Turn Loose The SwansAnathema - The Silent EnigmaSepultura - Beneath The RemainsKreator - Pleasure To KillDeath Anfel - The Ultra-ViolenceSodom - Persecution ManiaDestruction - Infernal Overkill
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 September 2015 06:38 (eight years ago) link
couple of dupes already, and it should read Death Angel not Anfel.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 September 2015 06:40 (eight years ago) link
And here I was thinking Death Anfel were some super-obscure death/doom band from Belgium or something...
You gotta hear the Thorns record if you like black metal; it's outstanding and does a great job of integrating industrial elements without it becoming a lame distortion fest. Guitar sound oddly reminds me of Massacre's From Beyond.
― jimmy falloff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 27 September 2015 07:07 (eight years ago) link
Dismember - Massive Killing CapacityCradle Of Filth - MidianVenom - Black MetalRoot - Zjevení Decapitated - Winds Of Creation
― I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 September 2015 07:12 (eight years ago) link
xp oh and the Thorns stuff from the Thorns Vs. Emperor EP is amazing if you don't mind demented use of synths, programming and ProTools - they really make Emperor look bad and unimaginative on that EP.
Oh and let's add
Ulver - Bergtatt and Nattens MadrigalCarcass - Symphonies of SicknessBrutal Truth - Extreme Conditions and Need to ControlNapalm Death - Scum and From Enslavement to Obliteration
What do you guys think about other Napalm stuff? I feel like Harmony Corruption, for all of it's bloated song lengths and terrible, terrible production was pretty influential in the long run (I think it was the first ND album distributed domestically in the US).
XP oh shit Root!!! Such a great band.
― jimmy falloff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 27 September 2015 07:15 (eight years ago) link
Hellhammer - Satanic RitesSetherian - NordEnslaved - Vikingligr Veldi
some Summoning obviously but hard to pick one.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 September 2015 07:20 (eight years ago) link
Setherial - Nordstupid typos
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 September 2015 07:21 (eight years ago) link
Gorement - The Ending QuestGraveland - The Celtic WinterMaster's Hammer - RitualStrid - StridImpaled Nazarene - Ugra-KarmaAnaal Nathrakh - The Codex Necro
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 September 2015 07:29 (eight years ago) link
Drudkh - Autumn Aurora
― Siegbran, Sunday, 27 September 2015 07:30 (eight years ago) link
Oh yeah some folky stuff:
Borknagar - The Olden DomainHorn - Die Kraft der SzenarienHorn - NaturkraftMyrkgrav - Trollskau, skromt og kolabrenningVintersorg - Odemarkens SonVintersorg - Visions from the Spiral Generator
I admit I've never much listened to Windir or Falkenbach. They should probably be here but I have no idea which albums.
USBM:
December Wolves - Completely DehumanizedDemoncy - Joined in DarknessEpoch of Unlight - Caught in the UnlightFog - Through the Eyes of Night...Winged They ComeGrand Belial's Key - Judeobeast AssassinationNachtmystium - Instinct:DecayUnholy Trinity - Omnimalevolence
Oh and:
Beherit - Drawing Down the MoonRotting Christ - Thy Mighty ContractRotting Christ - Triarchy of the Lost LoversZyklon - World ov Worms which I feel is one of the most underrated albums ever
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 08:15 (eight years ago) link
Cannibal Corpse - Bloodthirst (I vastly prefer the Corpsegrinder era)Chasm, the - Deathcult for Eternity: The TriumphChasm, the - Procession to the InfraworldChasm, the - The Spell of RetributionDeicide - DeicideDeicide - LegionDisincarnate - Dreams of the Carrion KindIncantation - Mortal Throne of NazareneIncantation - Diabolical ConquestInfester - To the Depths in Degradation
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 08:21 (eight years ago) link
Dead Congregation - Graves of the ArchangelsDisma - Towards the MegalithDomains - Sinister CeremoniesFuria - Martwa polska jesienFuria - Grudzien za grudniemLost Soul - Immerse in InfinityPig Destroyer - Prowler in the YardSpite Extreme Wing - Vltra
hookay think I'm done, I'm well outside of the "undisputed classics" realm
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 08:29 (eight years ago) link
Absu - AbsuAbyssal - AntikatastaseisÆvangelist - Omen Ex SimulacraAltar of Plagues - White TombBotanist - VI: FloraDeathspell Omega - ParacletusDark Funeral - The Secrets of the Black ArtsGojira - The Way of All FleshEsoteric - Paragon of DissonanceKrallice - KrallicePlebeian Grandstand - LowgazersSepultura - AriseThantifaxath - Sacred White NoiseWolves in the Throne Room - Black CascadeWoods of Desolation - Torn Beyond Reason
― Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 27 September 2015 09:23 (eight years ago) link
Death - Individual Thought PatternsKill The Client - CleptocracyImmolation - Kingdom of ConspiracyCannibal Corpse - KillCannibal Corpse - Tomb of the MutilatedPestilence - Testimony of the AncientsMarduk - WormwoodMarduk - Panzer Division MardukNecrophagist - EpitaphFuneral Mist - MaranathaGrave - Into The Grave
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 27 September 2015 10:10 (eight years ago) link
Antediluvian - Logos (λόγος)Celeste - Morte(s) Née(s)Dead Congregation - Promulgation of the FallDesolate Shrine - The Sanctum of Human DarknessGlaciation - Sur les falaises de marbreImmolation - Majesty and DecayInquisition - Magnificent Glorification of LuciferKrallice - DiotimaNe Obliviscaris - The Aurora VeilPeste Noire - La sanie des siècles - Panégyrique de la dégénérescencePrimordial - To the Nameless DeadRorcal - VilágvégeThou - HeathenThou - The SummitUlcerate - The Destroyers of AllUrfaust - Der freiwillige BettlerWatain - Lawless DarknessWolves in the Throne Room - Diadem of 12 Stars
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Sunday, 27 September 2015 12:15 (eight years ago) link
Skepticism - StormcrowfleetEsoteric - Metamorphogenesis Shape of Despair - Angels of DistressWorship - Last Tape/vinyl/cd Before DoomsdayEvoken - Quietus Mournful Congregation - The Monad of CreationPantheïst - O SolitudeHjarnidaudi - Pain:Noise:March
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:06 (eight years ago) link
diSEMBOWELMENT - Transcendence Into the PeripheralAtaraxie - Slow Transcending Agony
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:13 (eight years ago) link
Coffins - Buried Death
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link
frobisher I assume the likes of Electric Wizard and Sleep count?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:16 (eight years ago) link
Sleep - DopesmokerElectric Wizard - Dopethrone
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link
Corrupted - El mundo frioCorrupted - Llenandose de gusanos
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link
Corrupted - Se hace por los suenos asesinos
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
Converge - Jane Doe
Yob - The Unreal Never Lived
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
btw there's a hair metal poll by grady due up now too and I know you will all want to vote
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
Warhorse - As Heaven Turns to Ash
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 15:12 (eight years ago) link
Harvey Milk - Courtesy and Good Will Toward Men
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link
Grief - Come To Grief
jfc that silent opening into immediate brutality on Thorns scared the shit out of me over the headphones THANKS A LOT GOTT PUNCH
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
Isis - CelestialBoris - AbsolutegoNeurosis - Through Silver In Blood
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
btw you forgot doom death in your description ;)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link
Agalloch - The MantleAgalloch - Ashes Against The Grain
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link
might as well get it out of the way tooBurzum - Filosofem
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link
vote split burzum withBurzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
Slayer - South of Heaven
Mastodon - Remission
Godflesh - Streetcleaner
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
Negură Bunget - OM
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
Agalloch - Ashes Against The Grain
One of my favorite albums ever but I was debating whether or not it belonged on an 'Extreme' metal list. Now that it's been nominated I'm definitely going to vote for it though.
