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I wanna be there to see the look on that dude's face when he finds out he's a very minor internet meme.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Good point, roxy!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

At least your only post in the book isn't you trying to replicate the bass line to HOJL in text.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't wanna be in this. Not to be ill-tempered or anything, but I don't, and would prefer to have been asked. Strongly. So, please remove any of mine before selling. Thank you.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"selling"

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

well, or whatever! just 'cause they're public posts doesn't mean I'm ok with them being printed.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparently it has to be a "violent" objection before he takes it down.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I object.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

What I'm trying to say is "punctuate that sentence by kicking him in the nards kthxbye"

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I think this is the thread that means it's time for me to leave ilx. I am seriously bummed out that somebody'd even consider printing the stuff up for distribution.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

...

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

no!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I doubt I posted to any of those threads, but if I did, I object. Actually I object to the idea of reprinting and selling copyrighted material and then afterward asking if anybody minds; I object to that on moral and just plain stupid-or-not grounds; and I also object to what it does to a board like this to have the weird ambient threat that things you say may suddenly be reprinted in some other context, no matter how unappealing-to-anyone-but-ILXors -- especially given how many people with actual public profiles (critics, writers, people in bands) have taken to posting here. (Also I object to any ILX book comp, however morally reprehensible, not including more threads that I posted to: I AM THE STAR OF THIS SHOW EVEN IF I NEVER POST.)

I thought this was the new Excelsior thread, but really it's just dumb!

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Nabisco sums it up. Don't leave, John, that would be sad.

Personally I think Mark, who strikes me as an all right feller in general, made an error in judgment here, and it can and should be righted by simply discontinuing this thing, along with an apology.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

nabisco's concluding point before the parenthesis = why I am no longer gonna post to ilx after this thread

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry mark.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Can we make a deal where you only post to the metal thread, J0hn?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I'm done. A quick search of the archive will reveal that I don't get mad & say I'm leaving or stuff like that, so this is it. PEACE OUT

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I AM QUITTING ILX FOREVER

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Hail and farewell, John. I mean that too. See ya around. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

cafepress makes goatse.cx shirts....

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, it sounds like you anticipated a backlash from the get-go: "Just a bit of fun, so lets be cool" was the first thing you wrote on this thread. While I do find some of the "ILX is my dirty little secret and I don't want my spotless public persona to be sullied by it!" stuff on this thread kinda baffling, you should have asked us first.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

well, fuck.

xxxpost

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I tell my friends about funny stuff I read and saw on ILX from time to time; is anyone else going to stop posting forever because of it? It's "out of context" after all...

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm really, really sad that J0hn is leaving. He's always been one of my favorite posters. Best wishes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I was gonna chime in say the book was a really bad idea, but it looks like the damage has already been done so swiftly and efficiently that there's nothing even remotely concievable I could've done to stop it, so I'm not even sure there's even any point in me complaining.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

this is all really fucking weird.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I am going to pull every Villiage Voice article written by ILXors off of the web and publish it as a book complete with blog excerpts, do you think anyone will mind?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

This blows. J0hn is one of my favs, too. Crap. Crud. Darn. Sigh. Frumble. Gnash.

Hopefully this will result in long and erudite lastplanetoj4k4rta updates like every 15 or 20 minutes. Either that or like a new album every 4 weeks. I mean, he's gonna need an outlet.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont mean to be a jackass or anything. (none of my stuff was printed in there)

but...
what is the problem here? most of you dont even post with real names and people who would buy it would have no idea possible who wrote stuff.
second, if you are using your real name, then you obviously dont care if you are googled. and its much easier to google someone than buy this book... and how many random people are going to spend 18 fucking dollars for an ILX book when they can just read it online?

also, for those who object... would you also object if i printed these threads out and used them for my own amusement? i dont see any difference at all there.

what is the problem here?

if i am a dick or insensitive, tell me.

― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY THE DAMN BOOK.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

TODD SWISS OTM

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I'm selling CDRs of all of Mark's music and photography from his website. I'll post a Cafepress link soon.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

There is a non-negligible difference between writing something to a searchable online forum where you understand that someone might stumble across it but since everything goes back to a database it's only semi-permanent and still "somewhat under your control" and having said posts excerpted into a completely different medium which is then being sold to people (regardless of whether it's intended to turn a profit or not).

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan OTM, of course. I mean really, what is the point?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Todd, I think your points are fair. I actually did print off an ILM thread a long time ago to show to one of my music professors, and I now feel like I have some sort of responsibility to be retroactively guilty about it. Granted, making an actual book and selling it is quite a different matter, but can we really expect the things we write on here never to reach anyone outside "the circle"?

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Clarke, it's an open web forum. Anything is possible.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't wait to show all of my old funny posts that nobody got to my future children. if they do not laugh, I will be very angry.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, why didn't you ask in advance? Seriously?

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.philipkdick.com/covers/valis-jp.jpg

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

But the base price is $17.86. Where's our fourteen cents?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

John D is gone, Jon W is here, and I'm annoyed with that balance.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly, Ned, which is why I am kind of baffled by J0Hn's utter shock that someone would even think to do this. Isn't making a book or anthology out of online writing sort of obvious?

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: Someone stumbling onto a post via Google and referencing it vs Someone copying a thread into a book and selling it

Are you people massively dense or something?

While I'm sorry to see J0hn go, my issue is much less about his departure and much more about the GIGANTIC LEVEL OF STUPIDITY involved in doing something like putting people's copyrighted words into a product and selling it without asking for their consent first.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I understand why people are annoyed with this, but (and I may get struck by lightning for saying thus) I think J0hn might be overreacting a tad. Ned's response upthread seemed a little more reasonable.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post

Not only obvious, but kind of pointless, too, as you say (especially when the only way you can BUY the book is online, but if you have online access in the first place, why do you NEED it? etc etc) -- but is it really a surprise? And why did J0hn seem to take it so personally? I'm extremely upset to see him go, too, FWIW.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Clarke, the shock is not that someone might come up with this idea -- I presume the longer-standing members recall the Da Capo/Strokes conundrum, for instance. The shock is that even the Da Capo folks *asked* first.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Why are people shocked or surprised that J0hn left, particularly since (as nabisco pointed out) he is a public persona who makes a living based on his words who has just had a big chunk of free time excerpted into someone else's commodity?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION should be at the end of my last post)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Because it's only happened once, and he hasn't given Mark the chance to do anything about it. And NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY THE DAMN BOOK.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

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