Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

@alivitali: NEW Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.

this is getting less funny

this guy is thriving on treating wasp's nests like piñatas
would love it if abortion is the hill he dies on

def looking to get a couple hundred Democratic votes

is there anyone that respects women more than trump does?

barbers

oh wait I misread your post

welp I'm done

this is blatant attention-pandering, daring people to get outraged and share his comments with other outraged people, thereby spreading his poisonous message. I'm not doing it anymore.

i think i'm up to 40% now on his not being nominated

i'm not sure that he meant to bring it up, though - it almost seems like he just never thought through the implications of his position that abortion should be banned (imagine that!).

In an exclusive interview with MSNBC's Chris Matthews, the GOP front-runner described himself multiple times as "pro-life" but struggled to define what the legal ramifications of that position should be. When continually pressed for what the answer is regarding punishing women who would break any theoretical ban, Trump said the "answer is that there has to be some form of punishment, yeah."

When asked what kind of punishment he had in mind, Trump lacked specifics and said he has "not determined what the punishment would be." Trump noted that he does "take positions on everything else but this is a very complicated position."

"If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law," Matthews stated, making the pivot from the moral position of being pro-life to the practical implications of implementing that position in the law.

Wow.

Just when you think he can't say something even more insane, he says something even more insane.

his numbers are starting to slip both in the polls and the betting markets. he still might be the 'most likely' candidate but the odds of a brokered convention aren't so long shot anymore and he's in a double digit deficit in the latest Wisconsin poll.

no way he's losing NYC, but chances of Cruz stealing CA are fairly high, Maryland is def winnable by Cruz, and PA is only Trump-led because Kasich is getting an absurd amount of votes. Given that he can't get a majority prior to convention time, if he were to tell his voters to vote for Cruz similar to the whole Ohio campaign he benefitted from, that could flip PA.

I don't see how Trump is gonna get the majority of delegates needed by convention time. Perhaps his numbers aren't hurting like they should be (or anywhere near), but he's definitely sinking and the states coming up aren't going to be easy for him. I really think this is going to be a contested convention, even if he does win on first or second ballot.

part of me does worry about the latter only because of the long shot Paul Ryan drafted at convention theories, because he could fare way better than his partners in a GE

but would Cruz say anything different? xxp

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/03/30/Limbo_Champ_Reaches_New_Low_By_Limboing_Under_SUV_(VIDEO).html

i'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but his pattern of consistently upping the ante helps him in some ways because it makes people forget about all the other stupid stuff he believes in. it's difficult to try to remember his most recent 10 terrible things he's done, and that's just the tip of the iceberg for him.

xxpost Cruz is much more horrible on a policy side but almost equally unelectable, and moreso, doesn't carry the gross goon tactics that Trump's campaign does.

if he had a chance at winning, I might rethink my wishes

meanwhile...

Matt Karp
‏@karpmj
A little bit of data for Michael Tomasky and others who say Bernie Sanders voters are in a "privileged" position

https://twitter.com/karpmj/status/714800486617055232

also, when he raises the bar for terribleness, it helps to mask other things he says that previously would have caused headlines around the world. for example, in the town hall last night, anderson asked him if he trusted Muslims. he answered "...most of them." a few months ago that would have been big news, now it wasn't even mentioned, at least nowhere that i saw.

Paul Ryan would not won a general election. There aren't 100 million Joe Scarboroughs in the country.

Xxxpost

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-bernie-inspired-candidate-for-senate-in-pennsylvania/

love the juxtaposition of this guy's look and his political beliefs

i love him. i'm probably hosting a debate party for him next tuesday (which i've never done before but i don't know what else to do and i'm hoping they'll give me a street sign to put up)

his campaign ad is worth watching imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i85rJR99FJc

I just have to wonder, where's the tipping point where Trump starts to seriously lose supporters? I feel like he could say "I think parents should murder all of their children" and a lot of people would still be onboard.

He could probably say anything he wants as long as it doesn't sound wimpy.

He kinda already has? I mean I don't think there's anything he can say that will cause him to lose every remaining state, but there are states he arguably lost in recently like Ohio that earlier in the race, he was doing well in, and he may lose some states in coming weeks that he previously was on target to win.

I think we've also overestimated his actual popularity. We've barely had any primaries since Rubio dropped out, and it already seems to have made some significant shifts in polls (including Wisconsin).

problem is, it could be too little, too late, but the idea of a brokered convention seemed remote not that long ago and now is becoming more and more likely.

He could probably say anything he wants as long as it doesn't sound wimpy.

Every time you think this fucking moron couldn't sink any lower he just keeps plummeting to new depths.

I just have to wonder, where's the tipping point

I'm convinced there isn't one. He's already insulted Mexicans, Muslims, McCain, Megyn (maybe he just hates the letter M), and it makes no difference. Callers on CSPAN I've heard who support him do so because they think he's a successful businessman, not a career politician, just a plain-spoken guy who loves America. THat "plain-spoken" thing comes up a bunch, they actually love that he has no filter.

What he's expressing here is of course the logical consequence of asserting personhood of foetuses. Cruz etc are too canny to say it but I'm sure they agree.

Is there an anti-abortion/pro-life position that does not involve punishing women who have abortions? Or is the shocking part that he doesn't seem to have thought through what the punishment would be?

>i'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but his pattern of consistently upping the ante helps him in some ways because it makes people forget about all the other stupid stuff he believes in. it's difficult to try to remember his most recent 10 terrible things he's done, and that's just the tip of the iceberg for him.

this was the exact same pattern as the previous, notorious, crack-smoking mayor of my hometown.

There are quite a few countries that make providing abortions illegal but don't have functional criminal sanctions against the woman but punishment is fairly common too. Xp

He's already insulted Mexicans, Muslims, McCain, Megyn (maybe he just hates the letter M), and it makes no difference.

Just wait'll he goes after Morbius...

@Bencjacobs
Donald Trump fully retreats on punishing women who get abortions

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce0wtFkW8AASIAw.jpg

also!

@nbcwashington
JUST IN: Bernie Sanders not on D.C. ballot after Dem. party error, sources say nbc4dc.com/UIdwA69

jesus

lotta write-ins

Wouldn't normally post something like this, but I think it's a much better version of that flow chart from a few days ago. (Can't tell if the person who created is a friend of a friend on FB, or if it was picked up somewhere else--anyway, she does say she's made it public.)

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/sayhey1/flow_zpscpggzjd4.jpg

Sorry if it was posted earlier. Need a new thread--this one's too large to check back.

Believe me. No one posted that.

lol

"My position hasn't changed"

Another:

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/us-election-flowchart.jpg

I think the one I posted is a response to that one.

oh good, our conversion into Facebook is complete

lolworthy cat vids coming soon

"Candidate Clarifies Statements on Punishment for Abortions"

...when did "clarify" become a synonym for "revises"?

"let me clarify my statement that I like hitler. i do not like hitler."

Trump doing any kind of a clarification must be a first, though. The backlash must have been immediate and fierce.

he's "clarified" plenty of times, just not quite this fast or thoroughly

lolworthy cat vids coming soon

I rarely post anything from Facebook here, but I did think that flowchart was good. I know ILX isn't like that.

You demanded it: a thread with pictures of cats in it
This one's for ENBB
Infinite Cats... (cats cats cats cats cats cats...)

don't forget The different kinds of tea that cats like