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
if it wasnt then pretty much all thrash wouldnt and that'd be silly
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
i don't see any napalm death. why do you guys hate napalm death?
― scott seward, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
I've actually seen death metal fans online saying thrash isnt extreme metal .Reminds me of those (funnily enough some are thrash metal fans) who say the original heavy metal bands of the 70s arent metal.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
nominate it scott we cant remember everything!
Napalm Death - ScumNapalm Death - From Enslavement To Obliteration
better?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
Altar of Plagues - Teethed Glory and InjuryCarpathian Forest - Defending the Throne of EvilDeafheaven - SunbatherEntombed - ClandestineFen - EpochFluisteraars - DromersGaldr - GaldrMayhem - Esoteric WarfareMeshuggah - obZenOranssi Pazuzu - ValonieluSatyricon - Dark Medievan TimesWalknut - Graveforests and Their ShadowsWinterfylleth - The Threnody of TriumphWolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters
― Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
Er, that should be:
Satyricon - Dark Medieval Times
― Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
Napalm Death - Time Waits For No SlaveNapalm Death - UtilitarianSuffocation - Pierced From WithinSuffocation - Effigy of the ForgottenSuffocation - Pinnacle of BedlamWormrot - Abuse
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 27 September 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
Ooh WormRot
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link
Gridlink - Amber GreyGridlink - OrphanGridlink - Longhena
― jmm, Sunday, 27 September 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
Vader - De ProfundityGorguts - The Erosion of SanityDeicide - DeicideDeicide - LegionDeicide - Once Upon the CrossYob - The Great CessationAngelcorpse - ExterminateGorefest - Mind lossSkeletonwitch - Breathing the FireHypocrisy - Obsculum ObscenumEntombed -Clandestine
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
Shining - BlackjazzSubrosa - More Constant Than The GodsThe Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead SceneThe Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire WorksVattnet Viskar - Sky SwallowerWolvserpent - Perigea AntahkaranaAmon Amarth - Versus the WorldConverge - You Fail MeDisfear - Live the StormInquisition - Obscure Verses for the MultiversePanopticon - Kentucky
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 27 September 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
The Stone Roses - The Stone RosesGreen Day - DookieElastica - ElasticaPropellerheads - DecksandrumsandrockandrollBloc Party - Silent Alarm
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
wow, lots of nominations! I'll be adding these asap... I def. think Agalloch counts, and very heavy doom def. counts (eg. Sleep, Electric Wizard, Yob, Cough) as well as sludgy stuff. Candlemass and Pentagram and other trad. doom doesn't fit.
So far everyone seems to know what fits, I haven't noticed any egregious nominations so far.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
you didn't read the previous post did you
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
hopefully imago will get 51 flag posts
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
lol, I see it. very funny imago... obv. those aren't going on the list.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link
i cant see what point imago is trying to make there. just looking for attention as per
― tayto fan (Michael B), Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
waiting for the "its just banter" post
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link
Extreme Bantz
― tayto fan (Michael B), Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link
Enslaved - FrostEnslaved - EldEnslaved - Mardraum: Beyond the WithinEnslaved - Below the LightsImmortal - At the Heart of WinterImmortal - Sons of Northern DarknessMarduk - Opus NocturneMarduk - Rom 5:12Mayhem - Ordo ad ChaoOpeth - MorningriseOpeth - My Arms Your HearseOpeth - Still LifeRipping Corpse - Dreaming with the Dead
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
i think its pretty fair to say anything by Boris from Pink onwards doesnt count?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
pink & smile definitely shouldn't count imo
Yet Isis - Oceanic probably does.
How you gonna decide on this frobisher? Glad its not me running the poll, lol
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
I don't know enough about Boris! Did they turn into an indie band or something?
I think Isis counts -- if its long and experimental and complex that's extreme, but then that kind of definition would open the door to Tool, which certainly doesn't count. This is tough, I'll probably add anything that seems legit as there are already tons of stuff I've never heard being nominated, I guess this is based on the honor system. If I see obvious not-extreme stuff like Helloween or Iced Earth or Manowar, etc, those will not make it on the list. :)
This has me thinking about my early extreme metal experiences. This is probably way out there but does anyone remember the name of a notoriously bad goremetal/dm band with real obvious tacky drum machine drums? I think they're name started with a C, and one of their albums has like a zombie with a chainsaw on the cover... sorry that's really vague but maybe someone knows what I'm talking about.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
Oh yeah and the early albums from the big 4 thrash bands count, but like for Metallica for example, I'm not going to add the Black Album or anything after.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
they made albums after???
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link
Frobisher you aren't thinking of Mortician are you
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
Baphomet - The Dead Shall Inherit
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
Wow, not excluding dupes there are already 309 albums nominated!
YES its Mortician! Thank you HSB!!!!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
Deafheaven was just banter as well, right?
What even is 'extreme' metal, this just seems like a metal poll, which is fine, just don't call it 'extreme' i'm sure you've all been over this already though blah blah
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
a lot of metal isnt extreme
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
A lot of the metal nominated already here doesn't seem particularly 'extreme' by metal standards! But ah well, all subjective I guess. You'd best watch out for my real nominations though. They'll be super-duper extreme
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
Deafheaven is extreme, I don't know why they wouldn't be? I know people can't stand the idea that they're black metal but whatever. This is not about elitism or nitpicking. I mean, we're letting Agalloch & Drudkh in, Deafheaven is certainly as extreme as them.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
I doubt your expertise on what constitutes extreme metal, imago. I'm gonna trust peeps like HAWKZ & Devilock & HSB as they are actual metal fans who listen to metal...
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
I'm probably being an elitist dick tbf so I'll shut up and nominate xp until you said that! oh em gee you've done it now pal
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
huh? what did I do? look, you're free to nominate non-trolling albums I'm not excluding anyone.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
But yes, the definition of extreme is very loose in this poll but it certainly isn't a general metal poll (that's already been done).
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
Welllll I'm going less by the "extreme" tag and more by the subgenres listed. In my personal life I don't see much difference in composition or execution between Emperor's Anthems and something like Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian. It's mostly a question of ... decibels? BPM? Production? I dunno. In fact I was thinking of the difference between, say, Strapping Young Lad's City and Devin Townsend's Ocean Machine or Physicist. I assume only City is considered "extreme" and now we're already in fuzzy land.
Anyway
Strapping Young Lad - City
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
But Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian is the best metal album ever. Obv.
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
Right, Devilock I think you've got the right idea here. TBH I realized how thorny this poll might be after I proposed it, and thought about changing it to a single genre poll (like Black Metal), but oh well.
Another good rule of thumb -- If its in Kerrang! it most likely does not belong here.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
I usually just go by if terrorizer covered them then its in
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/terroris.htm
all decisions are frobishers though
what was extreme 10, 20, 30 years ago might not sound extreme now so you have to balance up the era it came out. Sure , thrash metal isnt very extreme now but it sure was when the albums were made.Obviously retro revival thrash bands might not seem extreme but would it really matter if they got in? its just a poll.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
if it got in kerrang until the late 90s frobisher it might be extreme metal, frobisher. It did used to cover it.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
good point about early kerrang
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
xpost to myself
Of course Venom was the first band nominated, and if Venom is in, everything is in: Mercyful Fate, Maiden, Priest. Or you could make the argument that Venom is noisier and more aggressive than the others.
So I'm just gonna pretend like I haven't noticed anything.
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
dont really see maiden or priest or sabbath as extreme tho thats just heavy metal to me
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link
I think we just need to make a special case for Venom. But if it makes people unhappy I'll take them off
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
no way. venom were right there at the beginning of extreme metal.If you remove them you may as well take off the thrash bands!
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
tho even early terrorizer lists are lolshttp://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/terroris.htm
Terrorizer Albums Of The Year 1996
1. Type O Negative – October Rust2. Godflesh – Songs Of Love And Hate3. Neurosis – Through Silver In Blood4. Swans – Soundtracks For The Blind5. Tool – Aenima6. Samael – Passage7. Earth Crisis – Gomorrah's Season Ends8. Whitehouse – Quality Time9. Sepultura – Roots10. Blood Axis – The Gospel Of Inhumanity
The other 20 albums...
11. 16 – Drop Out12. Arch Enemy – Black Earth13. Fu Manchu – In Search Of…14. Crisis – Deathshread Extermination15. The 3rd & The Mortal – Painting On Glass16. C.O.C – Wiseblood17. Vader – De Profundis18. Cradle Of Filth – Dusk And Her Embrace19. Laibach – Jesus Christ Superstars20. Korn – Life Is Peachy21. Katatonia – Brave Murder Day22. Gehenna – Malice23. Turmoil – From Bleeding Hands24. Crowbar – Broken Glass25. Various Artists – Nordic Metal26. Bloodlet – Entheogen27. Downset – Do We Speak A Dead Language?28. Stuck Mojo – Pigwalk29. My Dying Bride – Like Gods Of The Sun30. Burzum – Filosofem
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
Deeds of Flesh - Reduced to Ashes
They get slagged as a Suffoclone but I think they homed in on one aspect of the Suffo sound, that maniacal chopping guitar thing, and developed it into something beyond even Suffocation. Sometimes I don't even understand how those guys can play in that style in that sustained way for so long. They all must have wrist deformities by now. Anyway, Reduced to Ashes is one of the meanest and most unrelenting death metal albums ever.
Also:
Nile - Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-KaNile - Black Seeds of VengeanceNile - In Their Darkened ShrinesNile - Annihilation of the Wicked
Yes I think all four are equally great and I cannot choose an objective favorite. Each album is like a heavier and more refined version of the one before, and I'd have been content if they'd only ever released just one of them. Pretty much perfect albums all. I have no idea how I'd forgotten Nile til now as they're one of my fav dm bands.
xpost yes keep Venom I was daring to delve into the nitpickiness that will be our downfall but I'm all better now
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
Nobody need vote venom,hellhammer or death ss if they dont like them but i think they should be nominated just for their trailblazing.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
the real murky territory is the death metal demos that preceded official albums by years in some cases. THAT is where the elitists shine.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
argh, please don't post lists unless you want to nominate everything on them! And if so, I'm not allowing Korn or Type-O-Negative or Arch Enemy or a lot of stuff...
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
are they allowed? Would anyone nominate/vote them?
xp
agreed on Venom (Hellhammer and Death seem to be no-brainer to me) -- I think a trickier case would be a band like Motorhead
― Dominique, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
xp yes! The greatest albums of all time were undoubtedly all on tape cassette with 300 copies made.
If you know about that stuff nominate it then, its your life.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
i wouldnt say they were extreme, hell lemmy spent their entire existence saying they're not metal!
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
i dont know shit about death metal but im glad youre allowing it
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
Jute Gyte - DiscontinuitiesJute Gyte - Vast ChainsJute Gyte - RessentimentJute Gyte - Ship of TheseusDodheimsgard - A Umbra OmegaDodheimsgard - 666 International(James Plotkin's) Atomsmasher - AtomsmasherOrthrelm - OVKayo Dot - Dowsing Anemone With Copper TongueMUTation - Error 500Menace Ruine - Venus ArmataBlut Aus Nord - 777 - CosmosophyDeathspell Omega - Fas - Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem AeternumLychgate - An Antidote for the Glass PillChrome Hoof - Crush DepthDälek - Absence (n.b. this might actually not count as it's really a hip-hop record. that sounds like an extreme metal record)The Devin Townsend Project - DeconstructionEsoteric - The Maniacal ValeThe Angelic Process - Weighing Souls With SandKoenjihyakkei - Koenji 2 / Viva Koenji!!Portal - OutréSigh - Imaginary SonicscapeSpektr - MescalyneXasthur - Subliminal GenocideXasthur - Defective EpitaphZu - Carboniferous
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
I don't think Motorhead should count fwiw xp's
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
nm about Arch Enemy btw, I confused them with a different band, they would certainly be allowed.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
why would arch enemy not be allowed? you thinking of something else like nightwish?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
hah ok
thank you imago, those are good noms. Not sure on Devin Townsend tho...
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
right, but it's a very blurry line to separate extreme metal from regular old school heavy metal, esp right around the time of Motorhead and Venom. IMO, what really turned heavy metal into extreme metal was the influence of punk, and Motorhead is front and center in that transition. Mind you, I'm not saying they are a "metal" band in the same way Metallica or Slayer is -- but then, neither is Venom, really. Both bands just had a huge hand in creating a world where Metallica and Slayer would make sense, bringing metal out of the Black Sabbath/Rainbow/Deep Purple world.
xpost
― Dominique, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
That's the only Devin Townsend album (other than SYL) I'd consider 'extreme' but you have to trust me here - it is xp
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
I'm listening to that specific album now and ok I agree.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
Yeah Deconstruction is definitely several shades into the red from the Devin stuff I mentioned earlier.
Also now that those two DHG albums are being brought up I have to add
Dodheimsgard - Kronet til KongeDodheimsgard - Monumental Possession
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link
Sorry, that Dälek album is pretty noisey, but IMO its not very metal. I don't think its going on the list...But this is tough... I dunno. I guess I'll let it slide, it is like weird industrial rap with distorted guitars so... ok.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:16 (eight years ago) link
2edgy4me
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
which melvins albums count is the tricky one for me
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:18 (eight years ago) link
and what about bands like Helmet? not really hardcore not trad metal too noise rock?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
or Prong?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
How about stuff like Naked City, which is a little bit of everything but certainly informs stuff like, say, Dillinger Escape Plan.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
But I think I'm going to veto NWOBHM & 70s heavy hard rock, I gotta draw the line somewhere.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
And like I said, I'll side on adding boderline stuff. Stuff such as Helmet and Prong, which are really more hard-driving hard rock I don't think counts, unless there's specific albums of theirs that are very metally. Standard stoner rock stuff is out though.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
some Prong stuff was quite thrashy others more industrial metal which you said was allowed
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
if its like extreme pastiche with bits of metal and other stuff I think it counts (like say, certain Mike Patton stuff).I don't think there's any Melvins album that's off limits, tbh! But they have ALOT of albums so some of them might be pretty chillax? IDK.
xp sure, specific albums and such that are extreme -- nominate them.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link
I think Prong - Beg To Differ is pretty thrashy and a classic at that. SO Im nominating it.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
ok
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
for those struggling to remember what to nominate this might help (just ignore the trad doom stuff obviously)
http://tinyurl.com/rymextreme
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link
frobisher you could let the wiki entry decide what subgenres are allowed then you can blame that if people complain :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal
http://i.imgur.com/ErnaKk0.png
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link
Not really sure you can argue with that tbh and it makes clear what counts
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
haha ok this is a new subgenre for mehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_and_Anarchist_black_metal
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
Part of a series onMarxism
― jmm, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
I think you're right CS. I'll have to allow all doom. But I'd like to remind people that pagan & viking metal that's like Nightwish or Edenbridge will be allowed! Basically any power metal that doesn't have heavy breakdowns is out.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
That's a pretty good list of genres to choose from, so I think I'll defer to wikipedia here.
Also, stuff that is "kinda doomy" or just stonery doesn't count IMO, I think it has to be exceptionally slow or sludgy or extreme in someother way like psychedelic droning.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
i am ever so glad youre running the poll and not me and you have to take the decisions
Anything less heavy than Candlemass, Trouble and Saint Vitus are out yeah? (theyre the big 3 doom metal bands obviously)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus MetallicusTrouble - Psalm 9Saint Vitus - Born Too Late
That's a good rubric. Let's go with that.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link
I'd also include Cathedral in that lineup.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
iirc candlemass didnt do very well in my all time metal poll on here years ago. only 1 album and it was outside the top 100. Dont think trouble did much better. Vitus did tho
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link
Candlemass doesn't have the hooks and grooves of Vitus or Trouble.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link
I read somewhere once that 1981 was the birth of extreme metal. If that's really the case then albums before that shouldnt count?
i know venom and death ss all formed like 77/78 but they didnt have albums out til the 80s.
Also I agree with you that the nwobhm doom bands like witchfinder general or pagan altar should count (as much as I love them)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
1981 because Venom released a single and Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax all formed perhaps?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
I think we should exclude 70s stuff unless there's a really good case to be made, otherwise we're opening up a whole other can of worms... what about the animals, what about krautrock, etc... this is not the poll for that stuff.
'81 is good unless someone has a pretty extreme album from before that date. I'm happy to use it as a cutoff.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
wtf epicus doomicus is a groove monster
― j., Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
Crown, the - Hell Is HereCrown, the - Deathrace KingDefleshed - Under the BladeDefleshed - Fast Forward
SPEED FOR SATAN
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
got them, thanks!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:01 (eight years ago) link
Ok, I finally got the list caught up, so you can now peruse it before you nominate as to avoid dupes. Thank you so much for all the nominations!!
spreadsheet:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WKuG4E8u5i4xOPvs6wq9ZPgGxkAmv1w8YEXVG9HANfI/edit?usp=sharing
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
And for clarification, I'm going by the subgenres that wikipedia says are extreme metal:
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
Wikiposeria
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
Yob - CatharsisAgalloch - Marrow Of The Spirit
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link
Skepticism - Lead and AetherSkepticism - FarmakonSkepticism - Alloy
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
Warning - Watching From A Distance
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
p soon gonna need googles to wade through the smoke in order to see the thread
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:45 (eight years ago) link
Solitude Aeturnus - Through the Darkest Hour
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link
Scald Will Of The Gods Is A Great PowerThunderstorm Witchunter Tales
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link
2 classic but sadly obscure doom metal albums. Nate C is a fan though
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 02:08 (eight years ago) link
I have a feeling I'm the only one who'd vote for most of these and some are pretty obscure but they ARE all extreme metal. Even though some of them float around being Not Metal for long stretches.
A Forest of Stars - Opportunistic Thieves of SpringArcturus - The Sham MirrorsCleric - RegressionsEhnahre - The Man Closing UpGris - À l'âme enflammée, l'âme constellée...Kayo Dot - Choirs Of The EyeKayo Dot - HubardoLiturgy - RenihilationLudicra - The TenantMamaleek - KurdaitchaMare - MareMaudlin of the Well - BathMaudlin Of The Well - Leaving Your Body MapSmohalla - RésilienceSpectral Lore - III
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 28 September 2015 10:15 (eight years ago) link
O fuck I forgot Cleric! Should have been on my list.
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 10:18 (eight years ago) link
I suppose you'll say that all of the above should have been on my list. Well sor-ry
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 10:22 (eight years ago) link
Not really, I know our tastes aren't identical!
I'm trying not to go overboard but I'll nominate the other good Mastodon albums since Remission's gone already
LeviathanBlood MountainCrack the Skye (if it counts idk)
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 28 September 2015 10:47 (eight years ago) link
Oh, and
Orthrelm - Ov
Anyone who has any doubts about it's viability has to listen to all 46 minutes and not go mad first.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 28 September 2015 10:49 (eight years ago) link
yeah I nominated that :P
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 10:55 (eight years ago) link
Demilich - NespitheDemigod - Slumber Of Sullen Eyes
― charlie h, Monday, 28 September 2015 10:56 (eight years ago) link
Listening through to the Cleric album again. Makes a mockery of most 'extreme metal'. So fucking amazing. I'm aware that 'metal taken to new levels' generally arouses the ire of the keymasters, though, so I'll just have to trust you'll follow my lead (before dismissing it as impetuous wank)
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 10:59 (eight years ago) link
Emperor - IX EquilibriumAnaal Nathrakh - When Fire Rains Down From The Sky, Mankind Will Reap As It Has Sown
― paolo, Monday, 28 September 2015 11:07 (eight years ago) link
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:57 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I totally forgot about that band
The Crown - Crowned In Terror
― paolo, Monday, 28 September 2015 11:11 (eight years ago) link
Palehorse - Gee, that ain't swell3 Stages Of Pain - With Chaos In Her Wake
― paolo, Monday, 28 September 2015 11:17 (eight years ago) link
Cult Of Luna - The Beyond
(if we can have Isis and Neurosis we can have CoL imo)
Through Silver In Blood is probably my favourite metal album of all time but I probably won't vote for it here. It's utterly classic but I wouldn't really call it extreme. If anything it sounds quite ancient and fundamental - an album that lies very centrally within what metal is.
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 11:23 (eight years ago) link
Gorguts - ObscuraBolt Thrower - Those Once Loyal
― charlie h, Monday, 28 September 2015 11:30 (eight years ago) link
I need to hear that Cleric album. (The guitarist is in John Zorn's new trio Simulacrum, which I would nominate but it wouldn't get any votes.)
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 28 September 2015 12:51 (eight years ago) link
Ah, you know what? Fuck it.
Naked City - Torture GardenNaked City - Leng T'ChePainkiller - Guts of a VirginPainkiller - Buried Secrets (features members of Godflesh!)John Zorn - Moonchild: Songs Without WordsJohn Zorn - SimulacrumJohn Zorn - The True Discovery of Witches and DevilsJohn Zorn - Inferno
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 28 September 2015 12:52 (eight years ago) link
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust
I have a question about Nihilist. Legendary band from Sweden that became Entombed, and their demos were huge influences for not only the Swedish death metal scene, but due to tape trading, made waves pretty much everywhere that extreme metal was happening. However, they never released a full length record, only demos. They have an amazing comp of these demos called 1987-1989. Is that eligible?
― Dominique, Monday, 28 September 2015 13:14 (eight years ago) link
I think I need to try Zorn's metal stuff again. I've been trying to get into Electric Masada recently but I'm finding it quite difficult (I struggle with jazz in general). I have one of the Moonchild albums somewhere but I rarely listen to it. Too much screeching from Zorn and Patton.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 28 September 2015 13:14 (eight years ago) link
imago seems to be one of those who dismisses not only original metal but also original extreme metal.
Metal did not start with death or black metal.
the neurosis/insert any band here arent extreme stuff is for the 16 year olds just into metal bullshit
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, but it's 2015 now
Anyway, enough. It's all extreme by some standard. Carry on
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
I would argue that Neurosis are plenty extreme but as a mostly post-hardcore band, not very metal.
― Siegbran, Monday, 28 September 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
i don't think Neurosis strictly like being referred to as metal, but it's very heavy stuff regardless.
― charlie h, Monday, 28 September 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link
and goths deny they're goths. lol
imago what has 2015 got to do with anything? its a poll for best extreme metal albums. Its more or less been decided extreme metal started around 1980/81 so what if things have gotten more extreme since?
The history of metal is very important to metallers especially as outsiders despised it and wouldn't allow it in their own canon.
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
I cant remember if this is the article I referred to earlier or not but if not its another that says 1981https://twophoton.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/history-of-extreme-metal-part-1-1981-1984/
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
https://twophoton.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/history-of-extreme-metal-part-ii-dawn-of-death-metal-1985-88/
https://twophoton.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/history-of-extreme-metal-part-iii-golden-age-of-thrash-1985-89/
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
http://loudwire.com/top-extreme-metal-albums/
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
...anyway, unless there's a no comp rule, I say Nihilist goes in
Nihilist - 1987-1989
― Dominique, Monday, 28 September 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
I think frobisher said pre album tape demos are allowed so presumably that is allowed?
if so then I nominate the Paul Chain era Death SS
The Story of Death SS. 1977–1984
that's the roots of Hellhammer right there I reckon tom g mustve been aware of them
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
Hey everyone! I have some things to take care of today so I'll be away for a number of hours...
Yes, early unreleased/demo stuff is allowed, just note that as a lot of people won't have heard it, it might not garner a lot of votes.
I hate to say this cause I think it sounds elitist, but I don't think taking a sort of outside/empirical view and attempting to develop a really objective standard for extreme metal is productive or beneficial. I think if you've been into metal for years, having a degree of breadth and depth to it, knowing the woof and warp of it sort of intuitively is a better way of sorting things out.
Of course this poll is not just for die-hard metal fans who have listened for years & years so if you like something and you think its metal or highly related to metal and is ~extreme~ to you then go ahead and nominate it.
― Frobisher, Monday, 28 September 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link
cool, thanks. Yeah, tho the Nihilist comp is demos, IMO it's as good or better than any other DM around at the time (and particularly relevant for new school revivalist bands playing OSDM). Seriously, if you haven't heard it folks, hear it!
― Dominique, Monday, 28 September 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
Do these count?
Earth - Earth 2Sunn O))) - Black OneMelvins - HoudiniPoison - Into the AbyssMinistry - ΚΕΦΑΛΗΞΘ [Psalm 69]Warning - Warning
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 28 September 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
yes those count
― Frobisher, Monday, 28 September 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
At what point do Opeth albums become disqualified as not metal?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
When Mikael Akerfeldt says they're not a metal band anymore - so, basically, Heritage and Pale Communion.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 28 September 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link
Gojira - From Mars to Sirius
― BlackIronPrison, Monday, 28 September 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
cheers phil
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
have we got all the important death, black and thrash albums nominated?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
Atheist - Piece of TimeAtheist - Unquestionable Presence
― jmm, Monday, 28 September 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
if we have extra spaces on our ballots it's okay to vote for all the deafheaven albums twice right
― j., Monday, 28 September 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
PornograffitiIII Sides to Every Story
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 September 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
and the second person to make the joke award goes to..
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
OK two more then I'm probably done
Code - Nouveau GloamingVirus - The Black Flux
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
Boris - at Last -Feedbacker-Melvins - Lysol Jesu - JesuNadja - Touched Boris - Amplifier WorshipSunn O))) - ØØ Void Sunn O))) - 3: Flight of the Behemoth Gnaw Their Tongues - An Epiphanic Vomiting of Blood Monarch - 666
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
Vlad Tepes/Belketre - March to the Black HolocaustCarnage - Dark RecollectionsMayhem - Live in LeipzigPaysage d'Hiver - s/tGorgoroth - Antichrist
― Dominique, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
Merciless - The Awakening
― Dominique, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
O if we're nominating Bèlketre then surely Ambre Zuèrkl Vuorhdrévarvtre must be in there (cheers Dominique for the heads-up on that)
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link
Solstafir - Svartir SandarSolstafir - Otta
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
Aren't they a post-rock band?
Everything is extreme
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
post black metal if you really must use such terms
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
you dont need to vote for anything you dont consider extreme
infact will you even vote?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
course I'm going to vote :)
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 28 September 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, September 28, 2015 2:56 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ooooh wow, I wasn't prepared for this...wow...sorry let me look at my notes. Well, first off I've got to thank Frobisher for starting this thread -- I couldn't have made it without you! Thanks for giving me a shot, I know there were a lot of established metalheads who wanted to be the second person to make this joke, so your faith in me is something I'll always remember...
wow...I'm sorry, there are just so many people to thank...I need to thank Cosmic Slop, you've always been my rock, my inspiration though the years....and most importantly my wife and daughter...this joke and all my jokes wouldn't be possible without your love and support.
Thanks everyone!
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 September 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
I'm not a metal expert by any stretch but I'm interpreting the poll as "the best albums that come under the umbrella term of 'extreme metal'" rather than "the most extreme albums that are metal". I mean I'm sure everyone's ballot will have some stuff on it that's not extreme as some of the other stuff they're voting for. Also there are many ways metal can be extreme!
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 28 September 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
imago's just butthurt frobisher vetoed a hip-hop album
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 21:07 (eight years ago) link
has anyone done a spotify playlist?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 21:26 (eight years ago) link
Only one Bolt Thrower nominated?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
two right?
― Siegbran, Monday, 28 September 2015 22:16 (eight years ago) link
So is extreme metal quite literally everything except for proto metal/hard rock, NWOBHM, hair metal and nu-metal?
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 September 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link
for this poll its whatever frobisher decides it is
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:29 (eight years ago) link
That's not meant to be judgmental just sort of wondering if in context of metal idea of extremity has lost all meaning. At one time extreme metal was an antidote to something (or at least outside of some mainstream). Looking at this list and it seems like this is just metal's last two decades....
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 September 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link
well, its not like there isnt lots of non-extreme metal. The fact some of us don't listen to it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. the biggest 'metal' of the last 20 years has probably been alternative metal or nu-metal.
But obviously extreme metal is a very wide vague term now and frobisher's rules acknowledge that.
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:40 (eight years ago) link
I'm not sure but when he signed up 2 years ago to do this poll on the Ballot Poll Order Thread I think it was in response to grady saying he wanted to do a hard rock/hair metal thread
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:47 (eight years ago) link
*poll
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:48 (eight years ago) link
I didn't even veto the Dalek album. I am a benevolent dictator!
Alex if you have a good working definition of extreme metal you are free to enlighten us.(xp no Grady's was in response to mine)
― Frobisher, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:50 (eight years ago) link
was it? I thought he was ahead of you in the queue but just unable to run it just now
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
Ok, I'm not sure now... who knows... its somewhere on that huge thread two years ago. They were thought up basically at the same time though.
― Frobisher, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
I'll be working on adding the nominations from today so far, thanks for all the interest everybody! I think its going really well.
― Frobisher, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:55 (eight years ago) link
Alex if you have a good working definition of extreme metal you are free to enlighten us. --Frobisher
I don't at all! I'm actually wondering if the term is even relevant now!
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 September 2015 23:56 (eight years ago) link
It probably isn't since metal has split into thousands of microgenres but its a good umbrella term for the purposes of frobisher's poll.
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link
It's definitely more catchy than metal 1981-2015 that does not include X, Y and Z I'll give you that.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 00:03 (eight years ago) link
Soilent Green - Sewn Mouth SecretsBurnt by the Sun - Soundtrack to the Personal RevolutionPig Destroyer - TerrifyerNecrophagist - Onset of PutrefactionNasum - HelveteRotten Sound - ExitScorn - Vae SolisNoothgrush - Erode the PersonCephalic Carnage - AnomaliesBrain Drill - Apocalyptic FeastingIon Dissonance - SolacePsyopus - Our Puzzling Encounters ConsideredEphel Duath - The Painter's PaletteBlotted Science - The Machinations of Dementia
― cock chirea, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 00:37 (eight years ago) link
Awesome. I forgot about a lot of that Relapse stuff. One of many things I miss about regularly shopping at music stores is being able to see Relapse titles at a glace thanks to that little card over the top of the CD -- and in those days there was a good chance it would be something cool.
For all I know the label is still kicking ass; I never think to check the "bigger" label sites anymore, esp for news. I think I should do that right now!
― Devilock, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 00:50 (eight years ago) link
xps Sorry Alex, I didn't mean to be testy. I'm just trying to be very unbiased and that means I am letting people include things that may not be completely extreme or completely metal. Although I think you might be right that the 'extreme' sub-genres have pretty much become the main focus of metal in general. OTOH Limp Bizkit released a new album this year.
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 00:53 (eight years ago) link
Alright so I have the sheet up to date! We currently have 424 nominated albums! Thank you so much for your participation!
List: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WKuG4E8u5i4xOPvs6wq9ZPgGxkAmv1w8YEXVG9HANfI/edit?usp=sharing
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link
Relapse is still a very good label.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 01:55 (eight years ago) link
Possibly not an extreme one though hah.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 01:56 (eight years ago) link
Amorphis - Tales From The Thousand Lakes
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 08:21 (eight years ago) link
Annihilator - Alice in HellBlut aus Nord - 777 - The DesanctificationDark Angel - Darkness DescendsThe Great Old Ones - TEKELI-LINeurosis - Times of GracePortal - Vexovoid
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 08:26 (eight years ago) link
Although I think you might be right that the 'extreme' sub-genres have pretty much become the main focus of metal in general.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 08:26 (eight years ago) link
Dissection - The SomberlainDestroyer 666 - Unchain The WolvesOld Man's Child - The Pagan ProsperityWindir - ArntorAmesoeurs - Ruines HumainesAmesouers - AmesouersAluk Todolo - Occult RockCobalt - GinNecrophobic - The Nocturnal SilenceNile - In Their Darkened Shrines
― charlie h, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 09:20 (eight years ago) link
I thought half of prog metal was some form of extreme metal?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 12:31 (eight years ago) link
the 'extreme' sub-genres have pretty much become the main focus of metal in general on social media and metal websites
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 12:41 (eight years ago) link
Krallice - Dimensional Bleedthrough
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 13:13 (eight years ago) link
Kerrang doesnt cover extreme metal and whatever they cover sells shitloads
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link
Hey guys! It looks like nominations are dying down, although there's things I can think of that haven't gotten nommed yet... Anyway, I am suddeenly dealing with a thing that will take a lot of my time over the next few days. So you are free to keep nominating, I believe Cosmic Slop volunteered to help update the list, so you're free to do that if you want CS. Thanks everybody I think we're gonna end up with a great poll! Especially if everyone who's been nominating also votes!
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
I did?
OK, I'll keep an eye on it by adding stuff/keeping up to date but im not deciding what counts as extreme metal!
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
just to help the Bathory album count compete with the Krallice album count:Bathory - s/tBathory - The Return
also:Aura Noir - Black Thrash AttackDarkspace - IIIGrotesque - In the Embrace of EvilHellwitch - Syzygial MiscreancyIsengard - VinterskuggeMeshuggah - Catch 33Nifelheim - Servants of DarknessNirvana 2002 - Recordings 89-91Thanatos - Emerging from the Netherworlds
― Dominique, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
O damn, I forgot about Darkspace III as well!
― twunty fifteen (imago), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
wtf is Nirvana 2002, I assume its not regular Nirvana?
Ok here's some noms from me:
Agalloch - From Which of This OakAgoraphobic Nosebleed - Frozen Corpse Stuffed with DopeCatacombs - In the Depths of R'lyehColdWorld - Melancholie²Electric Wizard - Come My Fanatics...Eyehategod - Take as Needed for PainI Shalt Become - WanderingsLifelover - KonkursLife is Pain - Bloody MelancholyMonster Magnet - 25... Tab (their only album I'd qualify as extreme)Macabre - Sinister SlaughterTotalselfhatred - Totalselfhatred
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
add your own!
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
The formatting you have is weird.I usually just use 1 column with Artist - Album so I can copy & paste from here directly.Cant do that the way its set up.
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
Nirvana 2002 was a great Swedish death metal band, contemporaries of Entombed, Dismember, etc. They never released a proper record, but fans of that style love them (and their singer Orvar Säfström was briefly in Entombed).
― Dominique, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
and yeah, they were forced to change their name once another, lesser band came along
― Dominique, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link
xp I know I messed up at the start, I realized too late that I should have just had one column. Don't know if its worth fixing at this point. But don't worry about it, I'll add the nominations myself in a little bit here.
Thanks Dom, surprised I've never heard of them!
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
If you work out a way to fix it then im happy to add ppls noms!
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
and i couldnt figure out to to get them in the a-z order either as you have the headings.
its not easy running polls is it? :)
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:39 (eight years ago) link
unfortunately, no it is not.
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
Ok I found an easy way to do it, and now we have a one-column list! This should be much easier to deal with.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WKuG4E8u5i4xOPvs6wq9ZPgGxkAmv1w8YEXVG9HANfI/edit?usp=sharing
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link
when do we starting voting on who's allowed to vote in the poll
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link
you want to ban l0u1s jagg3r?
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
NO BRONIES ALLOWED
i just thought we need to vet everybody's Tr00 Quotient
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link
Kvist - For kunsten maa vi evig vike
(I was just reading a thread on one-album wonders and I have no idea how I forgot this one)
I feel like there are some holes in these nominations but I'm not at all qualified to fill em. Like some of the black metal of the non-Scandinavian variety, say Master's Hammer, Mortuary Drape, the S American stuff. And bdm like Defeated Sanity or Katalepsy, which I hear a lot about but never actually listen to. We need ... emissaries or something.
Oh
Melechesh - Sphynx (I can't decide between the following three albums; they're all great though)
― Devilock, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link
that's you out HSB then!
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link
Lykathea Aflame - Elvenefris
I thought this had been nommed already. Not so, it turns out.
― Devilock, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 00:04 (eight years ago) link
yeah the problem I have = I feel like I've been cramming metal into all of my orifices for over half of my adult life and then I see people posting enthusiastically on these threads about some other classic albums that I not only haven't heard but haven't heard OF and I'm like how do I catch up to the metal. how.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
with your ears!
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 01:05 (eight years ago) link
...and eyes. I have read a shitload about metal in the past 3 years, via the internet, but also the Slayer Mag anthology, D. Ekeroth's Swedish death metal book, D. Patterson's black metal book, Fenriz's band of the week. Hell, I found 3 amazing bands today just from reading a death/thrash list at RYM.
― Dominique, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 01:19 (eight years ago) link
Oh I mean I get that, I subscribe to Decibel, and often fish for obscure acts on metal-archives.com. Just find I have less and less time to devote to giving it all meaningful listens!
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link
How did you get on withYOU TOTALLY MISSED THE ILX HEAVY ROCK/METAL ALBUM POLL COUNTDOWN, SUCKA (CLICK FOR A RECAP)
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
Did Josh Homme take the thread out for drinks prior to that vote?
― Devilock, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 02:31 (eight years ago) link
Also, re: the current poll, poor Gothenburg. No At the Gates, no Dark Tranquillity, no In Flames.
― Devilock, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 02:37 (eight years ago) link
add them then! Frobisher said there's no limits to how much you can nominate
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 02:40 (eight years ago) link
I'm looking at this poll more as a list of personal favorites than a document of historical significance. Even of the best works by the bands I mentioned, I rarely make it through an entire album. Slaughter of the Soul just kind of wears me out by the time I'm like 6 songs into it. Unfortunate because a lot of those riffs rule; that recurring humppa beat drags everything down.
― Devilock, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 03:21 (eight years ago) link
At The Gates - Slaughter of the SoulCave In - Until Your Heart StopsKatatonia - Dance of December SoulsObituary - Cause of DeathMorbid Angel - Gateways to AnnihilationCeltic Frost - Into the PandemoniumKronos - Colossal Titan StrifeSacrifice - Forward to TerminationRazor - Shotgun Justice
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 05:11 (eight years ago) link
thing with the gothenburg stuff, sacramentum and dissection are clearly the best in that style, i don't see much need to nominate a bunch of 2nd tier stuff that i will never vote for anyway.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 06:13 (eight years ago) link
Abigor - Nachthymnen (From the Twilight Kingdom)Abigor - Channeling the Quintessence of SatanCultes des Ghoules - HenbaneGorgoroth - Incipit SatanOverkill - The Years of DecaySepticflesh - Sumerian DemonsTiamat - WildhoneyVesania - God the Lux
Tempted to already put the new Mgla on there; it's just as amazing as the last one.
― Devilock, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 09:23 (eight years ago) link
Forgot one of my favourites from last year:
Nightbringer - Ego Dominus Tuus
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link
Don't the later Judas Priest albums qualify?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
Ahab - The Call of the Wretched Sea
― Dominique, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
Celtic Frost - MonotheistEyehategod - DopesickEyehategod - Confederacy of Ruined LivesGorguts - From Wisdom to HateTriptykon - Eparistera DaimonesWatchtower - Control and Resistance
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
mostly that's filling out a few discographies but i was sorta surprised watchtower hadn't been nominated
sorry I was away, was taking my dog to the vet. I'm getting these noms added now.
No.
― Frobisher, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
This is due to following the genre family tree more than anything? Painkiller is definitely extreme and Jedi is not if we're going by the sound alone.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
Jesu not Jedi.
I'd say Painkiller counts myself but its frobishers poll and he needs to draw the line somewhere
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link
I'm not too fussed. Just clarifying that if older bands do make something genuinely extreme that will it count or not. Some of the solo Halford stuff I'd heard sounds like full blown extreme metal to me.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
xxps well, neither is High on Fire or really a lot of 1st gen thrash, or Mastadon, but its on there... look this is tough, and I know a lot of stuff on it already doesn't make any sense, but you don't have to vote for it. I don't even like Jesu, lol, I'm trying to bend over backwards to not make this poll about what I think and rather about what ILM thinks instead.
I'm just trying to keep out Priest/Maiden/Sabbath as they would dominate the poll and are not in the spirit of this poll even if they "were extreme at the time" or have an album that still holds up as fairly blistering.
― Frobisher, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
uh the first jesu album is hella extreme imo but i'm not the one to argue this point lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
Sorry, I assumed everything else was as soft as Conqueror and Silver.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0PYwPMnUCM
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link
If this is in then Nadja has to be in as well and I don't think it should.
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link
why not Nadja?
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 21:44 (eight years ago) link
Nadja - Touched has already been nominated. Should it be taken off? If you guys think we should take some things off, look through the list and suggest them, we can debate them. I'm open to whatever!
― Frobisher, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 21:44 (eight years ago) link
No way should it be removed!
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
I loooove the first Jesu album but I didn't nominate it coz I'm unsure how extreme it is
But I guess a track like Sun Day basically turns dreampop into metal and vice versa better than anyone else has ever done (inc. alcest) so maybe that's extreme idk
― twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 1 October 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link
i think it's extreme bc it really successfully creates this harrowing and uncanny atmosphere through which both dreampop and industrial scrapes sound equally sinister, that's fuckin extreme 2 me
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 October 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link
i would not nominate the later jesu records
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 October 2015 00:08 (eight years ago) link
arguably Jugulator for JP was kind of "extreme" but it's also a humongous pile of donkey shit so
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 1 October 2015 00:15 (eight years ago) link
striborg: Autumnal Melancholystriborg: Black Desolate Winter / Depressive Hibernationstriborg: Embittered Darkness / Isle De Mortsstriborg: Ghostwoodlandsstriborg: Mysterious Semblancestriborg: Nefaria / A Tragic Journey Towards The Lightstriborg: Nocturnal Emissions / Nyctophobiastriborg: Spiritual Catharsisstriborg: Southwest Passagestriborg: Solitudestriborg: The Foreboding Silencestriborg: Trepidationnuclear assault: game overnecronomitron: s/tGLUTTONY: Collapse Of The Roman RepublicSHEVALREQ: Siege Of AlbracaSHEVALREQ: Tournament At ConstantinopleTHURSAR: Journey To JotunheimXYNFONICA: A Feast For Famished Ravensnecrofrost: Bloodstorms Voktes Over Hytrunghas Dunkle NecrotronerVirus: carheartREHTAF RUO: Boiled In Goat Bloodbenighted leams: ferly centesmsfaxed head: chiropracticvorak: triumph of the willocrilim / octis: mentmeshuggah: Imeshuggah: chaospheremelvins: stagyoung gods: l'eau rougeLUGUBRUM: Albino De CongoLUGUBRUM: Bruyne TroonLUGUBRUM: De TotemLUGUBRUM: De Vette CueckeLUGUBRUM: De Ware HondLUGUBRUM: Heilige Dwazenbenighted leams : caliginouf romantic mythwold: l.o.t.m.p.KHANATE: Capture & ReleaseKHANATE: Things Viralfredrik thordendal's special defects: sol niger within
― massaman gai, Thursday, 1 October 2015 06:50 (eight years ago) link
portal: seepiaportal: swarthportal: vexovoid
― massaman gai, Thursday, 1 October 2015 07:05 (eight years ago) link
Wow there's some real outsider stuff on that list massaman gai. Never thought I would have seen fucking Vorak mentioned outside the wastes of RYM. Love Lugubrum though, I totally forgot about them
― ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 1 October 2015 13:49 (eight years ago) link
Arckanum - ÞÞÞÞÞÞÞÞÞÞÞ
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
is that a real album title? that's nuts!
― Frobisher, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link
:-Þ
― twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
ew that looks wrong
D{-:Þ
― twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:43 (eight years ago) link
Vehemence - God Was CreatedSummoning - StrongholdWormphlegm - Tomb of the Ancient KingBolt Thrower - The IVth CrusadeImmortal - Battles in the NorthHorna - Envaatnags Eflos Solf EsgantaavnePeste Noire - Ballade cuntre lo Anemi francor
― mozart, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
Thank you! I will get all these added a little later!
― Frobisher, Thursday, 1 October 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link
― Devilock, Saturday, September 26, 2015 10:05 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Thanks for saying this, I had always avoided Satyricon, but god damn this is an amazing album Forhekset -> Du som hater Gud is particularly amazing.
― kruezer2, Friday, 2 October 2015 02:29 (eight years ago) link
Yeah - no idea how it's pronounced though...
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 2 October 2015 05:46 (eight years ago) link
oh and:jazkamer: metal music machineVondur: Striðsyfirlýsing
― massaman gai, Friday, 2 October 2015 07:26 (eight years ago) link
Þ is pronounced 'th' and presumably the album is titled that way because all 11 song names start with this letter.
Has nothing on this band though, which is positively Google-proof.
― Siegbran, Friday, 2 October 2015 09:07 (eight years ago) link
Ah right, I'd noticed that about the song titles but was still none the wiser about the pronunciation. You learn something new every etc.
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 2 October 2015 10:42 (eight years ago) link
Metal writer: So what's the new album called.Arckanum dude: [pronounces album title]Metal writer: [wipes face]
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 2 October 2015 12:52 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzC1Dn0gqgE
― jmm, Friday, 2 October 2015 13:05 (eight years ago) link
Satyricon gets dumped on for reasons beyond my comprehension.
― Siegbran, Friday, 2 October 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
*sigh* can't not nominate this, even though it's totally obscure and didn't influence anyone
Protected Illusion - Festering Fairytales
I found it looking for death/thrash like Sadus, and in all honesty, it outdoes that. It's like you took a crust/grind band from 2015 and transported them back to 1990 and said "make a thrash record, but don't let anyone onto the fact you're from the future." Incredibly precise, proggy and brutal, and I can't believe they weren't huge.
― Dominique, Saturday, 3 October 2015 02:43 (eight years ago) link
Monstrosity - Spiritual Awakening
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 3 October 2015 03:17 (eight years ago) link
Err...SPIRITUAL APOCALYPSE
inspired by seeing them last night and they were great!
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 3 October 2015 12:40 (eight years ago) link
I meant to nominate
Liturgy - Aesthetica
instead of Renihilation but why not both.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 October 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
In fact I'm going to dump some last minute noms because even though nobody will vote for them probably, perhaps some madman will weed through the entire list at some point. I might do that myself, since I've never got round to actually listening to most of the canonical important stuff...
Going to include some Black Twilight Circle because it would be a shame if they were left out
!T.O.O.H.! - Pod vládou biče!T.O.O.H.! - Rad A TrestAshdautas - Where The Sun Is Silent...Averse - The Endesque ChantsDuobetic Homunkulus - Ani já ani ty robit něbudzeme, šedněme do koča, vozit še budzemeKuxan Suum - Kinich AhauMorbus Chron - SwevenMuknal - MuknalVolahn - A'ab'alYellow Eyes - Hammer Of Night
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 October 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link
That should be "Aq'ab'al" by Volahn
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 October 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
Fantômas - Suspended Anisusmation
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link
anyone got anything left to nominate? Frobisher hasn't said they've closed yet
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
― Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:29 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
What? "Animation" that is
― ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
Creepiest autocorrect ever.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
I actually have no idea what happened there. Probably more to do with the fact I'm terrible at typing.
OK 1 more
Oranssi Pazuzu - Kosmomonument
― ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
Krallice - Ygg HuurPanopticon - Roads to the NorthAlcest - Le Secret (EP)Deafheaven - New BermudaObliveon - NemesisAngel Hair - Pregnant with the Senior Class (does this count?)Nachtmystium - Assassins: Black Meddle, pt 1Corrupted - Garten der UnbewusstheitSpektr - Near Death ExperienceAmbergris - Ambergris (EP)Stara Rzeka - Cień chmury nad ukrytym polem
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
bit early for 2015 albums just out a week to be called a classic surely?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
I don't see the word "classic" anywhere in the OP.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
That Stara Rzeka album is great. Not sure how metal it is but I'll probably have to vote for it.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 4 October 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, Frobisher is free to DQ that, or anything. If it had BM or DM vocals anywhere on it, I thought it was fair to throw out there.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 4 October 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
i just mean that ppl prob wont vote for it
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 4 October 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link
I was nominating albums that I might consider voting for, not predicting how other people will vote.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 4 October 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link
Carcass - Surgical SteelTribulation - The Formulas of DeathTribulation - The Children of the NightObsequiae - Aria of Vernal Tombs
― jmm, Sunday, 4 October 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
Hail Spirit Noir - Oi MagoiHowls of Ebb - Vigils of the 3rd EyeOpeth - Ghost Reveries
― o. nate, Monday, 5 October 2015 00:50 (eight years ago) link
Meh, 2015 albums are fine! Especially if you think they're really good and will stand the test of time. Sorry I haven't been around much, I have been preoccupied with things at home! I will leave nominations open throughout tonight and finish this thread up tomorrow morning, or whenever I wake up. Sound good? So, last call, everyone! Get em' in now if you have noms left!
― Frobisher, Monday, 5 October 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link
a couple more...
Assück - AnticapitalCathedral - Forest of EquilibriumDemolition Hammer - Tortured ExistenceIndian - From All PurityKriegsmaschine - Enemy Of ManMgla - Exercises in FutilitySkepticism - Aes
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 5 October 2015 05:17 (eight years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_metal
This doesn't sound like a real subgenre at all.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 5 October 2015 07:00 (eight years ago) link
I've been weighing this one up - if it is metal, it's certainly extreme, as it's done with synths and vocoder, but fuck it
O.L.D. - Formula
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 5 October 2015 11:33 (eight years ago) link
Having added that I'd be compelled to add Ulver - Blood Inside, another of my favourite extreme albums but unclear of status. Frobisher, clear this up!
― twunty fifteen (imago), Monday, 5 October 2015 11:34 (eight years ago) link
Same here.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 5 October 2015 11:39 (eight years ago) link
Bathory - HammerheartMaster - On the Seventh Day God Created ... MasterMassacre - From BeyondNailbomb - Point BlankDeceased - As the Weird Travel OnToxic Holocaust - Chemistry of ConsciousnessThe Haunted - s/t
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 5 October 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
silentist - s/tsilentist - nightingalessilentist - chariot swingsilentist - house on the hill
― massaman gai, Monday, 5 October 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
Ancient - Mad Grandiose BloodfiendsNunslaughter - Angelic DreadBrujeria - Matando GüerosMortician - Chainsaw DismembermentBongzilla - GatewayVarious Artists - Gummo OST
― billstevejim, Monday, 5 October 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
OK thank you bill. The noms are a wrap, thank you everyone! Not sure when to begin the voting thread, perhaps tonight? Does anyone care?
― Frobisher, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
oh I think plenty care since plenty nominated!
How long are you setting the voting period for?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
25 minutes
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 5 October 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
Dang, forgot to nominate the Kvelertak debut. Oh well...
― o. nate, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 01:40 (eight years ago) link
So is there going to be voting for this poll?
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 13:12 (eight years ago) link
Amazing user name^
― mozart, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
Thanks, I'm new here.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link
not sure all my noms are on the list yet?
The Somberlain, for one, is conspicuously absent.
― charlie h, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 06:57 (eight years ago) link
DIEBOLD
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 13:39 (eight years ago) link
The poll was a ruse, Frobisher just wanted a laugh at our horrible tastes
― ultros ultros-ghali, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
frobisher took the poll money and went to rio
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
lol, sorry guys this has been a particularly busy week for me... also I'm not sure I know how to tabulate results! I'll try to get the voting thread up this weekend and have a google form thing set up to e-mail your ballots. I'll probably have a 50-album ballot max, 5 min, open for two weeks. Hold in there, I promise this isn't the comic strip poll all over again!
― Frobisher, Friday, 9 October 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
motherfuckit I am listening to At the Gates' The Red Sky Is Ours, and realizing that yeah this is definitely classic. Too late to nom?
― Dominique, Monday, 12 October 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Also: Slaughter - Strappado!
― Sebastian (Royal Mermaid Mover), Monday, 12 October 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
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― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 12 October 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
I am way more familiar with the first one (which I love and will vote for whenever this poll happens), but listening to the excellent second one today, and love it. So thick, almost doomy, and a rare example of understated (yet outstanding) drumming in a death metal record. Great riffs, great mood, great production.
― Dominique, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
Ok guys this time I swear I'm getting off my ass and starting the voting thread, ok!
― Frobisher, Monday, 19 October 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
Ok, It's finally up - your chance to vote!
The thread is here: The ILM Extreme Metal Poll Voting, Discussion and Campaigning Thread
― Frobisher, Monday, 19 October 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link